Logging in the PNW c 1985 Part 3 High Lead Logging
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2018
- This video highlights an example of logging 30+ years ago cutting big timber that is extremely rare these days. The video was done by a family friend on an old VHS recorder so the quality has degraded over time. I am glad to now have them in digital format for better preservation so folks can see how it used to done.
This reminds me of a summer I worked as a chokersetter for Weyerhauser in Coos Bay, Oregon, 1968. It was highlead logging in the Oregon Coastal range. The trees were big like in this video. It took an hour and a half by company bus to get to the work from downtown Coos bay, and an hour and a half back. At the end of the day you were tired! I remember staying at the old Tioga Hotel. Japanese plywood factory ships would come into Coos bay, load up on wood pulp and go three miles offshore to manufacture plywood, then bring them back to Coos bay and sell them to American distributors, thus avoiding US regulations and perhaps some taxes.
Thanks for watching. Not much logging like this anymore. Most all of the big wood is locked up by the USFS. Appreciate the comment.
Is this mark davidson from reedsport..Timber faller..92 miller 205 hydaburg,prince of wales..That was a mouth full.lol
You must have known Buzz Martin.
@@jamesgossweiler1349 It was so long ago I don't remember names. I remember that the manager at the Hotel Tioga was an old coal miner from back east somewhere. Could that have been Buzz Martin? He was a nice guy as I remember.
@@tysonsmudfossiladventures3468You know any of the Brogs? Fallers from Florence.
It's crazy how the size of timber has dropped since 85 until now.
Yep. The days of logging old growth are pretty much over. Won't see wood like like this anymore. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for posting, a great time to be in the woods, big timber and big machinery, love every minute of it.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Not only the big timber and big machinery . There were mostly people who bucked logs and delimbed the logs with their chainsaws . I was born in 84 .
Sizable Logs! 35-40 DBH. The nice thing about Cruising timber that big is often no brush! due to a closed overhead canopy. Getting your heights, & crown heights, can be a bitch only because these trees were so tall. 175’-225’.
ahh the good ole days. Did quite a bit of polocking for big wood out of Port Angeles and Forks. The shotgun was alot of fun too. After the Turn was in the air. It took less than a min to hit the landing. Thanks for video.
Glad you enjoyed it. Not much big wood being logged these days. I worked the rigging in SE AK in the early 70s. Lots of big wood and used Pollack block all the time. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@elwellboy Not sure I remember what a Pollack block was? Thanks!
@@garycima5475 A pollock block (or some called it a grabinski) is a block riding on the haulback and attached to the butt rigging with a short strap to help give the rigging a lift and keep it off the ground. At 1:45 in this video you'll see it as the turn hits the landing. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I think the guy who came up with the idea was named Grabinski, and was Polish. Hence the name Pollock.
brings back memories late 80s just outa high school workin for BandC out of summner wa..logging giants in the green river watershed...great video
Ah Sumner - I used to hang at "The Side" back in the day. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Honest question, did you guys back then ever think that the clear cuts were too much?
I can appreciate it was probably the company trying to maximize profit
I set chokers for bohemia in the 70s and drove log truck in 80s for a gypo I still got an occasional 3 log load then. Logging is alot different now with feller bunchers. Good video, brings back good memories.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Like you, I pulled riggin and tended hook in SE Alaska in the mid 70s. Lots of big wood then. Good memories but can't say I miss pulling kinky 1 1/8" chokers through the brush. haha Thanks for watching and commenting.
I stayed in Camp Lester, and set chokers SCOTT PAPER and remember how at the end of the day wore out, and a little beat up.
I logged in timber like that in 1980. Worked for Joe Zumstein out of Woodland Washington
The 80s was pretty much the last era of big wood in Washington state. Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I live and grew up in the PNW (inland pnw to be exact, n. Idaho) and logging has been on both sides of my family for a few generations. My grandfather had one of the first self loading log trucks in the area, and the state police had seen hus truck around and his name on it (this was 60s or 70s) and a bad car wreck happened one winter where an r.v. had tipped and crushed a small car on l90 and killed everyone in the car. The state police called my gramps to come out at 2 a.m. to thus part of the interstate coming into cda idaho with his self loader and pry the car from under the r.v. My gpa said he saw the dead family when he removed the r.v. it gave him nitemares for years.
Wow. Interesting story. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I was a choker setter and then a chaser on the landing in 1968…just 19, almost killed twice and almost lost my right arm but a fantastic experience! One of my most memorable memories of my younger life! I love the woods to this day!
Yep - Same here - I worked in the this area in the PNW then a couple years at a camp in SE Alaska pulling riggin and tending hook. Good memories but don't miss pulling kinky old 1" chokers. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Super cool vid! Big Timber!!! Much respect from a PNW Ironworker!
Glad you enjoyed it. Don't see much big wood these days. Pretty much all second growth and machine cut and logged. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@elwellboy we still find some.. not worth much though. And hard on equipment
The big trees are often so severely damaged theyre not worth the hassle, triple forked tops, lightning struck with dead tops, cracks, scars, major sweeps, crooks, and lots of piny infestation,… the second growth isn’t even mature being cut on a 30 year rotation. Only a few family companies in Oregon are allowing for a 70 year harvest rotation which means better tighter growth rings, better product. Most industrial farms cut everything once it hits 25-30 years,..Immature trees.
My father logged out in Idaho in 47to 50. They used steam yarders the first year . But still used cross cuts and axes and stay in the logging camp in quarterlein Idaho . (Very dangerous work) liked your Vidio very much .. Still today I’m in logging ( differant know) in northern minn.
Glad you enjoyed it. They don't log big wood like this much anymore. I have another video on my channel you might like "Old Time Logging - Galbraith Brothers History" here is the link to it.
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Thanks for watching and commenting.
Boy Roger, I bet your Dad had some stories!!
Were high leading I'm new zealand this very day.pulling wood with old girl 009 madill .awesome video the woods massive!
Glad you enjoyed the video. That 009 Madill was/is a workhorse. I worked under one in Alaska in the early 70s. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I worked on a lot of 009s.. track always came off when we moved em. Had to use a cone along or haywire to get up back on. After my logging career I spent a summer bicycling round N.Z. saw a few towers on the north island and wondered what they were. Saw some loggers around Turangi when I was cycling. Some young Maori looked at me and my bike coming out of a store with some beer heading to his crew bus. He looked at me and said I should try breaking out..guess that's what you guys call setting chokers. Told em I did it for 15 years in the states lol. Thought about giving er a go again, but I was over 50 and thought might be biting off more than I could chew.
Awesome video, I grew up in Lake McMurray. Arlington wasn’t far.
Glad you enjoyed it. I grew up in Darrington. There are several other logging vids on my channel. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Hey small world I grew up in big lake... I was actually looking thru the comments to see where exactly this was since I saw Arlington wa on the side of the truck.
this is a great video thanks for sharing with us !
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Crazy the hydraulic power the old shovels had to load the big ass timber they had!
That was an early model hydraulic. Today's versions are far more powerful. No real need for a shovel that big anymore as the big wood is pretty scarce these days. Thanks for watching and commenting.
super cool video sure wish i was born about 20 years earler stay safe get logs
Haha - be careful what you wish for - dragging inch and inch 1/8 chokers through the brush was a whole lot different than what’s used today! Thanks for watching
oh yes sir I did get to spend my first couple years logging under a big tower big wood big lines stay safe
Best job I ever had.
Yep. Nothing like it. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Same brother ,I worked 8 seasons here in b.c.
i would have loved to cut that wood and log it great vid 🖒😀
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Big wood is fun.. hard work and slow, like butt riggen.. Bowman pull far and fast, 50 load day average. Everyday. Buncher now, easier on my knees.. fast and busy, always something to cut!! Awesome video 👍 west coast. Peninsula WA
Yep - not much big wood being logged these days. Don't miss pulling those kinked up 1" chokers through the brush though! hahaha - glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The scientific name for a 1 in 40 ft kinked up choker is silver strand of joy and happiness
Polackin under a tower. Been there , dun that for several seasons in S.E. Alaska. Until I could break in cutting.
Seems like even then they were using what we called ( down south safety whistles)
In Southeast it was 1 for stop and 1 for go aheadoner. 2 for skiner back. 3 was go ahead on the haywire. 1 long was slack both main line and haul back. 3 was go ahead easy on the main line.
And on and on and on.
I was never a fan of Koering or Lorain hydraulic log shovels. Very unreliable, wouldn't start in the cold. Just really problematic.
Good vid. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed the video. Where were you in SE? I worked for AW Logging in Corner Bay pulling rigging (across the inlet from Tenakee Springs) in the early/mid 70s. Lots of good/big wood. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Was that Jack Bunch's outfit. ?? I worked at False Is. Quite a bit later. The guy that broke me in falling worked at Corner Bay for quite a while. Don Dayment. He was cutting and booming. I knew a bunch of guys that worked at Corner Bay
Holy shit!! It's a small world. Don Dayment is my brother in law!! He worked for Jack Bunch at Hanus Bay for several years before moving over to Corner Bay which was Al Wittla's outfit. I used to help Don raft logs on the weekends. I'm going to the Deming Logging show in June so might see Don then. I'll be sure to pass along the story. Amazing.
Wow, ya, I'de say that was amazing. I worked with Don in Sitka. I trampled all over Southeast and some in south central AK.
I now live in the interior. If ya see Don, tell him Glen hasn't forgot the 300 bucks he owes him. ;-) . It kind of a joke we have going.
Glen - Another small world story. I was talking with a fella yesterday and telling him about your comment about Dayment breaking you in cutting. He said he knew you and cut timber with you at False Island. His name is Curt Buchanan. We've known each other all our lives. Amazing.
Been a setter and tender for 3 years, and you don't see wood like that anymore.
A rewarding tough job. I haven't been in the rigging since the early 70s in SE AK. Very little big wood in the PNW anymore. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@elwellboy It is rough, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Thanks for the reply.
Keep your head on a swivel and stay out of the bite. Stay safe.@@geradcoder2918
will do@@elwellboy
That wood is massive
Yep - don't see wood like that much anymore. Thanks for watching & commenting.
that's what she said: -p
Got 11 years on the riggin wish i could have done some always had motorized carriages ive pulled some chunks bigger then me up the mckenzie salvaging the burn of 2020 but im only 5,11 haha
Not much timber this size being yarded in Washington these days. Thanks for watching and commenting.
That’s REAL butt riggin!,,,,
Yep heavier butt riggin and chokers needed for the big wood that you don't see much anymore. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Nice punkin, the only thing is getting it to stay in your grapples, but a cable shovell would already have picked it up and have it loaded. Cable shovels are twice as fast as a hydraulic one, and cable is able to lift more too.
Perhaps. This was about the time cable shovels were being phased out and hydraulics were fairly new. No way a cable shovel could keep up with today's hydraulic machines. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Back in the days when you started at daylight and quit at dark, none of this starting at 3 AM and quitting at 6 PM. I also note no drop axles on the trucks.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Drop axles weren't as widely used in the early 80s as they are now. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Neat older video!..I see the truck is out of Arlington,is this in the Oso/Lake Cavenaugh area?My oldest son lives in Darrington and has done some logging,but not big sticks like those!
This video was from a job up in the Circle Creek area out of Darrington in the mid 80s. Not much big wood like this anymore. Thanks for watching and commenting.
If it's darrington it might be Reese my dad worked with them . No logging like that anymore I miss going to the shop with him when I was little and sitting in the trucks these videos are memories all over again .
@@n.e.6560 I worked for Clayton and Anthony in 63 north mountain two for stop three for go, t reece
You probably know my dad Tim Jones, he was a diesel mechanic for recce back in 85 that's the year I was born. . I miss darrington lot of great memories.
@@TR-on9tx R.I.P. Clayton and Anthony, two of the finest human beings ever.
At 3:23 whistle, stop 1 beep, 3 beeps, 3 beeps, go ahead slow, 4 beeps slack the haul back.
Yep
Great video! I was wondering if you could help me verify the identity of one of the fellows-
Glad you enjoyed the video. Which person are you trying to identify? Let me know and I'll see if I know him. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@elwellboy The gentleman in the yellow raincoat. I have a hunch of who I think it might be but want to verify :)
Brandi Montreuil The guy in the yellow rain jacket is Kenny Moses.
@@elwellboy That's exactly who I was thinking it was! This is amazing- I am working on a biography of Mr. Moses and would love to use this footage. Do you think this would be possible?
Looked like western red cedar down in the flat towards the the end and it looked like Doug fir that was being loaded? Anyone tell me for sure? Thank you
This area is virtually all doug fir with some red cedar but mostly fir. They sort out the cedar on the landing and when there is enough for a load it is taken to a different mill that cuts cedar. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@elwellboy No problem. Thank you for your reply. Take care and good luck to you.
Johnny Green hauled off of some sides I worked on
No doubt. These gypo truckers are a great folks and get around to alot of different jobs. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Looks like you need a Madil 075 line loader to lift that log
That would work but not enough big wood like there is in BC to need an 075. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Not this one, our mainline was 3 7/8 in. no pully. Still searching.
hmmm - if you're looking for a tower that ran a 3 7/8' mainline, you won't find it. They don't exist. Even skylines don't approach 3 7/8". I've seen worked under lots of big yarders and never encountered any wire close to that. Good luck. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@elwellboy Biggest skyline I know of was Ernie Nielsen's 2" machine.
@@jimhere1 G&D Logging in Darrington had some amazing skyline shows back in the 80s. I think they had one of the biggest yarders ever made on one side. It was custom built by Berger and if I remember right they had a 250' tower specially built to get additional lift and deflection. Pretty amazing stuff. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You didn't even show the real work done by the chokerdogs, like we did 40 years ago.
Yep - with all the machines very little tower logging these days. The young bucks have no idea what it’s like to drag a kinky 1” or 1 1/8” choker through the brush - like the good ‘ol days!😂. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I agree setting chokers is tough, but felling those bad boys is tough work and skills. My father was a faller for over 40 years and i went up on the job with him a couple times. I must say, its an art form. I got to fall one and set some chokers and drive the skidder one time. Its so much fun.
40 years ago I was never referred to as a Chokerdog but that must be a thing somewhere
@@passin_gas4836 when you have to dig under a large log for the choker quickly, it is kinda doglike especially for a green guy on PWI in SE AK
Bygod that's a loader
Yep but it was struggling a bit to lift that big fir. Thanks for watching and commenting.
July 16 2023 sitting at this spot
Can't add picture
Awesome - I haven't been up that way for quite some time. Thanks for watching and commenting
@@elwellboy I worked for Reece ,this Mike Fink
@@GrizzMountain Hi Mike - How you doing? In case you haven't figured out - Elwellboy = John Broten
@@elwellboy yes I knew that ,wish you could get the tapes of us rigging a tree steve was running the Camara. We used a D6 to hang the rigging it was a hot tree model yarder ran thur it and another tree we that we raised and rigged a BU 80 ran thur it down to the hot tree . That was all up circle cr. Same time the carriage was working
Holy shit you dont see the size of that log until its lifted to go on the trailerp
You don't see wood like that much anymore. The old growth is pretty much all off limits these days. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@elwellboy is the loader keoring or loraine ? I saw people in the comments say koring never made anything with the cab on the left but 1 video pops up if you search keoring log loader and the cab is actually on the left
@@Joelontugs It's been a long time but if I remember correctly - that machine was a Koehring. I believe the reason why log loaders had the cab on the left was to have better visibility to the truck driver when loading. Good discussion. Thanks for commenting.
Reece Bros.?
Yes. Clayton took this and the other Logging/Sawmilling videos on my channel in the mid 80s. Hope you enjoyed them.
@@elwellboy I sure did enjoy them. I lived in Granite Falls during the 80's and 90's. Worked for Munn and Miller Shingle
me and my brother Brian are out in the brush.
@@elwellboy he is missed, one fine cousin and all around fellow
@@TR-on9tx Hi Terry - Clayton was one of the finest men I’ve ever known. Also, your mom was one of my best Sunday school teachers.😂😂 Thanks for watching and commenting.
Old growth logging not much left of it any more.
Yes sir. Rare to see this kind of wood anymore. Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for posting!
If u used a strap it would be on the truck already
Yep - you're probably right but the operator got to play with the log more this way. hahaha Thanks for watching and commenting.
Why aren’t the chasers wearing hi vis?
In the mid 80s Hi Vis wasn't even thought of yet. The closest we got to Hi Vis back then was an orange hard hat. Even today Hi Vis still isn't as common as you'd think in the woods. Most of the truck drivers wear hi vis because the mills require it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Youth is wasted on the young! In 82 on the volcano hi viz was the new guy on the riggin. His tin hat was shiny and wasn’t dented yet!
That feller you mentioned what didn't have a dent in his skid lid yet. Wondering if his name was Norman Newrigging?
Lots of trash in logging operations
There is brush and wood debris left but these areas recover very quickly. Where this was logged is now a healthy stand of mature second growth. Thanks for watching and commenting.