There's a back story to this video that's just as impressive as the Hayes HDX truck that the ride along is shot from. Steve Dryborough (the driver) worked for MacMillan Bloedel when the truck was ordered brand new from the Hayes company in 1975, it is (I believe) the last truck made from Hayes. Steve was the only driver that the truck has seen since new (until this day - see rest of comments). MacMillan was sold off to Weyhauser (not sure on dates) and they were in turn broken up (Canada operation) in due time. The original colours of the truck were M&B red and white. Steve and the truck stayed together through out this period and eventually the truck and Steve were at IPL (Island Pacific Logging) which is the truck colours and logo on the door that you see in this video. Steve has since retired (well deserved) since that time and he was given the truck and trailer by the owner of IPL as a retirement gift. I believe that it is being returned to the glory days colours of M&B on the truck and trailer. So to sum it up - One truck, One driver, One career in logging in the Alberni Valley (BC Canada) and lived to retire. Now that's a pretty unique situation, doing something that you love that's really challenging (and you're good at) for your whole working career in the same place and get to keep the faithful truck that saw you through it all.
@@seabulls69 I think that they came with a variety of engines. I know John the truck builder has a real soft spot for the V12 Detroit Diesel aka Jimmy. But he would put in what ever the buyer wants more or less. As well John ran only manual transmissions (Roadranger) in his fleet of Fat trucks, Hayes & Pacific as well as Kenworth before he ventured into making the Challengers. It's not that he thought that the Allison was a bad transmission, he was going by experience off road where the Roadranger had 2~3 times as many gears which would result in a smaller shock load every time it shifted. The newer engines that are electronically controlled can lug right down but the "back in the day" engines didn't have that luxury so had to keep the rpm up in the power band which means a lot of shifts. He figured that the wear and tear on the rest of the driveline - rear diffs, drive shafts, etc from the Allison was more expensive to operate in the long run. Hence the Roadranger was king, remember that the fat truck loaded with sometimes 100 tons of wood coming down a steep adverse off the setting was nothing like else comparable. I had a rare occasion to see the loggers at work back in the late 70's and I had a profound respect for the whole industry as a whole afterwards. Just like farmers and fishermen, it's a pretty tough way to earn a living IMO.
I still remember my first ride in a BC west coat Pacific logging truck. I was pretty young, but I'd driven big off-road bed trucks and a twin-steer sow in the oil patch in northern Alberta, so I had some experience with oversize/heavy loads. However, the Pacific we were getting into had something not standard on an oilfield bed truck - a honkin' big water tank behind the cab. As I climbed up into the cab, I asked the driver what that, and the "tree" of valves to the left of the driver's seat, were for. I'd already noticed that where you'd normally see a speedometer, there were just 3 big air pressure gauges. He said, "Well son, we fill up the tank, then load up. Just before we start down the mountain, I open those taps. The line from those taps runs right into the truck brakes. By the time we hit the bottom, if we're lucky, we won't have run out of water, and the brakes won't be on fire." At which point I just shut up and hung on. We had about 120 tons of logs on the rig, and the downgrade was 35% in places, to say nothing of the switchbacks and road width. The west coat Hayes and Pacific (and a few KW's) are a very special kind of truck, and require a very special set of skills. Thanks for posting this great video.
Thats sick!!! Im actually looking at switching careers at 46 to get class 1 dream of driving logging trucks around the foothills most places want experience so well see
@@michellecarew7778 Do it. You will have all the job uncertainty and "daily grind" things to deal with, but if you love the work, it's all worth it. Experience is harder to get now. One suggestion I can make is to approach a small operator, or an independent, and sign on as a helper or "swamper" for little or no salary. That's really difficult to do now, but it will get you two things: experience and respect. The days are long, and getting dirty and sore goes with it. So does not knowing the "right" vs. the "wrong" way to do things. You want to learn from a driver who's known by his co-workers to be both skilled and respected. If you go to work as a swamper, it won't be fun most of the time. And for a newbie, it can be dangerous. To drive, you'll need to get a full medical, and if you can swing it, a truck-driving course and exam for a basic Class 1 license with air brake endorsement. That won't get you into a logging truck (I hope) but at least you'll have some of the basics. FWIW, "off-highway" driving has little in common with OTW. Good luck, whatever you do.
A close friend spent his entire working life in the forestry industry of Vancouver Island. Many years as an off road logging truck driver. I once asked him; If he ever became frightened"? He answered; "No, more like really concerned". lol Real men.
Yes sir most have Allison automatics with lock up torque converters, and some of them manuel 18 speed Eaton transmissions. All are offroad severe duty units. They all have planetary drive hubs rated from 90,000-130,000 lbs on the drive axles.
Personally I like to believe as well as think a girl who is willing to do this job is a badass lol. And ontop of that is able to drive ah stick shift on those nasty roads lol is ah absolute winner in my books hands down.
The information is accurate Chad..... If the axles are rated at between 95,000 -130,000 lbs on the drives it does not need a lot of them.... Those bunks are 16 feet wide. The loads are nearly 30 feet tall. The tractors with trailers on them are called "PreLoaders" and weight 100,000 lbs, that's right 50 tons empty. Those ARE NOT highway legal trucks, They are BIG Off-highway units that only work private off-road operations. They have pulled at much as 300 ton loads using triple trailers back in the 70's and 80's. 200 plus tons "net weight" was very common with double trailers.
YOUR RIGHT THOSE "K TRAINS " PULLING ADDITIONAL TRAILERS, DID THAT AS WELL. I SEEN K TRAINS ON THE ISLAND IN 96. THOSE ARE FUCKING NERVE RACKING RIDES. LOOKING OVER A 500M DROP YOUR RIG HAS ONLY 12in CLEARANCE TOTAL, 125 FT LONG FOR THE HIGHER ROADS
I grew up around logging in NW Oregon and N. Calif, my Dad was a logger. These trucks make what I worked around look like toys, even though most of the same risks were there. The loads were smaller to be (mostly) highway legal and the grades not as steep, but I still loved it. Thanks for the video.
That's some awesome video. Thanks for taking the time to record some of this stuff. Good to see there are still a few of the old Hayes HDX and Pacific P16 trucks still around. Makes the logging and trucks around 100 Mile House here look pretty tame.
I worked across from Vancouver Island in the 1970's at logging camps called Namu and Nikite where the smaller trucks like the Mac and Hayes HDX had 12' bunks and would hall 100 tons of woods - the Bigger Trucks P 16 and one camp had a Euclid 85 ton rock truck with 18' logging bunks - huge trucks 150 tons of wood coming out of the bush down hill at a 2-3 per cent grade - Every other truck would stay off the road at pull outs - all were in contact by 2 way radios as these Monsters could not stop - huge water tanks just to keep the brake drums cool - At the dry land sort the logs would be sorted and placed in 8' log bunks - strapped with steel wire and then pushed into the water for the boom boats to push over to the self loading log barges that would go to Asia - Trees like a 5' to 6' yellow cedar that were 40' + long the buyer would pay $8000 for this one log to be made into furniture in Japan - Now , the big trees are left and taken out with large Helicopters like the Sikorsky Sky Cranes - Coulsen Air Crane in Port Alberni also has the MARS WATER BOMBERS that hold around 6000+ gallons of water to dump on Forest Fires - I was a driller / blaster on the Tank Drills in the Good Old Days -
Great video! my former employer did this in 60's and 70's, he has balck and white pics of 1 to 3 log loads like this...those days are truly gone! could you imagine the power and lack of breaking they had back then....extra water tanks on the trucks for water squirters on the breaks.... that's awesome! great vid!
Back in the day,when these trucks ruled the west coast,the three main industries that ran the province of BC's economy were 1.logging 2.Mining and 3.fishing. Not one of these are in the top ten today. It was a much different time then and ways of doing things have progressed as much in 40 years as it did in the previous 40.( from horses to machines) The forest gets replanted. The trucks generally have a V-12,9 speed Allison transmission and planetary drive axles which you can see in the video.They are awesome trucks.
Yes Sir, Some have Cat C-15's at 550-600 hp, Some Signature 600 Cummins, etc. Still some 12-71's around, The Truck that I rode in was the very last Hayes HDX ever built and came with a 12-71, then repowered with a 3408 Cat and finaly a C-15. All have big power, but mainly its the drive hubs and gearing that allow the huge loads. Also, these trucks can have well over 1200-1500 hp in braking power with retarders, and engine brakes..etc. The big logs are Douglas fir and Cedar
This man is right. It's the planetary gear sets in the wheel ends which offer massive reduction for slow speeds and high torque. would think also they have 'clams' or electro hydraulic driveline brakes. Prob water tanks too?? Off highway licensed here I'd say. Respect to those who eat, sh%t, and breathe off highway logging. And the mechanics working on them.
It's too bad that hills and slopes are never really captured on film. I have tried, and it just never looks as bad as it actually is, Great video, I really enjoyed it.
Keep the great video's coming! I've been into logging & logging trucks since about 5 yrs old. Married a Canadian and holy the trucks are huge up there!
I delivered several Western Star's to the Island ten years ago. I used the Black Ball ferry once with a piggyback load. Getting out the starboard bow door was a tension convention !
In the late 80s I used to sit up on the hill over looking the Campbell River and watch these off road beasts cross the hyway. My favourites were the 2 strokes. Sad to see these trees cut down, but if left they’d rot. Things change and nothing stays the same forever. Even without logging these old growth forests would be gone someday. Now I live in Saskatchewan since 2003, and people think I’m nuts when I say how I miss the dampness and rain of the west coast!
when i lived in Victoria I'd heard about some logging trucks they used up north that were so big they couldn't travel on regular roads etc. I couldn't even imagine how big they were....until seeing this video. very cool. thank you!
Nice video Tim, shows a bit of every thing with the heli log in the back ground, road crew and yarding & loading. And a ride in the nicest HDX with the best driver around....priceless. I do miss those days. thanks for posting
Powell River where I grew up had a big M & B operation. Logging was one of the divisions. I had many close encounters with these trucks in the back country, scared the crap out of me. Calling mile markers on the radio was the way. Some of the roads where extremely steep, 20%-30% grade. Canadian Aircrane flying above me with a big log was uncomfortable. M & B also had a pulp, paper and saw mill in Powell River that employed thousands of workers, I was one of them. Mostly shut down now. They also had hydroelectric power, two dams and five generators.
Great footage! My father has been logging in British Columbia for 25 years now operating Skidders, Processors, Log Loaders, Hand falling trees with a chainsaw and now Feller Buncher. Spent many years logging on the coast and Queen Charlotte Islands. This was a regular site to see in those days.
The trucks are all IPL units except the light yellow P-16 Pacific, that one belongs to Bruce Forbes from Port Alberni, he had parked it overnight at Cameron shops after the Hayes 90th truck show. The film was shot down in the Gorge 520 area and the Gorge Mainline takes off the Klanawa Mainline at 13 K
My Dad drove off highway trucks hauling old growth redwood logs for Georgia Pacific at Big Lagoon, Ca. in the 70s. The trucks had a 5 speed transmission and a 4 speed brownie. He said there were butt cut logs so big that they had to split them to haul them on 10’bunks, with “cheese blocks”. They used 988 loaders to load them.
Very interesting and informative through both your video and the accompanying description. Thank you for the care and effort that went into this presentation. Peter, NZ.
I had to buck a few trucks out that were bunk bound. They told me only buck logs on the bunks if the trucker asks. Mist of the time I'm like "you want that bucked? No. Sure enough their stuck on a corner. Log bound up on the headache rack. You climb up there to cut it off, everything moves when you cut it off. Your 20 feet up in the air, there's a 100 feet drop below, and the truck teetering on the edge. Pretty freaky. I fell off a truck one time, I landed on my feet on the road and miraculously didn't get hurt. I was checking myself for injuries the rest of the day. I couldn't believe It lived. It was a lot of fun. Worked hard and played hard. Those of were younger days.
We really enjoyed video did not know much about Hayes trucks.We have Peterbilt trucks with 1693 cat Kmodel cummis Bmodel 3406 and 3408 and E model cats with 5 and 6x4 transmissions 1241D oux
My boss here in Nova Scotia has a picture of one of these Hayes trucks up on his wall, said it was a gift from his coworkers in Campbell River BC, he said they only give them out to people they like, the other guy in the office that worked in Campbell River doesn't have one on his wall haha.
This looks like my home territory near Bamfield, BC and the dryland sort would be in Sarita, which is on the ocean. I grew up driving with these monsters on the road, very few accidents compared to highway trucks. I myself have had very close calls with them, especially coming around a narrow corner with one in front of you, you learn evasive driving very quickly. I just got my Class 1 and am hoping to drive one of these guys. They do own the road, the entire community of Bamfield BC and Pachena Bay BC share the road to Port Alberni with these trucks !!
I shot it myself on a trip this summer. I went to Port Alberni for the Hayes Trucks 90th anniversery, and after the show weekend I was able to go for a day in the big off-road trucks. This is only a small edit from the video footage.
The humongous HAYES HDX and WHDX PACIFIC P12 P16 and KENWORTH 850 off highway logging trucks. When the vehicles could be rebuilt and not thrown away in a trash bin! AUTOCAR Trucks AP19 model was comparable in size used primarily as a prime mover and off highway dump 40 to 50 tons.The other big trucks from the USA were CLINE Trucks built as 40 to 50 tons dump or prime movers. HENDRICKSON also built some big prime movers as did OSHKOSH Trucks.
Pussy tree huggers 😭 about trees dying off !! It might take awhile for a tree grow up to a mature size . But they always grow back and new plant life will also grow back ! It’s called out with the old and in with the new !!! It’s called timber harvesting , just let those tree huggers live on the street lol
I DROVE 1 OF THESE (THE OLD CHAIN DRIVE) ON THE ISLAND BOTH IN PORT ALBERNI AND CHEMANIUS FOR YEARS I DRANK HEAVY AFTER ON MY OFF TIME .I DON'T DRINK ANYMORE SINCE QUITTING THAT JOB AND COMBAT 23 YEARS USMC. I GREW UP ON OLD MAN MACMILLAN'S AEROSMITH FARM ON THE ISLAND
It's been UA few yrs but I'm UA logger n SE Ohio n always wondered what UA cutter makes ./!/? I cut trim top skid buck load n haul . Can't get any help no one will do hard manual labor n I'm to darn old to dive n n buy a processer n prehauler .
now we see what real truck drivins all about.we haul coal round here in some pretty hairy spots, but nuthin like 120 ton on mountains like that.wonder if the haul road ace jack jesse could par up in a hayes???? i doubt it. one hell of a video. thanx
Sorry, Yep, Steve sent me the correct info today...I only knew it was the"gorge" area and that light yellow P-16 is Bruce Forbes truck "View Lake Logging"... Forgive me, Its my first time posting anything on RUclips... figuring out these comments and such, anyway I'm sure glad you guys enjoy the footage. I might make a second one here soon, I have lots of DVD to use.
In the 70s Warehouser had 12 ft wide KW with water cooled brakes hauling logs off Mt St Helens just below Sprit lake. I was working in that area and we would meet those trucks coming down hill, looked a lot like this video.
Nice video Tim. However, I've come down close to 30% switch backs in some spots North Island, and some 30% stuff in the mid and north coast. It is a thrill to drive those trucks that's for sure. Off shore is the best, you don't have to play "dodge the tourist"! when you're loaded.
Kyle Olsen What about the mushroom pickers who have just as much fun playing dodge the logging trucks. I for one enjoy playing chicken every mushroom season but still monitor radio frequencies as a precaution.
Those trucks belong to Island Pacific Logging. IPL is the main logging contractor for WFP at Franklin River. Many are ex MacBlo/Hayes Forest Service.IPL bought them and most have been in Franklin River since new. I guess still quite a lot of Old Growth in those mountians... they are way up there now, long hauls.
There was a fleet of Macks on the Coast too, most at Husby, I recall my apprenticeship at Canfor we tried one, it was SR# 2, the final park after a wash and fuel up before returning to dealer I took the ID plate off the LH door, the back was autographed with the crew who built it, wish I'd of hung onto it, it was early 70s.
Back years ago when Western Star was building trucks in Kelowna BC, before FL got involved, everybody who worked on the unit stamped their initials into the frame rails. They also produced logging trucks for a the “interior “ market
@@John-u3v9i yes the good days, still the heavier haul trucks in BC are WS, Alberta has a KW shop that does the custom stuff, WS looses alot of sales being gone from BC.
You've just got to have it in your blood to be there! Love them HDX. They are brute muscle for a Logging crew! Stay safe brothers and sisters! It's a great day if you made a load and went home to the family!
This sure brings back a lot of memories.... all the way back to 1967, and most of those memories are bad. In my early twenties I spent most of my working life in those logging camps on Vancouver Island and I hated every minute of it. But, hey, it's all I knew how to do. You do what you have to do. It was either that or become a pot-smoking hippie, and I wasn't about to do that.
I was walking south on the west side of the Royston trestle near the old Island hwy when i came across an old tree stump so huge i am sure the one tree would have barely fit on these trucks...Following the old logging road led me to an ancient fire truck in decent shape with wooden spokes etc.
Memories ! Drove smaller hi-way rigs for years in the Squamish Pemberton areas. best job in the world for me. Cept for tourists trying to get up a switchback with their honda civics. Thanks for this video. (I now live on the island and visit the Woss area a lot )
Spent a few years bucking in the landing on the Charlotte's in the 90s. We wood load up 8 to 10 of the big fat trucks a day. I wood burns 2 1/2 gallon can of saw gas per day, running an 066 with a 36 inch bar. The first time a caught ride down the hill to get the pickup it was very scary, your going around corners and all you see is the sky. Fun stuff.
didn't end up hauling in logging, even though I was surrounded by it in Quesnel in the 70's eh Instead I ran ARROW Ore out of Princeton via the Belgie and copper creek roads 18-20% with switch backs. grades on track only a truck and a bit wide. Tri drive super B trains small loads at 50 ton/ 10 ton over weight permit for the highway run to Kinder Morgan. Wish I'd stayed up north and in the bush though. That was big trucking
They look like WFP trucks. I retired from the industry 12 years ago but i remember Franklin being Mac&Blo country mostly. I was a contract faller for 25 years. I asked a driver in Fanny Bay (not the one on the island, the one at Alice Arm, Cox Logging) if he ever had to jump out of one of those.. He said "no but I have had the door open"
Nice video. I sure miss logging. I used to pull supertrains through some pretty crazy stuff, logging the Pennask, Douglas Lake Ranch, Merritt....miss those days. :-(
Derek Frigon I grew up in a logging family (well over 100 years in Oregon) due to the environmentalists and their cries for the Spotted Owl, I couldn't buy a job when I graduated high school in 1991, so I joined the Navy, did 20 years in that and now work in the oil industry in North Dakota..
Love the big trucks, I'm only curious why they don't have additional axles on the trucks and trailers for reduced ground pressure, those are not small loads.
very cool trucks in my area only have a max pay load around 50-60 ton yet we use modified highway trucks with 6-7 axles on truck and 5-4 on trailer but what is the normal horsepower in those trucks because you guys run manly downhill with a load and back up hill empty in may area most trucks have a horse power between 625-to around 1,300 with a bulldozer engine hooked up to a highway truck 13 speed transmission
Tim, said it all above... You half to have 10 lb Ball's to drive one of those things..180 Tons ??? That weights more than my 2 story house including the concrete, 4 car garage with all four cars ?? How about that Pilot flying the dragonfly , he has 15 Lb nuts...I think i will just stay here in Texas..
I was born in Upper Michigan so this must have been kinda what it looked like when the big pine were being logged..I remember seeing a property list for a county and saw Boeing owning many acres of land....well, soon this will maybe be covered with jack pine, eh?
awesome... all that to make picnic table s ...(joking). Excellent filming thanks. Allison automatic with lock up converter or a Clark? We had a electric "telma brake" on our Demag 200 ton crane from Germany would slow down stop rig on steepist hills using electric alternator on drive shaft no Jake brake needed.
I was wondering what engines are in the trucks in the vid? It is almost impossible to tell from the sound, but I know they used the big stuff like Cummins K19, Cat 3408 and 3412 and 12V71 GMs. Those trucks would be extremely hairy to drive with such a high centre of gravity. I reckon if you missed a gear or dropped out of gear the brakes wouldn't hold you...maybe that's why the one in the vid had an auto.
In answer to citetez,in my opinion in my point of view as a truck s driver,the pick-up should,should be on the left,since the weight of the truck with bad weather,may cause loosening of the hilla su paso.
Both Hayes and Pacific, along with the few Challengers, were built for Vancouver Island logging first and foremost.... Kenworth was realy the only competition. Hayes and Pacific trucks were and still are THE off-highway logging trucks on the Island by far.Neither is still built new, but they seem to be able to rebuild them for eternity.
And originally Western Star out of Kelowna BC built logging trucks for the interior, whoever worked on each unit stamped their initials on the frame rails. Sadly those days are long gone...
the size of the loads towering above the semis are ridiculous.no drop axles or rear lift axles..and the interior of those awesome off vrosd rigs is as basic and bare as possible.the passager seat is a bench i believe!
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There's a back story to this video that's just as impressive as the Hayes HDX truck that the ride along is shot from. Steve Dryborough (the driver) worked for MacMillan Bloedel when the truck was ordered brand new from the Hayes company in 1975, it is (I believe) the last truck made from Hayes. Steve was the only driver that the truck has seen since new (until this day - see rest of comments). MacMillan was sold off to Weyhauser (not sure on dates) and they were in turn broken up (Canada operation) in due time. The original colours of the truck were M&B red and white. Steve and the truck stayed together through out this period and eventually the truck and Steve were at IPL (Island Pacific Logging) which is the truck colours and logo on the door that you see in this video. Steve has since retired (well deserved) since that time and he was given the truck and trailer by the owner of IPL as a retirement gift. I believe that it is being returned to the glory days colours of M&B on the truck and trailer. So to sum it up - One truck, One driver, One career in logging in the Alberni Valley (BC Canada) and lived to retire. Now that's a pretty unique situation, doing something that you love that's really challenging (and you're good at) for your whole working career in the same place and get to keep the faithful truck that saw you through it all.
Now that's a beautiful story , thanks for sharing
Great and amazing story! I've always loved V.I. The best
Weren't these powered by the 1150CI Cummins KTA600 engines?
@@seabulls69 I think that they came with a variety of engines. I know John the truck builder has a real soft spot for the V12 Detroit Diesel aka Jimmy. But he would put in what ever the buyer wants more or less. As well John ran only manual transmissions (Roadranger) in his fleet of Fat trucks, Hayes & Pacific as well as Kenworth before he ventured into making the Challengers. It's not that he thought that the Allison was a bad transmission, he was going by experience off road where the Roadranger had 2~3 times as many gears which would result in a smaller shock load every time it shifted. The newer engines that are electronically controlled can lug right down but the "back in the day" engines didn't have that luxury so had to keep the rpm up in the power band which means a lot of shifts. He figured that the wear and tear on the rest of the driveline - rear diffs, drive shafts, etc from the Allison was more expensive to operate in the long run. Hence the Roadranger was king, remember that the fat truck loaded with sometimes 100 tons of wood coming down a steep adverse off the setting was nothing like else comparable. I had a rare occasion to see the loggers at work back in the late 70's and I had a profound respect for the whole industry as a whole afterwards. Just like farmers and fishermen, it's a pretty tough way to earn a living IMO.
@@SuperRede4uI don't think the Engine itself is called that. It was the little GMC Trucks when I was a kid that had the nickname Screaming Jimmy. 🤘🏻
I still remember my first ride in a BC west coat Pacific logging truck. I was pretty young, but I'd driven big off-road bed trucks and a twin-steer sow in the oil patch in northern Alberta, so I had some experience with oversize/heavy loads. However, the Pacific we were getting into had something not standard on an oilfield bed truck - a honkin' big water tank behind the cab. As I climbed up into the cab, I asked the driver what that, and the "tree" of valves to the left of the driver's seat, were for. I'd already noticed that where you'd normally see a speedometer, there were just 3 big air pressure gauges. He said, "Well son, we fill up the tank, then load up. Just before we start down the mountain, I open those taps. The line from those taps runs right into the truck brakes. By the time we hit the bottom, if we're lucky, we won't have run out of water, and the brakes won't be on fire." At which point I just shut up and hung on. We had about 120 tons of logs on the rig, and the downgrade was 35% in places, to say nothing of the switchbacks and road width. The west coat Hayes and Pacific (and a few KW's) are a very special kind of truck, and require a very special set of skills. Thanks for posting this great video.
Awesome!
Thats sick!!!
Im actually looking at switching careers at 46 to get class 1 dream of driving logging trucks around the foothills most places want experience so well see
@@michellecarew7778 Do it. You will have all the job uncertainty and "daily grind" things to deal with, but if you love the work, it's all worth it. Experience is harder to get now. One suggestion I can make is to approach a small operator, or an independent, and sign on as a helper or "swamper" for little or no salary. That's really difficult to do now, but it will get you two things: experience and respect. The days are long, and getting dirty and sore goes with it. So does not knowing the "right" vs. the "wrong" way to do things. You want to learn from a driver who's known by his co-workers to be both skilled and respected. If you go to work as a swamper, it won't be fun most of the time. And for a newbie, it can be dangerous. To drive, you'll need to get a full medical, and if you can swing it, a truck-driving course and exam for a basic Class 1 license with air brake endorsement. That won't get you into a logging truck (I hope) but at least you'll have some of the basics. FWIW, "off-highway" driving has little in common with OTW. Good luck, whatever you do.
@@michellecarew7778 oh man i wanna drive those, how much expirence would you say one would need?
Oh wow. Learned alot from this comment. Thank you
The whistle, low grunt, slow speed and additional cooling with the lack of engine covers! Not an easy drive guys. Respect.
A close friend spent his entire working life in the forestry industry of Vancouver Island. Many years as an off road logging truck driver. I once asked him; If he ever became frightened"? He answered; "No, more like really concerned". lol Real men.
+Rain Coast Hours and hours of pure boredom, interrupted by moments of shere terror. LoL
So Canadian. Lol
I did my working years on the BC Coast, we used to say " The only easy thing in logging is, getting hurt or killed". Saw my share of both.
Yes sir most have Allison automatics with lock up torque converters, and some of them manuel 18 speed Eaton transmissions. All are offroad severe duty units. They all have planetary drive hubs rated from 90,000-130,000 lbs on the drive axles.
Any chance of a catch up vid on the truck please sir
Pacific P16's, Hayes HDX's, and big wood. It doesn't get any more West Coast than this. Thanks for the great video.
Jillian Thompson how does a women know about these sorts of trucks Just curious Cheers from Australia
Logging in the west coast is a family tradition embraced not just by men. But by the entire family. Theres alot of women who drive log truck.
Personally I like to believe as well as think a girl who is willing to do this job is a badass lol.
And ontop of that is able to drive ah stick shift on those nasty roads lol is ah absolute winner in my books hands down.
The information is accurate Chad..... If the axles are rated at between 95,000 -130,000 lbs on the drives it does not need a lot of them.... Those bunks are 16 feet wide. The loads are nearly 30 feet tall. The tractors with trailers on them are called "PreLoaders" and weight 100,000 lbs, that's right 50 tons empty. Those ARE NOT highway legal trucks, They are BIG Off-highway units that only work private off-road operations. They have pulled at much as 300 ton loads using triple trailers back in the 70's and 80's. 200 plus tons "net weight" was very common with double trailers.
will this work under my c3 corvette??
YOUR RIGHT THOSE "K TRAINS " PULLING ADDITIONAL TRAILERS, DID THAT AS WELL. I SEEN K TRAINS ON THE ISLAND IN 96. THOSE ARE FUCKING NERVE RACKING RIDES. LOOKING OVER A 500M DROP YOUR RIG HAS ONLY 12in CLEARANCE TOTAL, 125 FT LONG FOR THE HIGHER ROADS
HEAVY DUTY SOBS.
I grew up around logging in NW Oregon and N. Calif, my Dad was a logger. These trucks make what I worked around look like toys, even though most of the same risks were there. The loads were smaller to be (mostly) highway legal and the grades not as steep, but I still loved it. Thanks for the video.
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This is absolutely the best logging video I have ever seen, hands down. Thanks.
That's some awesome video. Thanks for taking the time to record some of this stuff. Good to see there are still a few of the old Hayes HDX and Pacific P16 trucks still around. Makes the logging and trucks around 100 Mile House here look pretty tame.
Tame N Deed ! Where should we have our next drink ?
I worked across from Vancouver Island in the 1970's at logging camps called Namu and Nikite where the smaller trucks
like the Mac and Hayes HDX had 12' bunks and would hall 100 tons of woods - the Bigger Trucks P 16 and one camp
had a Euclid 85 ton rock truck with 18' logging bunks - huge trucks 150 tons of wood coming out of the bush down hill
at a 2-3 per cent grade - Every other truck would stay off the road at pull outs - all were in contact by 2 way radios
as these Monsters could not stop - huge water tanks just to keep the brake drums cool - At the dry land sort the logs
would be sorted and placed in 8' log bunks - strapped with steel wire and then pushed into the water for the boom boats
to push over to the self loading log barges that would go to Asia - Trees like a 5' to 6' yellow cedar that were 40' + long
the buyer would pay $8000 for this one log to be made into furniture in Japan - Now , the big trees are left and taken
out with large Helicopters like the Sikorsky Sky Cranes - Coulsen Air Crane in Port Alberni also has the MARS WATER
BOMBERS that hold around 6000+ gallons of water to dump on Forest Fires - I was a driller / blaster on the Tank
Drills in the Good Old Days -
Great video! my former employer did this in 60's and 70's, he has balck and white pics of 1 to 3 log loads like this...those days are truly gone! could you imagine the power and lack of breaking they had back then....extra water tanks on the trucks for water squirters on the breaks.... that's awesome! great vid!
Back in the day,when these trucks ruled the west coast,the three main industries that ran the province of BC's economy were 1.logging 2.Mining and 3.fishing. Not one of these are in the top ten today.
It was a much different time then and ways of doing things have progressed as much in 40 years as it did in the previous 40.( from horses to machines)
The forest gets replanted.
The trucks generally have a V-12,9 speed Allison transmission and planetary drive axles which you can see in the video.They are awesome trucks.
Brain wash ecologist kill the canadian économy with false affirmation and lie ....
I have drove that truck out there fully loaded it was definitely a life changing experience
Fully loaded? Like, drunk?! 😳
Yes Sir, Some have Cat C-15's at 550-600 hp, Some Signature 600 Cummins, etc. Still some 12-71's around, The Truck that I rode in was the very last Hayes HDX ever built and came with a 12-71, then repowered with a 3408 Cat and finaly a C-15. All have big power, but mainly its the drive hubs and gearing that allow the huge loads. Also, these trucks can have well over 1200-1500 hp in braking power with retarders, and engine brakes..etc.
The big logs are Douglas fir and Cedar
This man is right. It's the planetary gear sets in the wheel ends which offer massive reduction for slow speeds and high torque. would think also they have 'clams' or electro hydraulic driveline brakes. Prob water tanks too?? Off highway licensed here I'd say. Respect to those who eat, sh%t, and breathe off highway logging. And the mechanics working on them.
It's too bad that hills and slopes are never really captured on film. I have tried, and it just never looks as bad as it actually is,
Great video, I really enjoyed it.
So true
Keep the great video's coming! I've been into logging & logging trucks since about 5 yrs old. Married a Canadian and holy the trucks are huge up there!
I delivered several Western Star's to the Island ten years ago. I used the Black Ball ferry once with a piggyback load. Getting out the starboard bow door was a tension convention !
In the late 80s I used to sit up on the hill over looking the Campbell River and watch these off road beasts cross the hyway. My favourites were the 2 strokes. Sad to see these trees cut down, but if left they’d rot. Things change and nothing stays the same forever. Even without logging these old growth forests would be gone someday. Now I live in Saskatchewan since 2003, and people think I’m nuts when I say how I miss the dampness and rain of the west coast!
Me too! My dad worked for Macmillan bloedel (Menzies division) late 80s early 90s also miss the screaming v12 2 strokes.
when i lived in Victoria I'd heard about some logging trucks they used up north that were so big they couldn't travel on regular roads etc. I couldn't even imagine how big they were....until seeing this video. very cool. thank you!
Got this in my recommended and instantly saw the P16. Thanks snowrunner
Nice video Tim, shows a bit of every thing with the heli log in the back ground, road crew and yarding & loading. And a ride in the nicest HDX with the best driver around....priceless. I do miss those days. thanks for posting
Powell River where I grew up had a big M & B operation. Logging was one of the divisions. I had many close encounters with these trucks in the back country, scared the crap out of me. Calling mile markers on the radio was the way. Some of the roads where extremely steep, 20%-30% grade. Canadian Aircrane flying above me with a big log was uncomfortable. M & B also had a pulp, paper and saw mill in Powell River that employed thousands of workers, I was one of them. Mostly shut down now. They also had hydroelectric power, two dams and five generators.
Thanks for the video l grew up on the island love the equipment became a HD mech after some time in the rigging to get warmed up.
remember butlers had those around sooke when i was a kid..great stuff makes my western star look like a hotwheels
Great footage! My father has been logging in British Columbia for 25 years now operating Skidders, Processors, Log Loaders, Hand falling trees with a chainsaw and now Feller Buncher. Spent many years logging on the coast and Queen Charlotte Islands. This was a regular site to see in those days.
The trucks are all IPL units except the light yellow P-16 Pacific, that one belongs to Bruce Forbes from Port Alberni, he had parked it overnight at Cameron shops after the Hayes 90th truck show. The film was shot down in the Gorge 520 area and the Gorge Mainline takes off the Klanawa Mainline at 13 K
My Dad drove off highway trucks hauling old growth redwood logs for Georgia Pacific at Big Lagoon, Ca. in the 70s. The trucks had a 5 speed transmission and a 4 speed brownie. He said there were butt cut logs so big that they had to split them to haul them on 10’bunks, with “cheese blocks”. They used 988 loaders to load them.
Very interesting and informative through both your video and the accompanying description. Thank you for the care and effort that went into this presentation. Peter, NZ.
Phenomenal - loved the onboard shots
I had to buck a few trucks out that were bunk bound. They told me only buck logs on the bunks if the trucker asks. Mist of the time I'm like "you want that bucked? No. Sure enough their stuck on a corner. Log bound up on the headache rack. You climb up there to cut it off, everything moves when you cut it off. Your 20 feet up in the air, there's a 100 feet drop below, and the truck teetering on the edge. Pretty freaky. I fell off a truck one time, I landed on my feet on the road and miraculously didn't get hurt. I was checking myself for injuries the rest of the day. I couldn't believe It lived. It was a lot of fun. Worked hard and played hard. Those of were younger days.
We really enjoyed video did not know much about Hayes trucks.We have Peterbilt trucks with 1693 cat Kmodel cummis Bmodel 3406 and 3408 and E model cats with 5 and 6x4 transmissions 1241D oux
My boss here in Nova Scotia has a picture of one of these Hayes trucks up on his wall, said it was a gift from his coworkers in Campbell River BC, he said they only give them out to people they like, the other guy in the office that worked in Campbell River doesn't have one on his wall haha.
This looks like my home territory near Bamfield, BC and the dryland sort would be in Sarita, which is on the ocean. I grew up driving with these monsters on the road, very few accidents compared to highway trucks. I myself have had very close calls with them, especially coming around a narrow corner with one in front of you, you learn evasive driving very quickly. I just got my Class 1 and am hoping to drive one of these guys. They do own the road, the entire community of Bamfield BC and Pachena Bay BC share the road to Port Alberni with these trucks !!
I shot it myself on a trip this summer. I went to Port Alberni for the Hayes Trucks 90th anniversery, and after the show weekend I was able to go for a day in the big off-road trucks. This is only a small edit from the video footage.
The humongous HAYES HDX and WHDX PACIFIC P12 P16 and KENWORTH 850 off highway logging trucks. When the vehicles could be rebuilt and not thrown away in a trash bin! AUTOCAR Trucks AP19 model was comparable in size used primarily as a prime mover and off highway dump 40 to 50 tons.The other big trucks from the USA were CLINE Trucks built as 40 to 50 tons dump or prime movers. HENDRICKSON also built some big prime movers as did OSHKOSH Trucks.
Great video, I love to see this kind of stuff. I'm a retired driver but my driving never came close to this kind of work. Love it.
why so many dislike ? , such nice video ! i love it !
Pussy tree huggers 😭 about trees dying off !! It might take awhile for a tree grow up to a mature size . But they always grow back and new plant life will also grow back ! It’s called out with the old and in with the new !!! It’s called timber harvesting , just let those tree huggers live on the street lol
Ignorant city dwelling lefties.
Tree hugging pussies
Trudeau supporters!
the last video from the cabine of the Pacific P16 is Fenomenal , Keep going the good video like thsi.
Great video Tim. I still need to work on my Hayes show videos as well as my days on the jump seat in November. Thanks for posting these.
Absolutely love these trucks would like to see a upto date vid to see how many are still running and logging in this fleet
I DROVE 1 OF THESE (THE OLD CHAIN DRIVE) ON THE ISLAND BOTH IN PORT ALBERNI AND CHEMANIUS FOR YEARS I DRANK HEAVY AFTER ON MY OFF TIME .I DON'T DRINK ANYMORE SINCE QUITTING THAT JOB AND COMBAT 23 YEARS USMC. I GREW UP ON OLD MAN MACMILLAN'S AEROSMITH FARM ON THE ISLAND
Thank You for your military service Sir.
Glad for your sake you quite the drink!
Awesome !! I was passenger on a Hayes for a few trips at Juskatla Div. on the Queen Charlottes around 14 yrs ago !! Wish I could do it again ...
Thanks for the reply. It's good to see people still working.
IPL "Island Pacific Logging" owns that equipment, they are the main contractor at Franklin River for WFP
It's been UA few yrs but I'm UA logger n SE Ohio n always wondered what UA cutter makes ./!/? I cut trim top skid buck load n haul . Can't get any help no one will do hard manual labor n I'm to darn old to dive n n buy a processer n prehauler .
Man, we dont see loads like that in Washington. Or trucks like that, anymore. My dad drove off hiway triples for Crown Zellerbach in the 70s.
Thanks for showing a very good and accurate video. Brian from southern Ontario.
now we see what real truck drivins all about.we haul coal round here in some pretty hairy spots, but nuthin like 120 ton on mountains like that.wonder if the haul road ace jack jesse could par up in a hayes???? i doubt it. one hell of a video. thanx
Sorry, Yep, Steve sent me the correct info today...I only knew it was the"gorge" area and that light yellow P-16 is Bruce Forbes truck "View Lake Logging"... Forgive me, Its my first time posting anything on RUclips... figuring out these comments and such, anyway I'm sure glad you guys enjoy the footage. I might make a second one here soon, I have lots of DVD to use.
Great video!! Like the clip of the ride along down the mountain.
WOW,nerves of steel.I would think twice about driving down that road on a dry day.
In the 70s Warehouser had 12 ft wide KW with water cooled brakes hauling logs off Mt St Helens just below Sprit lake. I was working in that area and we would meet those trucks coming down hill, looked a lot like this video.
Excellent film material - excellent information! Thanks a lot for posting.
Sweet video western and H&D I live on the north island so see them every day but it is always good to see VI logging on the internet
Nice video Tim. However, I've come down close to 30% switch backs in some spots North Island, and some 30% stuff in the mid and north coast. It is a thrill to drive those trucks that's for sure. Off shore is the best, you don't have to play "dodge the tourist"! when you're loaded.
Kyle Olsen What about the mushroom pickers who have just as much fun playing dodge the logging trucks. I for one enjoy playing chicken every mushroom season but still monitor radio frequencies as a precaution.
Those trucks belong to Island Pacific Logging. IPL is the main logging contractor for WFP at Franklin River. Many are ex MacBlo/Hayes Forest Service.IPL bought them and most have been in Franklin River since new.
I guess still quite a lot of Old Growth in those mountians... they are way up there now, long hauls.
There was a fleet of Macks on the Coast too, most at Husby, I recall my apprenticeship at Canfor we tried one, it was SR# 2, the final park after a wash and fuel up before returning to dealer I took the ID plate off the LH door, the back was autographed with the crew who built it, wish I'd of hung onto it, it was early 70s.
Back years ago when Western Star was building trucks in Kelowna BC, before FL got involved, everybody who worked on the unit stamped their initials into the frame rails. They also produced logging trucks for a the “interior “ market
@@John-u3v9i yes the good days, still the heavier haul trucks in BC are WS, Alberta has a KW shop that does the custom stuff, WS looses alot of sales being gone from BC.
Just fascinating❤️
You've just got to have it in your blood to be there! Love them HDX. They are brute muscle for a Logging crew! Stay safe brothers and sisters! It's a great day if you made a load and went home to the family!
Famlies no doubt cousins and inlaws
Looks pretty fkn cool tho
This sure brings back a lot of memories.... all the way back to 1967, and most of those memories are bad. In my early twenties I spent most of my working life in those logging camps on Vancouver Island and I hated every minute of it. But, hey, it's all I knew how to do. You do what you have to do. It was either that or become a pot-smoking hippie, and I wasn't about to do that.
Wow. You did a really stellar job. I hope you can make some more videos some day.
Wow, incredible footage, I appreciate this post, very interesting. I thought the drive shaft was going to explode on 17:00 up hill section. Thanks
I found this video cause of the game snowrunner were the beast pacific p16 is in. awesome video
I was walking south on the west side of the Royston trestle near the old Island hwy when i came across an old tree stump so huge i am sure the one tree would have barely fit on these trucks...Following the old logging road led me to an ancient fire truck in decent shape with wooden spokes etc.
Memories ! Drove smaller hi-way rigs for years in the Squamish Pemberton areas. best job in the world for me. Cept for tourists trying to get up a switchback with their honda civics.
Thanks for this video. (I now live on the island and visit the Woss area a lot )
cool trucks. those grades look killer
Spent a few years bucking in the landing on the Charlotte's in the 90s. We wood load up 8 to 10 of the big fat trucks a day. I wood burns 2 1/2 gallon can of saw gas per day, running an 066 with a 36 inch bar. The first time a caught ride down the hill to get the pickup it was very scary, your going around corners and all you see is the sky. Fun stuff.
didn't end up hauling in logging, even though I was surrounded by it in Quesnel in the 70's eh Instead I ran ARROW Ore out of Princeton via the Belgie and copper creek roads 18-20% with switch backs. grades on track only a truck and a bit wide. Tri drive super B trains small loads at 50 ton/ 10 ton over weight permit for the highway run to Kinder Morgan. Wish I'd stayed up north and in the bush though. That was big trucking
They look like WFP trucks. I retired from the industry 12 years ago but i remember Franklin being Mac&Blo country mostly. I was a contract faller for 25 years. I asked a driver in Fanny Bay (not the one on the island, the one at Alice Arm, Cox Logging) if he ever had to jump out of one of those.. He said "no but I have had the door open"
Great Video, thank you for sharing !
That's a hell of a pull after leaving the loader, huh! Awesome
when you spent most of your working life in the VI logging industry this does not look "extreme" it looks "normal"
Nice video. I sure miss logging.
I used to pull supertrains through some pretty crazy stuff, logging the Pennask, Douglas Lake Ranch, Merritt....miss those days. :-(
Better be fast on the stick with an 18 speed.
Derek Frigon I grew up in a logging family (well over 100 years in Oregon) due to the environmentalists and their cries for the Spotted Owl, I couldn't buy a job when I graduated high school in 1991, so I joined the Navy, did 20 years in that and now work in the oil industry in North Dakota..
Great photo,s. Mostly being replaced by Highway trucks now.
Too bad you couldn't have filmed this on the day it didn't rain there.
(Islanders will get the joke)
Love the big trucks, I'm only curious why they don't have additional axles on the trucks and trailers for reduced ground pressure, those are not small loads.
Wowza! HUGE trucks! Awesome video. I didn't even know these existed. Thanks :D
Great video, big island timber! Is Steve from Sooke? I cut firewood with a fellow named Steve who looks just like him who was a logger.
I worked 25 years for MacMillian Bloedel at Eve River Div. Fat trucks were King
This just reminds me of home! I grew up in Cumberland.
I love how those trucks look so goofy at first glance, with their tiny cabins. And then I realised those are regular sized cabins
they allways said that vancouver island was home to giants, and yeah there rite. Home of the pacific logging trucks not bigfoot
very cool trucks in my area only have a max pay load around 50-60 ton yet we use modified highway trucks with 6-7 axles on truck and 5-4 on trailer but what is the normal horsepower in those trucks because you guys run manly downhill with a load and back up hill empty in may area most trucks have a horse power between 625-to around 1,300 with a bulldozer engine hooked up to a highway truck 13 speed transmission
Tim, said it all above... You half to have 10 lb Ball's to drive one of those things..180 Tons ???
That weights more than my 2 story house including the concrete, 4 car garage with all four cars ??
How about that Pilot flying the dragonfly , he has 15 Lb nuts...I think i will just stay here in Texas..
180 tons on narrow, muddy 20% downgrades is EXTREME, beleve me.
Balls of Titanium are a minimum requirement !
i have a question
Oh we do!!
20% Those must have been the "winter shows"
I was born in Upper Michigan so this must have been kinda what it looked like when the big pine were being logged..I remember seeing a property list for a county and saw Boeing owning many acres of land....well, soon this will maybe be covered with jack pine, eh?
Impressive trucks & loads. Brave drivers.
these drivers know what to do, no speed freaks here, just slow and steady and get her off the mountain safely.
Well, if a person was only going to upload one video - this would be it. Well done.
Great Video, Excellant trucking,If you don`t cut it down, it will fall down.
Makes room for more tree`s.
Wow How do they manage to pull those huge loads? Amazing.
engine have nothing but torque.
LOTS of gear reduction
awesome...
all that to make picnic table s ...(joking).
Excellent filming thanks.
Allison automatic with lock up converter or a Clark?
We had a electric "telma brake" on our Demag 200 ton crane from Germany would slow down stop rig on steepist hills using electric alternator on drive shaft no Jake brake needed.
Those trucks are awesome I would love to drive one!!!! I have been a garbage man for 20 yrs I thought I have seen everything !!! I was wrong lol cool
I wonder if the CVG fir lumber I used for millwork in our house came off the island and rode on one of these...
I was wondering what engines are in the trucks in the vid? It is almost impossible to tell from the sound, but I know they used the big stuff like Cummins K19, Cat 3408 and 3412 and 12V71 GMs.
Those trucks would be extremely hairy to drive with such a high centre of gravity. I reckon if you missed a gear or dropped out of gear the brakes wouldn't hold you...maybe that's why the one in the vid had an auto.
Yes that was filmed at the Franklin River area just outside Port Alberni.
In answer to citetez,in my opinion in my point of view as a truck s driver,the pick-up should,should be on the left,since the weight of the truck with bad weather,may cause loosening of the hilla su paso.
Both Hayes and Pacific, along with the few Challengers, were built for Vancouver Island logging first and foremost.... Kenworth was realy the only competition. Hayes and Pacific trucks were and still are THE off-highway logging trucks on the Island by far.Neither is still built new, but they seem to be able to rebuild them for eternity.
And originally Western Star out of Kelowna BC built logging trucks for the interior, whoever worked on each unit stamped their initials on the frame rails. Sadly those days are long gone...
Whoa! Ergonomics. Looks like a tough day in one of those things
the size of the loads towering above the semis are ridiculous.no drop axles or rear lift axles..and the interior of those awesome off vrosd rigs is as basic and bare as possible.the passager seat is a bench i believe!
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