The year is 2040. All cars are electric. There is no need for a grille at all anymore. BMW simply cannot cope. They pivot and become a barbecue manufacturer. Weber is their primary competitor. They each fight for display space at Home Depot. I choose the Weber because it’s still naturally aspirated.
lmao, ikr! It’s kinda funny because recently i’ve been watching FilmRiot and they look familiar and I got confused. They didn’t just read the facts off a page
As a young person still in there 20’s these are the best looking BMW’s I’ve seen since I was born to this earth I LOVE THIS DESIGN SO FAR...it’s the grill for me everybody’s gonna wanna analyze that especially the newer it is
Remember when in an episode of Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson said “this is the best angle” for a Porsche Panamera when The Stig drove it out of sight? Yeah... you know where I’m going with this
@@tonicipriani That is true. This is pretty much the same engine as the twin turbo in the E90/92 Gen. I remember when that came out in 08 there was a magazine that asked which would you buy, M3 or Challenger SRT....the BM got many votes, ask that question now......Not so sure anymore. I'd take the Challenger SRT over the M4 version of this, and that Challenger hasn't changed much design wise. That being said there will always be the BMW fanboys.
I love how he says it's "Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde". That's literally how I described my M340i. The car has this amazing dual personality. If you run it in ECO PRO or Comfort, it is very relaxing and efficient. If you put it into Sport (+), the car comes alive and is ready to play ball. It's fantastic!
@@amadexi china is only like 4-5% bigger than the euro market according to statistica. So euro/NA markets bigger than their asia one. Unless they think they can grow massively in china. Personally I think they just messed up.
@@pinchers1 Your RS6 has an even bigger grill than the BMW, but since that design is now ten years old, everyone's fogetten how much they disliked the Audi grill when it first came out. 😉. RS6 is a very nice car, btw. 😉👍🏻😀
Re: Your intros\videos I literally eagerly wait for new posts for: 1. The genuinely funny as F intros. 2. The amazing flow and chemistry you two have.. 3. The quality of the reviews. 4. Driving in the same locales and tracks I do. Thank you for this channel, your great content and being the excellent people you are.
"For the cooling"? The Supra's vents aren't even real, how can they even say that? It's just a "my grill's bigger than yours" thing. It's like duct taping a salami stick to your thigh. No one believes you and it just looks ridiculous.
@@detaart I don't get this reason either. The rich Chinese who can afford luxury cars overwhelmingly prefer being chauffeur driven. BMW and Merc even make extra long wheelbase versions of their loewr model cars to cater for them. Coupes like this 4 series won't sell well there.
@@lmythreya As a Chinese guy living in Canada, I can confirm that. Also, there are so many memes in China about the "beaver teeth" grill. No one likes it.
@@lmythreya LWB cars are preferred because today many Chinese families have only one car (some in the large cities have 2) for the entire family (with children+parents=7-8ppl) so space is a big factor for them in car shopping. people usually don't buy vans in china for personal use so LWB sedans and SUVs are popular. and I yeah 4 series doesn't sell well in China and I don't think anyone likes this grill there at all LOL
@@benbabcock3818 well BMW is finally changing their design boss and demoting that guy to RR so here’s to hoping for a decent looking Bimmer in the next few years. Z4 and 8 series are the only attractive models to date
I feel sorry for BMW's grille designer because he is trying his best to get fired but the execs still love his work. It's like the Seinfeld episode where George is trying to get fired by the Yankees but keeps failing at failing.
It'll be okay. The new M8 Alpina will make up for it. duckduckgo.com/?q=cars+with+huge+front+grills&t=chromentp&atb=v160-1&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fstarecat.com%2Fcontent%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fnew-bmw-cars-front-grille-larger-huge-whole-front-photoshopped.jpg
Why though? The grille looks pretty good, reminiscent of older models with vertical grilles. Also, compared to many modern cars the actual grille is reasonable sized, especially compared to its siblings X7 and 7er,its basically a small square with some side intakes.
The back from B pillar onwards also reminds me of the last gen Accord Coupe. If anything, the Accord Coupe had the Hofmeister kink and this doesn’t!! 🤣
My friend literally just ordered Toyota Yaris (not kidding) GR instead of M2... Light, fun, manual.... way cheaper. At first i was like... wtf, but it really makes sense.
Dude who designed it is the lead designer of BMW... lol, he recently got promoted from designing only M-division cars to be the lead designer of all BMWs.
The worst part isn’t even the grille it’s the lack of hoffmeister kink and sharp body line going down the side. They need to bring back the 3 series coupe, don’t change anything just shorter, lighter and two doors.
My problem with this car's exterior is not the grill. It's the rest. The car does not look distinctive enough on its own. Merge the grill together, and the car becomes a Genesis. Merge and reduce the grilll, and it becomes an Infiniti. Merge and shape the grill into a triangle and it becomes an Alfa. Everything from the front/tail lights, to the mirrors and windows follows a set design trend plaguing multiple big brands. The car is not recognisable as a BMW, unless people look at the badge or the grill. And that, to me, is a flawed design.
I love that front end, I've had 4 bmws and loved them. Actually had the brand new at the time 335i coupe 2007 (the first time they came out with 3.0 twin turbo). I love this grill, i think it makes the car look a lot more expensive and sophisticated
Test drove this car 3 times and it is nothing but awesome. Drove the Audi S5 and the MB E350 coupes and there is no comparison. Looks are subjective and happen tho think it has a great body style including the new grille...which gives it a more aggressive look. People don't like change and most of those people are the older ones like your parents or grandparents. So give it a try and I'm sure you will agree.
So the three M levels are full M cars like the M4, then there are M Performance models like the M440i which aren't full M cars but still developed by M division, and finally M Sport which is just a trim level available across different regular engine options and generally includes the M Performance bodykit plus any Sport options like suspension/seats etc. All gets a bit confusing considering how many cars have M somwhere in the their name, not to mention the fact you can add further M Performance packs to all 3 levels. Audi probably does it a bit better with RS4, S4 and A4 S-line etc.
@F m hey guy who's replying to every comment that pretty much everyone in the comment section is making about the grille looking like absolute dogshit, how's it feel to be the one person in the entire universe that apparently likes that grille?
I didnt like it either but the moment I saw the new M4 in person I kinda changed my opinion. Im still not the biggest fan but I dont think its bad either. Very bold move by BMW but I think the criticism will decline as soon as we see a lot of these on the road.
@@jamierietkerk1796 I could see BMW potentially having a hard time doing good units with these. The grille is very controversial, many people are appalled by it. Coupes in general are dying out, and the A5 simply looks better.
My only criticism is that I want more! Longer, more frequent uploads, every day preferably. Quality content that far surpasses any rival channels. Absolutely love it. Massive thanks to the whole throttle house team.
@@danielanthony6141 It just reminded me of my own comment on some video few years ago. I wasn't doing anything at that time and just wasting time on YT. I still do that sometimes but Now Most of my time is used in my job that I love. Sorry if I sounded rude.
How much does bmw gives you to respond to every comment that says that this is an UGLY car? Except if you have some weird, fanatic mental disorder and you find it preety. Keep your opinion for yourself troll
"I'm getting used to it" No I'm not. It's appalling, hideous, unsightly, outrageously ugly from the front. Nobody in his right mind should purchase the new bmw models with this grill. Competitive alternatives from audi and mercedes exist and those simply look better. The face of the bmw is something you're going to have to explain to people. You show them your new car and instead of going "yeah thats nice" they're going to ask you what is up with the front and you're going to be explaining that you're aware that you bought the ugliest sport coupe on earth "but its a bmw and it drives really good." Nobody should bother with that. Buy a competitor and be proud of your car instead of permanently conflicted
I mean, there are people with taste that will like this car and people who want it especially because it looks like nothing else combined with nice performance, this will sell even better than the outgoing M4 xD
@Ryan R. Definitely subjective. That said there is some merit if the prevailing feeling is that the car is ugly. Remember the Fiat Multipla, how many people called that beautiful? Do you know a single person? I don't. As a Merc enthusiast, I hate to admit that Audi seem to be the only german that are hitting the styling thing correctly almost every time.
First time watching this channel but going through old videos and seeing the rapid evolution since you two paired up is unreal. Great dynamic, absolute top gear nostalgia feel and you're Canadian which is a bonus. Cheers from Quebec
BMW has made many cars that people called ugly but now look back and say "it was the best looking car of its time". Now I hope we never say that about the new 4 Series.
In what reality has this happened? Cars made by BMW that people called ugly were the crap made under Bangle with that pathetic "flame design"... ...and it still holds true.
People did say this about the e60 back when they came out, but I mirror your thoughts about, I hope we don't have to say that about this car. BMW shareholders have pushed them looking for more profits, and thats in the less sport, more luxury market hence the lexus-esk grill
@F m you just copied the same comment everywhere mate. Like is BMW paying you or what? The consensus is that the car is ugly, why are you so committed to laughing at people who think that? Literally every other BMW is good looking just not this one. I don’t know a single person that likes it.
@F m Bro everyone hates the grille, you're clearly some basement dwelling bmw fanboy that can't accept that it's the worst grille design in the history of cars. You look like a dumbass and you need to stop.
@@baller7387 WTF ... I like the grill... I was gonna buy the 340i but then this comes out. . IT S A FUCKING BEAST ! AND I LOVE IT ! You don t have to buy it! I will!
@@noobontour3167 nah you can still make cars that are lightweight while still passing noise, safety and emissions regulations. Look at the MX-5 for example. Problem is car companies don't want to make them.
Been watching you guys for a long time at this point - you've always had great camera work and music, but it's amazing to see how much more.... studio-quality esque this is. The voiceovers have even more soul, the camera cutaways and angles add a whole new layer of sight, the chemistry between ya'll has gotten even better, etc. It's really cool, congrats! Also is it just me or was Thomas frustrated with this BMW? Less than the M230, but still frustrated
@@atarvhegde5210 The Chris Bangle 7-series hasn't, so I'd venture a guess that this won't go down as a classic the way the shark nosed BMW's have. It's a shame too, because the rest of the car is very well proportioned. Lets hope the incoming two series doesn't follow this design language in front. Let's also hope it is available with a manual transmission. God help them if it's FWD.
Also James don’t let Thomas bully you about billy Joel. I’m 17 and last year I went to his concert and I literally was the youngest person there, but it was awesome
Man, ya’ll think the grill is really THAT bad?! I dig the redesign. The whole fleet has had the same idea of the kidney grill. Kudos for trying sometime different. Bottom line. The car’s worth the money. Great review. Driving edits were awesome!
@@hogdog567 no, I'm not allowed to drive, my dad is a Mercedes guy. I'm personally a bit of a Porsche fan girl. But I really think it looks nothing like a Toyota, Kia, Nissan, Hyundai or something like that. I'm pretty into car design, since it's the thing I want to do later in life and this car is throughout german by design. Very angular, architectural and menacing. Typical for Audi, Mercedes and BMW.
@F m plenty of people can afford a 4 series. If your primary purpose in buying an ugly car is to show people that you can afford to buy an ugly car, well then you deserve the ugly car.
No. A coupe literally means “cut”, and that applies to the roof. A lowered roof height. You can have four door coupes - Mercedes and VW make them - but they are more commonly two-door models, as the whole point is to make a more stylish car. A two-door starting point is an advantage over a more utilitarian sedan as the doors can be longer and the B and C pillars can be moved back. Add a fastback roofline and a pillarless hardtop, and you get a very low, smooth and all-of-one-piece look.
@@luapark3068 Actually coupe comes from the french word couper which means to cutt which can refer to either cutting the two rear doors off or cutting the slope of the roof so nothing to be sweating about lol. also bmw calls their x4 and x6 suv coupes as well ;)
The year is 2040. All cars are electric. There is no need for a grille at all anymore. BMW simply cannot cope. They pivot and become a barbecue manufacturer. Weber is their primary competitor. They each fight for display space at Home Depot. I choose the Weber because it’s still naturally aspirated.
😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
No they just put fake plastic grilles on their e cars
Haha
👏👏👏
You win the internet today
Guys can we just appreciate these guys sense of humour and how well they integrate that into a car review.
Really growing.
lmao, ikr! It’s kinda funny because recently i’ve been watching FilmRiot and they look familiar and I got confused. They didn’t just read the facts off a page
They're annoying AF
spot on!!! I just watch all the intros just for fun. More creative and funnier than some of the comedy dedicated channels
No I'm just here to compare to straight pipes and don't see any better. Can't figure out why they would have more viewers and subs
The guy who is going sell de-uglified bumpers for theese is going to be filthy rich.
Probably the same guys who sell a redesigned front end for the hideous Vantage
Doug will probably give it a styling score of a `9`, just because he gets a auto orgasm from anything german.
Most of these cars will be leased.The buyer after the lease is over will be beset by maintenance problems not style problems
Prior design already Produce them
Prior Design puts a design out soon
As a young person still in there 20’s these are the best looking BMW’s I’ve seen since I was born to this earth I LOVE THIS DESIGN SO FAR...it’s the grill for me everybody’s gonna wanna analyze that especially the newer it is
BMW really need to start drugtesting of their designers.
But i like my designers high when their making cars
I second this
While I'm not fond of the design I appreciate the fact that they're experimenting with different designs.
...or just hire back the Italians.
tbh its starting to grow on me. I'm starting to like the styling a lot, especially without the plate holder
"A face that only a mother could love" lol!
This car is what anti vaccinate people think happen when they vaccinate their kids
Fuck that, this would have gone into care.
@@rtorbs I would have flushed it down the shitter.
@Green Mills Oh but it was that funny.
Remember when in an episode of Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson said “this is the best angle” for a Porsche Panamera when The Stig drove it out of sight?
Yeah... you know where I’m going with this
I can't wait for some actual Grand Tour episodes where they rip this apart.
@@davenz000 you do realize there won't be no more Grand Tour episodes as you know it? Only one-off adventures
@F m Yeah, he can tell himself that while he waits for parts for his engine out service.
I'd take that fact to my heart lol
@@dougrobinson8602 and to drop and engine in a ferrari is really only 3-6 hours depending. Its not horrible. Ive assisted on a few.
Great works dudes.
Those front buck teeth are indeed scary.
fuck,those are buckteeth aren't they
I always thought it looked more like a pig nose but that might be more accurate 😂😂😂😂
@@jeremiahbeck7440 I thought it reminded me of a butt on a photocopier?
Helga's gotten heavier and now she needs a DENTIST !!!
FORZA ALFA BABY !!!
THE KING IS BACK !!!
And selling scarily well. Good!
"I feel it in my butt"
Thomas Holland, 2020
@F m 69/100 which places it right in the middle
@@car-enthusiast3141 it's beautiful
i've looked at these comments for five hours now
I dunno sounded gay for me... LoL
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Quote of the year!!
Everyone “bmw grils are too big and ugly”
Bmw: “let’s make the grill even bigger and uglier”
What was BMW thinking
The Big Sniff !
I mean it doesn’t look too bad
Is not going to age well like fine wine that lung grill
You know what they say: instead of "look, what grill my car has!", now we say "look what car my grill has"!
They say it's for cooling?! Half the grill's already fake
It did sound weird. It's not like the same engine in the previous-gen needed that?
@@tonicipriani That is true. This is pretty much the same engine as the twin turbo in the E90/92 Gen. I remember when that came out in 08 there was a magazine that asked which would you buy, M3 or Challenger SRT....the BM got many votes, ask that question now......Not so sure anymore. I'd take the Challenger SRT over the M4 version of this, and that Challenger hasn't changed much design wise. That being said there will always be the BMW fanboys.
@@irfanr1120 You mean F3x? E9x had the N55, not the B58. These engines came along with the F3x LCI.
@@tonicipriani That is why I said "pretty much the same" and not the same engine.
I love how he says it's "Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde". That's literally how I described my M340i. The car has this amazing dual personality. If you run it in ECO PRO or Comfort, it is very relaxing and efficient. If you put it into Sport (+), the car comes alive and is ready to play ball. It's fantastic!
"The face that only a mother could love".
Didn’t they have focus groups to get feedback? Or was the design department all high on hand sanitizer? How did this thing ever go into production.
They were high on something worse than hand sanitizer like cocaine
The chinese market wanted a bigger grill. And since it's the biggest market by far, they obeyed.
@@amadexi china is only like 4-5% bigger than the euro market according to statistica. So euro/NA markets bigger than their asia one. Unless they think they can grow massively in china. Personally I think they just messed up.
@@amadexi no Chinese like that grill tho
Car looks good to me
"ItS fOr ThE CoOlInG"
>3/4 of the grill is blocked off.
😅🤣
i thought the leaks were pranks but omg wish they were pranks
With European license plates it's even more blocked
"Its for the bigger engines"
Uses same engine as before.
robisfantastic lmfao true
Me: Louder exhaust in sport mode?
Engineer: Yes so you don't hear the people laughing at the grill when you fly by.
my rs6 wont have that problem hehehehe bless!!
Ahhhhh haaaaa
its fake itunes sound playing through the car speakers its not coming from the exhaust. the car is both fake and ugly
Oh well said
@@pinchers1 Your RS6 has an even bigger grill than the BMW, but since that design is now ten years old, everyone's fogetten how much they disliked the Audi grill when it first came out. 😉. RS6 is a very nice car, btw. 😉👍🏻😀
Everybody laughed at Chris Bangle back in the mid 2000's.
Now Chris is laughing back.
WTF was BMW thinking?!?
I want Chris back he atleast has some taste
His designs were big butt ugly too.
@@djbrianc no they aren’t
@@yes8032 yes. They were.
@@djbrianc atleast Chris is better than the new designer
Re: Your intros\videos
I literally eagerly wait for new posts for:
1. The genuinely funny as F intros.
2. The amazing flow and chemistry you two have..
3. The quality of the reviews.
4. Driving in the same locales and tracks I do.
Thank you for this channel, your great content and being the excellent people you are.
The sound of this thing is Epic. Closest to the oldskool greatest hit of the E92 M3
"For the cooling"? The Supra's vents aren't even real, how can they even say that? It's just a "my grill's bigger than yours" thing. It's like duct taping a salami stick to your thigh. No one believes you and it just looks ridiculous.
It's for the chinese market, plain and simple. They like humongous grills for some reason.
@@detaart I don't get this reason either. The rich Chinese who can afford luxury cars overwhelmingly prefer being chauffeur driven. BMW and Merc even make extra long wheelbase versions of their loewr model cars to cater for them. Coupes like this 4 series won't sell well there.
@@lmythreya As a Chinese guy living in Canada, I can confirm that. Also, there are so many memes in China about the "beaver teeth" grill. No one likes it.
"duct taping a salami stick to your thigh" 💀💀
@@lmythreya LWB cars are preferred because today many Chinese families have only one car (some in the large cities have 2) for the entire family (with children+parents=7-8ppl) so space is a big factor for them in car shopping. people usually don't buy vans in china for personal use so LWB sedans and SUVs are popular. and I yeah 4 series doesn't sell well in China and I don't think anyone likes this grill there at all LOL
3 years later and this grill has grown on me I love it
Nope
Not a single bit. Still looks so bad I would absolutely say no for the whole car just because of THAT front look.
I liked it from the start. Can't see why people don't like it.
I've determined the normal 4 series grill looks stupid, but the M3 & M4 grills look violent and aggressive with their depth, which I like
@@benbabcock3818 well BMW is finally changing their design boss and demoting that guy to RR so here’s to hoping for a decent looking Bimmer in the next few years. Z4 and 8 series are the only attractive models to date
BMW: “What the hell man? The sale numbers of the new M3/4 are terrible!!”
BMW Designer: “......COVID! Those goddddamn COVID ruined everything!!!”
Meanwhile BMW Fans:
Well, just improve the grill , and put a more responsive steering and your sales will improve by 300%
@@atarvhegde5210
BMW Owners: Just start over, it looks like shit.
@@atarvhegde5210 and then bmw goes: hmhmm grill to small we need MORE GRILL
The beaver-teeth grill of this car overshadows everything else about this car.
it's the same kidney grille except they have tumours now
The gauge cluster is more hideous than the grill tbh.
@@hyperion9658 yo momma
Nope. It's fine.
@@LegendInThaMakin Nope it's fine.
I feel sorry for BMW's grille designer because he is trying his best to get fired but the execs still love his work. It's like the Seinfeld episode where George is trying to get fired by the Yankees but keeps failing at failing.
Great analysis!
It'll be okay. The new M8 Alpina will make up for it.
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Why though? The grille looks pretty good, reminiscent of older models with vertical grilles. Also, compared to many modern cars the actual grille is reasonable sized, especially compared to its siblings X7 and 7er,its basically a small square with some side intakes.
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Exactly! I actually like the way it looks.
@@danielr9708 yea it's basically a modern CSL 3.0
Everyone is talking about the monster grill, but the thing looks like a 2013 Infinity G37 coupe from the A pillar back.
True. It’s so rounded back there, no real lines.
I might even like the grill if the rest of the design didn’t look like crap. They gave it a brutish grille but it looks dainty from the a pillar back
The back from B pillar onwards also reminds me of the last gen Accord Coupe. If anything, the Accord Coupe had the Hofmeister kink and this doesn’t!! 🤣
Oh yeah no wonder it looks familiar
Im really hoping that the grill doesn’t grow on me, literally
It will grow on you... like Athlete's Foot
I think i will
I think it's actually ok on the M4 and M3, but on the standard models and on this one, it looks just terrible
@@matteiasm.3618 agreed
Man, all around the car looks gorgeous, but my God that grill it’s ugly as fuck!
"Ultimate is a hard earned superlative after all"
words never rang truer.
Oh, I'm sry. May I point out how you conveniently omitted 14:02 ''and while the M440i is unquestionably good'' ?
Mmm?
Bigger, heavier, and less engaging to drive, I wish the grill was the only problem with modern BMW.
Unfortunately thats where cars are headed nowadays. Only handful of cars are driver oriented now.
My friend literally just ordered Toyota Yaris (not kidding) GR instead of M2... Light, fun, manual.... way cheaper. At first i was like... wtf, but it really makes sense.
@@maXXik1337 u should b kidding. A fucking Yaris?!?👌🏻😂
@@chraaaa23 you don't really know what a gr yaris is do you? Look up some reviews on it then come back here to this comment section
@@maXXik1337 Ah the benefits of no mass...
“A face that only a mother could love”😭😭
look at bmw from 1936
Takes one to know one 😔
“I designed that BMW grille.” Admitted by no one.
Dude who designed it is the lead designer of BMW... lol, he recently got promoted from designing only M-division cars to be the lead designer of all BMWs.
@@TheGamingNorwegian and he should be, he know how to design the front end and I'm not being sarcastic. that front end is NICE!
It looks like a poor Chinese copy of a BMW.
hahaha, really hilarious, they really ruined it
@@TheGamingNorwegian Who this guy truly is, is a maniac.
The worst part isn’t even the grille it’s the lack of hoffmeister kink and sharp body line going down the side. They need to bring back the 3 series coupe, don’t change anything just shorter, lighter and two doors.
They have to concentrate to the cars that made them successful
Um...no the hideous looking grill is far the worst part
Bro the 3er coupe has never been smaller than the sedan
You've described the 2 series basically.
@@mustafazeytin4801 yeah we know, and the E46 design made everyone want a BMW. It’s gotten progressively worse since then.
NO WAYS!!!! YOU ARE THE FIRST TO REVIEW THIS CAR OUT OF THE CAR CHANNELS I WATCH!!!!
I drove that car yesterday. It is such a monster
My problem with this car's exterior is not the grill. It's the rest. The car does not look distinctive enough on its own.
Merge the grill together, and the car becomes a Genesis.
Merge and reduce the grilll, and it becomes an Infiniti.
Merge and shape the grill into a triangle and it becomes an Alfa.
Everything from the front/tail lights, to the mirrors and windows follows a set design trend plaguing multiple big brands. The car is not recognisable as a BMW, unless people look at the badge or the grill. And that, to me, is a flawed design.
James got me with the “road sign guy on his last day” LOL
The only car who's front facia fully deserves to be on a Halloween special
I love that front end, I've had 4 bmws and loved them. Actually had the brand new at the time 335i coupe 2007 (the first time they came out with 3.0 twin turbo). I love this grill, i think it makes the car look a lot more expensive and sophisticated
@Buzz Lightyear honestly, they can share the throne
@Buzz Lightyear what i meant to say is the S type is second only in looks to the Ferrari 458🤌🏾
@@alizierny i can honestly say I would love to be able to look at that car through your eyes bc from over here I'd rather buy a used Ford Pinto
@@immanuelo.9548 I'll see you in your pinto driving the new m4 ;)
The grill is ahead of its time. It makes the car look like it came from the future. Kudos to BMW for being that bold. I like it.
News flash, there are no grills in the future (EV you know?)
Massive props to you guys for shooting in the rain
The intros Alone are worth a million let alone the content!!!
A face not even a mother can love.
😂😂
Mother puts baby up for adoption.
@@ericd.4460 "Pretty ugly. Can probably do the dishes for you in a number of years. Entertaining all offers."
Test drove this car 3 times and it is nothing but awesome. Drove the Audi S5 and the MB E350 coupes and there is no comparison. Looks are subjective and happen tho think it has a great body style including the new grille...which gives it a more aggressive look.
People don't like change and most of those people are the older ones like your parents or grandparents. So give it a try and I'm sure you will agree.
BMW: Okay so let's make the perfect car
Mechanical Engineers: Got it
Electrical Engineers: No problem
Designer: haha pencil go brrr
Except the engineers all overdid it as much as the designers did.
The best compliment I can pay this episode, and you guys, is it reminded me of the original UK Top Gear
Ugh, that grille looks like someone bent over and pressed their butt cheeks against the front end. Ruins an otherwise nice-looking car.
Lmao the Ham slice grill
At least they have a nice BMW roundel tramp stamp.....
Yeah BMW have gone off the rails this year with their grilles :(
Just purchased one today and I’m in love!!🖤
When the April Fools prank accidentally makes it into production.
I thought this was called an M Performance BMW, not an M-Sport BMW. M-Sport I thought was just the styling kit for models like the 28i / 30i
2 different types
Your profile picture exactly describes the grill of this car
So the three M levels are full M cars like the M4, then there are M Performance models like the M440i which aren't full M cars but still developed by M division, and finally M Sport which is just a trim level available across different regular engine options and generally includes the M Performance bodykit plus any Sport options like suspension/seats etc.
All gets a bit confusing considering how many cars have M somwhere in the their name, not to mention the fact you can add further M Performance packs to all 3 levels.
Audi probably does it a bit better with RS4, S4 and A4 S-line etc.
@@AlexConnor_ it's kind of the same thing tho...
M4 = RS5 = C63 AMG
M440i = S5 = C43 AMG
430i M Sport = A5 S-Line = C300 AMG Sport (Night Pkg)
430i = A5 = C300
@@a_s_g_z replace "440i" with "430i" and you're good to go
"With a face that only a mother could love". Nice.
In this case I'm not that sure 🤔😏
Totally it looks borderline ridiculous.
Finally there is a car journalist who was honest about the grill
Still dont like the grill...
@F m You've got some sort of fetish for this grille haven't you?
Only reason you'd be so incapable of accepting criticism about it. 😂
@F m hey you little son of a bench, how much were you paid to like this grill
@F m hey guy who's replying to every comment that pretty much everyone in the comment section is making about the grille looking like absolute dogshit, how's it feel to be the one person in the entire universe that apparently likes that grille?
I didnt like it either but the moment I saw the new M4 in person I kinda changed my opinion. Im still not the biggest fan but I dont think its bad either. Very bold move by BMW but I think the criticism will decline as soon as we see a lot of these on the road.
@@jamierietkerk1796 I could see BMW potentially having a hard time doing good units with these. The grille is very controversial, many people are appalled by it. Coupes in general are dying out, and the A5 simply looks better.
My only criticism is that I want more! Longer, more frequent uploads, every day preferably. Quality content that far surpasses any rival channels. Absolutely love it. Massive thanks to the whole throttle house team.
Yes, they are very, very good. 👍🏻
I think they tremendously enjoy doing them. That's worth it's weight over volume.
Get a life dude, once you get excess of something....you get bored of it.
@@arpit5317 not a sincere criticism. Just giving some high praise. But yes, I clearly need to get a life for that pathetic comment...
@@danielanthony6141 It just reminded me of my own comment on some video few years ago.
I wasn't doing anything at that time and just wasting time on YT. I still do that sometimes but Now Most of my time is used in my job that I love. Sorry if I sounded rude.
You’re watching thrattle house
T: Aymm Tamas
J: And oyhm Jehmz
You guys are bollers😛 love the content
"a face that only a mother could love" that hits really hard...
The front end was designed during Halloween
Facts
Facts
@F m Nice!
During April 1st
How much does bmw gives you to respond to every comment that says that this is an UGLY car? Except if you have some weird, fanatic mental disorder and you find it preety.
Keep your opinion for yourself troll
A classic case of kidney failure.
This requires more likes
loud vehement agreement! Totaly underrated comment!
enlarged kidney
"I'm getting used to it" No I'm not. It's appalling, hideous, unsightly, outrageously ugly from the front. Nobody in his right mind should purchase the new bmw models with this grill. Competitive alternatives from audi and mercedes exist and those simply look better.
The face of the bmw is something you're going to have to explain to people. You show them your new car and instead of going "yeah thats nice" they're going to ask you what is up with the front and you're going to be explaining that you're aware that you bought the ugliest sport coupe on earth "but its a bmw and it drives really good."
Nobody should bother with that. Buy a competitor and be proud of your car instead of permanently conflicted
I mean... i don’t mind it
I mean, there are people with taste that will like this car and people who want it especially because it looks like nothing else combined with nice performance, this will sell even better than the outgoing M4 xD
The current Mercs look so good as well as the 2021 Genesis G70. No way I would buy this. I don't care how it drives. I will still be seen in it 🤮
imo it looks awesome. And the m3 and the m4 are just insane!
@Ryan R. Definitely subjective. That said there is some merit if the prevailing feeling is that the car is ugly.
Remember the Fiat Multipla, how many people called that beautiful? Do you know a single person? I don't.
As a Merc enthusiast, I hate to admit that Audi seem to be the only german that are hitting the styling thing correctly almost every time.
I use to hate the front grill...but in the right color it has really grown on me.
First time watching this channel but going through old videos and seeing the rapid evolution since you two paired up is unreal.
Great dynamic, absolute top gear nostalgia feel and you're Canadian which is a bonus. Cheers from Quebec
I guess it is now called liver grill
Or lungs
Lung grills are more accurate
maybe more like giant ass-print grill?
BMW has made many cars that people called ugly but now look back and say "it was the best looking car of its time". Now I hope we never say that about the new 4 Series.
In what reality has this happened?
Cars made by BMW that people called ugly were the crap made under Bangle with that pathetic "flame design"...
...and it still holds true.
For me only E60 comes to mind
People did say this about the e60 back when they came out, but I mirror your thoughts about, I hope we don't have to say that about this car. BMW shareholders have pushed them looking for more profits, and thats in the less sport, more luxury market hence the lexus-esk grill
The cuts on the speedometer when the car was revving were bang on. Very good video.
What a shame.
I would never want to look back at this car after I got out of it....
I'd start running
I have never seen a vehicle so deserving of a Covid-19 mask.
well played.. though I think the aesthetic will wear well over time
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmaoooo true
😂😂
You mean "The Ugliest 4-Series Ever"
There's only 2 generations tho lmao
@@TheFlyingClutchman which makes it even worse
I don't have a problem with the front but the back is really fucking ugly
@@terrorteufel7086 you got it backwards
@@terrorteufel7086 if you don’t have a problem with that bugs bunny looking front facia then ur blind.
The previous F32 4-series coupe and this G series car are among the two most beautiful grand touring coupes out there.
It’s not that bad; it’s actually much, much worse.
@F m you just copied the same comment everywhere mate. Like is BMW paying you or what? The consensus is that the car is ugly, why are you so committed to laughing at people who think that? Literally every other BMW is good looking just not this one. I don’t know a single person that likes it.
@F m Bro everyone hates the grille, you're clearly some basement dwelling bmw fanboy that can't accept that it's the worst grille design in the history of cars. You look like a dumbass and you need to stop.
@F m this is the 4th comment in seeing your copied reply. Is that all u have to say other than your "shut up" or hypocritical comments?
@@baller7387 WTF ... I like the grill... I was gonna buy the 340i but then this comes out. . IT S A FUCKING BEAST ! AND I LOVE IT ! You don t have to buy it! I will!
@F m sadly BMW doesn't give a shit about you, no need to dedicate your life to defending a billion dollar corporation over an ugly grill
I don't mind the grill so much as the fact that cars nowadays are heavy and artificial sounding!
Natural throttle and less weight please!!
Thank the politicians and the silly environment rules ...
@@noobontour3167 nah you can still make cars that are lightweight while still passing noise, safety and emissions regulations. Look at the MX-5 for example. Problem is car companies don't want to make them.
You can’t have both.
@@noobontour3167 > silly environment rules
Yes fuck the environment am I right. Who needs clean air to breathe
@@lelouchvibritannia1788 🥴
Been watching you guys for a long time at this point - you've always had great camera work and music, but it's amazing to see how much more.... studio-quality esque this is. The voiceovers have even more soul, the camera cutaways and angles add a whole new layer of sight, the chemistry between ya'll has gotten even better, etc. It's really cool, congrats!
Also is it just me or was Thomas frustrated with this BMW? Less than the M230, but still frustrated
More frustrated than he should be. Awesome car, just so much fun to drive. Love the styling (and grill) as well, but thats purely personal taste.
I actually love the new grill. I prefer it to the old ones.
I could see that intro coming, and it still made me laugh out loud. Well done boys!!
The front grill of the new BMWs look like Hitler's mustache.
And now you cannot unsee it either.
The number plate holder definitely look like a Hitler stache
No it doesn't.
Well , let us hope this design ages well
@@atarvhegde5210 hahah well it certainly hasn’t started well.
@@atarvhegde5210 The Chris Bangle 7-series hasn't, so I'd venture a guess that this won't go down as a classic the way the shark nosed BMW's have. It's a shame too, because the rest of the car is very well proportioned. Lets hope the incoming two series doesn't follow this design language in front. Let's also hope it is available with a manual transmission. God help them if it's FWD.
I was always a NWA fan but now that I'm in my 40s .. been listening to Billy Joel.
ya'll are naturally funny and incorporate sarcasm so well. not obnoxious like others. my fav car reviewers in general and best from Canada 👀
The vehicle is stunning to look at. BMW did it right in my eyes.
Just not THiS bmw
BMW must have hired the 2019 Camaro front end designer.
Toyota*
@@RomanticPopPunk Toyota did it better
Let's go 1 Million subs around the corner. You folks are doing a fantastic job, keep up the awesome content!
The looks of the M8 competition is the one that I like the most!!!
the grille looks absolutely disgusting
So do you
The back lights look like they tried to copy the Infiniti's Q60 coupe's back.
Also James don’t let Thomas bully you about billy Joel. I’m 17 and last year I went to his concert and I literally was the youngest person there, but it was awesome
Man, ya’ll think the grill is really THAT bad?! I dig the redesign. The whole fleet has had the same idea of the kidney grill. Kudos for trying sometime different.
Bottom line. The car’s worth the money. Great review. Driving edits were awesome!
Jesus Christ that’s ugly! It looks like a Chinese knock off of a BMW.
Yea, that's right,the side and the back looks cheap, the front is just disgusting:)
It's got beaver teeth.
It looks nothing like an Asian car. Not even remotely
@@DefinitelyNotEmmayou bought one, didn’t you Emma?
@@hogdog567 no, I'm not allowed to drive, my dad is a Mercedes guy. I'm personally a bit of a Porsche fan girl. But I really think it looks nothing like a Toyota, Kia, Nissan, Hyundai or something like that. I'm pretty into car design, since it's the thing I want to do later in life and this car is throughout german by design. Very angular, architectural and menacing. Typical for Audi, Mercedes and BMW.
I protest! This video should come with a graphic disturbing video warning.
Read Zechariah 12:10 why
@@linusfrohlich9028 the grill! The grill! The grill! It is coming to eat us all with its Giant gaping mouth!
That grill fits really well in 2020
It’s looks hell a lot better in person. I saw one when I picked up a new X5. I test drive it and enjoyed the ride.
I use that grill for cooking fish
*Like The Grand Tour*
LMAO
My girlfriend said she liked the front end. She's about to graduate medical school so I guess it's hitting it's target audience
I'm in medicine field.
I hate how it looks.
@@kamallb4650 I think you're missing my point
@@LinkMMA idk😂
@@LinkMMA
What is your point, exactly, for those who didn’t get it?
@@mystery8820 That people who can afford this car don't necessarily have good taste.
Imagine getting paid thousands of euros to create this design...
Sounds like a dream job.
They need to fire their exterior design heads and get it redesigned immediately! Used to be a big BMW fan, but this style has turned me off the brand!
I actually like this new style better it’s has more street presence
@@seankelly5142 totally needed for a performance car
I like new styling much more 😍
@@seankelly5142 Panda nose
@@seankelly5142 Sorry Rat nose
"Equipped with a face only a mother could love."
I died!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The grill on this Beemer looks like a caricature of how ridiculous BMW grills have become!
“eM-pty promise.” I see what you did there and I like it.
Guess I’m the only one who actually likes the new grill design. Looks much better than the old one
wow the commentating was amazing. had me laughing with how accurate everything was said 😂 WELL DONE 👍
"it's starting to grow on me"
-bimmerpost members
@F m lol
@F m nice insults bmw boy
hope you spend a nice day in your local mechanic shop
Yeap , the grill is growing even larger , and in the end is gonna be so big , it`s gonna grow on them , and humans gonna have a grill on them also.
@@clxse1 D+ for effort.
@F m plenty of people can afford a 4 series. If your primary purpose in buying an ugly car is to show people that you can afford to buy an ugly car, well then you deserve the ugly car.
“Coupe’ with two doors”. Wait isn’t that what being a coupe’ means?
*sweats in mercedes marketing*
Explain that to me, coupe derived from couple meaning two.
Uhh ohh someone didn't get the memo of "Grand" Coupe...but yes in reality Coupes should only be 2dr
No. A coupe literally means “cut”, and that applies to the roof. A lowered roof height. You can have four door coupes - Mercedes and VW make them - but they are more commonly two-door models, as the whole point is to make a more stylish car. A two-door starting point is an advantage over a more utilitarian sedan as the doors can be longer and the B and C pillars can be moved back. Add a fastback roofline and a pillarless hardtop, and you get a very low, smooth and all-of-one-piece look.
@@luapark3068 Actually coupe comes from the french word couper which means to cutt which can refer to either cutting the two rear doors off or cutting the slope of the roof so nothing to be sweating about lol. also bmw calls their x4 and x6 suv coupes as well ;)
First time seeing this channel. You earned my “like” with the four cylinder statement “I never asked for this!”
They got rid of the Hoffmeister kink and added a “Heat Miser” grille.
They're getting funnier at least. The reviewers, not BMW.
God damn.....good eye. Yeah theyre definitely getting soft
_Heiß Meister_ 😅
I know this was to pay hommage to a BMW from back in the day and I respect and understand that; how they did it though is the issue.
This car pays more homage to 2015 Infiniti coupes than anything else.
the grille looks like it can devour a whole person
It's now 3 years later and the grill has grown on me.