I’m Hyped - Intel Battlemage GPU Specs & Performance
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I’m Hyped - Intel Battlemage GPU Specs & Performance
We finally got more info on Intel's Battlemage GPUs which may include SKUs such as the Arc B750, B770, B950, & B970. This new information gives us a hint at how powerful the graphics cards may be, and they're looking good.
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If intel can really do this amazing price to performance, and keep doing this for the foreseeable future. We might have a renaissance without AMD and Nvidia stop fucking us over in the ass with their prices.
Best way to break out a monopoly (in this case duopoly) is with great competition.
especially if they can manage to keep squeezing some extra performance by refining their drivers game. which seem to be the case so far, even if the starting point and the bar is very low, lol
Let's go easy on AMD, they have given us competently powerful cards with plenty of VRAM for a good price where I think NVIDIA has lacked with their equivalent cards.
3080 equivalent or even a 4070 s with a $350-400 price range would be a game changer by intel.
4070super Performance for 400?
Sry but that’s not that good.
AMD will probably release a rtx4080 performance for 500 🤔
In my opinion a 4070s performance should be available at 300 or less. The upcoming generation will be very competitive
@@K.R.984070S for 400$ is not good ? Bro ? Stfu ? Use your brain ? IDK, something. AMD on intel or Nvidia don't sell 400$ GPU with 4070S perf for 400$.
And I think it will be more a 4070ti performance for 400$.
Also, Geekbench isn't a great benchmark usually. 3D-mark is better cause you actually have multiple data measured in different situations fore different test making a way better results overall.
4070 ti super for 400 would be good in a way you described.
RDNA 4 will be mediocre at best with no card matching the 7090 XTX, so Amd will keep prices high for the flagship 7000 series and drop their pants for 8000 series. It might backfire on them for sales. Also Battlemage will get on par with 8000 series as they will be less powerful. It seems like Amd is struggling in the gpu market, they sold very few 7000 series cards.
@@xlr555usa How many Radeon 7000 series card have been sold total Tim Reynolds?
I want Intel to bring at least 4070 performance but a man can dream
We should know by Black Friday in November or CES 2025. Hopefully they can release before Nvidia 5000 series.
@@661gamer9 to be honest, that’s not asking too much. I think that’s a great mark to meet for intel.
That's not asking a ton, they could do it and it would be very successful for the budget build market. Imagine getting a near 4070-equivalent PC for around $1500. That's a deal.
@@bravocortez4087That would be a 41% increase from an a770 so It could happen
A770 already beats 4070ti. I do 4k with A770. Different architecture. Anything over 40FPS on A770 you need +120 from 4070ti and still left wanting with stutter or lack of RT. INTEL is paired via REBAR to have 2 silicon performance.
YOU TELL me b970 is all most like 4070 super in performance in 350 dollar its hard to imagine 🙃
intel is desperate, about as desperate as amd was before RDNA2
I believe there will be a B770 with more powerful Xe2 cores, Intel has stated they will stick to mid range for Battlemage. That being said most 4070 gpus were gimped with a 256 bit bus and using DLSS (frame generation) as a crutch, so Battlemage flagship should be on par. Nvidia is likely to gimp the 5000 series, except for 5090.
I mean it's hardly impressive. People expecting the top RDNA4 gpu to have the raster of the 7900XTX=4080S for 7800XT price (500 dollars) RTX 50's DLSS4 is looking good too.
The A770 has RT performance in the 4070 neighborhood today, and the weak raster performance is chalked up to a design flaw.
@@kurtwinter4422 the A770 has on par compute with all the 256 bit 4070s, so flagship Battlemage should surpass it and may get close to a 4090. The 4090 was gimped for compute operations when compared to the 3090/ti. Compute is AI and workloads, etc… which like it or not will continue to play a very important role moving forward. Arc has to survive, its our only shot at spanking Nvidia. Maybe Amd will bounce back down the road.
That's what I want. I want better value. I'd honestly rather them make the cards cheaper than what Nvidia is doing. Nvidia is just making it as powerful as possible and not even trying to do it cheaply.
They could also make powerful cards that are cheaper. it's not necessarily the case that they have to compete only in the low-end market.
A 4070 super Intel equivalent would be dope
I'm so waiting on Intel GPU
Intel for low budget, AMD for mid, Nvidia for high, GPU market be looking like a capture the points game or sum shi
Im very happy they are not shutting down gpu division even in this situation
I can only hope this becomes a reality and destroys both amd and nvidia
I conquered this board!
Thumbnail was misleading. Most optimistic performances guesses put it as slightly above a 4070, while thumbnail is implying 4080 level of performance.
as long as can delvier that, since A770 is equivalent to 7900GRE in specs, but competes with RX6600 in new releases, most probably drivers, but still it doesn't go above RX 6700XT, in workloads it fares better, but from gaming perspective it is very underwhelming
so let's extrapolate 4070, sligtly slower than 3080 in new GoW, so jump is from 3060 to 3080, that's 50% up to 60% at most... it doesn't sound that great to me unless i wanted to use it to encode videos or something
So… many… qualifiers!!!! Lol, nonetheless, hope your projections are correct!
they're wrong. in hes tables b970 with 24Tflops somehow better than 4070 with 29 Tflops. Thats is just a pure cope and baiting for ppl who can't even read
Intel B970
16GB VRam, 256-bit Bus, performance on par with a 4070 for $350 USD
Nvidia 5060
8GB VRam, 128-bit Bus, performance on par with a 4070, for let's be real probably $400 USD
If this shit turns out to be true (and ALL of the problems ARC had are gone... AT LAUNCH) and yes, that's a big IF. IF these rumors are true and Battle Mage lives up to the hype and the pricing is what is being predicted this is going to be a market COUP... Intel will RULE the lower end of the market which is the end of the market 75% of us are actually going to be interested in. Nvidia (and AMD) have been offering dogshit products at the lower end of the market FOR YEARS. A 16GB card with a 256-Bit bus that doesn't kill bandwidth offered at a price point below $300 USD is something Nvidia/AMD are not willing to do, and it's something a lot of people want. IF Intel actually pulls that off there are going to be a lot of people going team blue.
i think this gpu would be called Arc B5xx
the B7xx probably has the G31 chipset
28xe2 for B750
32xe2 for B770
INTEL! Give me a 64GB Arc B970 for $2k and I'll buy 2 of them. TAKE MY 5090 money!
Performance of a 7800xt for 300€ would be needed for people to choose Intel
All I want is midrange raw power at a competitive price...
I am on RTX 4090, but, I will tell you that I miss RTX 4080 simply because it was so much less hot, and I could undervolt it as well as 4090 and having GPU run below 200 watts while being near 90% usage and in some titles giving me more fps than 4090 because of it
We need to go back to 300 watts max for flagship GPUs, allowing us to undervolt too
I miss it. My room is always hot with 4090 even while watching youtube. It generates so much heat
B970 is projected to be 225 watts TDP
That's great. Now if they can do a 4090 performance at 300 watts, and at least 24 GB
Bro! why do you care about electric garbage computers so much? They all ready make non heat producing optical photonic light wave CPUs and GPUs that are 1000x faster than consumer electronic CPUs and GPUs in the public market today. They don't want to give the public the fastest best tech over night because they will lose billions in future sells schemes . The entire computer and gaming industry is a scam run by mafia criminals, don't fall victim to the hype, all your computer tech and gear is trash!
Another nonsense video from him?
Homeslice, I have been using Arc gpus for awhile, hacking it and making it put in work. Do you use Arc gpus? I will be getting Battlemage gpus and working on AI Arc parallelism. Arc is very good at compute but this gets buried because of Nvidia dominance. Arc should reach the same compute as Nvidia consumer gpus by Celestial or Druid.
{Ping Me}
I would like some day to build an all intel build but the Arc GPUs are space heaters and need work on power efficiency along with the CPUs that are tough to cool.
Wanted to pick up an A770 because it looked well built and would be a nice to have but the prices, how do they charge so much compared to the Founder's and Reference Editions from the other two.
I really hope you are right but BattleMage might be the last desktop offering by Arc, as Druid and Celestial probably won't see the light of day in discrete cards, maybe mobile variants. Intel basically gutted the Arc team right before Alchemist launched, Raja is gone, and most of the people he brought on. We'll see though, I hope that I am wrong.
@@oysterhead5150 we are seeing Battlemage drivers getting pushed to Linux, so discrete Battlemage should be coming. Intel is competing with Nvidia and Amd at the enterprise and consumer grade gpus level. Plus AI needs parallelism between CPU, iGpu and discrete Gpus. Intels Deep Link tech already has parallelism between iGpu and discrete. If they get rid of discrete Arc than they shoot themselves in the foot. Their foundry business is losing billions but will be put into a subsidiary so Arc should be able to move forward. Plus the US military needs Intel, they have to succeed and will be given the resources needed. The Feds can print money but let’s hope the $$$ doesn’t crash.
@@oswaldjh the Intel LE gpus are pricey, I have the A770 and A750. Check out the ASRock Phantom OC A770, I’ve been driving the card very hard with software overclocks and it doesn’t overheat. It has three large fans and stays in the 60C range when playing CP 2077 and Wukong. My 3090 stays in 70c range with peaks in the 80c range and that’s with the fans cranked.
You can find the Phantom OC in the low $300 range, but it will get cheaper once Battlemage releases.
38 seconds no views? Bro fell off
I fell off the wagon long ago
@@xlr555usa I never made it to the wagon
@@chrisfriend8573 say it ain’t so…
Worst ARC feature is insane power consumption for its performance.
+high idle power draw
My boy Alchemist gave up his life trying to fight this tyranical degenerate status quo on the graphics card market.
My boy Battlemage will avenge his death with undying fury!
We'll see what happens. I am running an EVGA 3080Ti in one PC and a Ventus 4070 in another... Money does NOT grow on trees... Real world testing rules.
Gpus need to put in work so they can grow money on binary tree maps. Let’s do this…
We are witnessing the downfall of Intel...
That what people said about AMD after bulldozer and right before RYZEN
lol no?
5:35 the problem here is its not early 2024. We are in October and their top end card is no where to be seen. Remember this thing will be going up against the 5060 next year, they have delayed it that long.
Battlemage was the promise of affordable mid range. But they have delayed and delayed this thing that it's now a promise unkept
These numbers look VERY optimistic. The new Core Ultra 140V integrated graphics are using the Battlemage XE cores and the back to back comparisons I've seen of those this week against the previous gen Core Ultra iGPUs (which use Arc Xe cores - presumably Alchemist?) are showing a 20-30% uplift. Not the 50+ you are claiming.
My bet is the B970 will perform even with a 4070 at best. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
Don’t you mean 4070 spec maybe 4070 ti /super with a pinch in Synthetic benchmarks, regarding price that will be 100 dollars more due to inflation
even if the math is right and the "leaks" are right... in that pricerange is a lot and what the market needed is 200-300 bucks gpu that makes the job done. last gen didnt pass the performance of the gen before.... rtx 4060 is not far from a 3060 and a rx 6650 xt is not far from a 7600 so no improvements there in the past we have seen massive jumps for example, the 1060 was 980 performance. the 2060 was 1070 ti performance, the 3060 is 2070 super performance. so u need a jump on the lower end. i would love to see 4070 performance given for 200-300 bucks in the next gen of gpus but this will never happen. i guess we will geht 4060 ti performance in that price tag but not from nvidia.
A 3080 level performance card with 32 or even better 64gb VRAM on it would sell like hotcakes to people looking for inexpensive (sub 2k) local AI cards. Intel needs to double the ram of the competition.
I quite like my 9700x, it really depends on what you want, i wanted a cpu that does roughly as good as the 7800x3d, atleast in the games i play, which it does and it does it 10-20c cooler....its a win-win in my eyes all that with a 65w limit...with no 3d cache to create more heat, i call that impressive, but like all those elitist types, they expect perfection and when it never happens, they say it sucks,
intels new gpu's look good but they would have to be insanely cheap to sell any. AMD have way cheaper options yet no one is buying them. Maybe intel with a name everyone has heard of might sell to the average person that has no idea. I wish them luck.
Bad news is that disappointing performance of Battlemage IGPU (Xe2 architecture) included in Intel Ultra 9 288V APU. Don't expect much performance improvement over Alchemist. RTX4060Ti ($400 MSRP) performance at $300? Not impressive at all for next gen. Coming RTX5060 @$300 will beat it handsomely in both raw power and cost-performance.
Unless Intel can actually provide a card that is both significantly faster than at least a 4080 and sell it for significantly less can this have any effect on the current market. The only way to do this currently is for Intel to lose money on the sale of the cards. Right now Intel is in no position to do this. If they tried the shareholders would have a meltdown of epic proportions. It seems that Intel can make a card that can compete at the mid to mid high level. Especially on price to performance. But that means nothing. The same people that refuse to buy AMD regardless of price to performance will refuse to buy Intel GPUs too. That is currently, for better or worse, clearly nearly everyone.
i am very interested at intels opengl and vulkan driver support for linux. I have a older nvidia 1660S card that i want to exchange with intel card. If a new battlemage flagship can beat 4070ti by half the price then its very welcome in my system :-)
I'm glad there more than just AMD and NVidia should help drive prices down and drive innovation to beat the competition should be interesting now that intel is going after the 1440p market with this generation just as the first generation went after 1080p
If Intel keeps their prices low on their GPUs they have a nice opportunity to gain mid range market share. That would put AMD in a spot where they have to really give us good value with their future cards.
how b970 with 24.6 Tflops is between 4070 with 29.1 and 4070ti with 40.1 Tflops?
This looks like insane cope with no proof
Be cool if it will work with older hardware, i own 3 770s but 10900k is just compatible. Hopefully they adjust this.
They need a Nvidia Reflex/Anti Lag new variant equivalent for me to consider anything. I am really hoping we see that on the launch of these new GPUs.
bruh intels cpu are over 600dls what do you think if they get a card out like the 4090 prices iis going to be🤣
Q: can any man learn to move his head endlessly like you when conveying matter-of-fact synthetic benchmarks and hardware (or baseball) scores?
Also id imagine all the cards they can make will sell. Lot of hate towards nvida and a third option that works is what people want.
Sorry Intel GPUs are joke.
I'll wait for a gpu priced under $600 that can push my ultrawide at minimum 80fps with ray tracing
I think that Nvidia's main rival will be Intel in two years
Big question, will it be supported or would be the same mess that it had with the previous intel gpu?
Will the Nvidia 5000 series utilize the latest DP and HDMI cables?
When is the last time any tech company priced a new product release aggressively 😜😂
hope they do a cool looking founders card or whatever intel calls them
Hello. I have an unrelated question. What mic are you using?
Yeah cause the 4090 was "totally" underwhelming. Mhm.
what if I paired an intel arc gpu with an amd processor lmao
In my country, they don't even bother to sell these intel GPUs
Intel is going to be the Nvidia competitor we wished AMD was
16mb L2 cache is too small. nvidia gave 32+ and that why they won.
What would be next level if they perfect sli
If the card is under $400 it will be worth.
$400+ and Intels got the wrong approach
All great but i need a nvidia app for hdr so i m stuck !!
90/120 temps in new intel GPUs? -_-
Maybe I put some nvidia shares into intel?
YAYY!!! 1/3 the price!!! of $2500.......
Only 4 years to optimize it 😂😂
I might have to end up making an intel pc
Intel went to the lab and LOCKED TF IN
Not “dropping” a like
Looking very good!
delusional.
release date?
A770 has 32 Xe cores. Predicted top Battlemage has predicted more than 32 Xe2 cores. Xe vs Xe2 already is 50% jump in performance. I've seen rumors of 40 Xe2 cores if not more for the top Battlemage. Now we are closing to double the performance of the first gen GPU's.
A770 GPU clock speed is 2.1 GHz. The upcoming BMG-G21 that is predicted to be the replacement for the A750 and has specs reaching to 2.85 GHz. So we should expect 3 GHz and above from the top Battlemage performer. Then there is the Memory speed/Bandwidth from 17.5 Gbps/560 GB/s from A770 to 19 Gbps/608 GB/s from the top Battlemage.
Now add Intel Application Optimization (APO) that promise 10-50% gain with top INTEL CPU. Don't forget that INTEL ARC via REBAR uses 2 silicon architecture taking the advantage of both silicon and doubling the performance. For example i7-13700k 253W (max) + A770 225W (max) = 478W (max). In general Wattage = performance. It is a good indication now that the clock speeds are predicted to match the competitions clock speeds.
Plus with two silicon architecture there is no queuing or waiting meaning every frame is perfect. A770 in reality already gives you better experience on 4k than 4070ti. Current testing doesn't give you the performance of 2 silicon combined performance or recoccine architecture where you don't have queuing or waiting. To beat you need at least double the FPS count from AMD/Nvidia single silicon architecture where CPU plays only very small part. Hence insane Wattage like 450W from 4090 or the predicted 600W from 5090.
INTEL is cooking something big for sure. Don't forget that Arrow Lake plays a huge part also. Battlemage predicted Wattage is 250-275W. So it looks like it will be close to 4080/5080 cards with combined wattage of 500-550W.Arrow Lake max Wattage is predicted to be max 250-275W. It would make sense to match the Wattage on GPU and CPU to avoid bottlenecks. So when talking about Battlemage you should also add the Arrow Lake into the picture because it is going to be big part of the performance. Also new Motherboards for the Arrow Lake most likely have enhanced REBAR for pairing. Would make sense.
4090 24gb VRAM 384 bit bus 450W
4080 16gb VRAM 256 bit bus 320W
4070ti 12gb VRAM 192 bit bus 285W
a750 8gb VRAM 256 bit bus 225W
a770 16gb VRAM 256 bit bus 225W
As a summery I think we are looking at doubling the Alchemist performance. Potential also gives hope that it might even be more.
Price point for the top Battlemage I predict is $500 (for reference 4080 +$1300). But here is the catch. You need top Arrow Lake CPU to get everything from it and that is a new build $500 for the CPU and $500 for the Motherboard. That's $1500 as a round ruff estimate. Now it doesn't look that cheap anymore. But if this combo competes with 4080/5080 then it starts to look extremely good value if you doing a new build. Also when the Wattage of the 4080/5080 are 320W/predicted 400W and add the Wattage of the CPU it is looking very similar in power cost. Arrow lake Wattage predicted Wattage is 250-275W. Top AMD CPU 170W. Battlemage prediction is 250-275W.
Intel has axed dGPU department and is circling the drain as a company. Don't get me wrong I hope I'm wrong and they release Battlemage, but this seems clickbaity at this point.
What? Do some research before spewing BS.
The B970 seems like a 4070 Super competitor but with more vram. If it does indeed launch at $349 and Intel keeps improving their drivers they might have a winner.
For 350$? No way
will maybe give the b970 a go if its more powerful than my 3080, wanted to try an intel gpu for a while
Current Alchemist 500/700 series cards are fine for 1080p gaming.
I am really scared that Intel put the gpu projects on ice to save money.
That would be impossible considering they just released Lunar Lake with Xe2 that was designed by the same graphics divisions. Also they need their GPU division for AI development and Automotive industry. They would be crazy to just up and leave.
Now if Nvidia would make CPUs again.
That wont happen. Intel and AMD have a legal obligation to cross license their patents to each other. Unless the government steps in and forces them to also license them to nVidia they have no hope of competing in the x86 space. Even if that did happen they would likely also have to share their tech with Intel and AMD in that process. The number of hurdles are extremely significant. Even with unlimited money it would be extremely difficult. The only reason that Apple can even kind of get away with it is they have created a walled garden. nVidia doesn't have luxury to attempt the same thing unless they want to also start directly competing with Apple. That would be very unwise.
@@amindamok They are already doing it. At least in the development phase with their Grace CPU. It is ARM based and not intended for average consumers but it at least shows a willingness to expand into the CPU market. There were rumors of possible average consumer CPUs for 2025 but nothing concrete.
Why are any of thesee cards shipped with 8mb of Vram? I thought the die was expensive enough to at LEAST turn up the memory for these cards.
What are you taking about ? That's l2 , vram are 12g and 16g
I'm certainly interested to see where Intel goes with these. Personally I'm on the higher echelon of things, waiting for that 5090. But I could certainly see myself building out some decent budget rigs for family or what not using something like these ARC cards. I wouldn't mind building out a rig for my sister, and maybe upgrading my dads older PC.
In the process of building out a new system for myself, just waiting on Intel 15th Gen and well that RTX 5090.. I was hoping to have my build done by December, but it's looking more and more like RTX 5000 won't be out till after CES.
Heck if Battlemage were to releases this year, I may get it as an intermediary till the 5090 drops. My dad or my roommate could do well with a simple GPU upgrade lol.
Better get a new psu, I would get a 1000+ (atleast 1200) with the two new connectors, Im hearing the 5090 is gonna have two 16 pins for 600watts. I would also make sure your home wiring can support that much.
120V x 15A = 1800W x 80% = 1440W
120V x 20A = 2400W x 80% = 1920W
Recent leaks are suggesting a 12v 2x6 Power connector. But either way I'm building a full new system from scratch, I won't be skimping on anything.
I'm working on getting out of OTR trucking and into local work atm.(Like garbage truck or towing) So I'll be going from laptop back to a desktop. Not just building a new PC, I'm completely overhauling my room as well to accommodate my planned setup. Already got some new furniture, new peripherals, and my PC case.
All I've got left to acquire now is the hardware going into my PC case, and a nice TV. Doing more of an HTPC setup in my room rather than a desk.
Been living in the cab of a truck over the road for 10 years.. tired of that lol. Tired of being limited by a laptop as well. Haven't had a proper desktop setup since, so I ain't holding back. I want to actually enjoy this "4k Gaming" people speak of lol. I'm no longer gonna be a slave to the road..
Just found a 4070 ti super for $720 out the door.
Does Intel have a good 4k gpus or are they just 1440 for the latest games.
not yet and the current arc series isnt good for 1440p. i used a A770 16 GB for a year and had to stay in 1080p
Intel wont make 4K gpus as its a useless resolution.
I’ve been running many games at 1440 on a ASRock Phantom OC A770 and the card stays cooler than any Nvidia gpu. I’ve been playing Hellblade 2, Black Myth: Wukong and CP 2077 with Full Path Tracing and XeSS Ultra Performsnce. FSR 3.0 on CP runs like garbage with lighting and dithering anomalies. FSR Frame Generation on CP is only 10 fps better than XeSS Ultra Performance
@@kazuvikinguseless? What if you want a display larger than 27” but don’t want to reduce visual fidelity? And why isn’t 1440p useless then? Just get a 24” 1080p. Why not a 20” 720p? At what point does it stop making sense to want a larger display and why?
@@HeWhoSitsOnFences At normal monitor distance you only need 4k if you wan't to go larger than 32.5". Tell me when you will notice visual fidelity decrease in games at a 32" 1440p screen? Never, unless you are looking for them while zooming in.
exceeding RTX 4070 in compute means exceeding RTX 4060 in gaming and exceeding RTX 5050 / RX 8500 XT in gaming. I promise you RTX 5060 and RX 8600XT are faster than B970
A 3rd player in the GPU market with lower prices may force NVidia and AMD to lower their absurdly high prices.. That's what I'm hoping for.
Hate to break it to you...a 3080 has been 300-350 for two years now.
what? where? used market?
@LughtMoyes, i sold my 3080's for 400 bucks last year.
Apples to oranges. Used means cosmetic / performance degradation, no returns, no warranty, packaging issues, missing parts, shipping issues, risk of fraud, etc. Used GPUs cost less for a reason.
@@b1zzler exactly, just the fact that conductors oxidize and make resistance higher which means the gpu will probably draw more power with less performance as time goes...
I wouldn't touch an Intel arc / battle mage GPU with a 10ft pole until they get their drivers and performance to at least 99%.
If you look at even any recent release or early access game on steam with pretty demanding requirements, they underperform or don't even launch the game.
Let people test the new battle mage for several months before even thinking of buying one.
There's no way in hell I'd buy an Intel GPU right now. Intel is in deep financial doo-doo, and the easiest fat for them to cut would be their GPU business.
I don't expect them to still be in the GPU market for very long.
It's sad, because the market needs the competition and they seem like decent products.
So you want less competitors then
@@theanglerfish I know that reading is hard - so very, very hard. Try again, though.
one thing that i really expect from two companies:
amd and intel have cards that capable to equal if not better than 4070 but with cheaper prices
OR
Nvidia made the RTX 5060 as a complete card under 350$ and it beats the 4070. (the chance is really low considering people will still buying nvidia cards and nvidia won't care since they still got profits.)
At this point intel just need to drop cpu's and focus on gpu's
Amd decided not to go for nvidia anymore to dominate the mid-range market but now intel is coming directly for them. :o
I mean, let's be real here. Your getting a 5080 or 5090 over anything intel make.
save $100 to deal with bugs and inconsistencies. enjoy your 💩 poors.
You're talking like Sony fanboys defending the PS5 pro's MSRP...