Episode 96: Patrik Laine Injury - Dirty or Clean?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
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Patrik Laine had to be helped off the ice following a knee on knee hit with Maple Leafs player Cedric Paré. The hit did not look good and neither does the injury. Sadly, Laine has not yet played a regular season game with the Montreal Canadiens, and it looks like he could be out for a while. We're hoping for the best, but it did not look good. To make matters worse, former 5th overall pick David Reinbacher also went down with an apparent knee injury. Let's just say that we and our fellow Habs fans are very discouraged right now. We're hoping for the best but it does not look good. Both players were seen leaving the Bell Centre with a knee brace and on crutches. The question everyone is asking is whether the hit was dirty or not.
Should the NHL re-visit the pre-season format/rules? Are there too many pre-season games being played?
Xhekaj took matters into his own hands and decided to stick up for his teammate by going after Paré. Many agree and believe that Paré had to expect someone (Xhekaj) to force him to defend himself after injuring a key player on the Montreal Canadiens roster. However, some do not agree with how Xhekaj went about it and are comparing it to the Moore/Bertuzzi situation. Which was one of the worst gestures and injuries to have ever happened in the NHL. Do we think that Xhekaj did the right thing? Was what he did as bad as some (very few) people say it was?
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In your opinion, was Paré's hit on Laine dirty?
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Hilarious. Liane spreads his legs so wide. Of course it’s knee on knee. Paré had no chance of not going knee on knee. Habs fans on a podcast lol.
Well, we always did say that we are Habs fans and that this is a Habs and NHL based podcast. It's in our bio LOL.
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Respect to this guy Dave who actually knows what he is talking about when it comes to playing the game and not speaking as a bias fan
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the voice of reason Dave..it was unfortunate nit intentional,,just sad to see Laine go down...not just for Habs fans but the whole league will miss Patrick tear up the league and rejuvenate his career in La belle province..use your prefrontal cortex not the limphic brain guys
LMAO, let him go by you..... lost all credibility for any hockey argument if you say let him just go by you lol
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Pare has his knee in line with his shoulder!! Laine has a wide stance, meaning his left knee is overextended beyond his left shoulder...have another look
There's a comparable in basketball, you can't have your foot under a guy when he lands. Ankles give out spectacularly if you keep your foot there. Have to move it. Doesn't matter if the guys landing in the space you occupy. This guy doesn't use his knee, and Laine gets by cleanly. Defender trades a blow by for a dirty and dangerous hit that may end a career.
Ok while we are having another look why don't you take a look at Pare and his knee just before contact he purposely bends his knee so he makes sure his k ee does all the hurting and removes it from the 50/50 chance on whos knee gets hurt. Give me your honest answer do you or do you not see what I am saying? And do you or do you not now feel like the chances of him not meaning to hurt the other guy maybe he was doing it because he knows that protects his knee (because it does) now yes thats fine so he did it to protect himself fine. My issue is this and this is fact by bending your knee forward that does protect you the problem with that is 100% by protecting yourself by doing that you are at the same time almost guaranteeing you hurt the other guy. If you want confirmation of this just ask the guy who probably taught him this, thats just a maybe but he was the best at that game just ask his coach the goon.
@jimmyboy2165 ridiculous argument.
Basic human biomechanics.
He pushed off his right leg to try and get his body in front of the offensive player, which will of course cause the left knee ro automatically bend if he has any sense of balance.
Go and try and move side to side and notice what your leg not doing the pushing does.
@@alchemical.fitness I still play hockey, have my whole life, it doesn't matter how wide the attackers legs are set, I've never hit a guy knee on knee. Almost 40 years of hockey without injuring a player. Even when I played contact, I was always able to move my body to avoid dirty knee on knee hits.
Your argument applies to open ice hits, but the league is tired of skilled guys with huge contracts and huge fan bases exiting their careers over those. Which is why players are expected "avoid" crushing open ice hits. Still a stupid argument?
@@jimmyboy2165 totally agree, it was a dirty as shit hit.
Pare is giggling because hes nervous on camera..not the kind of player who is used to media attention
He got his moment, and enjoyed it to the max. Period.
Habs should draft and trade for more physically sturdy players with no injury histories. This isn’t the ice capades
Dave it's a pre season game he didn't have do that just like you don't have a lot of fighting wait for the season to start
The Dave guy is trying to be honest but the idiots are having none of none of it .
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Why don't you see this every day in NHL games? Because they're NHL players. I've played a high level of hockey and what these guys are taught is to step up on the forwards on the blueline...but the result is AHLers trying to make an NHL team are dangerous to NHL players - period. I feel bad for both guys, I don't think its intentional, but it is an issue of talent. The AHLer is NOT going to let Laine blow past him when he's trying to make the roster. And Laine was wide coming across the blueline. Its a perfect storm. Im a huge Habs fan and it was a bush leauge play. No ones "fault" per sae.
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No intent to injure, I agree but it absolutely was a player dreaming of making the big club who didn't want to look silly. Which is ironic..
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No matter whether it was intentional or not it’s a penalty it’s tripping such as player stepping on a stick and because it caused a injury it’s a major and the refs blew it like normal
apparently, all 4 refs didn't see it.
how they didn't see it when Laine had the puck is "shocking". What the hell were they looking at then?
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Wow! Dave, you're wrong on this one.
No he’s not…I’m kinda embarrassed to call my self a habs fan….after watching jack-off perform….
I respectfully disagree! Haha but that’s why it’s just my opinion. Thanks for listening!
Laine did this to himself by splitting two D Men with a very wide stance
@@davetrentadue People had the same argument regarding Adam Johnson, saying it was a pure accident and that he had to look around him a bit better. Not the same outcome of course, but the logic is the same.
It is called dangerous negligence. The guy paré had to make a splash, and so he kind of did with his own sauce in a desperate move.
Sorry his knee was out there . And even though the Arber thing didn’t look great Reeves or any other player for a team in that role would ve done the same. The bigger issue is the kid not answering the bell to me is the bigger issue and gives the leafs a bad look. He knew that was com😮ing but was a coward. So I don’t think Arber deserves a suspension. I think his penalties were way above and beyond. Officiating is a bigger problem. But buckle up this is going to be a rough season .
Pare was trying to impress his team with his stop on Laine.... by putting his knee out in order to stop him .
Maybe or maybe it was just poor judgement in the moment.
Definitely lack of skill. We still believe that he did not intend to hurt him, but he did intend to stop him and maybe did not think it would have resulted in what it did.
It was just an all-round bad play across the board and very deflating for Laine, the Habs, and Habs fans
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Somebody gift a guy on the left a hairbrush
And a Wash
Is this my wife!? 🤣🤣🤣 Your criticism is noted
And a brain evidently
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I don't care if it was dirty or not... same as with high sticking you are responsible for your body, if your knee strikes another players knee, fault is on you... no one tries to get injured for the fun of it...
then laine shouldn't have expected Pare to move out of the way of him skating in with his legs spread apart, total high school move by someone that needs to learn some personal responsibility, he keeps doing things like skating with his head down, no clue about the environment, he is an absolute liability and no wonder he is on his 4th team, he has the same level of responsibility on this injury as when patches tried to squeeze between the boards and Chara, neither of which did he have a snowflakes chance in hell of moving
so what you just said was it was both of them at fault.
Ok so if if was the Toronto guy that hurt is knee it would be laines fault, I don’t think so
Dave is so wrong to say paré didn’t stick his knee out at all. I don’t think he meant to hurt him, but still.
It is the same as if Paré would have dive head and fist first into the skates area . There would still be people defending him saying there is no eveidence of intention....there is kind of no way around it, it seems.
Nobody puts there knee like that it's even dangerous to Paré...desperate move.
it's not a good look. that's for sure!
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he didn't do himself any favors in the post-game interview. With that being said, it's sad to hear that people are sending him and his wife death threats. That has to stop.
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Yes zero sympathy in post game interview....for sure he knews he is not ''OK''! He looked liked a proud guy more than anyhting else.
Death threats are stupid, but to be expected, given the number of people watching that are in different mental states. Some may be drunk or mentally ill, and how many death threats result in the actual act? i'm curious to know! It's even possible that some are from fake accounts. If you are a Leaf fan, it's a great to put a lid on the whole situation by putting forward those sort of over-reaction.
Solid discussion!
Just cant ear that guy anymore. Sorry guys but I'm done. Good luck Matt and Vito. Cheers!
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Habs STINK and are SOFT
You guys could probably find a way to agree that moon is made out of cheese. Not even amateurs do what Pare did without an intention to injure or knowing they will cause injury.
It wasn’t dirty, Laine put himself in a bad spot…his knee was already out…..
Clown 😅......
Ur a effing clown didn’t you watch the game
what?
@TonyL349 totally agree T.
Fans arguing anything else are not looking at the evidence but arguing based on emotion. Reverse the roles exactly. Ahl hab dman and let's say Marner
Are you still saying it's the dmans fault?
@@alchemical.fitness yes still the perpetrator's fault, no doubt. Same as diving feet first into Laine's skates.
preseason is there for guys to make the team..nhl players who already have contracts should play games closer to the ned of camp..why was Laine or Suzuki even in the lineup on a nothing game? only at home to sell tickets..its a difficult sell..I get it and agree with you, preseason is too long and maybe have a ratio of nhl contracts on the roster for each preseason game
Bottom line a knee on knee hit is a dirty play no matter the circumstance which usually happens because the guy missed the check and stuck out their leg so the attacking forward doesnt dance around them making them look bad. Defending or calling it a nothing play is confusing but to each his own. When an opposing team puts out an ahl roster i think the other team should ice a similar roster the habs made a bad call putting out their top two lines. A hockey play that is a penalty is a dirty play come on man wake up lol.
there is no clean knee checks. should be banned totally and when it happens suspensions must follow. knee hits is a serious thing for the careers of pro hockey players. Fans pay the big $$$$ to see them play not to be injured with a knee hit. NHL need to clean up this part of the game. No matter who uses the knee and injures a player there should be consequences like many games suspensions if the player is seriously injured. those injuris can end a career!!!!!!!!
We hear ya! but sometimes it can't be controlled and a lot of the times knee on knee hits are accidental. The speed of the game is the fastest it has ever been.
There are some knee on knee that are very blatant and those have to be penalized and removed from the game (as best as possible)
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yes yes HABS fans the rebuid is over !!!! playoff this year and soon the CUP
He did not throw his knee out, Laine was to wide of a stance going into him at the last second and didn't move his leg in going around
Also, Wifi basically pulled a Brashear on Pare, so get him out of the league as well
Pare says the Xhekaj was sneaky, wow , when you're grabbed by the collar you know your in a fight
Pare never changed his knee position, give your bias an adjustment here
every team sends their fringe players to play on the road these days...its everyone! its not connected to any previous games
You guys will be trying to say the injury to Reibacher was intentional and a dirty play!
sticking your knee out is a dirty play in hockey. Im not saying he did it to hurt anyone, i think doughty season ending injury was a knee on knee as well
It wasn't. Drew Doughty had a collision with Tanner Pearson and his leg hit the boards and bended in a weird way and broke his ankle. And Pearson had very little to do with it, just bad luck for Doughty he fell into the boards like that.
Still can't believe what happened last night. Biggest buzz kill in a long long time.
Payback for Perry on Tavares! Enjoy!
The buzz was so high and crashed before we could've ever really enjoyed it. Acquiring Laine only to not even see him play a regular season game. To see him get hurt in such a meaningless game is deflating.
The season is not over and there is still a lot to follow and like.
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@ScarboroughMans Perry was an accident. Everyone and their mother know that was not intentional. What a stupid comment
@@GETPUCKDPodcast I can’t tell you how happy I am that we intentionally ended Laine’s season. Next is Slafkovsky.
Btw, it’s cute you think your podcast is going to make it on RUclips. Those 1000 subscribers are impressive! You might want to rethink your life goals. LOL!
@@GETPUCKDPodcast Don’t worry, Laine has been a head case and failure everywhere he’s gone. A good way of looking at it is no big deal.
Thank you Dave for actually understanding Hockey, Matt and Vito, we get it, you're upset but other than completely backing off and letting Laine skate by what would you expect a hockey player to do in that situation? "he has his hand out" of course he does, no matter what if he goes for a should check or uses his hands he is going to move that knee in that direction, thats how you make body contact. Your Montreal bias is brutal in this instance, and its a poor look on you.
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Obivously, the leaque agrees with Dave!
Pare was going for a check and realized - oops - he's got the knee. At this moment Pare spins and tries to avoid aggravating it.
Pare goofed, and tried to minimize damage once he realized where he was. Pare is out there trying to prove himself still, I think this was a part of the equation.
It even look as though Laine widened his legs to prevent Pare from getting his body in close . . . again, Pare tried too hard to get a hit and realized that he flubbed.
Vito - no longer in tech support ? Could have used an enforcer there sometimes.
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Vito is 100% correct...leaf fans saying it was like Bert are way off...what Bert did was premeditated..games before they even played..not in game response..I dont blame wifi..i would have wanted reaves to do the same if the shoe was on the other foot
Right-on!
Not even remotely close to being the same thing. Both fanbases can tend to wear their rose-colored glasses, but at some point, you have to just call a spade, a spade.
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It's simple. You're not allowed to hit with your knees. Just like you can't head but. You can't close line. You can't swing your stick at a guy
Yup, but some people see it differently and some people see the whole play/injury differently.
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You do not put your knee out never, Pare 's cheap shot
good luck on the playoff guys.
He held back just sending a message
Home line ups get the better players.lol
Now could you imagine if Mathews would have gotten the same treatment in a preseason game would the table be changed around that is my thought 😏
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trade a G for another fwd, your team is jacked with young promising players...hughes is a master
Unfortunately, goalies don't hold enough value to go and acquire a top 6 player, let alone a player with Laine's upside.
It would have to be a bigger deal.
Hughes definitely should not make any panic moves. He is better off seeing what he has with his young kids i.e. Kapanen and Roy
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Wow! First and last passage here! You should find better contributors.
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Clean but i feel bad
People already reverting to their Michkov love, now that Reinbacher went down.
those people were there just waiting for the one mistake or the one bad performance or injury. They will always be lurking around to the point that we have to question whether Reinbacher will ever have any success in Montreal because of the added pressure that is being put on him. The sad part is that it's not his fault. he just got drafted and is working toward his dream of being an NHLer.
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btw 1st time watching and new sub, love the banter and emotion behind the arguments..I am a leaf fan but also a fan of the best on best..hoping Laine isnt hurt as bad as it looked and we can have a Laine Matthews rivalry renew
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In general, we were looking forward to seeing Laine, but we can't deny that watching the Laine Matthews rivalry would've been awesome to see throughout the year.
Imagine the marketing behind that on game nights...
Ahhhh what could've been
He stuck his knee out, an AHL / ECHL level plug took out a top 6 sniper for who knows how long.
The refs should have a called a minor or reviewed the play for a major.
Arber took matters into his own hands ( literally)
Pare was a coward for not answering the bell, and lucky that Arber in his moment of rage kept his glove on, otherwise he’s be eating puréed food for the next 6 months.
you don't eat with the back of your head, and that's what that coward of a stock boy targeted bertuzzi style
The refs definitely should've called a penalty, but, apparently, all 4 of them did not see anything.
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Remove Matthew from the Leaf lineup, do they easily make the playoffs? Yes, Matthew and Laine are not the same caliber, although they were drafted 1 spot apart.
You add 2 more players (Dach and Laine) on your top 6.. and you’re saying it doesn’t make a huge difference? Again, remove two top six from any team and tell me it doesn’t make a difference!
You want 35 more goals than last year? Again, you add Dach and Laine to your roster, and split them right in the middle.. 17 goals each. We good now?
@yannirugby what are you talking about?
When did we ever say the leafs would or would not make the playoffs if matthews is there or not?
Last year, the Habs lost Dach for the whole season and did not have Laine as a 30+ goal scoring threat. The habs had one line. If any team wanted to stop them, they just had to focus on the one line. When the Habs acquired Laine, what habs fans were excited about was to see another potential 30+ goals, a new scoring threat, a more complete top 6 and a talented player like Laine in the fold.
We never compared Laine and Matthews.
Dach and Laine make a significant difference, but laine is likely out long term and Dach's potential is there but he hasn't stayed healthy enough to go into the season and definitively say, he will play to his potential.
Additionally, when we said 35+ goals we were just referring to Laine's production. Dach's production was not considered the idea was to have 2 goal scoring threats in Cole Caufield and Patrik Laine on separate lines and on the PP
Leafs won the game 2 to 1 bro.lol
Matt needs to find a new hobby
LOL @ Laine and the Habs!
Pare is making a turn!
that 4th line is sick
Reaves will be taking care of wifi oct 9th.Play with the bull get the horns.
@walter-rp6fc well, the last time they faced each other, Xhekaj held his own against him and took Reaves down. So, not sure what you mean by "taking care of wifi"
I agree with Dave!
get real dave 4:26
Dave you are completely wrong on every point your making.
Constructive criticism! Love it haha
Dave is right
Pare drops his knee on Laine’s knee Dave, look at it again.
Pare admits to purposely sticking his knee to stop Laine, said he couldn’t just let him into there zone!😡 he told this to Snake on RDS! What a joke!
The guy dug his skate into the ice.... get real.
If it was Matthews, leafs fans would be demanding Montreal banned from the league. Don't kid yourself.
matthews is smarter than to try and skate between 2 players with his legs spread out like that, it's called hockey IQ, laine clearly spending too much time playing ea sports games and not enough knowing what not to do, multiple injuries have taught this kid nothing, hopefully this one teaches him this is the wrong league and he goes and sells cars for a living
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I totally agree with Vito, were back to square one. I was thinking of the term in the mix and felt that we were closer but now the mix feels more of being for the 1st overall pick.
not sure if the Habs are in bottom 5 territory again, but they are one or two more injuries away from another long season.
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@@GETPUCKDPodcast was feeling so bummed out yesterday of course was seeing dark and feeling that we will be in for another long season. Keep it up guys, love your channel always tunning in :)
Matt Mandel is right i totally agree with him.
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So the Leafs had an AHL team and still beat the Habs!
Does 3-1 mean anything to you?
Just bcoz you are a montreal fan,
Yes! yes we are, but even a good portion of your fellow leafs fans have stated that it was a bad play by Paré
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dirty hit and Pare is a coward
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Vito Rizzutto... gg
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Good show guys,
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4 to 6 weeks min.
Again, hoping for the best, but the way his knee bent, we wouldn't be surprised if it were much longer than that.
given the circumstances, 4-6 weeks would actually be good news
ltir he goes
We hope not, but sadly this is likely the case
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Dirty accidentally intentional knee on knee hit. If this was hockey play then why this doesn’t happens more during practices or scrimmages. Pray for speedy recovery for both Laine and David Reinbacher, God help us!!
Par was standing still.
I think they need to get rid of pre-season Games within the division. Even if its not cost-effective. When rival teams Play each other, you see more dirty Play.
Completely agree
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Montreal is SO SOFT lol🤕🤕🤕
2500 he got fined guys
ya! the news came out just after we recorded and uploaded.
Honestly, what he did was the right move, but had he gotten a suspension, we wouldn't have been surprised. He is a bit lucky to have been given just a fine. The whole team should pool some money to pay for it
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@@GETPUCKDPodcast I thought he held back on Pare tho.
Ive watched the hit several times and when the Leafs player shifts his weight while Laine is trying to split the D, You can clearly see the Leafs player sticks his knee out. Question for the GET PuckD Podcast. With Laine most likely out for the season Montreal will have about 19 million in cap space due to Laine and Price on LTIR, Do think Hughes and Gorton will look to bring in another top 6 forward?
Well, they won't have cap space, but they will be able to go over the cap by 19.5 million. It will depend on how long Laine is out for. If there is a strong chance that he comes back before the season, then it would be wise to avoid going over the cap beyond Carey Price's contract.
The last thing that Hughes and Gorton should do is make a panic move. They will likely stay the course and see what they have in Kapanen and see if Roy can step up.
There is not denying that this is a big loss for the Habs, but they really should be careful to jump into anything. The Habs are not a Stanley cup team yet where they are 1-2 pieces away. Acquiring Laine was more of a "it's time to take the next step and thank the existing players" type of move.
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They start squared up then laine changes to moves down the middle between 2 leafs and pare leans into the middle to close the gap as a reaction to Lanie sudden change. when he leans to the middle Pare's knee bends as it would any time you shift your weight from one side to the other. Laine legs are so far apart, its not possible for him to fit between the 2 leaf players without contact or closing his stance. Laine maintains a wide stance the whole time he is moving between the 2 leafs
The difference in skill and hockey IQ is the reason Laine is injured. Ditch the preseason.
I’m a leaf fan and this absolutely kills me, I was actually really excited for Montreal and Patrick to have a new start, I think he’s a great player and this play was just a fluke play, both of there stances were already out, it just sucks that it was a nobody that put him out, and if that was Matthews I would be pissed aswell so I do get it, it’s a tough play to call but let’s not get stupid about it, he didn’t stick he’s knee out he’s legs were already wide and so was Patrick’s, he probably should of let him go by but there was just no room, I hope he’s ok because I really want him to do good for you guys, to be honest I’ve never even heard of this guy lol, not even sure where he came from, I think the preseason should be more for the kids to see how the do
We love this comment, and we agree with you on all of it. Whether you're a Habs fan or a Leafs fan, the injuries that are starting to pile up against star players during the pre-season just hurts the overall game and league. People pay to watch the star players, the storylines, the rivalries, and so on.
Obviously, we are not leafs fans, but we acknowledge and know how talented Matthews is, he is good for NHL and USA hockey. When he scores a goal against the Habs, we want to boo him and hate him, but we understand and see his talent. If someone injured him, it's bad for the sport.
The Laine storyline with the Habs was/is one of the few storylines we were most excited for. So, it's understandable that Habs fans are upset and discouraged.
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