Jim Jeffries -vs- Gus Ruhlin, San Francisco 11/15/1901 (Rare Film Restoration)
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James J. Jeffries vs Gus Ruhlin
World Heavyweight Championship
Mechanic's Pavilion, San Francisco, California
November 15, 1901
Muteoscope Film Restoration
The Champion
"Few boxing champions have been so revered in their time, and so dismissed by history as Jim Jeffries, Undefeated Heavyweight Champion 1899-1905. He was perhaps the first post bare-knuckle champion who showed that even gloved boxing could be brutal and explosive." 
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A prime Jeff would have been tough for any fighter and any era. Amazing athlete along with brute strength and endurance
well said
No.
Sam Langford 🥊
This is so beautiful to watch James J Jeffries was an all time great!
Fantastic !! Thanks. Finally get to see Jeffries doing his thing during his prime. Very enlightening to watch. Old school boxing !!
It's a big difficult to gather Jeffries style from this fight. As i think he purposely carried his left low to invite in Ruhlin who i'm sure Jim gathered couldn't hurt him. It's an utter shame we don't have Fitz vs Jeffries as that would tell so much more. Jeffries is so much faster on his feet than people realized. By the time he fought Johnson he had utterly no foot movement at all. To me i always thought Judging Jeffries vs Johnson, would be like having only one surviving Ali fight available to witness. It's the Ali vs Larry Holmes fight and you based all your assumptions on that one film. Jeffries was every bit as faded as Ali was at that point, neither had any tune up fight, and both Ali & Jeffries didn't have even close to their normal footwork.
Well said. Couldent agree more
Jeffries steps in with terrific power in the left to the body. Hands low allows for that force. Yes, you can throw a lead to the head when the hands are down, but he's gonna make you pay!
@@marymartin165 hands low is not a defensive detriment ..his head is over his rear foot and if he uses his REAR hand to parry or block lead hooks hes ok...the right would come from so far away he has time to shoulder roll or bob under it ! you dont wanna use a high guard cuz then you will take away your both hands to block and give the initiative away!
The portrayal of Jeffries in the Ken Burns film about Jack Johnson is reprehensible. He is seen as a slightly clownish figure and the "dastardly white man" of the average left-winger's wet dream. But Jeff was by all accounts, including Johnson's, a great man and the best fighter of his generation. When he took on a match fit Johnson in 1910, he had been 5 long years out of the ring. And had been over 100 pounds overweight, and as anyone who loses a lot of weight in a short time knows, that along zaps you of a considerable amount of strength.
***** Jeffries didn't draw the color line. He had fought black men in the past. He didn't fight Johnson b/c Johnson wasn't a prime contender when Jeff retired. In fact, there were no more contenders to fight period.
***** Jeffries say in his autobio, published during his career, that it mad e no difference if the champion was black or white as long as he lived straight and fought clean. Read Jim Carney Jr.'s bio on Jeffries to get a clearer picture of Jeff, Johnson and the fight game at the time.
The last quote you are using was after his effective retirement - after the 2nd Corbett fight - where Jeff had no desire no fight anyone anymore except the braggart Monroe who needed to be taught a lesson. Again, Johnson was a marginal contender at the time.
Denver Ed was never a serious contender. An "unknown" as Jeff labels him in your own quote. He had been KO 2x by Jeffries victim Bob Armstrong who was also a Negro.
In your 1st quote Jeff sounds non-plussed about the validity of the Negro challengers and w/ good reason. To think he was scared of Johnson or anyone else is ludicrous. Johnson can think or say he was entitled all day long, (why wouldn't he?) but it won't change the fact that Jeff was under no obligation to fight a 16-3-6 fighter who wouldn't reach his peak until 1906.
To reinterate, Jeff fought all the black fighters of any worth during his career. He said and did some things in his life that are considered racist today, and some other things that are considered progressive. Johnson (& McVey) didn't gain serious contender status until 1906. Your quotes are interesting and I have never seen them before. Please tell me how/where you found them.
***** What you still don't seem to be able to get your head around is that Jeffries either beat all the good black fighters of his day, or they simply weren't in the same era. Why do you insist on feeling that Jeff should have defended against an 8-2-0 McVey? Why do you insist on feeling he had to fight 16-3-6 Johnson who lost to Marvin Hart who was also not a true contender at the time? This is like saying Marciano had to fight Patterson to prove his worth, or Calzaghe should have fought Andre Ward. Duran & Pryor lightweight careers overlap some, but it doesn't mean Duran ducked Pryor or anybody else. They simply didn't fight b/c Duran was on his way out as Pryor was coming up but not quite ready yet. Just stupid nonsense! You know all about race, but you know little about boxing. Put away the newspaper clippings and read a book.
***** Please explain why McVey, Johnson, and Martin were viable contenders in 1904. Use facts.
dammbleth2 A fighter has to be worthy in order to be ducked.
Amazing that this footage exists.
115 years ago mmm wow
119 now....damn can’t believe 2017 was 4 years ago already
everyone in this video is dead. this is literally time travel
Not even close to what was in the ring against johnson, wish they had fought when Jeffries was champ.
Blame Jeffries for that, as he drew the so called "Color line" and refused to fight Johnson, simply because he was African American, until he couldn't use the excuse anymore. In addition, Jefferies himself said that he would not had been able to beat Johnson, even in his prime.
Clint Morris I believe
Jeffries offers to fight said something like Let’s go in the cellar lock it from the inside and whoever walks out is better Jack didn’t do it
@@mdnoy40estuchae When he said that, he was about aged 40 or slightly older, he said that after Johnson's defeat to Willard, he could of been showing respect to Johnson after his final fall by humbling himself.
@@mdnoy40estuchae Yup, and Johnson said the same about Jefferies. Johnson as getting beat by the likes of Marvin Hart the year Jeffries retired but you are right. Jefferies probably wouldn't have fought him because of his colour.
Wasn't Johnson so young when Jeffries was at his peak?
I love seeing these old school boxing videos. I know this might sound weird, but as I was watching I couldn't help but think of how everyone in this film is dead. It's just kind of eerie. Anyways, it's nice to see Jeffries in action. Before youtube, I had only read of him and the stance he used in a book called Championship Street Fighting by Ned Beaumont. It covered many former champions from back in these days.
Jeffries was a primitive version of George Chuvalo. He relied almost entirely on his left hand.
1:17 Jeffrey's Uppercuts Then Crowds And Muffled The Attack From His Opponent,Now If You Go Watch Lomachenko Vs Rigondioex You Will See Lomachenko Do The Exact Same Thing,Listen To Your Granddad Boxing Was Better Back In The Day
This is great to see. I find their styles and the way they fought to be very interesting. Lots of clinches.. Jefferies trying to impose his strength in the clinches.. wearing Ruhlin down.Ruhlin trying to get his right in.. Jefferies always pressing forward. Jefferies not in his crouch. After the first knockdown.. when Ruhlin gets back on his feet, Jefferies just misses a brutal left hook. Looks like it hits Ruhlin's shoulder. Quite a few short punches thrown and you see Jefferies using his right.. or trying to from time to time. My take on the whole Johnson Jefferies thing.. if Jefferies had fought Johnson in 03 or 04.. I feel he would have won. If Marvin Hart could get a decision over Johnson.. then you have to give Jefferies at minimum the same ability. If Jeff stayed active and was still fighting and met Johnson in 1910.. I give the fight to Johnson. Johnson was at or near his prime.. and no way Jeff lasts 45 rounds. Age takes it's toll.Even if Johnson had been white.. I don't think Jefferies would have fought him. After he lost to Hart there was no great call for them to meet. As a matter of fact there was no great public or sporting outcry to have Jefferies meet Hart who got the decision. I think both men were great fighters (Johnson and Jefferies) I love Jack's style and uppercut. I love Jefferies ruggedness and gameness. One can be a fan of both men without doing either a disservice.The mistakes Jefferies made in his 1910 comeback in my humble opinion: 1. agrees to a 45 round fight in the desert and at altitude.2. No tune up fights after a 6 year layoff.3. Sparred with only older fighters he had beaten before. 4. ethical and moral reasons for taking the fight flawed. ( race and probably money)5. Did not have true desire to be the champion again.. would have retired immediately afterward if he happened to win. 6. Did not listen to his better judgment or the advice of friends to stay retired.My view on Johnson. It's not Jack's fault that had to fight an old Jefferies.. this should not be held against him no more than Holmes battering Ali. Jack was willing to fight Jim in his prime and risk a loss. Jack had friendships with Corbett, Sullivan and Fitzsimmons. I think he would have welcomed a friendship with Jefferies, but Jeff for whatever reason wasn't having it which I think is a shame. They could have made even more money... ha ha ha.
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Good points and I largely agree. My only disagreement being that I don't think Johnson had friendly relations with Jim Corbett. From accounts of the Johnson Jeffries fight I've read that Corbett, (who was in Jeff's corner), spent much of the fight taunting Johnson and trying to goad him into a slugging match with Jeffries. Corbett, "Let yourself go Johnson" - Johnson," I can't Jim, I'm clever like you". And from what I've read that was one of the milder exchanges.
@@COBBETT1215 I agree..Corbett did try to distract and annoy Johnson with his taunts during the fight. I am not sure any grudge was held afterward. I think Johnson probably figured it was Corbett being Corbett.
@@elgato9445 You're probably right. Johnson was a bright guy and seemed to react very philosophically to all the racial hostility.
@@COBBETT1215 Sullivan never cared much for jack either. Sam on the other hand.
Studying size ratios of Jeffries while fighting an opponent as well as looking at some other footage and pics, sometimes it does appear like Jeffries is close to 220lbs but sometimes it appears as if he's around 200lbs?
+crawlFace He was a huge guy for the times, around 220.
George Havenhand
Thanks for the input. For some reason I've just been notified of your reply now.
Cheers-
He weighed between 206 and 227 from ‘99-10.
Jeff was a beast
Jeffries would have been a handful for any heavyweight from any era. Make it a fifteen round fight and i think jeff would have fought at a brisker pace. Not the greatest of all time but rough and tough to the max.
+joegould I agree. He would be a tough fight for any heavyweight. If he was around now he would be close to the top of the rankings and I could see him outlasting and knocking out Wlad given the right circumstances. He was tough as nails and had infinite stamina. His training regimen would be way too much for any modern fighter and would literately kill the average person, even someone who works out. He was the first of note to use an effective crouch for defense and setting up offense. His name should be up there with Dempsey, Marciano, Patterson, Frazier, Tyson. all who used the squat crouch style. Tua and Morrison too although they never were official lineal champions.
It's nice to hear from a knowledgeable fan. Jeff was a great fighter and man. I love how he ran 'the jeffries barn' in his retirement. Tex Rickard always said he was better and hit harder than Dempsey.
+joegould I would like see a prime Jeffries vs the Roy Jones who beat Ruiz. I have no idea who'd win; I can see it going either way.
+sj t Jeffries would have fought at a much brisker pace had his fights been scheduled for 'only' fifteen rounds. I'll admit RJ's was great but against a prime Jeff in a scheduled fifteen rounder he would have not lasted the distance. The modern myth that guys today are better overall than the oldtimers is laughable
Read Mike Silvers book 'the arc of boxing'....great book.
@@joegould4829 ya but rickerd hated dempsey . I dont think he hit harder but he was stronger and better conditioned. That would have bein some fight right there.
If Dempsey was the precursor to Frazier and Tyson, then Jeffries was the precursor to Marciano.
Wow
They sure weren't big on throwing combos back then.
Ive seen bigfoot footage less blurry than this
i dont think bigfoot was recorded in 1900's like this
Low hands invite a lead to the head. But he makes you pay with terrific left to the body.
they dont invite leads to the head ..if you parry and or shoulder roll etc..high hands invite body shots hooks to the temple and gives the opponent an intiative !
No tendrás combates españoles
WHAT ?
Will be always remembered as a coward, not capable to take a real challenge.
Shove your coward crap up your coward ass.
Which one is which??
You are correct!
if jeffries fought ali with his left at his side like that i dont think he would have much of a face left after 15 rounds
+Wayne Thompson These guys and most of the others in this era were horrible boxers compared to today. They wouldn't last one round with Ali, Tyson, et all.
+Snivelin J ...ROLMAO...If ignorance is bliss.....you are ONE happy fella. A truly embarrassing comment.
+joegould If you think the boxers of that era could compete these days, you are absolutely delusional, and should clear your mind and compare the eras. There are plenty of vids to do so.
+Snivelin J
I agree that modern fighters are more skilled. Still, it is fun to compare boxers from different eras and in different stages of their careers. For example, who do you think would win between the Dempsey who beat Willard vs. the Ali who lost to Spinks? Assume it's a 12-rd fight.
+sj t The result would be the same. Dempsey was the best of his era, but fighting the way he did against Ali the way he did, he would have no chance of beating Ali. Ali would be too big, too fast, too evolved for Dempsey to handle. The vids clearly make that evident. BTW, I shook hands and talked briefly with Dempsey in his restaurant years ago. He was a total gentleman.
Klass Voxing
How is merely adjusting the brightness considered to be a 'restoration.'?
too much clinch.
I don’t understand all the fan fare regarding Jeffries…….how great he was, How he was such a physical specimen…. (The boilermaker)…. A fears fighting machine.. the man had about 20 career fights….beat 180 lbs Corbett, a 45 year old 165 lbs bob fitzsimmons….I mean, who did he fight other than tough as nails Sharkey?.. I’ve always said it, styles make fights an Jeffries was tailor made for Johnson.. if that fight was held in 1901 or 1905, the result would have been the same.. Johnson by knock out
I admire the old timers, but much of their styles were sooo wrong. The jab, a fundamental punch, is lacking in many of these old timers and this includes Jack Johnson.
The jab in those days was only just invented. Jack Johnson used the jab very well against Stan Ketchell imo
depends on the fighter like always, watch joe jeannette vs sam langford
Jack Johnson in his prime would have beaten Jeffries in 1901, 1905, 1910, Jeffries himself said after the fight in 1910 that he could never beat Johnson even in his prime.....
It would have been a better fight than the one in 1910, that's for sure. Johnson said he threw the Willard fight, and he clearly did not. Fighters say things to cover their losses. My guess is Jeffries said what he said to excuse his loss to Johnson. He later said his water was drugged. No one in his right mind would expect a man who was out of the ring for 5 years, no tune up fights, lost 100 pounds, and fighting in broad sunlight and 100 degrees to fight very well. Yet he lasted 15 rounds. If you look at the fight, he wasn't knocked down, he sat down, exhausted.
@@ishatype2764 well. i respectfully disagree, i still think Johnson would have beaten Jeffries whether they fought in 1901, 1905, etc.. styles make fights and that Jeffries crouching style would never work against Johnson.. not too mention, yes Jeffries lost over 100 lbs, but he had achieved that 11 months before the fight, almost a year.....
You're doing your best to upset white boxing lovers HAHAHAH
@@jahno7154 lol lol lol
For completeness of information, Johnson said that Jeffries in his prime would have beaten him. And it's very likely so, since Johnson was losing to weaker guys than Jeffries in 1903-1904. Sorry if this doesn't fit the race-baiting narrative
put Jeffries up agianst lennox holyfield marciano klitchsko he would beat them all
Leo Davies lmao they would pummel the 5'10" 225lbs slow ass brawler
Lmao! You are delusional if not blind
He may have been champion, but he certainly looked like a plodding Herman Munster out there to me. My guess is someone like Tunney would have given him the same beating that Johnson gave him--and perhaps worse. Peck the statue until his face gets raw. He was a football player-type with boxing gloves on. After 1925 or so, EVERY champion would have probably destroyed Jeffries, except perhaps a draw with Carnera, who was a larger version of Jeffries; and, maybe Baer if he got careless or watched chicks in the first row. Really slow gets killed every time in boxing at the championship level, unless the occasional lucky KO punch. Jeffries is so disappointing on many levels in these films, for the exception of his great weight loss in 1910. On the bright side, it looks like Jeffries could have been a fine linebacker in the NFL today.
gotta understand what your watching better!
Slow? That I do not see.
Head in your Ass...
Skipped your whole babbling rant after two lines. Go find another hobby. You SuckSaltySeagullShit at this.
You can't compare the style of boxing then to today's modern style. Remember, Jeffries was just 10 or so years after bare knuckle boxing and 75 round fights. They trained for endurance and taking a beating. Put Ali in a ring, outside on grass, bare knuckles, London Prize Ring Rules, with a prime John L Sullivan. Boom boom, out go the lights. Even Ali as Clay wouldn't last 10 rounds. Imagine how he'd be after 75 rounds?
Another SNOREFEST from an ERA that had NOTHING but SNOREFESTS. Most of these guys from Sullivan-Williard did NOTHING but throw 4,5,6 punches a round and HOLD endlessly, and that INCLUDES Jack Johnson as well. It was only when Dempsey came into the ring that we see the 1st truly KILLER INSTINCT fighter, and a man that had a real exciting style. Most of these SO CALLED greats, would not last today with a fine AMATEUR. Jeffries an all time GREAT???? Then I'm better than Mike TYSON,what B.S
Your talking a load of bollocks. If the fight were snorefests why did they fight in front of huge packed crowds. If all the modern greats fought in the early days of boxing they would be fighting exactly the same way as seen in this video.
Deagledrumzz ....not Wills, Langford, Jeanette....Harry Wills and Joe Jeanette fought a fight that lasted 7 hours.....SEVEN HOURS....TO A DRAW....
Deagleberries...
Why don't you shut up?
Two bums!!!!!
Jefferies is the goat 8n his era he would wipe that chin of lennox Lewis and Muhammad Ali
@@leodavies9383 So why was he scared to fight Jack Johnson at his peak, doesn't sound like a champ to me.
@@jahno7154 < port-a-jahn
Interestingly enough, Nat Fleischer a 70 yr. Veteran of the Sport, picked Jim Jeffries as the GOAT!! He DID Know a Thing or Two and his Opinion is considerable.
120+ years ago. The older I get 120 doen't seem like that much time. However, what makes 1901 seem like a long time ago is that the world and technology have moved so fast in the this last 120 years. Its gone from horse and buggy to billionaires manufacturing their own space craft to fly to distant planets.