I bought a set of 3038 pro comp heads for my 351, I was happy with them, I raced the car for 9 years changed valve springs every 3 years, I was a happy camper, I'm pretty sure Liberty are Chinese heads just like procomp.
Looking to build a budget non roller 351w.. what kinda power are you making? I was thinking of using stock 351 crank/rods, 302 pistons, 210cc aluminum heads, linkable lifters, still gotta figure a good cam for fox body with t-5 and 3.73 rear gears. I'm looking to make 400ish hp. Any recommendations?
Those castings look very familiar to me. Look very similar to the heads that came on my BluePrint stroker. They also look similar to the AFR Enforcer series castings and the Assault bare heads I got from the well know auction site.
I used liberty heads on my last build and made 720hp on a 383W ford I did some port work and added a 2.08 intake. I did the bowl work and much more. I had about $1500 in them when I got through doing all the work myself but everyone doesn’t have a friend that owns a machine shop.
One thing that i have learned over the years is to not skimp on heads, you can skimp in other areas but buy a brand name head like AFR, Trick Flow, etc.
Stock '87-'95 Mustang 5.0 were not 9.5 compression. Thet were 9.0. The E7TE heads are usually listed around 64cc, not 60 like those. So the compression will be bumped up. Ther are a lot of companies that make aluminum SBF heads; Ford Racing, Dart, Brodix, ProMaxx, Flotek, ProComp [Speedmaster], Blueprint, Bill Mitchell & Summit all have their own.
Googled Liberty heads. Made in Taiwan. Better off porting and upgrading you cast iron ones. I am sure the valves, springs, valve guides will be trouble down the road. Maybe ok for a daily driver and not a lot of stress or high rpm's.
Are you though? Haven't used them but as someone that works in a machine shop I'm so much happier when something is made in Taiwan than PRC. Look at KC tools , sp tools and kabo etc. Theirs nothing wrong with Taiwanese stuff in my opinion I raced world championship bmx on a Taiwanese made frame. I'm now fat AF middle aged and jump a Taiwanese made bike and still haven't bent it. Taiwan vs PRC quality is a big difference. I've had to surface so many Chinese intake manifolds and have had porosity in casting and coolant in the runner within a couple years more times than I can talk about. I don't mind doing Chinese heads but send me them bare and I'll assemble them with good springs and valves.
@@hayden6056 Thanks for your input and insight on this. Very good info. Appreciate hearing from someone that has worked with them and shares real life experience.
@@msk3905 maybe they made new ones but according to flow numbers etc I prefer the brodix heads and they are made local to me they makes some really good stuff and I have used afr and TF heads also
Trickflow and afr make a very nice street / strip head . If you’re looking for all out power for a drag car look at cfe proking , blue thunder 4.3 , yates c3 / d3 or edelbrock glidden victor / sc1
Just subscribed! Thanks for the information. I bought a set of Speedmaster for a big block Chevy in putting in my Camaro so I'm hoping they are decent heads. There are so many mixed reviews. Can't wait to see it in the Mustang!
I have a set of 180 floteks and good head for the price. I plan on removing them and doing some porting, not really hogging out, just mostly bowl blend to runners. I saw they have a new 185 head and they out perform the old ones a bit according to there site
Hi, take those 302 pistons and have your machinist fly cut the valve relief bigger. Let him know those 2.02 valves are hitting the top of your piston valve relief. Gary
Nice heads! Actually they wouldn't look better in direct sunlight. Direct sunlight is harsh and it's difficult to get things to look right in direct sunlight.
@@frankrizzo3922 Summit sells an upgraded letter cams. They call add a "plus" to the Ford name. Richard Holdener did a video on them. His test motor had BluePrint heads which are very similar to your Liberty heads. The video is entitled " HOW TO MAKE 5.0L FORD POWER! FORD RACING E303 VS NEW SUMMIT E303 PLUS-IS THE E303+ REALLY BETTER? "
I bought a set of Speedmaster/Procomp small block Mopar heads. They are pretty much rubbish. Very poor casting quality, mainly around valve seats (core shift). Valve seat throats were too big at 94% leaving no extra material for re-cutting the valve seats. Guides were too large making the valve fit loose. Guys, dont be stupid like me. Save up a bit more and buy something decent.
Dont forget the inserts fall out first rev and the valves and retainers are at best average, And springs break.That is before the bowls are bad and so are the seats.
Yeah I’ve seen a guy with a set of those for a sbf and they flowed worst then the stock gt40 heads, about the same as e7’s, lol. He did tremendous amounts of work to make them flow. I don’t know about these though.
lol there was no cobra jet version stock LXand GT 5.0s with EFI was 225hp 300lbft of torque Amd on 1993 they made the 5.0 Cobras which had GT40 heads and cobra GT40” intake woth a 65 mm throttle body 1.72 crane roller rockers made 235 hp Amd 285 lbft of torque.
@@jackrabbit7389 I'm actually working on an 86 ford 302 out of a truck so no roller cam. I'm not into rollers because of too many moving parts. i have opted for a normal 4 barrel intake and a 600 Holley. i am thinking about doing up a set of 289 heads with bigger valves . it will also boost compression with the 60 cc chambers. That should put some shit in my shorts.... .
@@russriley3005 Roller lifters have less friction & you don't have to worry about breaking in the cam like a flat tappet. The roller lifters in my '85 GT, '89 GT & '92 F150 are all still fine.
There was no "Cobra Jet" in '86. The '86 5.0 Mustang was rated at 200HP, not 185. '85 (1st year for roller cam/last year for carburetor) was rated at 210. '87-'92 was rated at 225. '93 was rated at 215 & '93 SVT Cobra was rated at 235.
I have an intake from an 86 ford mustang. that is what the serial numbers state. it also has cobra logo on it. I also have another that is identical but has no cobra mark, so you are probably right about that
Looking to build a budget non roller 351w.. what kinda power are you making? I was thinking of using stock 351 crank/rods, 302 pistons, 210cc aluminum heads, linkable lifters, still gotta figure a good cam for fox body with t-5 and 3.73 rear gears. I'm looking to make 400ish hp. Any recommendations?
I bought a set of 3038 pro comp heads for my 351, I was happy with them, I raced the car for 9 years changed valve springs every 3 years, I was a happy camper, I'm pretty sure Liberty are Chinese heads just like procomp.
yes they are
They look exactly like ProComp heads.
Looking to build a budget non roller 351w.. what kinda power are you making? I was thinking of using stock 351 crank/rods, 302 pistons, 210cc aluminum heads, linkable lifters, still gotta figure a good cam for fox body with t-5 and 3.73 rear gears. I'm looking to make 400ish hp. Any recommendations?
Those look identical to the blueprint as cast heads I run on my 331. I put down 368hp 398tq at the rear wheels.
kool. all we had in Oz were Clevos from 1969/70 until 1981 ish.
Those castings look very familiar to me. Look very similar to the heads that came on my BluePrint stroker. They also look similar to the AFR Enforcer series castings and the Assault bare heads I got from the well know auction site.
Seem to be pretty nice heads so far....
They are exactly like PROMAXX 185 heads. I heard that’s what the afrs are.
Thats because Speedmaster copies quality US parts and molds them in China using crappy molds and crappy materials. You get what you pay for.
@@danmyers9372some of that Chinese shit works though.
I used liberty heads on my last build and made 720hp on a 383W ford I did some port work and added a 2.08 intake. I did the bowl work and much more. I had about $1500 in them when I got through doing all the work myself but everyone doesn’t have a friend that owns a machine shop.
One thing that i have learned over the years is to not skimp on heads, you can skimp in other areas but buy a brand name head like AFR, Trick Flow, etc.
Exactly msk3905. We have to stop buying this Chinese junk.
I’ll check em out
Stock '87-'95 Mustang 5.0 were not 9.5 compression. Thet were 9.0. The E7TE heads are usually listed around 64cc, not 60 like those. So the compression will be bumped up.
Ther are a lot of companies that make aluminum SBF heads; Ford Racing, Dart, Brodix, ProMaxx, Flotek, ProComp [Speedmaster], Blueprint, Bill Mitchell & Summit all have their own.
Googled Liberty heads. Made in Taiwan. Better off porting and upgrading you cast iron ones. I am sure the valves, springs, valve guides will be trouble down the road. Maybe ok for a daily driver and not a lot of stress or high rpm's.
Are you though? Haven't used them but as someone that works in a machine shop I'm so much happier when something is made in Taiwan than PRC.
Look at KC tools , sp tools and kabo etc.
Theirs nothing wrong with Taiwanese stuff in my opinion I raced world championship bmx on a Taiwanese made frame.
I'm now fat AF middle aged and jump a Taiwanese made bike and still haven't bent it. Taiwan vs PRC quality is a big difference.
I've had to surface so many Chinese intake manifolds and have had porosity in casting and coolant in the runner within a couple years more times than I can talk about.
I don't mind doing Chinese heads but send me them bare and I'll assemble them with good springs and valves.
@@hayden6056 Thanks for your input and insight on this. Very good info. Appreciate hearing from someone that has worked with them and shares real life experience.
Don Garlits is awesome
Just put the 210 runner , 63 chamber on my old fox wity f cam and ford mororsprts lifter elgin 1.6 roller rockers
promaxx heads are also a good budget option.
I’d bet anything those are promax 185 heads.
Brodix makes the best head for the sbf imo does depend on what power goal u have
What no way the best SBF heads are either Trick Flow or AFR
@@msk3905 maybe they made new ones but according to flow numbers etc I prefer the brodix heads and they are made local to me they makes some really good stuff and I have used afr and TF heads also
@@shadetreeracer3715 Brodix are well made heads but Trick Flow and AFR are very well made, flow better and outperform Brodix in every test I’ve seen.
Trickflow and afr make a very nice street / strip head . If you’re looking for all out power for a drag car look at cfe proking , blue thunder 4.3 , yates c3 / d3 or edelbrock glidden victor / sc1
Chi 3v I'm a big fan of
Your name is really Frank Rizzo? Im subscribing just for that!
Just subscribed! Thanks for the information. I bought a set of Speedmaster for a big block Chevy in putting in my Camaro so I'm hoping they are decent heads. There are so many mixed reviews. Can't wait to see it in the Mustang!
What are the flow numbers on these heads with those big valves?
Bad ass heads and a Ford letter cam to choke back the potential flow?
How did they turn out?
One year later how are these heads working out?!?
Comes with a Harbor Freight warranty!
i was thinking of trying the Flo Teks but haven't completely made up my mind yet.
I have a set of 180 floteks and good head for the price. I plan on removing them and doing some porting, not really hogging out, just mostly bowl blend to runners. I saw they have a new 185 head and they out perform the old ones a bit according to there site
Hi, take those 302 pistons and have your machinist fly cut the valve relief bigger. Let him know those 2.02 valves are hitting the top of your piston valve relief. Gary
I like affordable heads but not Chinese one. Where is Liberty making these heads please?
Taiwan
Those heads on a factory,stock piston?? Better clay the motor, 2.02 will hit with a cam end no fly cutting.. Heads look good tho
Stock bottom end on mine f cam , no need for fly cut on mine I've seen some that did need it though
Blueprint 190cc is a good head also
Aeroflow in Australia are making Windsor heads
Nice 👍. Do you know what cam you're going to use?
One of the alphabet cams.... like E303, B303.. not exactly sure yet...
Nice heads! Actually they wouldn't look better in direct sunlight. Direct sunlight is harsh and it's difficult to get things to look right in direct sunlight.
@@frankrizzo3922 Summit sells an upgraded letter cams. They call add a "plus" to the Ford name. Richard Holdener did a video on them. His test motor had BluePrint heads which are very similar to your Liberty heads. The video is entitled " HOW TO MAKE 5.0L FORD POWER! FORD RACING E303 VS NEW SUMMIT E303 PLUS-IS THE E303+ REALLY BETTER? "
Vizard says alphabet cams are crap! I believe him, they have wide LSA.....
@@frankrizzo3922
David Vizard recommends LSAs significantly different.
Did you have to get different Push Rods for these heads? Are you running roller rockers and Stud mounts with guide plates?
Finest Chinesium know to man, hell they all are made there now, let me know how they hold up.
Arthur Morgan
Thanks!!!!
Frank Rizzo lmao.
Should I bring my F***** tools? I'm the best!
Lemme get those e7s..😂😂
I have a set in Houston.
I bought a set of Speedmaster/Procomp small block Mopar heads. They are pretty much rubbish. Very poor casting quality, mainly around valve seats (core shift). Valve seat throats were too big at 94% leaving no extra material for re-cutting the valve seats. Guides were too large making the valve fit loose. Guys, dont be stupid like me. Save up a bit more and buy something decent.
Yep,
I saved money for an extra year just to avoid buying cheaper Chinese junk.
Dart block and AFR Renegade heads FTW.
@@Turbo4Joe363 dart and for sure AFR sells china junk. Why don’t you research it, namely the afr enforcers and I bet others
Dont forget the inserts fall out first rev and the valves and retainers are at best average, And springs break.That is before the bowls are bad and so are the seats.
Yeah I’ve seen a guy with a set of those for a sbf and they flowed worst then the stock gt40 heads, about the same as e7’s, lol. He did tremendous amounts of work to make them flow. I don’t know about these though.
225 was the cobra jet, a regular mustang in 1986 was rated as 185hp
lol there was no cobra jet version stock LXand GT 5.0s with EFI was 225hp 300lbft of torque Amd on 1993 they made the 5.0 Cobras which had GT40 heads and cobra GT40” intake woth a 65 mm throttle body 1.72 crane roller rockers made 235 hp Amd 285 lbft of torque.
@@jackrabbit7389 I'm actually working on an 86 ford 302 out of a truck so no roller cam. I'm not into rollers because of too many moving parts. i have opted for a normal 4 barrel intake and a 600 Holley. i am thinking about doing up a set of 289 heads with bigger valves . it will also boost compression with the 60 cc chambers. That should put some shit in my shorts....
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@@russriley3005 Roller lifters have less friction & you don't have to worry about breaking in the cam like a flat tappet.
The roller lifters in my '85 GT, '89 GT & '92 F150 are all still fine.
There was no "Cobra Jet" in '86. The '86 5.0 Mustang was rated at 200HP, not 185. '85 (1st year for roller cam/last year for carburetor) was rated at 210. '87-'92 was rated at 225. '93 was rated at 215 & '93 SVT Cobra was rated at 235.
I have an intake from an 86 ford mustang. that is what the serial numbers state. it also has cobra logo on it. I also have another that is identical but has no cobra mark, so you are probably right about that
Speedmaster heads on EBAY, MASSIVE exhaust ports, massive valve sizes, they look f*************** gorgeous, nowhere near that cost. My 351w SCREAMS.
Looking to build a budget non roller 351w.. what kinda power are you making? I was thinking of using stock 351 crank/rods, 302 pistons, 210cc aluminum heads, linkable lifters, still gotta figure a good cam for fox body with t-5 and 3.73 rear gears. I'm looking to make 400ish hp. Any recommendations?
Did you have any machine work done to the new heads? What pistons/cam are you running? What kinda hp are you making?
In what world is 1300 dollars affordable
Do I have to buy different rocker arm and push rods to put these heads on.
What year is your engine? Most likely yes, those are for stud mount rockers. Ford 302/351W from '78 up were "pedestal mount" (bolt down) rockers.
Funny 😂
Looks like BPE heads
These heads are NO GOOD!!!
dam halfway into the video still dont know how much you pade couldt get to the ponint ?