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80% of kids who are diagnosed with dysphoria do outgrow it with puberty, that is a factual medical statement that is widely known in the relevant medical communities, so that clip being shown as evidence of misinformation on the show should be removed as it's right to say there are people who push nonsense on the show but that particular example isn't one.
I think it would be infinitely more interesting than play Joe Rogan bio. I mean everyone on RUclips nose Jose story. Almost feel upset knowing that Johnny wasted tons of time on a video like this when we could have gotten something so much more interesting..
@@turnitdownboog7191 Whether true or not, wtf does him being "massively bigoted" have to do with him allowing so many people on his show to speak their minds? wtf are you talking about?
I like how he roasts Alex Jones multiple times by saying hes doing all of this to sell his powder. Meanwhile this guy has a 2 minute nord vpn ad praising it and saying they are the best company ever. Soooo this video was only made to promote an ad and get paid? Theres no double standard here??
@@AngelicReaper25 The fact that Alex Jones has millions of followers is disturbing, no good can come from providing him with a platform which will amplify his craziness. Jones' followers will see his appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast as a validation of his idiocy. Instead of being relegated to the fringes, where he belongs, Jones and his followers feel empowered, emboldened by his appearance on popular venues. There are too many impressionable, gullible and stupid people these days, to believe that the truth will always win out.
@@ShakirahIbaad Listen to the recordings, "I Can Hear It Now / The Sixties" by Walter Cronkite, the contrast between how politicians spoke and the things they spoke about back then, compared to what they are like now is startling. Yes, politicians have always lied but not like they do today. If its true we get the government that we deserve, there's only one conclusion which can be drawn; as a society, we are in decline.
no. you challenge them. you fact check. you make questions and reveal the fault in the argument. you expose the dangers of that speech. because if you just let them speak hoping that they reveled themselves, somebody without that information, without the time to do that work, they believe and agree along. specially if the person talking is good at bending truths or presenting only the facts that supports them. that is why people with large platforms should be accountable for the voices they lend their platform to. and that's the problem with joe rogan.
Your comment was what I came to the comments for. Underrated comment! My first thought after hearing the OP say that was, "... and that's a bad thing?" Everyone deserves their chance to speak in the court of public opinion.
Video was quite good, up until this point. WTF honestly. Letting people talk is the exact thing we need to do. We shouldn't fight on the streets. We shouldn't bomb cities. We need to talk, and censoring people you deem "not worth to have a voice" is exactly what mainstream media is doing and why people are fed up with them.
Same, or a guest I have come to not like, I'll watch to get an unfiltered view of them, and over the years it's wild how much the media has contorted people going against their agenda.
Exactly right, in my opinion it's ironic that the blind spot, or the falacy seems to be with johnny harris himself, as he thinks that some people don't seem to deserve a platform, and suprisingly they are all right leaning, which is what a lot of liberals seem to think the fact that joe doens't seem to differentiate between left idiots and right idiots makes hime genuine, wheras johnny clearly has a hierachy in opinion, which ultimately clouds his mind as well.
They only expose themselves to people who aren't susceptible to their bullshit. Not everyone listening is thinking critically, which is why there needs to be push-back so insane conspiracy theories and outright lies aren't just spread unchecked. How many who agree with Joe about the silencing effect of "woke mobs" chuckled along with McInnes' story of assaulting protesters without considering how antithetical that is to free speech?
@@Pykenike1 That's so reductive it's like you didn't watch the video. Candace Owens is a right-winger, Harris praises the value of getting to listen to her just speak. The people he is most critical of being platformed aren't just right-leaning, they're far right, and in the case of Alex Jones they already have a platform they use to spread lies and batshit insane conspiracy theories. Having him on is just giving him a bigger platform. If Joe can draw the line at Trump, it's fair to ask why not people like Jones?
Except Joe clearly holds a right leaning bias currently, he just follows what's popular and that's popular at the moment. Just like how when Trump was president it was much more mainstream to be left leaning. It's all just bullshit noise distracting us from the real problems in our country,
To be clear, Joe Rogan was not standing up for Alec Jones. He actually came public and saying that Alex Jones has a psychological disorder and got into a big fight with him.
@@clydecash5659 Does Joe Rogan tell blatant lies, as Alex Jones did? When Jones told his followers that the Sandy Hook massacre was faked, with paid crisis actors and the like, he was presenting a fantastic lie from the very beginning, as is now very clear. Has Rogan ever done anything like that? We can accuse him of being too credulous, but not of lying.
@lopoa126 And some would argue he's good at boosting left wing propaganda. Like Johnny points out in this video, I think he's largely uninterested in one particular mind set.
he starts with "its good to have a platform for freedom of speech", and then goes to "anyone who disagrees with me is not a freedom of speech".. Johnny Harris is a joke, he is the same Woke Police he kept mentinoing about.
Everyone deserves the right to speak, it should be left to the individual to choose whether or not to agree, disagree or to be offended, no one should have to power to make this decision on our behalf.
This needs to be pinned. Johnny saying Joe "sells contrarianism" when Joe is the most prominent mainstream reactionary political channel on youtube had me rolling.
The whole point of Joe's show is to let people hear what certain people have to say. Not to promote that person's way of thinking but simply to show you that mentality exists. He lets the viewer/listener determine their opinion of the interviewed person. He will criticize certain things and challenge certain things but his whole point is to give the mic to someone and help guide the conversation. Are there people on his channel that I think are batshit crazy? Absolutely. Are there outside of the box people that make some good points? For sure. Are there controversial people on his show? Yes. That is the point of his show. Give everyone with voice a way to megaphone that voice. If the end result is that most people gain some kind of value from each conversation, he's doing his job.
Yep, seems par for the course. How DARE we platform people who have different ideas! How dangerous! :) I am glad that his amount of supporters show that reason is winning, and reason takes time, and discourse. People just want to be fed comfortable, simple answers that agree with them.
@@carpo719totally. Promoting anti-science cranks and conspiracy theorists and anti-trans hate is totally just being "too curious". Let's give these people as big of a microphone as possible as since these "free thinkers" has such "ground breaking" ideas for our society 😂
@carpo719 the whole point is its not about platforming people with differing opinions its about platforming people with EXTREME fringe opinions that are so beyond conspiracy that you can't possibly be informed on the topic enough to create any real "intelligent discourse" this entire thing is meant to create. I like Joe but not even just the conspiracy stuff I remember he believed a guy who said he ran a marathon with both his legs broken and would train everyday until something broke and would still get back up as if we are in a fucking anime because there is no real way to disagree with him other than "that's too crazy to be real" and he'll say "but it is real". "Wow!"
The problem isn't that that Rogan has different ideas. This video is a wildly incomplete and misleading representation of who Rogan is now. I was a big fan of JRE, this is not who he is anymore. He actively promotes and spreads misinformation. The people he gives a voice to are (more often than not) pseudo-scientists, transphobic conspiracy theorists, and self-proclaimed nazis. Rogan literally had a significant role in the promotion of anti-vax movements. If these are the "different" ideas you want out there, then yes, it IS dangerous.@@carpo719
@@thehatmaniac6958 Tom did a decent job of pointing out his flawed sources but he didn't debunk it completely. There is another youtuber named BadEmpanada who debunked that video properly
Johnny is really smart and great at telling stories. I respect him and appreciate his effort to spread what he believes is the truth. However let´s not forget that he has been criticized several times before by fellow youtubers and journalists for oversimplifying information and wrapping "facts" to his own personal views / thoughts, which might help with spreading misinformation. Seems to me that this video is a bit hypocritical tbh.
"I'm a journalist. Sharing fake facts is a cardinal sin" lmao Johnny's hypocrisy is showing up slowly day by day. Keep doing this Johnny, we'd like to see your true colour.
On his part, he did apologize and changed quite a few things including employing fact checkers. While Joe Rogan just nods his head while his guest tells lie after lie. Joe is mostly clueless.
I love how every time you said something negative about the show, you highlighted individuals he's interviewed who are right leaning or conservative. We get it! You're a liberal. You were a bit more obviously throwing shade than you probably meant to be
Joe Rogan is proof that sincerity reaches more audience than journalistic protocol. Edit: What I meant by "sincerity" is that he doesn't let someone else's agendas control what he says. And I know he is not a journalist. But established journalist outlets do seem to regard him as a competitor--which is why they seek to eliminate him.
He is sincere in the questions he asks, but not in his views and opinions So the best podcasts of his, are usually with the best guest speakers He is a good interviewer who lets his guest speakers shine, so that's good about him
The idea that joe Rogan is a some right wing extremist is absolutely insane, he actually pulled me towards the left to the point that I became a moderate democrat after being a republican. Now with the parties shifting so much recently I’m stranded in the middle, but Rogan was great for getting me away from being a right wing partisan. I’m thankful to Rogan for making me a more compassionate balanced person. He’s number 1 for a reason
@@circusbrains hes spot on dude. Did you not just watch the video? The words came right out of his mouth dude it’s amazing how some people can deny the truth when it’s right in front of them.
It honestly surprises me that Johnny didn't already know this about Rogan, he's an absolute powerhouse. He doesn't care who you are or where you're from, he'll be polite and respectful to anyone who just wants to have a talk.
weird he hasn’t had an actual Egyptologist, or any lefty’s not the usual reactionaries who criticizes liberal and democrats type. Hasn’t had Abby Hoffman in ages too.
@@AloisWeimar you automatically jump to the conclusion that he doesn't have those people on because he doesn't want to have them on. what if he invites them but they decline the invitation? or their management declines on their behalf? or they overlook the invite in their inbox? or they have conflict of interests? or they know they would be caught in i a lie in a long format, live broadcasted show?
Of course he doesn't care who you are or where you're from because you'll generate money for him if you're interesting enough. If there's one thing JR loves it's money, money, money
I feel like a lot of the comments are misunderstanding the main argument of the video. It’s not that Joe Rogan shouldn’t be allowed to have any guest he wants on the show - he should and the video admits it is a constitutional right to speak freely. Rather, it is not productive or good that Joe Rogan invites guests who actively lie and spread harmful misinformation on his show. The idea that “open discourse and free speech will weed out bad and harmful ideas naturally” is nice in theory, but realistically the people listening are not fact checking as they listen, or have the knowledge background to debunk lies. Listening with an open mind means making yourself vulnerable to seductive stories and convenient lies, which is why truthful reporting is such a valuable resource. It’s not always so easy to distinguish what is true or false, and Joe giving relative legitimacy to each of his guests makes that process even more difficult. JRE can still have a variety of guests with diverse views while being a bit more selective with who he invites, in the same way he refused to invite Trump. Secondly, Johnny Harris is pretty charitable to the JRE and concludes the video undecided on whether he thinks the podcast is net good or harmful. The arguments are pretty nuanced and I think quite reasonable. So why are so many people so butthurt? It’s a bit ironic since they’re all defending the JRE for being open minded but also can’t handle their favorite podcast being critiqued.
@@noerknown You don't have to silence them, but if you have the slightest bit of responsibility you have to fac-check and debunk any BS. But podcasters don't have any responsibility as opposed to real journalists, and yet most people will definitely trust someone like JR more than actual journalists.
Yup. I find him very entertaining. I think he's off he's rocker, but he's entertaining nonetheless. Joe has even said multiple times that he thinks Alex is playing a character and he doesn't buy his insanity.
hours long and when it was over, I was sad. brain worms? I google'd it... yeah.. million of people have it. And that's at the beginning of that episode, where it's sane. Then shit goes wild. Shame how Alex Jones is banned, when he and his topics should be openly debated. If nothing else, that man can entertain.
@@lollmaoimcoolno he hasn’t. He has always believed in freedom and loving all types of people. The left used to believe in free speech, bodily autonomy and acceptance of all kinds of people. All he’s done is realized that the game has changed.
@@lollmaoimcool How bout u reflect on yourself? its obvious the paradigm has shift. the left doesnt care about people. Its just control. I dont want to argue with you cause your mental state alone from thinking that must be on the otherside of the universe
Love your stuff man, but whether I agree with you’re political views or not (which I mostly do) I come here because I generally trust you to give us straight facts on history and subjects the media only shows one side too… not a fan of these opinion based videos
I've had plenty of disagreements with him in the past, especially on some of his foreign policy stuff, but I generally like his videos. That being said, this is his worst video yet, straight up.
Bruh, Johnny just misinformed you on JRE in the worst way. He's as bad as Rogan on getting facts straight in this video. You weren't educated, you lost IQ points. Sorry to break it to you.
I am a Joe Rogan listener from Italy and I listened to him daily. What I like about Joe is exactly what you consider Joe's sin: as you stated, journalism should aim to spread fact-checked information, but Rogan is not a journalist and I do not think he aspires to be one. He has the freedom to host whoever he wants, and his choices will be freely judged by his community! I think the average human being has enough intellect to discern if the Alex Jones - type of guests are full of BS or not, and I personally stopped hundreds of JRE shows, because I didn't like the guest, the topics discussed or how the show was conducted. So, you are more than free to critique JRE, but do not forget we all live (especially you, my fellow american friends) in a supposedly land of free! By the way, great videos Mr Harris
We have so many Rogan fanboys that literally can’t comprehend that maybe the bro Rogan fanboys all fit the same exact mold thinking that they are free thinkers 😂
I would argue that letting crazy people talk for hours is a great thing. You can see how stupid they are. If you cant, youre already lost. I value Joe a lot cause he does not judge people just from heresay.
@@Milton_Friedmanite This is such a stupid take. Why don’t we put schizophrenics screaming about chemtrails on the evening news? Why don’t we let 3rd graders present their science projects at academic conferences? Information exchange without standards muddies the waters to the point of making it all useless. Not all opinions are created equal. The sad truth is that most people are too stupid to discern fact from fiction and just in case you’ve been living under a rock for the past decade, misinformation has become one of society’s biggest problems.
I think one of the main reasons that Joe Rogan has such a wide appeal is the fact that the podcast isn’t about him. There are long stretches in the show where he doesn’t say a word. He lets his guest just talk. Joe is the representative for the audience. At the end of an episode you feel like you were the one talking to the guest. And because Joe knows what the audience wants, he’s able to ask all the right questions so that the audience feels properly represented.
Criticizing Joe Rogan for letting people talk because they have 'harmful ideas' is a slippery slope. The beauty of his podcast is that it exposes a wide range of perspectives, allowing listeners to form their own opinions. Silencing people just because you disagree with them or find their ideas harmful is a dangerous precedent. It's better to challenge and debunk harmful ideas through open dialogue rather than suppress them. Joe's platform encourages critical thinking and discussion, which is essential in a free society. Censorship isn't the answer
but the thing is that it’s human nature to beat opposition down to have your ideas win. no one talks about this. we’re a barbaric species , and we have to fight that.
True, although I think Johnny’s criticism is valid. Balance isn’t always better. If you invite one scientist who endorses vaccines and one antivaxer, you create a false sense of equal legitimacy.
As many things in life, I feel it depends a lot on context. A good faith debate about a topic with a lot of uncertainty or equipoise? Sure, any day of the week. But a yelling match where uoure making claims without any attempt at evidence... I can only give so much time. But not to worry, I don't feel the need to convince everyone of my beliefs. So while I may not want to hear someone scream that gravity is a conspiracy... I'm not gonna bother to get them to believe otherwise.
thing is that Joe Rogan governs his opinions using his principles rather than political views. His views might seem "all over the place" if you're weighing them against mainstream political cateogries, but if you boil his views down to their core principles, he has been incredibly consistent.
agreed, "all over the place" didn't really resonate with me, he's just honest and authentic, something that is severely lacking in general from media and personalities.
@@mashmods it did with me and well at first but after a while I realized who he reminded me of. my fellow white male Gen X ers who might still call themselves libertarians except "independent free thinker" sounds better despite all of them having exactly the same "authentic" views. naive views that can only come from a life of privilege that until recently they wouldn't even admit to. I'm glad to see that he learns as he gets older. but he still seats Kennedy Jr in the same seat as deGrasse Tyson.
Joe Rogan has put a show that is so long that people can't hide behind talking points. It's a show that allows you true insight into who the person is or at least gives you the broad idea. It's an equal platform that anyone can speak on. That's the greatest part. On top of that Joe is there questioning their ideas and wondering how their thought process works.
True, also it's for anyone to decide what they like, or believe watching on his show... that's the power of JRE, no pre-judgement and no censoring just cause somebody has a different opinion.
My 49 year old son doesn't watch TV, but he is a big fan of Joe Rogan. My son became depressed and angry, hateful, and p#%%ed off ALL THE TIME. He hates his job, he hates driving, he hates his life, he hates people, and he hates this world. If Joe Rogan is my son's plug-in to this world, I would say examine yourself as how much open $h%t you listen to. Use your own self diagnosis to gauge how much to tune in. Sometimes, it is good to change the channel. Take a break and mix it up. Stay sane
So basically, Johnny’s criticism of joe, is that he allows anyone to talk freely? That’s what I understood from this video, which leads me to think that Johnny would like a world where everyone is background checked to make sure what they say is correct according to Johnny. I don’t know about you, but that sure raises my eyebrows
@@filipgasic2642 That has nothing to do with what was said and thats a stupid statement, freedom of speech does mean freedom of consequence otherwise its not free speech.
The best part of a free and open discourse is that no one person, not me, Not you, get to decide what is PRODUCTIVE and GOOD discourse. It blows my mind when people think they are somehow positioned to dictate what should and shouldn't be said. Everyone gets an opinion, the racists, blm, proud boys, boy scouts of America, everyone. It's a right enshrined in the constitution. Who cares if a weird dude or two go on rogan??? If the ideas are bad, they will be stamped out by lack of adoption. If YOU think they are bad, (and some definitely are) doesn't mean you should feel entitled even to feel like you could prevent the ideas from being shared.
thank god someone said it. johnny championing openness, then wants to decide what shouldn't even be heard. we can decide for ourselves who is a nutter that deserves to be ignored, and who knows, maybe we can even learn something by hearing someone saying things we disagree with. none of us knows it all, we are all learning and growing (hopefully)
As someone who is clearly more on the right side of the political spectrum (here in Europe though), and having watched both Joe and Johnny since the beginning. Joe inviting these crazy and controversial guests has pulled me more to the center of the political spectrum than anything else in my life. Although I agree with 80% of what you have said in this video, I really disagree with not inviting certain guests because of what they say. As long as there is an overall balance between crazy and facts, I think this is a healthy thing. It helps me sort out who is actually crazy, and who is making a good point despite it maybe being "controversial".
Sunlight is the best disinfectant for shitty ideas. I completely disagree with Johnny Harris on the idea that people need to be silenced based on shitty beliefs.
Problem is, Joe doesn't confront some things he should. Alex Jones talking about alien ambassadors and government conspiracies is crazy and Joe either did not want to, or did not know how to, properly reason with him. Maybe people like Alex Jones cannot be reasoned with, such is the nature of the conspiranoic mind, maybe... But then, if there is no reason in the debate, why bring him on the show?
Fully agree with you, mate. I feel like this tends to be the stance of the less vocal (twitter or YT comments, etc) crowd. Perhaps I am wrong, but I feel like this idea of uninhibited discourse being a good thing perhaps appeals most to folks that don't care to engage in inane heated debates on the internet. And perhaps that's most people.
The idea that "free speech loses protection when it causes harm" undermines the very essence of free expression. Even extremist views should be heard, as they provide opportunities to critically evaluate different perspectives. Engaging with such views allows us to exercise our rational judgment, refine our understanding, and arrive at more informed conclusions. Censorship, by contrast, stifles this process and risks entrenching ignorance rather than fostering deeper insight.
So basically he's allowing people to speak freely and that's a problem because the masses can't be trusted to agree and disagree with the right things.
Hey, let me remind everyone people are allowed to say shit and be wrong. That's why people love Joe Rogan. That's why I watched Joe Rogan because I know I'm getting an unfiltered honest opinion and it doesn't matter if it's right or not.
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There are so many wild things said in this video. He says that he thinks it’s extremely important to let people talk even if you disagree with them and then goes on to say that Alex Jones should not be featured on the podcast because he disagrees with him.
a lot of videos discrediting johnny's videos with proof of misinformation (through omission), lack of cited sources, and poor interpretation of historical texts have come out in the past few years. i've watched them but gave them little thought. i genuinely thought i found a channel with little to no political bias and equal coverage of all sides. this video disappointed me with a lot of logical fallacies and unfair portrayals of people.
Yes, I also wish Joe Rogan would grill more of their guests, but on the other hand, when some guests speak for 2hrs, "their unfiltered truth," you can clearly see they're crazy or not as smart as they want you to see. Sometimes it can be good.
I think the problem with your optics into this issue is you're looking at Rogan's show as if its something journalistic like yours. That he's trying to get to the truth of some matter or another. That's not his purpose, his purpose is to allow these people to speak in an uninterrupted form for an extended time, and minimally guide the conversation to entertaining areas. He is offering them a modern platform that could be considered the equivalent of what books where: a way for someone to express their ideas fully without having to go in circles explaining themselves to bad faith argumentors. And it's important to do that even with people like Alex Jones. The interesting aspect to that kind of episode is: how does this human being think? If he almost convinced you of something (before you remembered oh yea it's Alex Jones, gotta fact check this garbage), it's just a testament to the fact that even these crazy people can make compelling stories, and if it's half as compelling to you over three hours, imagine how compelling it can be to themselves over their entire lifetime. It's an amazing platform to learn to understand how these people think. Also, the comment about "waking up and realizing it's Alex Jones and checking facts" is very presumptuous. You state it's a case of your daily job being to fact check things, but you're essentially implying that most people are too dumb to realize "hey, that's a crazy person". Most people are smarter than most people think. Enough so, that most people think they're above average.
Hit the nail on the head with this. Well said. Joe respects his listeners intelligence. If you got to the end of the Alex Jones episode and agreed with him, or were swayed by him significantly, there wasn't hope for you from the start.
I believe any person who has the ability to hold nuances in their mind, would understand that the show is not supposed to be factual (which Joe himself consistently states) but rather a discussion of ideas. We should learn to listen to people talk and not go batshit crazy for hearing things that do not align with our views. A casual discussion podcast should not be the place where people look for scientifically accurate discourse. This podcast has allowed me to get to listen to so many people i would never have given the time of the day. It allowed me to understand my own perspective on their opinions and see the reasons for theirs (again not agree with them but better understand their pov and reasonings). And at this day and age of shutting down opposing opinions, it feels like a breath of fresh air.
Well said! I don’t like the idea that we need a gate keeper to decide what I can and can’t listen to. Let me hear both sides and let me make my own opinion about the topic. I think that’s why most people don’t trust major news outlets.
Absolutely spot on there. I’ve heard plenty of great information on his podcast that, when verified as true, has been useful to me. The opposite is also true, and that depends almost entirely on the guest that’s present in any given episode. Some guests come on with hard-hitting facts, some come on with outright lies, some come on just simply as misinformed human beings. Like you said, people need to be able to hear discourse that goes against their personal beliefs without having an absolute conniption fit. Ideological diversity is arguably the most important kind of diversity for a healthy, well-rounded society.
"Sometimes the best way to combat bad speech is to let that bad speech play out and let good speech overwhelm it with good logic and reason and a better argument." This is the way to go Joe. The other ways have way worse outcomes.
you just said it, 'sometimes' only sometime. But most of the time, what happens is people creates bubble with same ideas they get influenced with. Social media platform adds fuel in those ideas, showing same narrative again and again. So we must confront when someone comes onto the show that has millions of reach and blatantly lies about what he/she is saying.
Johney seams to be trying to intelligently and intellectually silence / pressure joe from interviewing anyone who is a big No No by the MSM. If you are smart you can catch what I’m saying. Very sus
People have the right to listen to BS and enjoy some fantasy stories. No one said or thinks everything that comes on joe is correct, but we expect entertainment and watching the art of discussion
@@aseemlimbu7672 Social media is a group of people who just want their beliefs being confirmed not challenged, like seriously I watch tiktoks of an obviously conservative guy who I sometimes disagree prove with data sheets and facts that global warming is real, guess what? mfs still don't accept it despite of all of the facts, they think this a matter of beliefs. We need to listen to other people, the intelligent ones.
that's how bolsonaro became known. Going to gossip tv programs because his ideas were controversial and got them viewership. Now see the bad thing happened since then
This is America. Nothing wrong with giving people a chance to speak. Humans are complex and aren’t just good or bad. People need to be smart enough to not be gullible and believe everything they hear. Do your own research. You can’t censor discussion.
@@dementiasorrowdo you have an example of one of his views that is bigoted or prejudiced? Or do you just think what the left tells you to think about him?
@@calebhusby4107 "Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan show: Being trans is like ‘satanic ritual abuse’" seems totally kind and not prejudiced and bigoted at all, and joe rogan definitely has on very very kind and smart "thinkers" lmao ok
The biggest problem with him is that he gives a very big platform to people who spread conspiracy theories and misinformation, and barely pushes back against them a lot of the time.
Joe’s long form interview style is desperately needed in our media environment. Mass media treat viewers like they are simpletons. The fact that Joe gets more viewers to watch his show that almost every TV show (other than the Super Bowl and other huge sporting events) goes to show how hungry viewers are for real conversations.
Joe never interviewed anybody in his entire life. He has 3 hour long conversations where he never pushes back (or hardly) shares a lot of weird conspiracies and just goofed around. Highly entertaining but not an interview
We are in the golden era of podcasts. Lex Fridman is another thought provoking podcast host. You’ll never get long form discussions in big media “entertainment news” channels
@@MrJimheerenthe guest is the star really Rogan is just there to kinda prod them along really, he’ll switch up the direction of the convo or some shit if he feels he needs to occasionally but the guest is more of the focus
@@Allen667sjja I don’t know about you. But I’ve heard the the same dozen stories Rogan likes to tell at least a 100 times. Chimp’s, LSD, some fight stories, something that happened on stage the standard Rogan drill
“Tim isn't a right wing grifter, he's just a normal guy that loves free speech and freedom. I may have a few minor disagreements with his politics, but the more I listen to him, the more I can relate to his worldview. He may get into many passionate debates, but under his tough exterior, he's really just such a nice dude that also has impeccable taste in head wear.” - Johnny Harris, probably
Dude the problem is that Joe Rogan has lost his way, he's surrounded himself with conmen, liers, grifters and/or Right wingers. He has stopped being unbias and actually talking about both sides with some facts/reality. He's literally just thrown all reasoning out the window and went full conspiracy, Joe wasn't always this one sided. Getting old and COVID must have some serious affects on the brain. When you only hear one side, where most of it is actual disinformation and verifiably false, you actually start believing the world is a certain way, even if everything else says otherwise. Cognitive dissonance and bias are very strong with most of us @@dotxyn
Joe legitimately was my gateway to being a more kind person. I came from the south and was in the army infantry when I started listening to him. He was the only tough guy I'd ever seen be open and honest about his emotions. He expressed empathy frequently and it freed me from my rigid position in life. I never would have come out as bi and then trans if it weren't for tough guys being sensitive like Joe. It's been years since I've listened to him, but his earlier content really reshaped my life's path in so many positive ways.
Joe’s relationship with his dogs is one of the best things I’ve ever seen. I love the contrast between Joe’s strongman style physicality and Joe tearing up over how much he loves Marshall. It’s amazing :)
Can’t wait for the joe rogan Johnny Harris episode! I hope you’re gonna be able to ignore COVID conspiracies in person as well as you do on the internet!
The conspiracy that said the jabs prevent transmission and infection? Have you seen the report that the new variant is more likely to infect those that have been vaccinated? Joe was correct more often than the CDC. And while I don't know the efficacy of using Ivermectin for the 'vid I do know that it is one of the most prescribed medications ever and that the guy who discovered it won the nobel prize in medicine. It is also used as a horse dewormer, it's so versatile. Any news organization that stated it was a horse dewormer without including the uses in humans shows you clearly they are propagandizing you.
I like the part where Johnny says he doesnt like the idea that you should expect the viewer to fact check what you say, you should just speak the truth. That comes with a very scary idea that we must trust everything the news, media, influencers and government tell us. Which is counter intuitive to the whole argument made by Johnny. While I do trust Johnny is doing the work to make sure his videos are factually accurate it does not mean we should blindly trust everything we see. In a perfect world nobody would skew facts to fit their narrative but that just isn't the world we live in. Great video either way.
I don't think he's saying that we shouldn't expect people to fact check everything. He's saying that people just don't and expecting that they will or do is maybe counter productive in some ways.
brendancarson Especially after viewing several of his videos and and especially this one knowing that he is a leftist liberal. That tells me (as I've already seen) he has an agenda also. He's definitely better at not being overly blatant about it but it's still there. Also being associated with Vox at one time tells me a lot also. But like he has said we're human and we should be able to have a right to speak.... whether I agree or not. 😊
I actually lost respect for Johnny in this video. If it takes him this long to realise that Joe is not a far-right personality, then I am sorry to tell you all that he was living in an ecochamber, and now I am wondering what else he blindly believes.
The problem with censorship is that different people have different criteria for who should be censored. There is not a fine line between "should censor" and "should not censor" and why would anyone's opinion be more valid than someones else.
We censor things all the time. For example, you can't publish an article calling Johnny Harris a N*zi without getting his with a lawsuit for slander, which it is.
@@filipgasic2642 Hurtful to who? Your opinion is hurtful to everyone who is an advocate for free speech, so using your logic (hurtful on a large scale), you should be censored.
JR has one major flaw: he more or less adopt the ideas and values of the guest, while the meeting is happening. He rarely goes against what they believe.
I never watched JRE because I always thought it was just guys sitting around shooting the shit. Years ago, I happened to watch one of his videos with Dan Flores, IIRC, and they spent the entire time talking about coyotes and wolves. I've been a fan ever since. I'm not really into the shows with other comedians but when he interviews knowledgeable folks from other fields? One of the best to ever do it.
Yeah I love those types of guests. If you haven't seen the Paul Stammets episode yet it's one of my favorites. Guys a mycologist, aka mushroom expert. Mind blowingly cool episode imo.
The whole point of free speech is so anyone can speak their mind. The idea that all information should be filtered if it’s too harsh is terrible for free speech and our society, let Alex say whatever he wants, if you believe him it is your choice, we are not children. Who has the right to dictate what is too much?
The problem is that his "free" speech is directly hurting others by sending idiots to harass families. That's not free speech... It's literally the reason he got charged and went to court for it. Why is everybody overlooking this?
@@dominiklovric4026 Did he use JRE as a platform to do those things though? No he didn’t. As deplorable as those actions are, he was charged and Justice was carried out. You cannot spread ideas or creatively think without the risk of offending someone. JRE serves to give people a clearer picture of who people are and what they stand for, as opposed to the filtered half truths of main stream media.
JRE letting the "media condemned" personalities come in and share their side is what makes it great. My opinion on a lot of those people have changed just by getting to see them for who they truly are. Mainstream media paints that picture biasedly and doesn't let you make up your own mind. You get to see that these people, with radically opposing views on things, are fairly normal people who are passionate about a controversial issue. And if it goes against liberal media, they are clipped to show the bad parts and then the media tells you what to think about them. That's what makes his show so special.
I've learned a lot of things from Joe's podcast that completely changed my life. Better sleep, doing yoga, meditating, healthy eating, all stuff I picked up from his guests. I'm turning 40 soon and I feel better physically and my mind is sharper than when I was 20.
@@jirkajindra11it’s pretty obvious (to anyone but Johnny Harris team) that there are stupid dumb convos he’s not invested in and then there are stimulating or insightful conversations. Everyone knows which Jones is.
The best way (in my opinion) to find out who has the crazy ideas and the depth of that craziness is to let people talk. That’s one reason why freedom of speech is important. It’s how we learn from each other. Fact-checking is critically important with news and journalism, but that’s not what Joe does. He’s a forum for people to make up their own minds. That’s a great thing. Yes, many guests on his show spew things I think of as lies, falsehoods, or even hate, but I appreciate that I am being given the respect to make up my own mind about what these things are. The news media tells you what to believe. That’s not enough for a lot of people. We like to think for ourselves. I’m glad Joe offers a forum for ideas. I’ve learned a lot about people and ideas from his show.
@@shivaunt71are you saying you therefore rely on others to tell you what to believe? Fact checkers can only go on available information, in turn if information is being sensored, then how can what is presented from fact checkers be "facts"? I think it is best to let both sides speak and each individual decide for themselves, whether it be through their own experiences, knowledge, or expertise. Itherwise we run the risk of not being exposed to full truths and weaken our critical thinking skills.
This is why critical thinking is so important. I applaud anyone who wishes to actually find out the way things work for themselves, but you have to be open-minded and fact check things yourself and be prepared to do a lot of research if you actually want to end up with a reasonable understanding of any topic. Assumptions can help us get through life without becoming experts in everything which is impossible, but its critical to actually understand nuance in debates if you want to have an opinion worth listening to and scary how many people just make assumptions on the fly about decisions / policies which can have resounding impacts for thousands if not millions of people.
I somewhat find it earnest that he supports his view from factoids off the top of his head, instead of trying to artificially create an 'air-tight' argument. He doesn't directly imply everything he utters is absolute fact. Modern times allow us to fact check... well after the fact. I think that's a great opportunity to collectively get a clue of possible cognitive dissonances surrounding the topic.
@@californiacombativesclub202 They're that kind of people that most intriguing to listen to. If you don't listen to someone who you disagree with you can never form a proper and informed opinion of them. In a sense you are the fascist by not listening to fascists.
I knew as soon as I saw this, that this would be a hit piece. Johnny is such a lefty. You can hear why he doesn’t get why people w at to listen to Joe.
Seems like Johnny’s main points are as follows; Rogan Podcast = Give people a fair chance to voice their ideas. Johnny Podcast = Trust Johnny to find truth for you because he tells you that he fact checks everything. Which recipe finds truth better?
It’s funny because I’m an ex Mormon as is Johnny. The one thing our church told us was to not read non church-approved material because it was “Satan”. And yet here is Johhny doing the exact same thing as the church that he left and I assume dislikes greatly. The church said they knew what truth was and that we could trust them. The irony is thick.
I believe the strongest attribute of Joe is the fact he NEVER takes a moral high ground in any conversation. This opens up possibilities for people to talk. When guests give good takes: good. When guests make bad takes: good, because then you'll learn to listen to people better and it's a skill we all would benefit to learn (as Joe's friend and fellow podcaster Lex Friedman says: to steelman the case). No matter how stupid people are, listening is the MOST BASIC prerequisite to human communication and somehow larger media corpos forget how to simply... Talk. When interviewers disagree with their guests they just cut them off and vice versa which means two people are screaming at each other and not trying to find reason in their talking partner. Johnny's believe to not give certain people platforms because he genuinely feels like it'll hurt people is noble, but I genuinely believe that'll make a domino effect that'll cause more censorship which'll finalize in something like North Korea's government or worse. Debates are not decided simply by facts and logic, but also by one's humility, which translates to listening, which translates to being emotionally vulnerable, which leads to an understanding... Or tolerance. For example, this is my personal belief but the reason why flat earthers are stalwart in their belief is not a cognitive problem, but an emotional problem. When people talk to flat earthers, they treat them like monkeys. Its like a sort of "I am superior, and your believes make me see you as subhuman" typeof attitude we give them that makes flat earthers so stubborn. We don't listen to them, we see them as shit, we scream at them instead of have a conversation with them, of course they don't listen. In their shoes, will we do different? I don't know if people are reading this or not but I'm just writing this to get a grasp on how I think and feel about this video. Would be cool to have Johnny in JRE tho
@@carpo719brother what Johnny Harris described was 2019 and before Joe Rogan. 2020 and beyond Joe Rogan is a right wing reactionary grifter who only has on antivax and/or white supremacists on his show
@@mathewblyth5940 I will in fact be doing that. The boosters are effectively how flu vaccines work, and if that's what it takes to not get covid so I won't spread it to my mom, I will take a shot that does nothing harmful to me
When Alex Jones is on Rogan, his vitriol isn’t effective at persuasion because Joe’s audience is made of people who have the skills to evaluate diverse information.
@@johng0omurrand this is why you are the problem. You like him and what he puts out but in this video he has a different view to you so you’re unsubscribing? Very mature.
Once again I find the confusion of Johnny Harris informing us of history and facts but videos like this are just this guys perspective of someone, we should watch everything with a critical eye.
I lost trust in him ever since he called Julian Assange an ''asshole''. Now i'm just checking in from time to time cause i think he might be controlled opposition.
In my opinion the best way to discredit crazy people is to let them talk. I don't trust random articles/blogs as they always seem to over/under exaggerate things or straight up lie.
I believe the difference between your approach to what you do (inform people, try to give people the facts etc) and what he does, is he trusts his public to think and chose what to think of the content in his podcasts. That's why it's becoming increasingly rare to see good quality debates, nobody trusts the public to make their own mind about something.
This guy doesn't get that, it's like COVID and the ivermectin thing they did to him. They said it's animal drugs, harmful to people and YET it turned out to be true!
@@FinneasJedidiah True, sometimes he does not know enough to push back on someone, but having listened to 2,000+ hours of Rogan, man, you never ever want to be in his sights when he detects bullshit - he asks harder questions of people than any interviewer I have seen. He does not let people slide by with bullshit answers when he detects bullshit. Sometimes it's actually brutal.
@@FinneasJedidiahI think that on a veeeeery basic level, actually, everyone’s opinion IS equally valid; ie everyone should have an ability to express their opinion. This is what Johnny begrudgingly defends of Ioe Rogan, and I defend it too… but I get what you mean, some peoples’ opinions are absolutely shit and Joe let’s them slide from time to time.
Someone from Breaking Points did a compilation video exposing how wrong those people are. He is an old school liberal. He is closer to Bernie Sanders than he is to Biden or Trump.
What I like about Joe is that he will talk to EVERYONE and let them talk. Ultra-liberal... ultra-conservative...everyone in the middle - he will have debates and talks with all people. He's not your typical 'talking head' who pushes just one agenda by constantly talking over his guests. You don't have to agree with all his views and he can admit he's wrong.
Maybe in the beginning that was true but not for the past few years. He doesn’t have anyone on that disagrees with him and almost exclusively has on right wing guest. And I’d hardly call anything he does a debate. He’s known for being extremely malleable and will seemingly change his opinions depending on who’s sitting in front of him.
but u do realize that he's not well qualified to question his guests properly n that allows them to just use his platform to push any kind of rhetoric they want to millions of people, like u can't just invite people on and let them rant, there are certain protocols that actual journalism sets in place to avoid misinformation and that's why this new age of podcasting and the internet just being such an accessible tool to anyone and everyone has made it so easy to spread hateful n toxic n stupid ideas and we're seeing it now more than ever and that's actually the point of this video
@@parkeraustin2414The reason most of his guests are seemingly “right wingers” as of late is because the leftists are afraid to go on because their own cult will come for their heads if they do. It’s not like he doesn’t invite them or is pushing them away.
Except he won't have trump on, which disproves that narrative. He is well aware of the effect just being on his show has and has chosen to host some truly vile people.
@@parkeraustin2414Thats cuz left wing politicians and celebrities c it as a form of support for joe who they think is rly right wing so the optics make them look bad but right wing ppl lose nothing
Funnily enough the idea behind this video is to be more critical about the media you consume and what biases are being mixed into them and his video makes us challenge how we view Johnny's videos. Kind of backfired succesfully, huh?
I don't understand what everyone is complaining about. Seemed like a fair and balanced coverage regarding Joe. You can't stop free speech, even if you wish some people had less of it. Joe literally makes a living on letting people talk, he could be doing much worse; this is a public service.
"Which is why we rely on trusted voices..." Trusted by whom? EVERYONE has a viewpoint, and that viewpoint discrimination is what we need to discern. If someone is telling me, "don't trust this person", my question is, "why should I trust YOU?".
Well on the Joe Rogan podcast there have been many examples for people who aren’t necessarily trusted in their own field. For example Graham Hancock isn’t trusted by the archeology community he’s never been peer reviewed or published in an academic journal, yet Joe has had him on many times to promote pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo that a viewer without any familiarity on the field would take to at first sight
@@rohanpatel2828 peer review is a fraud... everyone concious knew that for a long time... and all you have to looik is at the refcent clownshow with the alzheimer case or that other woman hack who blatantly made up garbage for an eternity and never got caught until recent
@@rohanpatel2828"Aren't necessarily trusted in their field" That's a prerequisite for all of the groundbreaking geniuses who grew our scientific understanding of the world by quantum bounds lol. That's why this generation will never do anything remarkable. It's entirely focused on obedience and conformity, maintaining the status quo at all costs.
Joe Rogan isn’t anti-mainstream media as an act. He is just everything that the MSM is not. He is open-minded and willing to change his opinion. He is curious. It’s a long format show with no deceptive editing or cutting segments to twist what a guest said. He’s not looking for a “gotcha” moment and doesn’t come at guests in a disrespectful or condescending way. He is an open book. Honest. Transparent. Authentic. He is not controlled. He doesn’t make the podcast about him, and all of that is almost impossible to find nowadays especially from the MSM and so called “journalists.”
He is either all of what you just said embodied in a rather simplistic, knee-jerk, kinda easy to manipulate guy, or a person who is significantly smarter but also hypocritical and who does this as an act. My own guess, contrary to what I would actually expect from such influential people, is that he is actually the former: an earnest, not terribly bright average 'Joe' who has made a very successful career out of being curious and wanting to talk about stuff even without understanding a lot of that stuff himself. I kinda like Joe Rogan because he sounds authentic and because some personalities in his show have actually been very interesting, which oddly goes well with the fact that while being interviewed by him they will often have plain, casual, sort of easy to follow conversations. But politically, it is completely absurd to excuse him for all of the fringe protofascists he's had on (or for his own rather backward comments sometimes). Surely people have a right to speak their mind, but they don't have a right to be guaranteed to be heard by millions because they speak on Joe Rogan's podcast. Like for example, if I want to speak on his podcast next week, I can't do it just because I want: it's his show and he has to accept me, so it is of course his choice and his responsibility who he has on the program and who he doesn't. And the fact is that when a concerningly high number of these people are bogus political agitators and basically snake oil salesmen and con-men, it makes all the sense in the world for others to criticize him for that. Or in other words: if it is of 'mainstream media' and 'so called journalists' to not want to give space to Alex Jones, and specially not for him to rant all of his nonsense views unchallenged, that speaks well of mainstream media and so called journalists, not of Joe Rogan. In moments like those, I wish Joe Rogan were a so called journalist.
@@sadoklajmi ah yes, the unsurprising claim about Joe Rogan being hateful content has entered the chat. By hateful and regressive, do you just mean ideas and people that you don’t agree with?
“He is curious.” is the right way to summarize Joe, and is one of the biggest reasons why I and millions of people are such big fans. Some people are afraid of people being curious. But I believe the vast majority of people who listen to JRE have enough sense to form their own opinions reasonably. Anyone who resonates with Joe as a person likely has his same approach to trying to understand the world as it IS, rather than what the narrative tells them to believe. And anyone who has a problem with that can respectfully F off.
I appreciate bringing controversial figures onto his podcast because it gives me the chance to judge for myself whether or not I should listen to them more, rather than having all media and outlets decide that for me
This is a really good point. What I find unsettling about Johnny's critique is that his impulse or instinct is to control and curate what people should be exposed to. We as the audience have agency. We don't need anyone to decide what we should believe in our stead or by proxy. JRE provides a context where you get to hear everyone-even the crazy conspiracy theorists-and judge for yourself. Ultimately, you have to be comfortable with people falling for what you might consider as misinformation or ideas you don't like in a free society. No one gets to be a benevolent dictator.
@@jamillsantiagoexactly. While Johnny may have good intentions, his logic is flawed. One day he may very well be labeled as that "extremist", once you give someone that authority to decide what's ok to say and what's not it's a very slippery slope.
There is still some degree of looking out for the public as a whole. As a figure with an audience of that degree there has to be a certain percentage of people that listen and take everything as truth with no will finding out otherwise. That’s why you have to vet people and make sure you aren’t putting or condoning certain talking points. Hard to just let be adults be adults..there’s more at stake if you understand what I mean. I do agree with letting us think on our own.. for those of us who still have critical thinking skills that is lol
Thank you! I totally disagreed with Johnny's critique. How will we know that they're crazy if we don't listen to them for long enough in an unfiltered manner?
Glad i'm not the only one who noticed. Had the video on as background noise while i do stuff, halfway through the video i was like wait a minute... something ain't right here.
I grew up thinking that phrases "I think", "I believe", or "I disagree" are the anthisesis of what true journalism is. Johny lambasts mainstream media for opinionizing while lavishly indulging in it.
A huge part of his personality? I watch Joe Rogan from time to time and I’ve never heard him say this. Ppl make up anything to hate on someone I guess.
@@hundredbandzbulls On average it takes 9 years of consistent dedication to obtain a black belt in BJJ. He has one from Eddie Bravo who was instrumental in the evolution of nogi BJJ. You really think this is not a big part of his personality? He comments on MMA fights all the time.
@@hundredbandzbulls It's basically the foundation of his personality. Think what you will about fighting. I personally have aversion to violence as a means of solving conflict, but martial arts are so much more than violence. Discipline, art, fitness, anatomy, psychology, patience, spirituality... and at the end of the day, the same thing that teaches someone how to destroy and dominate also holds humility and tolerance as its fundamental teachings.... wait, what were we talking about.
First let me state that Johnny Harris is a treasure of investigative journalism on youtube. In the past two years he made some videos that go against the powers that be and has exposed things not in line with the neoliberal agenda. This has created a lot of backlash and hitpieces by pawns of those powers. I sadly feel now he feels pressured to conform not to be canceled. This on the one hand diminishes his truth power, but also allows him to keep reaching a big audience. This has put him in a difficult position. I still respect him and watch his videos and I hope for a world where a true journalist like Harris can speak his true mind without having to fear cancelation.
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Just had a "discussion " with someone about this. I told him I listen to everyone, that is how I learn to discern. Freedom of speech means everyone gets to talk. Polite speech doesn't need protection. Allowing everyone to speak, allows you to see and hear where they are coming from. If you pay attention, instead of becoming emotional, you will begin to see their fears and biases. This will also give you information as to whether they can be credible source of information or if what information they have is distorted by their fears. Watching people talk is invaluable.
Yes, but with a huge caveat. When charlatans get a huge audience to spread their wild ideas, bullshit, lies, misdirections or whatever else without a voice of reason to analyse it critically then it's the equivalent of giving Joseph Goebbels a hugely effective method of spreading his propaganda. Joe Rogan doesn't have this critical way of asking his guests the tough questions and demanding evidence for when some of them spread their misinformation. He becomes a victim of his own incredulity. Instead of using it in order to be skeptical when people say crazy things, he lets them say whatever shit they want and seemingly buys a lot of it himself. Openness is good, but it needs to be tempered with skepticism and a critical mind. The problem with Joe is that he has the former, but lacks (or chooses not to use) the latter. So his podcast ends up as a pedestal for conspiracy lunatics in many cases.
If you "protect" yourself from speech you don't like, you become less informed, more anxious, less empathetic, and overall get a less intelectually rich mindset. Which I think is precisely what we see in the public discourse, both from the rich but particularly from the left
@@RevCo78 Oh, how nice. Your concerned about my brains! But don't you worry, if they do fall out I won't give a sh*t about any of this, so it won't matter.
I think it’s interesting that you said your biggest praise is that he admits when he gets things wrong, and followed it up with being upset that he’s wrong sometimes. 🧐
Good point. Also cherry picked statements completely out of context by JRE guests seemingly to push a point Johny is making. And a lot of "boxing in" people (JRE guests) as well.
Same with the importance of free speech and then whining about not censoring too much and letting people speak. Honestly Harris lost me with this video. And no Im not some hardcore fan of Joe Rogan but I hate duality of man and framing "objective" critique into heavily onesided political view. I'll stay with the historical videos about US gov and thats that.
If you don't understand that free speech means people need to do their homework and their own fact checking, you don't understand deeply enough the difference between democracy and authoritarianism at the most basic level.
Something that I think is really important about the open discourse in the JRE podcast is that there is real value in hearing "the other side of the argument" in a long and nuanced way because then you hear what the insecurity and the fear is on the other side. So often ppl are bulldozing and fighting others because they are feeling bulldozed themselves. Addressing that fear is how we mend division and conflict in our society.
Where do I not hear the other side of the argument? I hear homophobia and transphobia everywhere, in every country even if I actively try to avoid it. I know how those people think and people like jordan peterson, ben shapiro and matt walsh actually want my friends dead or for them to vanish. There is no good faith there. There is no both sides-ism when one side is genocidal.
the right and left have a lot of common ground. it's easy for people in the middle to see. we're watching two sides want the exact same thing, but too busy arguing over hot button topics that are forced into the narrative so that those real topics are never addressed. that's the divide, the real divide. keeping us blaming each other instead of the actual culprits
"because then you hear what the insecurity and the fear is on the other side." It's not just this. You get everything you are able to get from more context.
He said he is a "fact checking full time journalist" : in the Coup video he said America orchestrated a coup in Lybia, showing a Nato logo: where did he find this news? Not even Libyan hardcore America's haters say so
Giving a voice to the worst and not fact checking them is dangerous. I like that he has all types of people, just dislike so much he doesn't challenge people who are spewing dangerous stuff.
@@Homer-OJ-Simpsonwhat dangerous stuff? What a real world example of a negative impact of one of Joe Rogans interview that you can trace back to that interview being the instigating cause?
@@Homer-OJ-SimpsonI can say with 100% certainty that the reason mass shootings happen so often now is because of how much attention and fear mongering main stream media gives them. They give these losers a spotlight and paint them up as larger than life, and that inspires others to go out and achieve the same. But Joe Rogan is the problem?
@@devin6201people who listen to the likes of Alex Jones or other alt-right voices won’t be inspired to engage in violence after one podcast from Joe Rogan. They likely have already been listening to these people for years, or they’ve had these ideas for a long time, then heard said person speak, listen to more of their ideas, and then choose to act out. It is highly unlikely that some nutjob will be inspired to violence by Rogan’s show. What it will do is allow distorted beliefs to continue circulating. That’s why many media pundits don’t have right or left-wing extremists on their shows. They don’t want to spread what are essentially lies around. The one positive thing that comes from Rogan having these people talk uncensored, is it causes non-followers to disagree with said views even further, and for legitimate journalists and researchers to gain ammo against people like Jones, Owen, Mcinnis, etc… You could look at Rogan’s podcast also as an archive of crazy crap people have said
@@Homer-OJ-Simpsonhe is not a journalist. He is a podcaster who is having a conversation. So the factcheckingpart should be done by the person who listens.
"and even the ones I disagree with, there is so much value in letting them talk." - Johnny Harris. Yet this changes when you disagree with them too much.
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80% of kids who are diagnosed with dysphoria do outgrow it with puberty, that is a factual medical statement that is widely known in the relevant medical communities, so that clip being shown as evidence of misinformation on the show should be removed as it's right to say there are people who push nonsense on the show but that particular example isn't one.
Would love a Johnny Harris Joe Rogan Podcast episode!!!
@@Navk23 Agreed!
Jones made one mistake and he apologized for it. Move the F**K on. Omfg
Can you also do "The Rise of Johnny Harris"?
White mormon dude leaves church, becomes hipster/journalist
Done
@@oninkngood summarised of his story
@@oninkn
Pretty accurate so far
I think it would be infinitely more interesting than play Joe Rogan bio. I mean everyone on RUclips nose Jose story. Almost feel upset knowing that Johnny wasted tons of time on a video like this when we could have gotten something so much more interesting..
@@BonsaiBuckeyeok, boomer.
Joe letting people talk is his best quality.. Its crazy thats your biggest critique
Cause bro is massively bigoted as a grown adult😂
@@turnitdownboog7191 Whether true or not, wtf does him being "massively bigoted" have to do with him allowing so many people on his show to speak their minds? wtf are you talking about?
@@turnitdownboog7191Ok Hillary 😂
Johnny Harris is paid and sponsored by the World Economic Forum. He is a propagandist.@@ABirchwoodVampire
@@ForTheOmnissiah talking about the Mf who made this video y’all really tweaked out
Love how this started out as a Joe Rogan video, and then turned into 10 reasons why you hate Alex Jones😂
RIGHT??? like wtf was thaaatt
Lmao I thought the same thing, buddy could’ve made an entire separate video just out of that
And let's do another video of how many times Alex Jones has been right...
I like how he roasts Alex Jones multiple times by saying hes doing all of this to sell his powder. Meanwhile this guy has a 2 minute nord vpn ad praising it and saying they are the best company ever. Soooo this video was only made to promote an ad and get paid? Theres no double standard here??
To be fair, it’s very easy to hate on Alex Jones
If someone is wrong, let them talk and it will reveal itself. No one should be the arbiter of speech. We dont need to be protected from bad ideas.
Maybe not protected but the current state of America shows how well it goes when people just wholesale believe the dumb crap they hear
@@AngelicReaper25 yeh, eg Politicians outright lying to a more and more ridiculous level.
@@AngelicReaper25 The fact that Alex Jones has millions of followers is disturbing, no good can come from providing him with a platform which will amplify his craziness. Jones' followers will see his appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast as a validation of his idiocy. Instead of being relegated to the fringes, where he belongs, Jones and his followers feel empowered, emboldened by his appearance on popular venues. There are too many impressionable, gullible and stupid people these days, to believe that the truth will always win out.
@@ShakirahIbaad Listen to the recordings, "I Can Hear It Now / The Sixties" by Walter Cronkite, the contrast between how politicians spoke and the things they spoke about back then, compared to what they are like now is startling. Yes, politicians have always lied but not like they do today. If its true we get the government that we deserve, there's only one conclusion which can be drawn; as a society, we are in decline.
no. you challenge them. you fact check. you make questions and reveal the fault in the argument. you expose the dangers of that speech. because if you just let them speak hoping that they reveled themselves, somebody without that information, without the time to do that work, they believe and agree along. specially if the person talking is good at bending truths or presenting only the facts that supports them.
that is why people with large platforms should be accountable for the voices they lend their platform to. and that's the problem with joe rogan.
"My biggest critique of Joe Rogan: Joe lets people talk"
wild statement lol
Very media-esque
Your comment was what I came to the comments for. Underrated comment! My first thought after hearing the OP say that was, "... and that's a bad thing?" Everyone deserves their chance to speak in the court of public opinion.
Video was quite good, up until this point.
WTF honestly. Letting people talk is the exact thing we need to do. We shouldn't fight on the streets. We shouldn't bomb cities. We need to talk, and censoring people you deem "not worth to have a voice" is exactly what mainstream media is doing and why people are fed up with them.
Ya, authoritarian leftists don't like people being able to exercise rights lol
The only person that should have a voice is me… that’s really democratic! 😂
The one thing I actually like about Joe is that he lets his guests talk. I watch based on who the guest is.
So everyone else sits and just listens?
@@jamesg8203 he doesn't cut them off. He allows them to say what they want and get out a full thought.
Same, or a guest I have come to not like, I'll watch to get an unfiltered view of them, and over the years it's wild how much the media has contorted people going against their agenda.
@@amandamccallum6796I think that guy is just trolling you lol
@@KommonCents_ I figured onthatsiente was just a google bot here to spread hate
I find joe's ability to let people talk is one of the main reasons I like his show. Crazy people will expose themselves if you let them talk.
Exactly right,
in my opinion it's ironic that the blind spot, or the falacy seems to be with johnny harris himself, as he thinks that some people don't seem to deserve a platform, and suprisingly they are all right leaning, which is what a lot of liberals seem to think
the fact that joe doens't seem to differentiate between left idiots and right idiots makes hime genuine, wheras johnny clearly has a hierachy in opinion, which ultimately clouds his mind as well.
They only expose themselves to people who aren't susceptible to their bullshit. Not everyone listening is thinking critically, which is why there needs to be push-back so insane conspiracy theories and outright lies aren't just spread unchecked. How many who agree with Joe about the silencing effect of "woke mobs" chuckled along with McInnes' story of assaulting protesters without considering how antithetical that is to free speech?
@@Pykenike1 That's so reductive it's like you didn't watch the video. Candace Owens is a right-winger, Harris praises the value of getting to listen to her just speak. The people he is most critical of being platformed aren't just right-leaning, they're far right, and in the case of Alex Jones they already have a platform they use to spread lies and batshit insane conspiracy theories. Having him on is just giving him a bigger platform. If Joe can draw the line at Trump, it's fair to ask why not people like Jones?
this. I think this went over Johnny's head
Except Joe clearly holds a right leaning bias currently, he just follows what's popular and that's popular at the moment. Just like how when Trump was president it was much more mainstream to be left leaning. It's all just bullshit noise distracting us from the real problems in our country,
To be clear, Joe Rogan was not standing up for Alec Jones. He actually came public and saying that Alex Jones has a psychological disorder and got into a big fight with him.
He's literally the light beer version of Alex Jones.
@@clydecash5659 Does Joe Rogan tell blatant lies, as Alex Jones did? When Jones told his followers that the Sandy Hook massacre was faked, with paid crisis actors and the like, he was presenting a fantastic lie from the very beginning, as is now very clear. Has Rogan ever done anything like that? We can accuse him of being too credulous, but not of lying.
I've loved Joe since I was a kid. I don't always agree with him but I appreciate his willingness to have a discourse with anybody and everybody.
He’s great at boosting right wing propaganda
@lopoa126 And some would argue he's good at boosting left wing propaganda. Like Johnny points out in this video, I think he's largely uninterested in one particular mind set.
I wonder which one is worse...@@SpaderB13
@@Yakoaxxi Vladimir Putin is right wing and Kim Jong Un is left wing. They are as bad as each other.
It says a lot about society that this is bot unique and a break from reality
So this guys biggest critique is freedom of speech?
he starts with "its good to have a platform for freedom of speech", and then goes to "anyone who disagrees with me is not a freedom of speech".. Johnny Harris is a joke, he is the same Woke Police he kept mentinoing about.
yeah actually a pretty dumb take to say some people shouldn't be allowed to have a voice lol. Then you completely miss the point of Joe's podcast.
he says that fact checking the stuff that is being said is dangerous for such a big audience, which it is
Everyone deserves the right to speak, it should be left to the individual to choose whether or not to agree, disagree or to be offended, no one should have to power to make this decision on our behalf.
You didnt finish the video.
Should’ve been titled “my JRE application” my man’s was glazing him up the whole time. like damn bro
😂😂😂
Fr though 🤣
This needs to be pinned. Johnny saying Joe "sells contrarianism" when Joe is the most prominent mainstream reactionary political channel on youtube had me rolling.
jonny Harris is Biden
Pathetic. No mention of the founder of the Proud Bous, all the assault apologists, anti trans activists. Johnny Harris is a Joe Rogan Revisionist
The whole point of Joe's show is to let people hear what certain people have to say. Not to promote that person's way of thinking but simply to show you that mentality exists. He lets the viewer/listener determine their opinion of the interviewed person. He will criticize certain things and challenge certain things but his whole point is to give the mic to someone and help guide the conversation. Are there people on his channel that I think are batshit crazy? Absolutely. Are there outside of the box people that make some good points? For sure. Are there controversial people on his show? Yes. That is the point of his show. Give everyone with voice a way to megaphone that voice. If the end result is that most people gain some kind of value from each conversation, he's doing his job.
Exactly this 👏
oh yes, the only valid criticism of joe rogan is that he's too curious. what ground-breaking stuff here
Yep, seems par for the course.
How DARE we platform people who have different ideas! How dangerous! :) I am glad that his amount of supporters show that reason is winning, and reason takes time, and discourse. People just want to be fed comfortable, simple answers that agree with them.
@@carpo719totally. Promoting anti-science cranks and conspiracy theorists and anti-trans hate is totally just being "too curious". Let's give these people as big of a microphone as possible as since these "free thinkers" has such "ground breaking" ideas for our society 😂
@carpo719 the whole point is its not about platforming people with differing opinions its about platforming people with EXTREME fringe opinions that are so beyond conspiracy that you can't possibly be informed on the topic enough to create any real "intelligent discourse" this entire thing is meant to create. I like Joe but not even just the conspiracy stuff I remember he believed a guy who said he ran a marathon with both his legs broken and would train everyday until something broke and would still get back up as if we are in a fucking anime because there is no real way to disagree with him other than "that's too crazy to be real" and he'll say "but it is real". "Wow!"
The problem isn't that that Rogan has different ideas. This video is a wildly incomplete and misleading representation of who Rogan is now.
I was a big fan of JRE, this is not who he is anymore. He actively promotes and spreads misinformation. The people he gives a voice to are (more often than not) pseudo-scientists, transphobic conspiracy theorists, and self-proclaimed nazis. Rogan literally had a significant role in the promotion of anti-vax movements.
If these are the "different" ideas you want out there, then yes, it IS dangerous.@@carpo719
🎉🎉🎉🎉 finally some with brains 🧠
Can someone make a fact check compilation on Johnny Harris please
Tom Nicholas did a full analysis of Johnny Harris' china video. (which was totally not sponsored by WTO)
Why you’re wrong about Johnny Harris.
Well that would take too long there are too many lies in every video.
seems like something you want, so you should do
@@thehatmaniac6958 Tom did a decent job of pointing out his flawed sources but he didn't debunk it completely. There is another youtuber named BadEmpanada who debunked that video properly
Johnny is really smart and great at telling stories. I respect him and appreciate his effort to spread what he believes is the truth. However let´s not forget that he has been criticized several times before by fellow youtubers and journalists for oversimplifying information and wrapping "facts" to his own personal views / thoughts, which might help with spreading misinformation. Seems to me that this video is a bit hypocritical tbh.
Yeah there was a lot of bias in this video. He did state he is biased though.
100% agree !
"I'm a journalist. Sharing fake facts is a cardinal sin" lmao Johnny's hypocrisy is showing up slowly day by day. Keep doing this Johnny, we'd like to see your true colour.
Agreed
On his part, he did apologize and changed quite a few things including employing fact checkers. While Joe Rogan just nods his head while his guest tells lie after lie. Joe is mostly clueless.
I love how every time you said something negative about the show, you highlighted individuals he's interviewed who are right leaning or conservative. We get it! You're a liberal. You were a bit more obviously throwing shade than you probably meant to be
Duh, that's where critical thiínking and fact-checking get you:) Big shocker
Lol do you actually think he's Conservative? 🤣 he's a liberal shill that wants everybody smoking weed, taking mushrooms and steroids 🙄
Joe Rogan is proof that sincerity reaches more audience than journalistic protocol.
Edit: What I meant by "sincerity" is that he doesn't let someone else's agendas control what he says. And I know he is not a journalist. But established journalist outlets do seem to regard him as a competitor--which is why they seek to eliminate him.
Joe Rogan and sincerity go in opposite directions.
He is sincere in the questions he asks, but not in his views and opinions
So the best podcasts of his, are usually with the best guest speakers
He is a good interviewer who lets his guest speakers shine, so that's good about him
Op is delusional 😂😂
@@It-b-Blairfound the crazy leftist
@@daemoneko how is he not sincere? if he believes what he's saying, even if you don't agree, then he is being sincere. lol
The idea that joe Rogan is a some right wing extremist is absolutely insane, he actually pulled me towards the left to the point that I became a moderate democrat after being a republican. Now with the parties shifting so much recently I’m stranded in the middle, but Rogan was great for getting me away from being a right wing partisan. I’m thankful to Rogan for making me a more compassionate balanced person. He’s number 1 for a reason
Thoughts had by ignorant people
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@@circusbrains hes spot on dude. Did you not just watch the video? The words came right out of his mouth dude it’s amazing how some people can deny the truth when it’s right in front of them.
In a few months you will not know which gender you are 😂
@@EmanEgnarts-that’s left wing extremist ideology. Ironic the left calls the right ‘extreme’ while they’re extreme themselves 😂
It honestly surprises me that Johnny didn't already know this about Rogan, he's an absolute powerhouse. He doesn't care who you are or where you're from, he'll be polite and respectful to anyone who just wants to have a talk.
weird he hasn’t had an actual Egyptologist, or any lefty’s not the usual reactionaries who criticizes liberal and democrats type. Hasn’t had Abby Hoffman in ages too.
@@AloisWeimarWould they still go on?
He lies. He's jealous of Rogan I guess
@@AloisWeimar you automatically jump to the conclusion that he doesn't have those people on because he doesn't want to have them on. what if he invites them but they decline the invitation? or their management declines on their behalf? or they overlook the invite in their inbox? or they have conflict of interests? or they know they would be caught in i a lie in a long format, live broadcasted show?
Of course he doesn't care who you are or where you're from because you'll generate money for him if you're interesting enough. If there's one thing JR loves it's money, money, money
I feel like a lot of the comments are misunderstanding the main argument of the video. It’s not that Joe Rogan shouldn’t be allowed to have any guest he wants on the show - he should and the video admits it is a constitutional right to speak freely. Rather, it is not productive or good that Joe Rogan invites guests who actively lie and spread harmful misinformation on his show. The idea that “open discourse and free speech will weed out bad and harmful ideas naturally” is nice in theory, but realistically the people listening are not fact checking as they listen, or have the knowledge background to debunk lies. Listening with an open mind means making yourself vulnerable to seductive stories and convenient lies, which is why truthful reporting is such a valuable resource. It’s not always so easy to distinguish what is true or false, and Joe giving relative legitimacy to each of his guests makes that process even more difficult. JRE can still have a variety of guests with diverse views while being a bit more selective with who he invites, in the same way he refused to invite Trump.
Secondly, Johnny Harris is pretty charitable to the JRE and concludes the video undecided on whether he thinks the podcast is net good or harmful. The arguments are pretty nuanced and I think quite reasonable. So why are so many people so butthurt? It’s a bit ironic since they’re all defending the JRE for being open minded but also can’t handle their favorite podcast being critiqued.
The idea of "silence the bad apples" and "prevent them from speaking" is a nice theory, but way more horrific in practice.
@@noerknown You don't have to silence them, but if you have the slightest bit of responsibility you have to fac-check and debunk any BS. But podcasters don't have any responsibility as opposed to real journalists, and yet most people will definitely trust someone like JR more than actual journalists.
@@liviusssRogan is constantly fact checking people. That's like 90% of what Jamie does
The Alex Jones episode was one of my favorites. Pure comedy gold.
Me and my friend at work both told each other "Bro ALEX JONES IS ON JRE" when it came on haha
Agree, best thing on the internet
Yup. I find him very entertaining. I think he's off he's rocker, but he's entertaining nonetheless. Joe has even said multiple times that he thinks Alex is playing a character and he doesn't buy his insanity.
According to Johnny everything must be fact checked and can't just be what it is... an entertaining podcast.
hours long and when it was over, I was sad.
brain worms? I google'd it... yeah.. million of people have it. And that's at the beginning of that episode, where it's sane. Then shit goes wild. Shame how Alex Jones is banned, when he and his topics should be openly debated. If nothing else, that man can entertain.
Definitely didn't watch a jre episode after 2019 because this is absurd
I didnt watch it either... why is it absurd?
@@asarim-de-roJoe had a complete 180 in his political views
@@lollmaoimcoolno he hasn’t. He has always believed in freedom and loving all types of people. The left used to believe in free speech, bodily autonomy and acceptance of all kinds of people. All he’s done is realized that the game has changed.
@@lollmaoimcool How bout u reflect on yourself? its obvious the paradigm has shift. the left doesnt care about people. Its just control. I dont want to argue with you cause your mental state alone from thinking that must be on the otherside of the universe
people keep saying that.... with no evidence. HE didn't switch sides. he saw that the Left is NOT on our side. Nor the right
@@lollmaoimcool
Love your stuff man, but whether I agree with you’re political views or not (which I mostly do) I come here because I generally trust you to give us straight facts on history and subjects the media only shows one side too… not a fan of these opinion based videos
trusting johnny harris to give you straight facts lmao
yeah same here, sounds like a new york times puff piece
I've had plenty of disagreements with him in the past, especially on some of his foreign policy stuff, but I generally like his videos. That being said, this is his worst video yet, straight up.
Bruh, Johnny just misinformed you on JRE in the worst way. He's as bad as Rogan on getting facts straight in this video. You weren't educated, you lost IQ points. Sorry to break it to you.
you cannot trust this lib to tell you facts bro. he’s here to entertain, not inform
I am a Joe Rogan listener from Italy and I listened to him daily. What I like about Joe is exactly what you consider Joe's sin: as you stated, journalism should aim to spread fact-checked information, but Rogan is not a journalist and I do not think he aspires to be one. He has the freedom to host whoever he wants, and his choices will be freely judged by his community! I think the average human being has enough intellect to discern if the Alex Jones - type of guests are full of BS or not, and I personally stopped hundreds of JRE shows, because I didn't like the guest, the topics discussed or how the show was conducted.
So, you are more than free to critique JRE, but do not forget we all live (especially you, my fellow american friends) in a supposedly land of free!
By the way, great videos Mr Harris
johnny harris has shown his true colors as a grifter
deep
He's gonna start his right wing grift next
that CIA funding running dry
@@BPrimeTimeL LOL - hope you don't mind if I borrow that line in the future...
We have so many Rogan fanboys that literally can’t comprehend that maybe the bro Rogan fanboys all fit the same exact mold thinking that they are free thinkers 😂
I would argue that letting crazy people talk for hours is a great thing. You can see how stupid they are. If you cant, youre already lost. I value Joe a lot cause he does not judge people just from heresay.
I was looking for this
Exactly!
I hate censoring people, and everyone’s ideas should be given a microphone no matter how crazy.
💯
@@Milton_Friedmanite This is such a stupid take. Why don’t we put schizophrenics screaming about chemtrails on the evening news? Why don’t we let 3rd graders present their science projects at academic conferences? Information exchange without standards muddies the waters to the point of making it all useless. Not all opinions are created equal. The sad truth is that most people are too stupid to discern fact from fiction and just in case you’ve been living under a rock for the past decade, misinformation has become one of society’s biggest problems.
Yeah his whole video critique is pretty flawed. He should have just made a video about Alex Jones.
I think one of the main reasons that Joe Rogan has such a wide appeal is the fact that the podcast isn’t about him. There are long stretches in the show where he doesn’t say a word. He lets his guest just talk. Joe is the representative for the audience. At the end of an episode you feel like you were the one talking to the guest. And because Joe knows what the audience wants, he’s able to ask all the right questions so that the audience feels properly represented.
1000%
Good catch to why Rogan is a big hit!!!
Spot on!
Nailed it
10000000%
Criticizing Joe Rogan for letting people talk because they have 'harmful ideas' is a slippery slope. The beauty of his podcast is that it exposes a wide range of perspectives, allowing listeners to form their own opinions. Silencing people just because you disagree with them or find their ideas harmful is a dangerous precedent. It's better to challenge and debunk harmful ideas through open dialogue rather than suppress them. Joe's platform encourages critical thinking and discussion, which is essential in a free society. Censorship isn't the answer
but the thing is that it’s human nature to beat opposition down to have your ideas win. no one talks about this. we’re a barbaric species , and we have to fight that.
Listening to people you disagree with is crucial. You cannot argue in good faith without knowing what you're arguing with.
it is so basic. i couldn´t agree more
I agree so much
True, although I think Johnny’s criticism is valid. Balance isn’t always better. If you invite one scientist who endorses vaccines and one antivaxer, you create a false sense of equal legitimacy.
I guess thats the benefit of bringing on over what, 1500 guests now?
As many things in life, I feel it depends a lot on context.
A good faith debate about a topic with a lot of uncertainty or equipoise? Sure, any day of the week.
But a yelling match where uoure making claims without any attempt at evidence... I can only give so much time.
But not to worry, I don't feel the need to convince everyone of my beliefs. So while I may not want to hear someone scream that gravity is a conspiracy... I'm not gonna bother to get them to believe otherwise.
thing is that Joe Rogan governs his opinions using his principles rather than political views. His views might seem "all over the place" if you're weighing them against mainstream political cateogries, but if you boil his views down to their core principles, he has been incredibly consistent.
agreed, "all over the place" didn't really resonate with me, he's just honest and authentic, something that is severely lacking in general from media and personalities.
I beg to differ. his opinions on medical science are extremely naive and that stance *is* political.
@@popmonkey he's increasingly improving his knowledge on that too, as he said himself, he tries to correct mistakes
@@camatrusaca that's good to hear
@@mashmods it did with me and well at first but after a while I realized who he reminded me of.
my fellow white male Gen X ers who might still call themselves libertarians except "independent free thinker" sounds better despite all of them having exactly the same "authentic" views. naive views that can only come from a life of privilege that until recently they wouldn't even admit to.
I'm glad to see that he learns as he gets older. but he still seats Kennedy Jr in the same seat as deGrasse Tyson.
Joe Rogan has put a show that is so long that people can't hide behind talking points. It's a show that allows you true insight into who the person is or at least gives you the broad idea. It's an equal platform that anyone can speak on. That's the greatest part. On top of that Joe is there questioning their ideas and wondering how their thought process works.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.
@@filipgasic2642expand on that maybe?
@@filipgasic2642You get vastly less consequences if you're on the left
True, also it's for anyone to decide what they like, or believe watching on his show... that's the power of JRE, no pre-judgement and no censoring just cause somebody has a different opinion.
people who whine about the left but mean liberals and have a victimization complex about being a reactionary are so impotent
My 49 year old son doesn't watch TV, but he is a big fan of Joe Rogan. My son became depressed and angry, hateful, and p#%%ed off ALL THE TIME. He hates his job, he hates driving, he hates his life, he hates people, and he hates this world. If Joe Rogan is my son's plug-in to this world, I would say examine yourself as how much open $h%t you listen to. Use your own self diagnosis to gauge how much to tune in. Sometimes, it is good to change the channel. Take a break and mix it up. Stay sane
My heart is with you
I agree.
That's exactly what I was doing and I stopped.
So basically, Johnny’s criticism of joe, is that he allows anyone to talk freely? That’s what I understood from this video, which leads me to think that Johnny would like a world where everyone is background checked to make sure what they say is correct according to Johnny. I don’t know about you, but that sure raises my eyebrows
Sounds pretty accurate
Very establishment-esque. Not surprising from a former mormon.
seriously
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.
@@filipgasic2642 That has nothing to do with what was said and thats a stupid statement, freedom of speech does mean freedom of consequence otherwise its not free speech.
The best part of a free and open discourse is that no one person, not me, Not you, get to decide what is PRODUCTIVE and GOOD discourse. It blows my mind when people think they are somehow positioned to dictate what should and shouldn't be said. Everyone gets an opinion, the racists, blm, proud boys, boy scouts of America, everyone. It's a right enshrined in the constitution. Who cares if a weird dude or two go on rogan??? If the ideas are bad, they will be stamped out by lack of adoption. If YOU think they are bad, (and some definitely are) doesn't mean you should feel entitled even to feel like you could prevent the ideas from being shared.
Hear, hear 👏
thank god someone said it. johnny championing openness, then wants to decide what shouldn't even be heard. we can decide for ourselves who is a nutter that deserves to be ignored, and who knows, maybe we can even learn something by hearing someone saying things we disagree with. none of us knows it all, we are all learning and growing (hopefully)
Nah, actually you don't have to and shouldn't give nazis a platform on your hugely popular, giant platform to spew propaganda. Hot take I know.
How can I like this more, that is exactly what I wanted to say. He was almost leaning into being barr of the cancel culture.
100%
As someone who is clearly more on the right side of the political spectrum (here in Europe though), and having watched both Joe and Johnny since the beginning. Joe inviting these crazy and controversial guests has pulled me more to the center of the political spectrum than anything else in my life. Although I agree with 80% of what you have said in this video, I really disagree with not inviting certain guests because of what they say. As long as there is an overall balance between crazy and facts, I think this is a healthy thing. It helps me sort out who is actually crazy, and who is making a good point despite it maybe being "controversial".
Well put
Agreed
Sunlight is the best disinfectant for shitty ideas.
I completely disagree with Johnny Harris on the idea that people need to be silenced based on shitty beliefs.
Problem is, Joe doesn't confront some things he should. Alex Jones talking about alien ambassadors and government conspiracies is crazy and Joe either did not want to, or did not know how to, properly reason with him. Maybe people like Alex Jones cannot be reasoned with, such is the nature of the conspiranoic mind, maybe... But then, if there is no reason in the debate, why bring him on the show?
Fully agree with you, mate. I feel like this tends to be the stance of the less vocal (twitter or YT comments, etc) crowd. Perhaps I am wrong, but I feel like this idea of uninhibited discourse being a good thing perhaps appeals most to folks that don't care to engage in inane heated debates on the internet. And perhaps that's most people.
The idea that "free speech loses protection when it causes harm" undermines the very essence of free expression. Even extremist views should be heard, as they provide opportunities to critically evaluate different perspectives. Engaging with such views allows us to exercise our rational judgment, refine our understanding, and arrive at more informed conclusions. Censorship, by contrast, stifles this process and risks entrenching ignorance rather than fostering deeper insight.
So basically he's allowing people to speak freely and that's a problem because the masses can't be trusted to agree and disagree with the right things.
Sometimes, it’s what people don’t say that speaks the loudest.
@@CT-vm4gf...
So you want to instead think for people?
@@kaushalbarka9404 YES. Me personally. I will think for us all... FOREVER!
Correct. You have a responsibility to not misinform, that is not what freedom is speech is for- it's an abuse of it.
Hey, let me remind everyone people are allowed to say shit and be wrong. That's why people love Joe Rogan. That's why I watched Joe Rogan because I know I'm getting an unfiltered honest opinion and it doesn't matter if it's right or not.
“Doesn’t matter if it’s right or not”.
Well, that about sums it up doesn’t? Lol
@@ubcphysicsyangboim not allowed to think, waiting for left wing to tell me what to think
@@ubcphysicsyangbo🧑🦯🐑
What do you mean by allowed? By law? Or that it's morality okay for people to spout harmful conspiracy theories?
@@9justify but would you be willing to accept that you're wrong when proven? Because a lot of people don't care to acknowledge facts
people in the comments seem to misunderstand the difference between giving opposing views and spreading lies...
Yep, it's pretty scary... I'm not American so for me it's a little bit crazy to see all this.
this guy is the reason why 1984 can be a reality
bro got called fat phobic and the reasoning was that he observed a woman that was larger than most women and said “that’s a large woman”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣This is some tweaker shit
frrrrrrrrrrrr
explain. i have no idea what you are trying to say.
Johnny Harris is paid and sponsored by the World Economic Forum. He is a propagandist.
@@krakcahe wants to take away freedom of speech for a certain group that being right wingers
Kinda wild that he put Jordan peterson and Alex Jones in the same category.
Not too wild.
What similarities do they have in terms of their message?@@esterhammerfic
There are so many wild things said in this video.
He says that he thinks it’s extremely important to let people talk even if you disagree with them and then goes on to say that Alex Jones should not be featured on the podcast because he disagrees with him.
a lot of videos discrediting johnny's videos with proof of misinformation (through omission), lack of cited sources, and poor interpretation of historical texts have come out in the past few years. i've watched them but gave them little thought. i genuinely thought i found a channel with little to no political bias and equal coverage of all sides. this video disappointed me with a lot of logical fallacies and unfair portrayals of people.
Yeah
Peak liberalism right here
the comment section is up there with the video too
It hurt my brain
Spend almost 20 minutes being reasonable and discussing Joe’s background, then leftist gene kicks in .
Yeah pretty leftist
Yeah pretty disappointing
Yes, I also wish Joe Rogan would grill more of their guests, but on the other hand, when some guests speak for 2hrs, "their unfiltered truth," you can clearly see they're crazy or not as smart as they want you to see. Sometimes it can be good.
I think the problem with your optics into this issue is you're looking at Rogan's show as if its something journalistic like yours. That he's trying to get to the truth of some matter or another.
That's not his purpose, his purpose is to allow these people to speak in an uninterrupted form for an extended time, and minimally guide the conversation to entertaining areas.
He is offering them a modern platform that could be considered the equivalent of what books where: a way for someone to express their ideas fully without having to go in circles explaining themselves to bad faith argumentors.
And it's important to do that even with people like Alex Jones. The interesting aspect to that kind of episode is: how does this human being think? If he almost convinced you of something (before you remembered oh yea it's Alex Jones, gotta fact check this garbage), it's just a testament to the fact that even these crazy people can make compelling stories, and if it's half as compelling to you over three hours, imagine how compelling it can be to themselves over their entire lifetime.
It's an amazing platform to learn to understand how these people think.
Also, the comment about "waking up and realizing it's Alex Jones and checking facts" is very presumptuous. You state it's a case of your daily job being to fact check things, but you're essentially implying that most people are too dumb to realize "hey, that's a crazy person".
Most people are smarter than most people think. Enough so, that most people think they're above average.
Spot on
Hit the nail on the head with this. Well said. Joe respects his listeners intelligence. If you got to the end of the Alex Jones episode and agreed with him, or were swayed by him significantly, there wasn't hope for you from the start.
Journalistic? This video wasn't journalistic at all
Best comment here
Yeah great comment, couldn't argue more 🙌
I believe any person who has the ability to hold nuances in their mind, would understand that the show is not supposed to be factual (which Joe himself consistently states) but rather a discussion of ideas. We should learn to listen to people talk and not go batshit crazy for hearing things that do not align with our views. A casual discussion podcast should not be the place where people look for scientifically accurate discourse.
This podcast has allowed me to get to listen to so many people i would never have given the time of the day. It allowed me to understand my own perspective on their opinions and see the reasons for theirs (again not agree with them but better understand their pov and reasonings).
And at this day and age of shutting down opposing opinions, it feels like a breath of fresh air.
Beautifully put.
100% mate, I could not agree more.
Well said! I don’t like the idea that we need a gate keeper to decide what I can and can’t listen to. Let me hear both sides and let me make my own opinion about the topic. I think that’s why most people don’t trust major news outlets.
Absolutely spot on there. I’ve heard plenty of great information on his podcast that, when verified as true, has been useful to me. The opposite is also true, and that depends almost entirely on the guest that’s present in any given episode. Some guests come on with hard-hitting facts, some come on with outright lies, some come on just simply as misinformed human beings.
Like you said, people need to be able to hear discourse that goes against their personal beliefs without having an absolute conniption fit. Ideological diversity is arguably the most important kind of diversity for a healthy, well-rounded society.
100%
"Sometimes the best way to combat bad speech is to let that bad speech play out and let good speech overwhelm it with good logic and reason and a better argument."
This is the way to go Joe. The other ways have way worse outcomes.
you just said it, 'sometimes' only sometime. But most of the time, what happens is people creates bubble with same ideas they get influenced with. Social media platform adds fuel in those ideas, showing same narrative again and again. So we must confront when someone comes onto the show that has millions of reach and blatantly lies about what he/she is saying.
Johney seams to be trying to intelligently and intellectually silence / pressure joe from interviewing anyone who is a big No No by the MSM. If you are smart you can catch what I’m saying. Very sus
People have the right to listen to BS and enjoy some fantasy stories. No one said or thinks everything that comes on joe is correct, but we expect entertainment and watching the art of discussion
@@aseemlimbu7672 Social media is a group of people who just want their beliefs being confirmed not challenged, like seriously I watch tiktoks of an obviously conservative guy who I sometimes disagree prove with data sheets and facts that global warming is real, guess what? mfs still don't accept it despite of all of the facts, they think this a matter of beliefs. We need to listen to other people, the intelligent ones.
that's how bolsonaro became known. Going to gossip tv programs because his ideas were controversial and got them viewership. Now see the bad thing happened since then
This is America. Nothing wrong with giving people a chance to speak. Humans are complex and aren’t just good or bad. People need to be smart enough to not be gullible and believe everything they hear. Do your own research. You can’t censor discussion.
Johnny reminds me of myself in 9th grade when I discovered Jordan Peterson ... i wish you the best
this made my day thank you
gross
Perterson is a joke based on prejudice and bigotry told intellingently.
@@dementiasorrowdo you have an example of one of his views that is bigoted or prejudiced? Or do you just think what the left tells you to think about him?
@@calebhusby4107 "Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan show: Being trans is like ‘satanic ritual abuse’" seems totally kind and not prejudiced and bigoted at all, and joe rogan definitely has on very very kind and smart "thinkers" lmao ok
Joe Rogan invites both the left and the right. He also invites scientists and people he disagrees with. That makes his show very interesting.
The biggest problem with him is that he gives a very big platform to people who spread conspiracy theories and misinformation, and barely pushes back against them a lot of the time.
Being honest, conspiracies are fun. There are people who listen to conspiracies not for believing it but for entertainment, like me. @@FinneasJedidiah
@@FinneasJedidiahthere is no problem. You have a problem.
@@FinneasJedidiah Can we not trust people to make decisions on their own? What is the "right" opinion anyways?
He's developed a skill to keep him from eye rolling when a guest says what's absolutely BS.
Joe’s long form interview style is desperately needed in our media environment. Mass media treat viewers like they are simpletons. The fact that Joe gets more viewers to watch his show that almost every TV show (other than the Super Bowl and other huge sporting events) goes to show how hungry viewers are for real conversations.
Joe never interviewed anybody in his entire life. He has 3 hour long conversations where he never pushes back (or hardly) shares a lot of weird conspiracies and just goofed around. Highly entertaining but not an interview
We are in the golden era of podcasts. Lex Fridman is another thought provoking podcast host. You’ll never get long form discussions in big media “entertainment news” channels
He has a unique way of pulling stories from guests and asks questions. Definitely an interview.
@@MrJimheerenthe guest is the star really Rogan is just there to kinda prod them along really, he’ll switch up the direction of the convo or some shit if he feels he needs to occasionally but the guest is more of the focus
@@Allen667sjja I don’t know about you. But I’ve heard the the same dozen stories Rogan likes to tell at least a 100 times. Chimp’s, LSD, some fight stories, something that happened on stage the standard Rogan drill
If "explain to me like I'm a six year old" was a person.
Next: "Why you're wrong about Tim Pool" 😂
“Tim isn't a right wing grifter, he's just a normal guy that loves free speech and freedom. I may have a few minor disagreements with his politics, but the more I listen to him, the more I can relate to his worldview. He may get into many passionate debates, but under his tough exterior, he's really just such a nice dude that also has impeccable taste in head wear.”
- Johnny Harris, probably
Dude the problem is that Joe Rogan has lost his way, he's surrounded himself with conmen, liers, grifters and/or Right wingers. He has stopped being unbias and actually talking about both sides with some facts/reality. He's literally just thrown all reasoning out the window and went full conspiracy, Joe wasn't always this one sided. Getting old and COVID must have some serious affects on the brain.
When you only hear one side, where most of it is actual disinformation and verifiably false, you actually start believing the world is a certain way, even if everything else says otherwise. Cognitive dissonance and bias are very strong with most of us @@dotxyn
@@dotxyn I literally cannot tell satire anymore.
@@Cryptix001 It's okay to misunderstand, just like Ol' Timmy boy is misunderstood
@@dotxyn "he's just a normal guy that loves free speech and freedom" literally can't read that without hearing it in the Joker's voice.
Joe legitimately was my gateway to being a more kind person.
I came from the south and was in the army infantry when I started listening to him. He was the only tough guy I'd ever seen be open and honest about his emotions. He expressed empathy frequently and it freed me from my rigid position in life.
I never would have come out as bi and then trans if it weren't for tough guys being sensitive like Joe.
It's been years since I've listened to him, but his earlier content really reshaped my life's path in so many positive ways.
Joe’s relationship with his dogs is one of the best things I’ve ever seen. I love the contrast between Joe’s strongman style physicality and Joe tearing up over how much he loves Marshall. It’s amazing :)
good for u 💙
Bro should not have listening to him. Rogan thinks that the trans movement is bullshit.
That is crazy powerful, wow
I'm so happy for you
Can’t wait for the joe rogan Johnny Harris episode! I hope you’re gonna be able to ignore COVID conspiracies in person as well as you do on the internet!
The conspiracy that said the jabs prevent transmission and infection? Have you seen the report that the new variant is more likely to infect those that have been vaccinated? Joe was correct more often than the CDC.
And while I don't know the efficacy of using Ivermectin for the 'vid I do know that it is one of the most prescribed medications ever and that the guy who discovered it won the nobel prize in medicine. It is also used as a horse dewormer, it's so versatile. Any news organization that stated it was a horse dewormer without including the uses in humans shows you clearly they are propagandizing you.
I'm waiting too. That's gonna be interesting.
doubt it, as much as I'd want to see that pod, Rogan's said before he doesn't pay attention to online critics
@@Super.AmmarI0 online critics? Bro this is a puff piece
Such as it coming from a lab? Or is that accepted as a mainstream theory now?
Joe: I support universal basic income.
Spotify: Can we buy your podcast for $200M?
This is an application to be on JRE for sure 😂
It's honestly painfully embarrassing, I've always liked Johnny's stuff but this is Matt Taibbi levels of sucking up.
@@chrishird21nah Hes right
@@chrishird21 what
Doubt Joe wants some random NPR wannabe youtuber on his show
@@chrishird21 Johnny is criticising Joe in the video, this is not some desperate plea
I like the part where Johnny says he doesnt like the idea that you should expect the viewer to fact check what you say, you should just speak the truth. That comes with a very scary idea that we must trust everything the news, media, influencers and government tell us. Which is counter intuitive to the whole argument made by Johnny. While I do trust Johnny is doing the work to make sure his videos are factually accurate it does not mean we should blindly trust everything we see. In a perfect world nobody would skew facts to fit their narrative but that just isn't the world we live in. Great video either way.
I mean, he does do "fact-checking" a lot. Albeit it is on the fly by design, the podcast only works by having a flowing impromptu conversation.
The funniest thing is that his next video which was posted today is about how the President of U.S.A lied to start a war
I don't think he's saying that we shouldn't expect people to fact check everything. He's saying that people just don't and expecting that they will or do is maybe counter productive in some ways.
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Especially after viewing several of his videos and and especially this one knowing that he is a leftist liberal. That tells me (as I've already seen) he has an agenda also.
He's definitely better at not being overly blatant about it but it's still there. Also being associated with Vox at one time tells me a lot also. But like he has said we're human and we should be able to have a right to speak.... whether I agree or not.
😊
I actually lost respect for Johnny in this video. If it takes him this long to realise that Joe is not a far-right personality, then I am sorry to tell you all that he was living in an ecochamber, and now I am wondering what else he blindly believes.
The problem with censorship is that different people have different criteria for who should be censored. There is not a fine line between "should censor" and "should not censor" and why would anyone's opinion be more valid than someones else.
We censor things all the time. For example, you can't publish an article calling Johnny Harris a N*zi without getting his with a lawsuit for slander, which it is.
Thank you for saying this! I feel too many pro censorship people forget that there is no clear line on who should be censored.
When your opinions are hurtful on a large scale you should be censored
@@filipgasic2642 Hurtful to who? Your opinion is hurtful to everyone who is an advocate for free speech, so using your logic (hurtful on a large scale), you should be censored.
@@filipgasic2642no absolutely not. A large number of people find the LGBT community hurtful, should they be censored? I don’t think so.
JR has one major flaw: he more or less adopt the ideas and values of the guest, while the meeting is happening. He rarely goes against what they believe.
I never watched JRE because I always thought it was just guys sitting around shooting the shit. Years ago, I happened to watch one of his videos with Dan Flores, IIRC, and they spent the entire time talking about coyotes and wolves. I've been a fan ever since. I'm not really into the shows with other comedians but when he interviews knowledgeable folks from other fields? One of the best to ever do it.
Yeah I love those types of guests. If you haven't seen the Paul Stammets episode yet it's one of my favorites. Guys a mycologist, aka mushroom expert. Mind blowingly cool episode imo.
I agree - I avoid the political episodes, but the episodes with scientists are some of the most amazing I’ve ever heard
@@kait112 Agree love that British Astrophysicist
The whole point of free speech is so anyone can speak their mind. The idea that all information should be filtered if it’s too harsh is terrible for free speech and our society, let Alex say whatever he wants, if you believe him it is your choice, we are not children. Who has the right to dictate what is too much?
Preach brother, preach!
I think I just saw an eagle burst from the top of Mt. Rushmore clutching an American flag and a 64oz McDonalds Coke.
Yes he doesn't realize how belittling his opinion is.
The problem is that his "free" speech is directly hurting others by sending idiots to harass families. That's not free speech... It's literally the reason he got charged and went to court for it. Why is everybody overlooking this?
@@dominiklovric4026 Did he use JRE as a platform to do those things though? No he didn’t. As deplorable as those actions are, he was charged and Justice was carried out. You cannot spread ideas or creatively think without the risk of offending someone. JRE serves to give people a clearer picture of who people are and what they stand for, as opposed to the filtered half truths of main stream media.
I think Joe is 100% real. No persona. No marking gimmick. Just Joe.
He is not.. nor this guy Johnny
@@kap1526 nor you
Agree
All data is in front of you. Just use your little mind and get it corrected.
JRE letting the "media condemned" personalities come in and share their side is what makes it great. My opinion on a lot of those people have changed just by getting to see them for who they truly are. Mainstream media paints that picture biasedly and doesn't let you make up your own mind.
You get to see that these people, with radically opposing views on things, are fairly normal people who are passionate about a controversial issue. And if it goes against liberal media, they are clipped to show the bad parts and then the media tells you what to think about them.
That's what makes his show so special.
I've learned a lot of things from Joe's podcast that completely changed my life. Better sleep, doing yoga, meditating, healthy eating, all stuff I picked up from his guests. I'm turning 40 soon and I feel better physically and my mind is sharper than when I was 20.
Any recommendations on specific guests which you consider valuable?
@@jirkajindra11it’s pretty obvious (to anyone but Johnny Harris team) that there are stupid dumb convos he’s not invested in and then there are stimulating or insightful conversations. Everyone knows which Jones is.
@@jirkajindra11 Dr. Rhoda Patrick, David Goggins, and David Choe.
Have you ever considered to read books?
@@82MrKanistercant read a book while working lol
The best way (in my opinion) to find out who has the crazy ideas and the depth of that craziness is to let people talk. That’s one reason why freedom of speech is important. It’s how we learn from each other. Fact-checking is critically important with news and journalism, but that’s not what Joe does. He’s a forum for people to make up their own minds. That’s a great thing. Yes, many guests on his show spew things I think of as lies, falsehoods, or even hate, but I appreciate that I am being given the respect to make up my own mind about what these things are. The news media tells you what to believe. That’s not enough for a lot of people. We like to think for ourselves. I’m glad Joe offers a forum for ideas. I’ve learned a lot about people and ideas from his show.
I don't have time to check facts unfortunately.
@@shivaunt71 Neither do the "fact checkers"
@@shivaunt71are you saying you therefore rely on others to tell you what to believe? Fact checkers can only go on available information, in turn if information is being sensored, then how can what is presented from fact checkers be "facts"? I think it is best to let both sides speak and each individual decide for themselves, whether it be through their own experiences, knowledge, or expertise. Itherwise we run the risk of not being exposed to full truths and weaken our critical thinking skills.
This is why critical thinking is so important. I applaud anyone who wishes to actually find out the way things work for themselves, but you have to be open-minded and fact check things yourself and be prepared to do a lot of research if you actually want to end up with a reasonable understanding of any topic. Assumptions can help us get through life without becoming experts in everything which is impossible, but its critical to actually understand nuance in debates if you want to have an opinion worth listening to and scary how many people just make assumptions on the fly about decisions / policies which can have resounding impacts for thousands if not millions of people.
I somewhat find it earnest that he supports his view from factoids off the top of his head, instead of trying to artificially create an 'air-tight' argument. He doesn't directly imply everything he utters is absolute fact. Modern times allow us to fact check... well after the fact. I think that's a great opportunity to collectively get a clue of possible cognitive dissonances surrounding the topic.
If ideas are bad the best way to thwart them is through open discourse.
Amen
Not with fascists and the far right
@@californiacombativesclub202 -iq
@@californiacombativesclub202 “yeah that’s true for everyone except the people I disagree with”
@@californiacombativesclub202 They're that kind of people that most intriguing to listen to. If you don't listen to someone who you disagree with you can never form a proper and informed opinion of them. In a sense you are the fascist by not listening to fascists.
I knew as soon as I saw this, that this would be a hit piece. Johnny is such a lefty. You can hear why he doesn’t get why people w at to listen to Joe.
Seems like Johnny’s main points are as follows;
Rogan Podcast = Give people a fair chance to voice their ideas.
Johnny Podcast = Trust Johnny to find truth for you because he tells you that he fact checks everything.
Which recipe finds truth better?
It’s funny because I’m an ex Mormon as is Johnny. The one thing our church told us was to not read non church-approved material because it was “Satan”. And yet here is Johhny doing the exact same thing as the church that he left and I assume dislikes greatly. The church said they knew what truth was and that we could trust them. The irony is thick.
I believe the strongest attribute of Joe is the fact he NEVER takes a moral high ground in any conversation. This opens up possibilities for people to talk. When guests give good takes: good. When guests make bad takes: good, because then you'll learn to listen to people better and it's a skill we all would benefit to learn (as Joe's friend and fellow podcaster Lex Friedman says: to steelman the case).
No matter how stupid people are, listening is the MOST BASIC prerequisite to human communication and somehow larger media corpos forget how to simply... Talk. When interviewers disagree with their guests they just cut them off and vice versa which means two people are screaming at each other and not trying to find reason in their talking partner.
Johnny's believe to not give certain people platforms because he genuinely feels like it'll hurt people is noble, but I genuinely believe that'll make a domino effect that'll cause more censorship which'll finalize in something like North Korea's government or worse.
Debates are not decided simply by facts and logic, but also by one's humility, which translates to listening, which translates to being emotionally vulnerable, which leads to an understanding... Or tolerance.
For example, this is my personal belief but the reason why flat earthers are stalwart in their belief is not a cognitive problem, but an emotional problem. When people talk to flat earthers, they treat them like monkeys. Its like a sort of "I am superior, and your believes make me see you as subhuman" typeof attitude we give them that makes flat earthers so stubborn. We don't listen to them, we see them as shit, we scream at them instead of have a conversation with them, of course they don't listen. In their shoes, will we do different?
I don't know if people are reading this or not but I'm just writing this to get a grasp on how I think and feel about this video. Would be cool to have Johnny in JRE tho
I really like this response and it kinda covers everything I'd say about free speech and Joe Rogan's plaform.
This is what I was thinking when Johnny was critiquing Joe for having controversial people on.
Of course he does take the moral high ground lol. Ever heard him talk about transpeople?
@@pulpfictibased joe.
@@amogus1337-tw7wc more like bigoted Joe.
"How i got duped into becoming a Joe Rogan simp" is a more accurate title for this video, what did i just watch...
I can only assume you are one of the ones who have never watched it, and just hear about clips on the media
@@carpo719brother what Johnny Harris described was 2019 and before Joe Rogan. 2020 and beyond Joe Rogan is a right wing reactionary grifter who only has on antivax and/or white supremacists on his show
get your 4th booster
@@mathewblyth5940 I will in fact be doing that. The boosters are effectively how flu vaccines work, and if that's what it takes to not get covid so I won't spread it to my mom, I will take a shot that does nothing harmful to me
There was a time when NPR did the things that Joe Rogan does. Now NPR is thoroughly boxed.
When Alex Jones is on Rogan, his vitriol isn’t effective at persuasion because Joe’s audience is made of people who have the skills to evaluate diverse information.
I feel like I've learned more about Johnny Harris than about Joe Rogan from this video 😂
YEP
Agreed. I've unsubscribed 😅what a joke of a take
Great take..so true 🔥
@@johng0omurrand this is why you are the problem. You like him and what he puts out but in this video he has a different view to you so you’re unsubscribing? Very mature.
What do you mean ?
Once again I find the confusion of Johnny Harris informing us of history and facts but videos like this are just this guys perspective of someone, we should watch everything with a critical eye.
I'm really happy this video exists. Just shows you even the 'Trustworthy' ones are full of lying shit and purposefully ommiting facts
I lost trust in him ever since he called Julian Assange an ''asshole''. Now i'm just checking in from time to time cause i think he might be controlled opposition.
In my opinion the best way to discredit crazy people is to let them talk. I don't trust random articles/blogs as they always seem to over/under exaggerate things or straight up lie.
Someone get Johnny on Rogan.
I believe the difference between your approach to what you do (inform people, try to give people the facts etc) and what he does, is he trusts his public to think and chose what to think of the content in his podcasts. That's why it's becoming increasingly rare to see good quality debates, nobody trusts the public to make their own mind about something.
This guy doesn't get that, it's like COVID and the ivermectin thing they did to him. They said it's animal drugs, harmful to people and YET it turned out to be true!
The problem with Rogans approach though is that he treats most opinions as equally valid, when they absolutely are not.
@@FinneasJedidiah True, sometimes he does not know enough to push back on someone, but having listened to 2,000+ hours of Rogan, man, you never ever want to be in his sights when he detects bullshit - he asks harder questions of people than any interviewer I have seen. He does not let people slide by with bullshit answers when he detects bullshit. Sometimes it's actually brutal.
@@FinneasJedidiahI think that on a veeeeery basic level, actually, everyone’s opinion IS equally valid; ie everyone should have an ability to express their opinion. This is what Johnny begrudgingly defends of Ioe Rogan, and I defend it too… but I get what you mean, some peoples’ opinions are absolutely shit and Joe let’s them slide from time to time.
Good comment
I always know someone has not listened to Joe when they call him right-wing
Everybody left of Stalin is far right you know .... Even centre left people like Rogan ...
100%. There's Joe Rogan the actual person and the actual podcast. And there's "Joe Rogan" the boogeyman.
Someone from Breaking Points did a compilation video exposing how wrong those people are. He is an old school liberal. He is closer to Bernie Sanders than he is to Biden or Trump.
for example? @@Jason-gq8fo
He's got right wing opinions but he's left leaning.
What I like about Joe is that he will talk to EVERYONE and let them talk. Ultra-liberal... ultra-conservative...everyone in the middle - he will have debates and talks with all people. He's not your typical 'talking head' who pushes just one agenda by constantly talking over his guests. You don't have to agree with all his views and he can admit he's wrong.
Maybe in the beginning that was true but not for the past few years. He doesn’t have anyone on that disagrees with him and almost exclusively has on right wing guest. And I’d hardly call anything he does a debate. He’s known for being extremely malleable and will seemingly change his opinions depending on who’s sitting in front of him.
but u do realize that he's not well qualified to question his guests properly n that allows them to just use his platform to push any kind of rhetoric they want to millions of people, like u can't just invite people on and let them rant, there are certain protocols that actual journalism sets in place to avoid misinformation and that's why this new age of podcasting and the internet just being such an accessible tool to anyone and everyone has made it so easy to spread hateful n toxic n stupid ideas and we're seeing it now more than ever and that's actually the point of this video
@@parkeraustin2414The reason most of his guests are seemingly “right wingers” as of late is because the leftists are afraid to go on because their own cult will come for their heads if they do. It’s not like he doesn’t invite them or is pushing them away.
Except he won't have trump on, which disproves that narrative. He is well aware of the effect just being on his show has and has chosen to host some truly vile people.
@@parkeraustin2414Thats cuz left wing politicians and celebrities c it as a form of support for joe who they think is rly right wing so the optics make them look bad but right wing ppl lose nothing
Dude. Jordan peterson isn't a fringe character.
You seem eager to shut people down.
It's not flattering.
Idk man, he didn't used to be, but now?
Imagine being funded by the C.I.A. and still crawling over glass for another guy like this. LMAO.
who is funded by the CIA?
Can you explain it? I'm legit curious
Can you point to a smige of evidence to show that Harris is funded by the CIA?
Got any proof? Can't just be throwing around accusations like that without proof.
Alright Alex Jones, elaborate 😂
This video makes me question Harris' view on things from now on. And really retroactively on his past videos
Watch hasan breaking down his old vids and you'll see the breadcrumbs
isn't that the rich communist defending his valuables because he worked hard for them?@@golddragon51296
Funnily enough the idea behind this video is to be more critical about the media you consume and what biases are being mixed into them and his video makes us challenge how we view Johnny's videos. Kind of backfired succesfully, huh?
@@PlsDontReadThis123 couldn't have said it better.
I don't understand what everyone is complaining about. Seemed like a fair and balanced coverage regarding Joe. You can't stop free speech, even if you wish some people had less of it. Joe literally makes a living on letting people talk, he could be doing much worse; this is a public service.
"Which is why we rely on trusted voices..." Trusted by whom? EVERYONE has a viewpoint, and that viewpoint discrimination is what we need to discern. If someone is telling me, "don't trust this person", my question is, "why should I trust YOU?".
Well on the Joe Rogan podcast there have been many examples for people who aren’t necessarily trusted in their own field. For example Graham Hancock isn’t trusted by the archeology community he’s never been peer reviewed or published in an academic journal, yet Joe has had him on many times to promote pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo that a viewer without any familiarity on the field would take to at first sight
@@rohanpatel2828 peer review is a fraud...
everyone concious knew that for a long time... and all you have to looik is at the refcent clownshow with the alzheimer case or that other woman hack who blatantly made up garbage for an eternity and never got caught until recent
I think there should be a disclaimer at the start of a podcast with dodgy guests.
@@viktorianaswhat's a "dodgy" guest?
@@rohanpatel2828"Aren't necessarily trusted in their field"
That's a prerequisite for all of the groundbreaking geniuses who grew our scientific understanding of the world by quantum bounds lol.
That's why this generation will never do anything remarkable. It's entirely focused on obedience and conformity, maintaining the status quo at all costs.
Alex jones is like a Grand Theft auto radio character. I find him entertaining whether he is factually correct or not
Joe Rogan isn’t anti-mainstream media as an act. He is just everything that the MSM is not. He is open-minded and willing to change his opinion. He is curious. It’s a long format show with no deceptive editing or cutting segments to twist what a guest said. He’s not looking for a “gotcha” moment and doesn’t come at guests in a disrespectful or condescending way. He is an open book. Honest. Transparent. Authentic. He is not controlled. He doesn’t make the podcast about him, and all of that is almost impossible to find nowadays especially from the MSM and so called “journalists.”
He is either all of what you just said embodied in a rather simplistic, knee-jerk, kinda easy to manipulate guy, or a person who is significantly smarter but also hypocritical and who does this as an act. My own guess, contrary to what I would actually expect from such influential people, is that he is actually the former: an earnest, not terribly bright average 'Joe' who has made a very successful career out of being curious and wanting to talk about stuff even without understanding a lot of that stuff himself.
I kinda like Joe Rogan because he sounds authentic and because some personalities in his show have actually been very interesting, which oddly goes well with the fact that while being interviewed by him they will often have plain, casual, sort of easy to follow conversations. But politically, it is completely absurd to excuse him for all of the fringe protofascists he's had on (or for his own rather backward comments sometimes). Surely people have a right to speak their mind, but they don't have a right to be guaranteed to be heard by millions because they speak on Joe Rogan's podcast. Like for example, if I want to speak on his podcast next week, I can't do it just because I want: it's his show and he has to accept me, so it is of course his choice and his responsibility who he has on the program and who he doesn't.
And the fact is that when a concerningly high number of these people are bogus political agitators and basically snake oil salesmen and con-men, it makes all the sense in the world for others to criticize him for that. Or in other words: if it is of 'mainstream media' and 'so called journalists' to not want to give space to Alex Jones, and specially not for him to rant all of his nonsense views unchallenged, that speaks well of mainstream media and so called journalists, not of Joe Rogan. In moments like those, I wish Joe Rogan were a so called journalist.
I just don't get how u guys keep using terms like "open minded and willing to change" to describe someone who entertains hateful and regressive ideas
@@sadoklajmi ah yes, the unsurprising claim about Joe Rogan being hateful content has entered the chat. By hateful and regressive, do you just mean ideas and people that you don’t agree with?
@@jvjjjvvv9157False binary fallacy
“He is curious.” is the right way to summarize Joe, and is one of the biggest reasons why I and millions of people are such big fans.
Some people are afraid of people being curious. But I believe the vast majority of people who listen to JRE have enough sense to form their own opinions reasonably.
Anyone who resonates with Joe as a person likely has his same approach to trying to understand the world as it IS, rather than what the narrative tells them to believe. And anyone who has a problem with that can respectfully F off.
I appreciate bringing controversial figures onto his podcast because it gives me the chance to judge for myself whether or not I should listen to them more, rather than having all media and outlets decide that for me
This is a really good point. What I find unsettling about Johnny's critique is that his impulse or instinct is to control and curate what people should be exposed to. We as the audience have agency. We don't need anyone to decide what we should believe in our stead or by proxy. JRE provides a context where you get to hear everyone-even the crazy conspiracy theorists-and judge for yourself. Ultimately, you have to be comfortable with people falling for what you might consider as misinformation or ideas you don't like in a free society. No one gets to be a benevolent dictator.
Exactly let me decide instead of media doing it for me. Also Joe Rogan is actually the one guy that can't be cancelled.
@@jamillsantiagoexactly. While Johnny may have good intentions, his logic is flawed. One day he may very well be labeled as that "extremist", once you give someone that authority to decide what's ok to say and what's not it's a very slippery slope.
There is still some degree of looking out for the public as a whole. As a figure with an audience of that degree there has to be a certain percentage of people that listen and take everything as truth with no will finding out otherwise. That’s why you have to vet people and make sure you aren’t putting or condoning certain talking points.
Hard to just let be adults be adults..there’s more at stake if you understand what I mean. I do agree with letting us think on our own.. for those of us who still have critical thinking skills that is lol
Thank you! I totally disagreed with Johnny's critique. How will we know that they're crazy if we don't listen to them for long enough in an unfiltered manner?
This quickly went from a video about joe rogan to why anyone you disagree with shouldnt be allowed to talk and how terrible alex jones is lmao 😂
He treats Joe as a news source but he’s just a dude on the internet
Shows that Johnny Harris is part of the echo chMber problem and nothing more. I've unsubbed.
Glad i'm not the only one who noticed. Had the video on as background noise while i do stuff, halfway through the video i was like wait a minute... something ain't right here.
JRE would not be JRE without controversial guests. Johnny is a gatekeeping lefty statist.
Facts he went for the negative interview out of 2000 interviews. Then went on a 5 minute rant😂he lost me fr.
Alex Jones eventually turned on Rogan and called him a CIA operative.
I grew up thinking that phrases "I think", "I believe", or "I disagree" are the anthisesis of what true journalism is. Johny lambasts mainstream media for opinionizing while lavishly indulging in it.
Spot on
Not once mentioned that he's a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blackbelt. That is a huge part of his personality.
He also kicks like a shotgun shoots.
A huge part of his personality? I watch Joe Rogan from time to time and I’ve never heard him say this. Ppl make up anything to hate on someone I guess.
@@hundredbandzbulls On average it takes 9 years of consistent dedication to obtain a black belt in BJJ. He has one from Eddie Bravo who was instrumental in the evolution of nogi BJJ. You really think this is not a big part of his personality? He comments on MMA fights all the time.
@@hundredbandzbulls It's basically the foundation of his personality. Think what you will about fighting. I personally have aversion to violence as a means of solving conflict, but martial arts are so much more than violence. Discipline, art, fitness, anatomy, psychology, patience, spirituality... and at the end of the day, the same thing that teaches someone how to destroy and dominate also holds humility and tolerance as its fundamental teachings.... wait, what were we talking about.
it's also the one thing i really trust him talking about, because he seems to have extensive knowledge of martial arts.
should've been titled "Why i'm wrong about Joe Rogan" lol
First let me state that Johnny Harris is a treasure of investigative journalism on youtube. In the past two years he made some videos that go against the powers that be and has exposed things not in line with the neoliberal agenda. This has created a lot of backlash and hitpieces by pawns of those powers. I sadly feel now he feels pressured to conform not to be canceled. This on the one hand diminishes his truth power, but also allows him to keep reaching a big audience. This has put him in a difficult position. I still respect him and watch his videos and I hope for a world where a true journalist like Harris can speak his true mind without having to fear cancelation.
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Just had a "discussion " with someone about this. I told him I listen to everyone, that is how I learn to discern. Freedom of speech means everyone gets to talk. Polite speech doesn't need protection. Allowing everyone to speak, allows you to see and hear where they are coming from. If you pay attention, instead of becoming emotional, you will begin to see their fears and biases. This will also give you information as to whether they can be credible source of information or if what information they have is distorted by their fears. Watching people talk is invaluable.
Yes, but with a huge caveat. When charlatans get a huge audience to spread their wild ideas, bullshit, lies, misdirections or whatever else without a voice of reason to analyse it critically then it's the equivalent of giving Joseph Goebbels a hugely effective method of spreading his propaganda. Joe Rogan doesn't have this critical way of asking his guests the tough questions and demanding evidence for when some of them spread their misinformation. He becomes a victim of his own incredulity. Instead of using it in order to be skeptical when people say crazy things, he lets them say whatever shit they want and seemingly buys a lot of it himself.
Openness is good, but it needs to be tempered with skepticism and a critical mind. The problem with Joe is that he has the former, but lacks (or chooses not to use) the latter. So his podcast ends up as a pedestal for conspiracy lunatics in many cases.
If you "protect" yourself from speech you don't like, you become less informed, more anxious, less empathetic, and overall get a less intelectually rich mindset. Which I think is precisely what we see in the public discourse, both from the rich but particularly from the left
Maybe you’re asking to much of the general public. Critical thinking isn’t out societies strong suit.
Everyone gets to talk, but a lot of them have nothing to say that is true or in good faith. You can be so open-minded that your brain falls out.
@@RevCo78 Oh, how nice. Your concerned about my brains! But don't you worry, if they do fall out I won't give a sh*t about any of this, so it won't matter.
I think it’s interesting that you said your biggest praise is that he admits when he gets things wrong, and followed it up with being upset that he’s wrong sometimes. 🧐
Good point. Also cherry picked statements completely out of context by JRE guests seemingly to push a point Johny is making. And a lot of "boxing in" people (JRE guests) as well.
The duality of man. “I hate what you have to say but I’ll die for your right to say it”.
Same with the importance of free speech and then whining about not censoring too much and letting people speak. Honestly Harris lost me with this video. And no Im not some hardcore fan of Joe Rogan but I hate duality of man and framing "objective" critique into heavily onesided political view. I'll stay with the historical videos about US gov and thats that.
Joe is wrong ALOT and doesn't ever admit it.
@@RevCo78 Tell me you don't listen to his podcast without saying it.
PS - "I disagree" is not "you are wrong"
If you don't understand that free speech means people need to do their homework and their own fact checking, you don't understand deeply enough the difference between democracy and authoritarianism at the most basic level.
Something that I think is really important about the open discourse in the JRE podcast is that there is real value in hearing "the other side of the argument" in a long and nuanced way because then you hear what the insecurity and the fear is on the other side. So often ppl are bulldozing and fighting others because they are feeling bulldozed themselves. Addressing that fear is how we mend division and conflict in our society.
Where do I not hear the other side of the argument? I hear homophobia and transphobia everywhere, in every country even if I actively try to avoid it. I know how those people think and people like jordan peterson, ben shapiro and matt walsh actually want my friends dead or for them to vanish. There is no good faith there. There is no both sides-ism when one side is genocidal.
the right and left have a lot of common ground. it's easy for people in the middle to see. we're watching two sides want the exact same thing, but too busy arguing over hot button topics that are forced into the narrative so that those real topics are never addressed. that's the divide, the real divide. keeping us blaming each other instead of the actual culprits
"because then you hear what the insecurity and the fear is on the other side." It's not just this. You get everything you are able to get from more context.
@@EgoistTheMoon agreed, that long form time spent on context is so important to understanding people.
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Straight yappin, bros a journalist that wants censorship because he disagrees LMAO
xqcL 😎
When did he say he wanted censorship? He literally commended Joe for inviting all types of people.
@@breaktrancesYou must have turned your brain off from 16:00 onwards.
@@breaktrances he has a problem with joe inviting alex jones... what more has to be said
He said he is a "fact checking full time journalist" : in the Coup video he said America orchestrated a coup in Lybia, showing a Nato logo: where did he find this news? Not even Libyan hardcore America's haters say so
Can't lie, I Love Joe. He gives everyone an opportunity to voice their opinion, whether they make themselves look good or bad is on them.
Giving a voice to the worst and not fact checking them is dangerous. I like that he has all types of people, just dislike so much he doesn't challenge people who are spewing dangerous stuff.
@@Homer-OJ-Simpsonwhat dangerous stuff? What a real world example of a negative impact of one of Joe Rogans interview that you can trace back to that interview being the instigating cause?
@@Homer-OJ-SimpsonI can say with 100% certainty that the reason mass shootings happen so often now is because of how much attention and fear mongering main stream media gives them. They give these losers a spotlight and paint them up as larger than life, and that inspires others to go out and achieve the same. But Joe Rogan is the problem?
@@devin6201people who listen to the likes of Alex Jones or other alt-right voices won’t be inspired to engage in violence after one podcast from Joe Rogan. They likely have already been listening to these people for years, or they’ve had these ideas for a long time, then heard said person speak, listen to more of their ideas, and then choose to act out. It is highly unlikely that some nutjob will be inspired to violence by Rogan’s show. What it will do is allow distorted beliefs to continue circulating. That’s why many media pundits don’t have right or left-wing extremists on their shows. They don’t want to spread what are essentially lies around.
The one positive thing that comes from Rogan having these people talk uncensored, is it causes non-followers to disagree with said views even further, and for legitimate journalists and researchers to gain ammo against people like Jones, Owen, Mcinnis, etc… You could look at Rogan’s podcast also as an archive of crazy crap people have said
@@Homer-OJ-Simpsonhe is not a journalist. He is a podcaster who is having a conversation. So the factcheckingpart should be done by the person who listens.
"and even the ones I disagree with, there is so much value in letting them talk." - Johnny Harris. Yet this changes when you disagree with them too much.