My Discord Debate with Muslims on Rebekah's Age at Her Marriage to Isaac
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How did you come up with the age of 20?
I read the book of Jubilees, but I did not see any verses about the age of birth or the age of Marriage?
can you give me the verses, and how did you come up with the age of 20?
In Jubilees, we read that:
1. Year 2002 Rebekah is born.
2. Year 2027 Rebekah is married.
3. Year 2046 Rebekah gave birth.
4. Year 2157 Rebekah died.
So, 25 years old (or 20 years old with a minor textual variant) at marriage, and 44 years old when giving birth. The year "2002" is derived when she says "I die now at 155" in year 2157.
@@SentinelApologeticseven in Olam Rabah 1 original variant is that she had 14 hahah, European manuscript was contaminated by addition in Tosefat Sefarim 1-4 from 8th century and scribe who copied Olam Rabah misscribed that addition from Tosefat (work from 8th century and pay attention that have addition in ot even later) Yakov Eden, famous Jewish rabbie admit that.
By the way, muslim's sons of satan lied about translation 😂
By the way, Rebecca was called:Betulah/Almah/Narah which in Bible Always means girls that past puberty. Start adolescence and can born a child also a Chickuni comentary on Genses said that!
@@SentinelApologetics Alternatively:
Book of Jubilees 35:6 has Rebekah at age 155 when she dies. The next chapter has Isaac dying 5 years later at 180 (36:18), so Isaac was 175 when Rebekah was 155. This means Rebekah was 20 when she married 40 year old Isaac.
@@SentinelApologeticsbro this Muslim sons of satan lied, first with opinion Rebecca was 3 was Rashi and i explained why, also same Rashi called her Narah which means that by rabinic standard she was at least 12.-5 years+ one year more to wait between bethrowal ans marriage so she was at least 13.5 years+ puberty old by same Rashi. Why he said she was 3?
Two options: his grandson Rasbam said he wrote Torah explanation in alegorical manner,
Second: he believed in some Rabbinic legends that said that patriarchs like Terah Abraham's father, Abraham, so probably also a Rebecca, grand doather of Tearah, doather of Abraham's brother were super human and developed much faster.
They believed that Terah was a giant, Abraham with 8 was already grown up man ect. So they probably also believed same stuff for Rebecca because look in their sagas she lived also like 2 times longer than usual man.
jubilee is usually the 7th week/ year, or 50 years. so 49 weeks? i think not. 21, sounds possible, or 150.
“I will love you for the sake of Jesus, but you’re still a creep.” Rob ate with that one. These guys are so insufferable. God bless you for your patience and willingness to dialogue with them despite their inadequacies.
They are sons of satan. So much lies, sorry that i wasn't there 😅
A three-year old carrying enough water to water all the camels of Abraham’s servant is nothing short of miraculous. It would be dozens of gallons this toddler was sprinting around with.
That's even beside the point. It is not in the Bible. It's a ridiculous misunderstanding of a passage in the Bible by a scholar. Anyone who spouts this has only heard it from a Muslim dawah person who is deliberately tricking them.
@@ImCarolB I agree with you final statement, but I reject that it is beside the point. My flippant comment was meant to highlight that, as you said, not only is her age not mentioned in the Bible, but also that the description of Rebecca in the Bible is comprehensively incongruous with a 3-year old. It would be impossible to conclude from her actions and speech in the Bible, that she is anything less than a young woman or teen.
“3 year old is the opinion of majority of scholars” what scholars you ask? Abdool scholars of cause😂
@@DingoNovember It's literally a single scholar from the medieval ages drawing from non canonical books. That would be like Christians bringing up the satanic verses in the haddiths. It could be dismissed as non Canon. Muhammad marrying a 6 year old and consummating the relationship at 9 is part of the Islamic Canon however.
She is referred to multiple times as Almah. This word is also used to describe Moses sister. It is used to describe young women not children
She was called Betulah/Narah/Almah which on Torah always means minimum of girs that past puberty, start adolescence and can born a child.
20:11 “Rebecca was 3! But I can’t give you explicit documentation for it!” ≈ _Abdools._ BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!‼️ (21:54.)
Very Abdool of him to say that😂😂😂
This looked fun and frustrating. They almost won't engage with you unless you do it this way.
The fact that this even needs to be debated in the first place is ridiculous 😂
Great job, Rob! I loved your energy!
I would say this is a classic example of Muslim Eisegesis, but that would imply they looked into the text to formulate their argument. But no some later Rabbis said it so we’re gonna roll with it as fact.
🤣lol fax
Rob is too patient with these Muslims 😂
19:01 I’m doing my best concerning the “the English language”, but no Bible in any of the languages I speak says that “Rebecca hauled waters for a flock of thirsty camels, welcomed Abraham’s entourage to her home and got married at 3”. 😼🤣
So: *NO!!! I DON’T “agree”* that the woman described in the Scriptures was “3 years old” when she accepted the marriage proposal given via the servant of Abraham!!
Genesis 24:20, verse 19 to 22
When a Muslim claims to understand your position and says they are listening. Ask them to repeat back the position. I would guesstimate that 95% of the time, the Muslim will fail to comprehend what is being said in the very topic y'all are discussing. And I'd guess 80% can't even repeat the last sentence you just said
It's interesting when Abdul said: it's literally in your Bible written that Isac married Rebekah when she was 3 years old 😅. Where? Show me the Verse. 😂😂😂
It's in Lies 66:6
Islamic sources don't work the way Christian sources do. So they think that the Christian sources work the way Islamic sources do not. According to Christian sources 3 isn't an acceptable age for marriage, according to properly sourced Islamic texts, 9 is the age Muhammad consummated his relationship with Aisha, and if the prophet didn't sin, then according Islam having a sexual relationship with a 9 year old isn't a sin. Therefore Islam promotes child Marriage.
jeez bro this debate was just interrupting you need to do private moderated debates on discord when i hear everybody interrupting each other
they literally fail the logic, and logical consistency, check- EVERYTIME
when you ask for something, it's all "one second.. one second.. **stupid "point" while committing a series of fallacies**"
@@uhh6785 genuinely shows how demons can blind someone even if you spell it out for them. All we can do is pray for them
They're so dishonest and bad faith
"The vast majority of scholars" 😂😂😂
By majority, he means Muslim imams desperately coping
@@vanuaturly Sheik google is the vast majority of scholars 🤣🤣🤣 "the first 10 links" 🤣🤣🤣
@@UnknownsoldieroftheLORD Just for fun, I Googled that, and what do you know! All of those links were saying she wasn't three!
@@Furinkazan541 that is to be expected, nobody reading Genesis will think she is 3 unless you have other motives
@@UnknownsoldieroftheLORDThe best part is that their only source is one Rabbi who lived almost 2000 years after Rebecca that everyone disagreed with
Awesome breakdown Rob, keep on exposing this pathetic lies
Invincible ignorance is one of Allah's attributes
What a frustrating bunch.
the scripture says ''young WOMAN''
beautiful
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@@SentinelApologetics Love you brother God bless you
About Rebecca's age at death; we can't simply take statistics saying that these many people at this period of Earth's history lived up to age 70 for example and make that the rule for everyone in that period regardless of country, home environment, lifestyle (including dietary habits), etc. All those things are incorporated into longevity.
Man is a soldier, took down each objection and it was like 20V1
I like how that one guy is trying to teach Hebrew wrong. I don't know but a tiny, insignificant amount of the language and I know what he's getting wrong. He makes it too obvious because he won't stop saying "definite article" when you can see the term in Exodus is appiled to the word "Her".
I do love that within 5 sec, we get mod abuse. And thats ignoring context of said debate.
Discord be something.
Awesome job! I guess they skipped over the scripture saying Rebekah was "barren" and the appointed "woman". Gen 24:44, Gen 24:60-61, Gen 25:21
They couldn't get him on what the Torah says or book of Jubilees, so they revert to arguing over people's supposed opinions. How intelligent 😅.
these guys tried really hard to waffle away from this when shown they were wrong
This is a profoundly problematic and false claim.. The holy Bible, the only authoritative source, repeatedly calls Rebekah a young woman in Genesis: Abraham’s directive to his servant is to find a young woman for Isaac’s bride, & the servant inquires for direction if the young woman doesn’t want to go with him. The mission’s objective is clear that the servant is to find a young, unmarried woman for a bride. Rebekah was able to shepherd flocks, a dangerous job no toddler could perform, and she was mature enough to be able to discuss the proposal of marriage with her family and to decide for herself whether or not to accept. She was physically strong and able to perform an adult female’s chore of drawing water from the well for Abraham’s servant and all ten of his camels. Based on the amount of water a camel can hold, Rebekah drew well over 5,000 pounds of water to accomplish this task. Rebekah was clearly a young adult.
She was called: Betulah/Almah/Narah which always in Torah means at minimum girl that past puberty and started early adolescence and can born a child. Even rabbie Chickuni admitted that (famous Jewish rabbie from 12th century)
Do Muslims trust other Muslims? I am genuinely curious. As a rational man, if I saw my brother being deceitful to someone else, even if I disliked the other person, I would become hesitant to trust anything my brother says.
If I were Muslim, I wouldn't trust other Muslims. Being deceitful isn't limited to their apologetics, either. Muslims are allowed to lie if it conceals a sin (since confessing a sin to another is a greater sin in Islam than lying), which effectively gives them free reign to lie all they like, even to other Muslims.
The script was perfectly recited well done muslims.
Only one person can really be heard at one time. This talking over each other is not how people listen. No one can focus on multiple people talking over each other. This video is a disaster. I got as far as 4:39 and now I’m moving on. The host should be the one to regulate the discussion ONE AT A TIME.
Show us!!!
True , they don't read the entire chapter, just what their scholars tell them.... Rebecca not only carried water out of the well for Abraham servant's camel but also for all those who accompanied him.. imagine a 3 year old doing that... But how else can you defend Muhammad apart from lying 😅
Rebekah was a time traveler
I dont even see the correlation even if she was 3, It would be condemned. The cult like justification for when Muhammad does it to a minor is absurd. We are Christian’s who follow Christ Issacistian’s
What verse says she was 3?
The guy making up his own rules for the Hebrew language was pretty amusing. I think he should stick to go Arabic.
I know everyone sees the ridiculousness of this argument by now. Basically, Muslims have to lie to make “the Rebecca was 3” argument work. Another crucial detail I want to point out another detail 😂
1. The phrase “after these things” serves as the only link between the events of Chapters 21 and 22, suggesting an unspecified interval of time. If one argues that Rebekah was only 3 years old when her birth was announced, they would have to consequently assert that Isaac was 6 years old when he married her. However, Genesis 21:1-3 describes Isaac's birth, while Genesis 22:1 introduces the phrase “after these things.” Based on this reasoning, Isaac would have been 3 years old when Abraham received the news about his brother Nahor having children and grandchildren. This line of reasoning, which some early Jewish sources developed and Muslims later adopted, implies a misunderstanding of the timeline. Since Isaac is 37 years old in Chapter 22, it is clear that the phrase “after these things” signifies an indeterminate period, rather than a precise sequence of events.
2. By the time we reach Genesis 22:20-24, verse 20 again begins with “after these things” and mentions Rebekah’s birth in verse 23. This clearly indicates that Rebekah was already born. The interpretation by some Muslims and others who misread the text overlooks this context. Nahor had eight children and twelve grandchildren, with Rebekah being specifically mentioned among them. To assert that Rebekah was born at the exact moment Abraham received news of Nahor’s children and grandchildren is logically flawed. Following this interpretation would imply that all of Nahor’s children and grandchildren were born simultaneously, which is clearly impossible. To put it plainly, claiming that Rebekah was born when Abraham received this news would also mean that her father and uncles were born at that same moment, as their births are mentioned too. This interpretation does not stand up to the textual evidence.
I appreciate the efforts of these type of conversations, but boy I’m beginning to get annoyed and irritated by this type of dialogue through these forms because there’s never any order and constant over talking one another and just a mess
Perhaps the older I get the easier it is for my patients to wear thin lol
Stuck for allah hahahahhaa @7th century
I googled it, it said 14.
The top link in google is Reddit keep that in mind lol
In no world is 6 years old mature in anyway.
Genesis 24:19-20, how can a 3 year old water camels?
So much fallacies from these Muslims, red-herrings, shotgunning multiple points so he can avoid addressing 1 point at a time.
If Rebekah was three when Issac married him, I would say he was wrong. Muslims your podo momo married Aisha when she was nine can you say momo was wrong. Muslims use your mind. You can do that.
@@aidashitaye you know whats crazy to me thats even more funnier
Is that AISHA HERSELF WROTE THE HADITH
Wich makes muhammad case even more worst cause not only the victim record it and confirm it
She even wrote that allah allowed it
Hahahahahaha Muslims are a bunch of P3dos hahahhahahahaha
What do the jews say 😂 ?
Don’t give us Father Christmas worshippers opinions please give us the source code