Bert Convy's stint subbing for Bud Collyer paved the way for his long-running success as the host of Tattletales. He kept the show movingand had good rapport with the panel and contestants.
Many of you may not know that Bert Convy was actually a professional Minor League baseball player for the Philadelphia Phillies organization for two years in the early-1950s.
I never realized the set and the theme of "To Tell The Truth" were changed a few months before the network version left the air. I could see why: The theme music had to be updated, and the set was redone to make it more colorful and more attractive on color TV sets.
+Jessy Leppert That could have been a possibility. I just wonder if they thought about doing it in Los Angeles at the time or not, considering that the rest of the shows Mark Goodson had on the air originated from there.
The prize money was always $100 per wrong vote on the daytime show, and $250 per wrong vote on the evening show. The evening show ran on CBS from Dec 56 till May 67, and the daytime show ran from Mar 62 till Sept 68. Both versions were colorized in 1966. Bud Colliyer was the host all 12 yrs on CBS.
Several of the notes in the comments were incorrect. The original TTTT was done at CBS Studio 52 which later became the venue for the nightclub Studio 54. The reboot of TTTT in 1969 was the version that started at the Ed Sullivan Theater and moved to Studio 6A (Conan/Letterman) at 30 Rock. This show was never colorized. They didn't and couldn't colorize in 1966. The later shows were just shot in color. The color also prompted them to eventually put a new "skin" on the existing set and change the music. I had been told by a stage hand when I went to a few of the shows in 1973 that the contestant desks from the 1969 mod set were the same reconfigured desks from the original run. In fact, if you look at the desks in the 1969 version you can see a piece of wood or card covering the center indicator light from the previous audience participation configuration.
Ron Hamill They were actually from the Mike Wallace pilot, where this feature started. the middle indicator was identical to the other four. They covered it when series time came round till they started it again.
One thing I liked about Goodson-Todman: they adapted their game shows to the changing times. Look at the shows that originated in the 1950's or early 1960's and see how much they changed either in their original incarnation or subsequent incarnation. Even the later episodes of the John Daly-hosted "What's My Line?" adapted to the changing times, if not in formal wear, at least in the contestants and mystery guests they had.
This was Bert Convy's first Game Show hosting assignment. This was under orders of James Aubrey who was on a youth kick. Robert Q. Lewis was to host that week. But Aubrey over-ruled Mark Goodson and had Convy host the week. When To Tell The Truth went off the air, it was just as well, because Aubrey was planning to replace Collyer as host with Convy had the show been extended another year.
Lewis subbed many times for Collyer. Some speculate CBS was on a youth movement, and forced Goodson to use Convy instead. That was why Convy replaced Tom Poston on the panel.
@@someguy23475In addition, Bud’s health was starting to deteriorate. He had some chronic heart problems, and, sadly, died only 2 years later at the relatively young age of 61.
The daytime CBS show was replaced by the expansions of the soap operas THE GUIDING LIGHT and SEARCH FOR TOMORROW from 15 to 30 minutes in September 1968.
+Terrence Pickett True to a point, "SFT" was expanded from 12:30-12:45 to 12:30-1; "GL" replaced "Art Linkletter's House Party' at 2:30. Linkletter then moved to 4 PM and "Secret Storm" moved to 3, replacing "TTTT."
Both Silverman and his counterpart as VP of daytime programming at NBC, Lin Bolen (considered to be the model for Faye Dunaway's character in the film NETWORK) felt game shows as they were appealed to an older audience not as desired by advertisers. At least Bolen tried new hosts, new concepts and the like, instead of dumping them wholesale, as Silverman did during his stints at the three major networks.
Paul Duca meanwhile Michael Eisner, who was the daytime head of ABC had the hit game shows the dating game and the newlywed game (which were produced by Chuck Barris) and Monty Hall's Lets Make a Deal.
James T. Aubrey wasn't working for CBS in 1968, as he was relieved of his duties at the network in February 1965- it was probably daytime programmer Fred Silverman's suggestion that Bert pinch-hit for Bud that week. This edition originally aired near the end of the original daytime version [3-3:25pm(et), followed by five minutes of "THE CBS AFTERNOON NEWS WITH DOUGLAS EDWARDS"].
It's my understanding that Fred Silverman wanted Bert Convy to replace Tom Poston because he thought Convy's looks would have more appeal to women. But when he tried replacing Peggy Cass with Joanna Barnes, Mark Goodson put his foot down. Peggy and Kitty had the same sort of chemistry that Dorothy and Arlene did on "What's My Line?" and Peggy was a far better game player than Joanna.
I'd like to find a good recording of the '68 daytime theme and incidental music. As far as i can tell, it's not available anywhere. I've heard pieces of these music beds used on other Goodson-Todman shows. It was used occasionally on the syndicated version of "What's My Line" when Johnny Olson would give the sponsor plugs for contestant prizes.
I don't know much about Loretta Lynn so I looked her up. Why are they calling him Moony (Moody?) when his name was Oliver Vanetta Lynn nicknamed Doolittle? I don't get it.
@@joeambrose3260 Bert Convy was born in 1933. This mean he was 35 years old when this show aired and in his early 40’s during the 70’s run on Tattletales.
Ah, yes, Fred Silverman. Let me just say he is not exactly one of my favorites, mainly because of his programming decisions involving game shows (not to mention him nearly ruining NBC in the late '70s/early '80s).
Silverman came to NBC after helping turn around CBS ( helping get rid of shows that skewed to older viewers and helped bring in shows like Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, Sonny and Cheretc), then ABC (Charlie's Angels, Love Boat, etc), but Fred quickly drew the ire of Johnny Carson (Silverman thought he was overpaid, even though Johnny brought in a large chunk of NBC's ad revenue) and Johnny played hardball to get a big deal with fewer days per week (3). Cutting the show from 90 to 60 minutes and a lot of vacation. But Fred came up with some major clunkers (Pink Lady and Jeff, Supertrain). In a sidenote, Al Franken blew his chance to replace Lorne Michaels as executive producer of Saturday Night Live with a Weekend Update segment griping that Silverman got car service and it was the "Limo for the Lamo" plan.
Why did the prize money go from a high of $500/wrong answer to a low of $100 in the late 60's. Anybody know? Was the show pulling poor ratings and if so why did it continue so many yrs after?
This episode is from the daytime run which was five days a week versus the prime time version that aired once per week and had a bigger audience share and also being in prime time could afford to give away more money.
This is one of the few clips I've found on RUclips with the "new" theme song. I've only seen one TTTT episode on GSN that had this theme song. Kinda lame, IMHO.
Think if it as "transitional," between the swirling dramatic strings (say, Barney Hill, the wonderful UFO abductee of 1966), and the "mod" harmony if "You Better Learn How To Tell The Truth," 1969. I like the choice of Loretta Lynn and her husband here.
Bert Convy's stint subbing for Bud Collyer paved the way for his long-running success as the host of Tattletales. He kept the show movingand had good rapport with the panel and contestants.
That, combined with his popularity on Match Game, also helped pave the way for his stint on Super Password.
Robert Q. Lewis looks great in color.
Many of you may not know that Bert Convy was actually a professional Minor League baseball player for the Philadelphia Phillies organization for two years in the early-1950s.
I'm a Christian and 99.9% all about Gospel/Worship music. Conway and Loretta are about the ONLY county singers I do listen too
I never realized the set and the theme of "To Tell The Truth" were changed a few months before the network version left the air.
I could see why: The theme music had to be updated, and the set was redone to make it more colorful and more attractive on color TV sets.
This was terrific!!!!!
Friend of mine actually was a grandmother at 30 because she had a daughter at 15 and that daughter did too.
Bert could've been host of the 1980 revival of To Tell The Truth instead of Robin Ward.
+Jessy Leppert That could have been a possibility. I just wonder if they thought about doing it in Los Angeles at the time or not, considering that the rest of the shows Mark Goodson had on the air originated from there.
The prize money was always $100 per wrong vote on the daytime show, and $250 per wrong vote on the evening show. The evening show ran on CBS from Dec 56 till May 67, and the daytime show ran from Mar 62 till Sept 68. Both versions were colorized in 1966. Bud Colliyer was the host all 12 yrs on CBS.
Taped at the Ed Sullivan Theater on Broadway. Steven Colbert does his show there today.
I Miss David Letterman
Several of the notes in the comments were incorrect. The original TTTT was done at CBS Studio 52 which later became the venue for the nightclub Studio 54. The reboot of TTTT in 1969 was the version that started at the Ed Sullivan Theater and moved to Studio 6A (Conan/Letterman) at 30 Rock. This show was never colorized. They didn't and couldn't colorize in 1966. The later shows were just shot in color. The color also prompted them to eventually put a new "skin" on the existing set and change the music. I had been told by a stage hand when I went to a few of the shows in 1973 that the contestant desks from the 1969 mod set were the same reconfigured desks from the original run. In fact, if you look at the desks in the 1969 version you can see a piece of wood or card covering the center indicator light from the previous audience participation configuration.
Ron Hamill They were actually from the Mike Wallace pilot, where this feature started. the middle indicator was identical to the other four. They covered it when series time came round till they started it again.
just found out that #2 is/was my grandmother's uncle, Jim. wow crazy!
I like this theme more than whatever that irritation was in the beginning. The Garry Moore theme (Baa baba baa ba baa ba Baaaaa...) was the best.
One thing I liked about Goodson-Todman: they adapted their game shows to the changing times. Look at the shows that originated in the 1950's or early 1960's and see how much they changed either in their original incarnation or subsequent incarnation. Even the later episodes of the John Daly-hosted "What's My Line?" adapted to the changing times, if not in formal wear, at least in the contestants and mystery guests they had.
R.I.P. Loretta Lynn.
Thais is so greeeeeeeeeeeeeatT!!! Thanks for the post! Love you Loretty!!
Loretta. Lynn. Was. Younger. On. The to tell to truth. What. Year. Was. It. Early 70s. Pam. Johnson
yes that is Johnny Olsen as a annoucer
The background wall is similar to the one used on the original "Password" from 1963-67.
This was Bert Convy's first Game Show hosting assignment. This was under orders of James Aubrey who was on a youth kick. Robert Q. Lewis was to host that week. But Aubrey over-ruled Mark Goodson and had Convy host the week. When To Tell The Truth went off the air, it was just as well, because Aubrey was planning to replace Collyer as host with Convy had the show been extended another year.
Were they secret lovers?
They also called him Mooney, related to his running "shine".
I'm surprised that Robert Q. Lewis was not selected as the substitute for Bud Collier, given his past experience in hosting Game Shows.
Lewis subbed many times for Collyer. Some speculate CBS was on a youth movement, and forced Goodson to use Convy instead. That was why Convy replaced Tom Poston on the panel.
@@someguy23475In addition, Bud’s health was starting to deteriorate. He had some chronic heart problems, and, sadly, died only 2 years later at the relatively young age of 61.
Bert Hosted Tattletales, Super Password, Win, Lose or Draw, and 3rd Degree, as well as the 1990 Match Game Pilot.
The daytime CBS show was replaced by the expansions of the soap operas THE GUIDING LIGHT and SEARCH FOR TOMORROW from 15 to 30 minutes in September 1968.
+Terrence Pickett True to a point, "SFT" was expanded from 12:30-12:45 to 12:30-1; "GL" replaced "Art Linkletter's House Party' at 2:30. Linkletter then moved to 4 PM and "Secret Storm" moved to 3, replacing "TTTT."
Can I use that information on my resume ?
Both Silverman and his counterpart as VP of daytime programming at NBC, Lin Bolen (considered to be the model for Faye Dunaway's character in the film NETWORK) felt game shows as they were appealed to an older audience not as desired by advertisers. At least Bolen tried new hosts, new concepts and the like, instead of dumping them wholesale, as Silverman did during his stints at the three major networks.
Paul Duca meanwhile Michael Eisner, who was the daytime head of ABC had the hit game shows the dating game and the newlywed game (which were produced by Chuck Barris) and Monty Hall's Lets Make a Deal.
James T. Aubrey wasn't working for CBS in 1968, as he was relieved of his duties at the network in February 1965- it was probably daytime programmer Fred Silverman's suggestion that Bert pinch-hit for Bud that week. This edition originally aired near the end of the original daytime version [3-3:25pm(et), followed by five minutes of "THE CBS AFTERNOON NEWS WITH DOUGLAS EDWARDS"].
It's my understanding that Fred Silverman wanted Bert Convy to replace Tom Poston because he thought Convy's looks would have more appeal to women. But when he tried replacing Peggy Cass with Joanna Barnes, Mark Goodson put his foot down. Peggy and Kitty had the same sort of chemistry that Dorothy and Arlene did on "What's My Line?" and Peggy was a far better game player than Joanna.
Yet, both Bert and Joanna appeared on the daily syndicated edition of "WHAT'S MY LINE?"
RIP. ☮️💟
Not that big a surprise if you have seen him a few times on Match Game 73
I'm not sure they could come up with a worst sound for the audience vote.
I'd like to find a good recording of the '68 daytime theme and incidental music. As far as i can tell, it's not available anywhere. I've heard pieces of these music beds used on other Goodson-Todman shows. It was used occasionally on the syndicated version of "What's My Line" when Johnny Olson would give the sponsor plugs for contestant prizes.
You wouldn't happen to have the 9/6/1968 daytime finale would you? it would be really great if you did as i would love to see it again!
that is a rear episode and i like the final CBS theme of the show can it be possible to find the 3rd and final theme of this show
props to you!!!!!!
14 jesus christ, and the sad thing is in those southern states this probably still goes on, but not with celebrities I guess ughhhhh.
He was also a panelist on Match Game circa 1975.
Wrong, he started working as a panelist on Match Game when CBS was revived in 1973.
The compensation for the contestants went down. In the early 60’s it was $250 for every incorrect answer. That’s weird that it’s less money.
I don't know much about Loretta Lynn so I looked her up. Why are they calling him Moony (Moody?) when his name was Oliver Vanetta Lynn nicknamed Doolittle? I don't get it.
You don't know who Loretta Lynn is? WOOOOOW! you need to watch Coalminer's Daughter!
@@kristabrewer6736 I know who she is but I don't know much about her. And 9 years later, I still don't. I know no country artists.
I thought his name was Doolittle also
Loretta Lynn
Loretta was a regular on the Wilburn Brothers show.
Is Johnny Olson the announcer in this episode?
+Christian Inkster Yes it is :)
This installment was before Bert was host of Tattletales.
Are you sure ? He looks much older here
@@joeambrose3260 Tattletales began in 1974 (at 4 PM after Match Game '74 at 3:30 PM) replacing CBS soap opera "Secret Storm."
@@joeambrose3260 Bert Convy was born in 1933. This mean he was 35 years old when this show aired and in his early 40’s during the 70’s run on Tattletales.
Ah, yes, Fred Silverman. Let me just say he is not exactly one of my favorites, mainly because of his programming decisions involving game shows (not to mention him nearly ruining NBC in the late '70s/early '80s).
Silverman came to NBC after helping turn around CBS ( helping get rid of shows that skewed to older viewers and helped bring in shows like Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, Sonny and Cheretc), then ABC (Charlie's Angels, Love Boat, etc), but Fred quickly drew the ire of Johnny Carson (Silverman thought he was overpaid, even though Johnny brought in a large chunk of NBC's ad revenue) and Johnny played hardball to get a big deal with fewer days per week (3). Cutting the show from 90 to 60 minutes and a lot of vacation.
But Fred came up with some major clunkers (Pink Lady and Jeff, Supertrain). In a sidenote, Al Franken blew his chance to replace Lorne Michaels as executive producer of Saturday Night Live with a Weekend Update segment griping that Silverman got car service and it was the "Limo for the Lamo" plan.
Could they have chosen a more annoying noise when showing who the audience voted for.
Why did the prize money go from a high of $500/wrong answer to a low of $100 in the late 60's. Anybody know? Was the show pulling poor ratings and if so why did it continue so many yrs after?
This episode is from the daytime run which was five days a week versus the prime time version that aired once per week and had a bigger audience share and also being in prime time could afford to give away more money.
I knew it was three before it started and he wasn’t addressed much.
Would be nice to game show panelist.
11:08
NUMBER THREE IS LORETTA'S MAN
Ya ruined it for humanity
You've never seen GOOD NEIGHBOR SAM? SKI PARTY? HOW TO SUCCEED IN BUSINESS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING?
This is one of the few clips I've found on RUclips with the "new" theme song. I've only seen one TTTT episode on GSN that had this theme song. Kinda lame, IMHO.
Think if it as "transitional," between the swirling dramatic strings (say, Barney Hill, the wonderful UFO abductee of 1966), and the "mod" harmony if "You Better Learn How To Tell The Truth," 1969. I like the choice of Loretta Lynn and her husband here.
Could someone upload the Hunter S Thompson episode?
MEpianist did they do one with José Jimenez.
Years before Tatt;etales & a decade 1/2 befoe Super Passsword.