If and when I ever hire a carpenter to do work on my home I always think to myself, "Well, how is this guy on a Norm Abrams scale of 1 to 10?". Some are close, some are much lower. Norm is the gold standard.
I learned to speak English and a little about everything watching PBS (and listening to the rock station here in Houston circa 1980's) .. My brothers and I would watch The New Yankee Work Shop and This Old House on Sundays before Church .. I would tell my Dad Mr. Norm looked like him and my Dad would smile .. My Dad passed many years back .. So when I see Mr. Norm and his work ethic .. It reminds me a whole bunch of my Dad ..
Norm is a true cratsman allways doing the work I feel like he doesn't get as much appreciated these days on the show but he was there for the beginning?
What's funny is I recently watched a video of Tommy doing the same demonstration, but he did it slightly different. Some things have changed in 35 years, and some stayed the same.
When i was a kid I always watch him at new yankee workshop. norm he is the one best carpenter I’ve ever know very talented now I’ve seen him again at Ask this old house educating people this generation.
4:48 After Norm showed Bob's strawberry ass how to put the Shingles on the board, Bob comes and puts them with the Sliced side facing up.....exactly what Norm told him not to do. lol....
Growing up I was led to believe Bob was a true home improvement guru. Watching these clips now and I’m thinking Tim the tool man Taylor’s feelings towards him was justified.
My father who's been a Carpenter for 40 years always felt the same way about Bob. Myself, a Carpenter for 20, feel the same way. Norm's alright though. Bob's a phoney bologna.
@@noahgraeme Actually, prior to TOH, Bob was a general contractor, ran his own restoration company called RJ Vila Home Renovations, and won several notable awards for his restoration work. TOH approached him because of that pedigree and asked him if he'd host the show - for $200/episode in the beginning. They later increased it to $800/episode and despite the meager earnings, Bob stayed with it for 10 years as he felt it was good advertising for his main renovation business! At that mark, he began commercially endorsing Rickel Home Stores and was confronted by WGBH to quit that liason as WGBH's main underwriters were Rickel competitors Home Depot and Weyerhaeuser. Bob parted TOH ways at that point and then branched out to represent the Sears Craftsman line of tools and also began hosting his own home improvement show Bob Vila Home Again for 16 successful years on HGTV. His current net worth is an astounding 70M as opposed to Norm's 2.5M, Steve Thomas's 2M, and Tom Silva's 5M. Bob's job as TOH host was an untried formula at that point and he was literally paving the way by doing so. His job was not to swing a hammer but to ask questions, clarify, and reiterate the response so the viewer could understand from a person they could relate to! Bob had a great resonant voice and developed the formula that was then later used by Steve Thomas (who built homes with his Dad and ran a home painting company in college), and then the current stiff host Kevin O'Connor who was a banker before TOH approached him. Imho, it's O'Connor who has never fit the bill!
@@stevejensen3471 He was essentially the Poster Boy for Carpentry and repair... yet he just hired guys who knew what to do (no doubt sub-contractors). Sure, he's a great business man and knows how to make money... and perhaps is worth more money than Norm... but his knowledge and skills in the trade are laughable in comparison to Norm. I knew guys who worked with Bob... met them along the way, they'd say the same thing I'm telling you now... he's for show. Which is exactly what they hired him to be. Still, I wouldn't dare compare him to the God of carpentry that is Norm Abram.
No mention of what Tom has more recently explained a few times with the drip edge - leave half inch to three-quarter inch gap so water doesn’t run down the facia due to “surface friction”.
You do not run 3 tab shingles off of the rake. You pop 2 lines of chalk back from the rake because the rake is never as straight as the snapped chalk lines. The shingles will be crooked half way across the roof. Now dimensional shigles that is the way to go but with 3 stepping them.
Bob Vila was a good front man (also a fan of Kevin O' Connor), all business to an extent. He had a very lucrative contract with Sears for many years promoting Craftsman that likely contributed to their bankruptcy 😎
Yeah, it wasn't hard lines that killed Sears. I worked there a couple years in college around 99-2000 selling tools. The Bob Vila ads brought people in. And you had to know what he was pitching, because women would come in to buy something for their husbands not knowing what it was other than, "The thing Bob Vila had on TV the other day." No disrespect to Norm or the other guys, but Bob was perfect for the role: He understood renovation enough to ask intelligent questions the audience would want to know, but he let the "experts" be the expert and give detailed answers. Bob was the best host, period.
@@jaredadamchambers All the hosts have brought different things to the table, but as far as interviewing/questioning the different contractors and cast members, Vila is absolutely annoying sometimes. He will barely let someone complete a sentence (1:18) or make asinine criticisms like about how something is dirty (on a pathway actively being landscaped for example). His rapport with the cast members was also close to 0, you can tell Norm was fed up with him often.
Do we know the town where this project was located? I don't think it was ever stated. I liked Rob and Jennifer, the homeowners. They did a lot of work themselves.
You are suppose to nail through the sticky stuff. it is there to seal around the nail. By not nailing through it you void the warranty. Oh and the sticky stuff is called tar.
Probably not for all shingles. I just did my shed roof and the GAF architectural shingles specified to nail just below the adhesive. Images included in the instructions
@@Lando1020 I would love to see those instructions. I did roofing for years and even specialized in roofing while I was in The Navy. The entire point of nailing through the sealant is to seal the hole. If you do not seal the hole water permeates through the hole. The reason for the sealant is for this purpose not just to glue the shingle down. I am not calling you a liar I am saying I (as a roofer) wouldn't buy shingles with such horrible advice.
@@joeydehart3429 Dang it Joey! Now I'm thinking I did my little shed incorrectly! Lol. Gonna check when I get home because I think I still have the instructions.
@@joeydehart3429 Hey Joey I checked my instructions and it specifies to nail 1.5" - 3" above the edge of the starter strip. It shows image of starter but the image does not depict the adhesive. BUT I made my own starter strip as opposed to using the GAF starter strips that are sold separately. Maybe the nails would have landed on the adhesive if I used their starters? I am looking at the PDF instructions online for "Timberline" architectural shingles
WEll Bob Villa followed directions real well!!!!! NOT !!! notice he tosses the shingles onto the roof plank opposite of what Norm instructed them to do. No wonder he didn't last on the show
Actually, prior to TOH, Bob was a general contractor, ran his own restoration company called RJ Vila Home Renovations, and won several notable awards for his restoration work. TOH approached him because of that pedigree and asked him if he'd host the show - for $200/episode in the beginning. They later increased it to $800/episode and despite the meager earnings, Bob stayed with it for 10 years as he felt it was good advertising for his main renovation business! At that mark, he began commercially endorsing Rickel Home Stores and was confronted by WGBH to quit that liason as WGBH's main underwriters were Rickel competitors Home Depot and Weyerhaeuser. Bob parted TOH ways at that point and then branched out to represent the Sears Craftsman line of tools and also began hosting his own home improvement show Bob Vila Home Again for 16 successful years on HGTV. His current net worth is an astounding 70M as opposed to Norm's 2.5M, Steve Thomas's 2M, and Tom Silva's 5M.
@@stevejensen3471 OH I understand and thank you for sharing your information. I always like him on the show, and I was just being over critcal on his on camera moves. I think he accomplished a lot and gave the construction industry a good name
In about 95% of videos of his, he always talks over people or sort of treats them like second class citizens. He just straight up cut the guy off when asked about the shingles, just so he can explain it. In another episode of his show when he was touring a historic home he constantly cut off the guy giving the tour and explaining the history and architecture. He is so rude. I understand that as a show presenter you have to keep the "show going" and make sure the necessary info is said, but he just talks over the other people most of the time.
At 1:20 it was said that asphalt/fiberglass shingles are inorganic. Not accurate. Fiberglass is silica, so not organic. Asphalt is the very highest boiling fraction of crude oil, and is 100% organic. Trust me, I'm a PhD chemist
Back when they came out with fiberglass they specified though as inorganic. The old type of shingle had an asphalt mat and were called organic. Now every shingle is fiberglass so there isn't really a distinction made between inorganic and organic.
It's America, the house under the roof is made up sticks and cardboard-plaster walls. It might see 2 or maybe 3 roofs in it's lifetime before it rots away and needs to be torn down anyways. Sure a better roof would keep it safe for IDK 100 years like tile roofs do in europe, but that wouldn't create profits. Better to let Corning advertise and sell their shingles!
It depends on the area , here in central Florida we put the starter only on the bottom on the edge of the drip edge with tar under it , drip edge nailed at every 3 inches, up north they barely use tar and they run the drip all around the drip bout a 1/4 inch or some out the drip
norm i been roofing for 50 yrs. and still watched to the end ,,thanks
If and when I ever hire a carpenter to do work on my home I always think to myself, "Well, how is this guy on a Norm Abrams scale of 1 to 10?". Some are close, some are much lower. Norm is the gold standard.
I learned to speak English and a little about everything watching PBS (and listening to the rock station here in Houston circa 1980's) .. My brothers and I would watch The New Yankee Work Shop and This Old House on Sundays before Church .. I would tell my Dad Mr. Norm looked like him and my Dad would smile .. My Dad passed many years back .. So when I see Mr. Norm and his work ethic .. It reminds me a whole bunch of my Dad ..
That brings back memories! My dad and I installed some many roofs by had with hammers. Thanks for the clip.
Norm is a true cratsman allways doing the work I feel like he doesn't get as much appreciated these days on the show but he was there for the beginning?
What's funny is I recently watched a video of Tommy doing the same demonstration, but he did it slightly different. Some things have changed in 35 years, and some stayed the same.
Lol @4:48 Bob throws the shingles upside down right after Norm tells them how to put the shingles on the board
...that's "Bawb" for ya...
Let Norm answer the questions Vila
When i was a kid I always watch him at new yankee workshop. norm he is the one best carpenter I’ve ever know very talented now I’ve seen him again at Ask this old house educating people this generation.
Hell yea my Dad and I used to watch this in the 80’s
Norm Abram was a handsome young man here in this video. I always enjoy watching reruns of This Old House.
I like that they are not all tied up with safety harnesses, the good ol days!
I’ve never been a fan of bob, I remember always watching Norm growing up on TOH and New Yankee Workshop and I learned a lot.
Bob Vila is a national treasure. He’s an asset to America the likes of which we may never see again. Plus he’s hung like a horse.
@@HipsterDoofus100 bob sold out and pushed shitty Chinese made craftsman tools. Not a national treasure. Norm is a national treasure.
4:48 After Norm showed Bob's strawberry ass how to put the Shingles on the board, Bob comes and puts them with the Sliced side facing up.....exactly what Norm told him not to do.
lol....
I wasn’t ever a fan of Bob either. He may be a good carpenter but his personality was dull for being the host. Kevin O’Connor does a much better job.
Norm was always jealous of Bawb's fat cawk
Shut up Bob, we want to hear Norm.
Good Old Simple Black Shingles.
the contrast between norm and zilla always makes me laugh... norm has amazing patience
Meanwhile Vila is wondering "what's that thing Norm is hitting the nails with?'.
Growing up I was led to believe Bob was a true home improvement guru. Watching these clips now and I’m thinking Tim the tool man Taylor’s feelings towards him was justified.
My father who's been a Carpenter for 40 years always felt the same way about Bob. Myself, a Carpenter for 20, feel the same way. Norm's alright though. Bob's a phoney bologna.
@@noahgraeme Actually, prior to TOH, Bob was a general contractor, ran his own restoration company called RJ Vila Home Renovations, and won several notable awards for his restoration work. TOH approached him because of that pedigree and asked him if he'd host the show - for $200/episode in the beginning. They later increased it to $800/episode and despite the meager earnings, Bob stayed with it for 10 years as he felt it was good advertising for his main renovation business! At that mark, he began commercially endorsing Rickel Home Stores and was confronted by WGBH to quit that liason as WGBH's main underwriters were Rickel competitors Home Depot and Weyerhaeuser. Bob parted TOH ways at that point and then branched out to represent the Sears Craftsman line of tools and also began hosting his own home improvement show Bob Vila Home Again for 16 successful years on HGTV. His current net worth is an astounding 70M as opposed to Norm's 2.5M, Steve Thomas's 2M, and Tom Silva's 5M.
Bob's job as TOH host was an untried formula at that point and he was literally paving the way by doing so. His job was not to swing a hammer but to ask questions, clarify, and reiterate the response so the viewer could understand from a person they could relate to! Bob had a great resonant voice and developed the formula that was then later used by Steve Thomas (who built homes with his Dad and ran a home painting company in college), and then the current stiff host Kevin O'Connor who was a banker before TOH approached him. Imho, it's O'Connor who has never fit the bill!
@@stevejensen3471 He was essentially the Poster Boy for Carpentry and repair... yet he just hired guys who knew what to do (no doubt sub-contractors). Sure, he's a great business man and knows how to make money... and perhaps is worth more money than Norm... but his knowledge and skills in the trade are laughable in comparison to Norm. I knew guys who worked with Bob... met them along the way, they'd say the same thing I'm telling you now... he's for show. Which is exactly what they hired him to be. Still, I wouldn't dare compare him to the God of carpentry that is Norm Abram.
@@noahgraeme Norm is the GOAT for sure!
A lesson from the master
Bob vila is the greatest carpenter to ever live!
No mention of what Tom has more recently explained a few times with the drip edge - leave half inch to three-quarter inch gap so water doesn’t run down the facia due to “surface friction”.
Norm Abram, shingles super-spreader.
First roof I ever did was 3 tabs and hand nails. God, I sound like an old man...
Bawb, this first shingle is called a stawta cawse.
@@craigjensen6853 probably used his roundova bit on the routa
3:20 Looks like Bob Villa is doing his mountain goat impression. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You do not run 3 tab shingles off of the rake. You pop 2 lines of chalk back from the rake because the rake is never as straight as the snapped chalk lines. The shingles will be crooked half way across the roof. Now dimensional shigles that is the way to go but with 3 stepping them.
whoa norm not wearing a flannel
Roofers are still doing this wrong, Norm is the GOAT!
Shingles shake in fear of the guns of nahm
Bob Vila was a good front man (also a fan of Kevin O' Connor), all business to an extent. He had a very lucrative contract with Sears for many years promoting Craftsman that likely contributed to their bankruptcy 😎
Yeah, it wasn't hard lines that killed Sears. I worked there a couple years in college around 99-2000 selling tools. The Bob Vila ads brought people in. And you had to know what he was pitching, because women would come in to buy something for their husbands not knowing what it was other than, "The thing Bob Vila had on TV the other day."
No disrespect to Norm or the other guys, but Bob was perfect for the role: He understood renovation enough to ask intelligent questions the audience would want to know, but he let the "experts" be the expert and give detailed answers.
Bob was the best host, period.
@@jaredadamchambers All the hosts have brought different things to the table, but as far as interviewing/questioning the different contractors and cast members, Vila is absolutely annoying sometimes. He will barely let someone complete a sentence (1:18) or make asinine criticisms like about how something is dirty (on a pathway actively being landscaped for example). His rapport with the cast members was also close to 0, you can tell Norm was fed up with him often.
0:11 "We've just gotten started..."
What's this "We" business, Bob? Allergic to hammers, are we?
Do we know the town where this project was located? I don't think it was ever stated. I liked Rob and Jennifer, the homeowners. They did a lot of work themselves.
You are suppose to nail through the sticky stuff. it is there to seal around the nail. By not nailing through it you void the warranty. Oh and the sticky stuff is called tar.
Probably not for all shingles. I just did my shed roof and the GAF architectural shingles specified to nail just below the adhesive. Images included in the instructions
@@Lando1020 I would love to see those instructions. I did roofing for years and even specialized in roofing while I was in The Navy. The entire point of nailing through the sealant is to seal the hole. If you do not seal the hole water permeates through the hole. The reason for the sealant is for this purpose not just to glue the shingle down. I am not calling you a liar I am saying I (as a roofer) wouldn't buy shingles with such horrible advice.
@@joeydehart3429
Dang it Joey! Now I'm thinking I did my little shed incorrectly! Lol. Gonna check when I get home because I think I still have the instructions.
@@joeydehart3429 Hey Joey I checked my instructions and it specifies to nail 1.5" - 3" above the edge of the starter strip. It shows image of starter but the image does not depict the adhesive. BUT I made my own starter strip as opposed to using the GAF starter strips that are sold separately. Maybe the nails would have landed on the adhesive if I used their starters? I am looking at the PDF instructions online for "Timberline" architectural shingles
This is back when TOH actually showed you how to do things.
That roof is 36 years old now
With a 25 year lifespan back then probably has been replaced.
@@daviddesilva4971 Bob was wrong.. three tabs shingles that are dark would generally be good for 20 years..
Norm the man doesn't have on his safety glasses 😉
A little lesson :)
bob just stands on that roof at the end like a goat
Bob Vila is a national treasure. He’s an asset to America the likes of which we may never see again. Plus he’s hung like a horse.
No air guns !
WEll Bob Villa followed directions real well!!!!! NOT !!! notice he tosses the shingles onto the roof plank opposite of what Norm instructed them to do. No wonder he didn't last on the show
Actually, prior to TOH, Bob was a general contractor, ran his own restoration company called RJ Vila Home Renovations, and won several notable awards for his restoration work. TOH approached him because of that pedigree and asked him if he'd host the show - for $200/episode in the beginning. They later increased it to $800/episode and despite the meager earnings, Bob stayed with it for 10 years as he felt it was good advertising for his main renovation business! At that mark, he began commercially endorsing Rickel Home Stores and was confronted by WGBH to quit that liason as WGBH's main underwriters were Rickel competitors Home Depot and Weyerhaeuser. Bob parted TOH ways at that point and then branched out to represent the Sears Craftsman line of tools and also began hosting his own home improvement show Bob Vila Home Again for 16 successful years on HGTV. His current net worth is an astounding 70M as opposed to Norm's 2.5M, Steve Thomas's 2M, and Tom Silva's 5M.
@@stevejensen3471 OH I understand and thank you for sharing your information. I always like him on the show, and I was just being over critcal on his on camera moves. I think he accomplished a lot and gave the construction industry a good name
Nahm
Bob would like to believe he's 'running the show' ...gee I don't think so..😉
Bob Vila is such a clown. Norm is solid as ever.
Bob Vila is a national treasure. He’s an asset to America the likes of which we may never see again. Plus he’s hung like a horse.
On the job site Bob has always stuck out like a sore thumb. He looks like he stepped right out of the 1984 JC Penny's catalog.
In about 95% of videos of his, he always talks over people or sort of treats them like second class citizens. He just straight up cut the guy off when asked about the shingles, just so he can explain it. In another episode of his show when he was touring a historic home he constantly cut off the guy giving the tour and explaining the history and architecture. He is so rude. I understand that as a show presenter you have to keep the "show going" and make sure the necessary info is said, but he just talks over the other people most of the time.
😎
Ummm.. 20 years Bob
Before nail guns...
Fast forward to 2022. Norm now has shingles thanks to our forced mandates.
It seems that Bob and Norm just don't like each other.
At 1:20 it was said that asphalt/fiberglass shingles are inorganic. Not accurate. Fiberglass is silica, so not organic. Asphalt is the very highest boiling fraction of crude oil, and is 100% organic.
Trust me, I'm a PhD chemist
True, but I also don't understand why they would mention if it "is" or "isn't" organic.
Back when they came out with fiberglass they specified though as inorganic. The old type of shingle had an asphalt mat and were called organic. Now every shingle is fiberglass so there isn't really a distinction made between inorganic and organic.
Wrong
These guys will take about a week to finish a house 🤣
nail guns ruin a brand new shingle
No point in cutting off starter tabs, plus you put them flush with dripedge which is just wrong.
As a roofer, this guy is painful to watch.
So cringe
Yep every roofing company I ever worked with just ran the first course upside down
This is painful to watch
Vila was such a snot. The Cliff Claven of construction
Bob Vila is a national treasure. He's an asset to America the likes of which we may never see again. Plus he's hung like a horse.
@@HipsterDoofus100 wtf?
@@bobbymancini9069 it’s true
Lol by hand😰
Why don't you build out of something better so you don't have to work on it ever again?
It's America, the house under the roof is made up sticks and cardboard-plaster walls. It might see 2 or maybe 3 roofs in it's lifetime before it rots away and needs to be torn down anyways. Sure a better roof would keep it safe for IDK 100 years like tile roofs do in europe, but that wouldn't create profits. Better to let Corning advertise and sell their shingles!
@@CentralNintendo1 yup!
Everything revolves around profit in America.
How come norm leaves about an inch over the drip edge like that other dude on there.?
So the water doesn’t run back onto the roof. It breaks the surface tension and allows it to fall in the gutter
@@HipsterDoofus100 so why does the other guy do it on this old house.?
It depends on the area , here in central Florida we put the starter only on the bottom on the edge of the drip edge with tar under it , drip edge nailed at every 3 inches, up north they barely use tar and they run the drip all around the drip bout a 1/4 inch or some out the drip
These are fake right? Remakes?
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