Think they could have known that a 7 year old at the time would be an avid and inspired fan 32 years later? As a carpenter I am still learning from these guys
Two of the best carpenter's, Norm and Tom, their work and carpenter skills have inspired alot of folks for many years, always great to see them working together, a very good team, hope you guys are doing well and good luck with all your future projects.
I started watching TOH when I was in grade school and later in high school when my parents bought their first house we remodeled it. I helped put in the drywall and skylights, re-roofed the house, put in a 250 foot retaining wall 5 feet high and built a ceder fence on top of it. This show has a special place in my heart for they taught me so much as well as feeling comfortable with building anything I want.
Norm used quite a few Plate Joiners throughout the series from different brands, I think he liked the Lamello the most, even with the presence of Porter-Cable as a major sponsor. Kinda like how his favorite Jigsaw is made by Bosch.
Wow 1988 and boy these guys were sure younger back then! Great seeing them both in their prime back when TOH was still relatively new. I just used hydraulic cement the other day to seal up a 4-foot long basement stem wall crack after veeing it out with my rotohammer. I always think of these guys whenever I do things like that - in my flannel shirt no less - almost 34 years later! Like our current contractor, all of these men really are the salt of the Earth! Cheers Tom and Norm - you guys were and are the greatest!
I watched religiously as soon as I was old enough (born '86), and while I shifted from auto mechanic to commercial kitchen service tech, I would have to credit TOH and the New Yankee Workshop as my inspiration for the trades.
OMG...who are these two whipper snappers? I didn't know Tommy was ever that thin?!?! Seriously though....these fellas are amazing. I bet that they have forgotten more about construction than I will ever know.
Tom and Norm’s quality has gotten better since this. I don’t like the threaded rod idea or the top rail seam being in the middle of the run at all. Someone leans on that seam and it will crack
I was a huge Norm and Tommy fan as a kid when this was on, but there are certainly some issues with this install. You have to be realistic on budget as well when you criticize though as this was an big project I'm sure for the homeowner and I'm sure there were plenty of areas when they just couldn't go top shelf. Sure the PT on the stone will rot eventually, but old PT was pretty good at lasting. Its more about the staples and finish nails holding the stuff together that wouldn't probably hold up for long as PT twists like mad as it dries out. The use of the plate jointer was more of a plug for porter cable than a practical use here. Just splice the rail over the post, I'm sure the joint opened up and the Beachwood biscuits will rot/degrade outside. TV hides a lot of quality issues, in this case those biscuit slots came through the side of the material. Even Norm and Tommy make plenty of mistakes, so don't feel bad when it happens to you.
Would be interesting to know how long that railing lasted...that lumber could potentially still be rock solid right now.The old poison recipe they treated that stuff with was bullet proof compared to the material they make these days.
I agree about the old pressure treated copper arsenic I'm not sure I agree with the way it was mounted for long-term durability.. I love the post though
actually that's a framing stapler.It uses an 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 wide 15 guage staple,you will be hard-pressed to pull apart anything nailed together with them.
@@denniswholey7386 I'd think you'd probably go with floating tenons and yeah exterior wood glue. I think dowels would've actually been the better solution here
$10,000 worth of tools of course! Festool Domino the join the rails with floating tenons. Lamello Zeta to attach the rails with tenso fasteners. Festool planer and sanders for the finish. W&H moulder to make the rail.....
They have a mason now who knows how to handle hydraulic cement. On the official channel there's one video where Tom puts in a railing with it, and another where the mason puts in a railing with it, and they do it is very different ways with the mason doing it the better way.
Some of this work actually seems a little slapdash compared to the way Tom works today. Also I was wondering about using pressure-treated lumber for a railing, in those days didn't it contain arsenic? Was there no risk to using that where people would be touching it a lot?
Not only that but through time the pressure treated lumber will dry and therefore shrink so that threaded rod will become loose within the post. On note of that threaded rod, it is not galvanized or stainless so it will deteriorate through time both within the lumber as well as where it is embedded in the cement. Two legends just the same !
@@steved8563 They could have used KDX which is a kiln-dried treated wood.They also could have used a 4x4 that had already dried out,it looked pretty dry in the video.You can bet both Norm and Tom knew about the shrinkage associated with green wood and how it could affect the tightness of the rod and post.Also,how do you know the rod wasn't stainless?
By now the wood has completely rotted because there is no separation at the seam between stone and wood, and the holes aren't completely filled so they have standig water in them at all times. But hey, they made a few bucks so it's all good.
Lamello's had been around for a while but this PC unit was one of the first available in the US. It wasn't very good, the belt drive lacked power and the fence wasn't very accurate
Oooof... pneumatic finish nails and staples to hold a railing system together. I hope they were 16 ga not 18 ga lol. With contemporary PT wood they would rot out in a year or two, but even then... They were obviously not working on their own home.
Looks can be deceiving, took extra steps to secure the 4x4 posts and then used staple gun for the rest. The purpose of the railing is for saftey, thiers is for looks only.
Shouldn't that post have been elevated a bit so that wood is not in contact with the stone causing it to rot. I do love Tommy's 'Silva Brothers' truck! ruclips.net/video/CF2wLqeQNeI/видео.html
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Think they could have known that a 7 year old at the time would be an avid and inspired fan 32 years later? As a carpenter I am still learning from these guys
I always talk to myself like I’m hosting this show when I do home improvement projects.
Two of the best carpenter's, Norm and Tom, their work and carpenter skills have inspired alot of folks for many years, always great to see them working together, a very good team, hope you guys are doing well and good luck with all your future projects.
Tom from the 80’s always seems like he’s nursing a good hangover
If you had to work with Bob Vila you'd drink too...
I started watching TOH when I was in grade school and later in high school when my parents bought their first house we remodeled it. I helped put in the drywall and skylights, re-roofed the house, put in a 250 foot retaining wall 5 feet high and built a ceder fence on top of it. This show has a special place in my heart for they taught me so much as well as feeling comfortable with building anything I want.
I remember when Norm got a biscuit cutter on NYW. He used it for everything!
And that Lamello glue dispenser, I always wanted one of those!
He loved that thing!
Norm used quite a few Plate Joiners throughout the series from different brands, I think he liked the Lamello the most, even with the presence of Porter-Cable as a major sponsor. Kinda like how his favorite Jigsaw is made by Bosch.
It seemed that every carpentry technique is “that’s all to it” for Tom and Norm.
Wow 1988 and boy these guys were sure younger back then! Great seeing them both in their prime back when TOH was still relatively new. I just used hydraulic cement the other day to seal up a 4-foot long basement stem wall crack after veeing it out with my rotohammer. I always think of these guys whenever I do things like that - in my flannel shirt no less - almost 34 years later! Like our current contractor, all of these men really are the salt of the Earth! Cheers Tom and Norm - you guys were and are the greatest!
Imagine having your house built by Norm Abrams and Tom Silva??
If I ever needed to see if my square was correctly angled I could just check it on the house.
Nice house. But the sense of humor of a doorknob. Gimme a level Nwahm
@@brucewayne4585 lol. damn right.
I'd never sell it, and make sure the family never does either.
I watched religiously as soon as I was old enough (born '86), and while I shifted from auto mechanic to commercial kitchen service tech, I would have to credit TOH and the New Yankee Workshop as my inspiration for the trades.
This is a historic moment (when Norm discovered the biscuit joiner) that should be the title
and as years have passed biscuits are not as strong as first thought.
@@garyv2196 they never were considered structural but were mainly used for aligning longer panel joints.
They look so young. I used to watch TOH and NYW with my dad when I was a kid. Love that there are so many on YT now.
Tom has always been a chill dude. Love these old vids!
OMG...who are these two whipper snappers? I didn't know Tommy was ever that thin?!?! Seriously though....these fellas are amazing. I bet that they have forgotten more about construction than I will ever know.
Longtime fan of TOH. Love to see the old videos, keep them coming!
Tom’s long hair said he was a wild hippie in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Too bad, he settled down as a general contractor!
Love these classic clips. Thanks TOH.
The OG Norm Abrams! And Tom?? Best This Old House ever!!!
I have learned so much from watching these guys and this show over the years. So glad to have such highly skilled Craftsmen role models.
Imagine having Tom and Norm building something on your property, together.
Wow Tommy you can see that person we see now in ask this old house the amount of experience and the dedication and we don't even work on homework
Tom has that late 70's John Prine energy going.
I love how Tom uses a 24oz wood handle framing hammer for everything lol
I thought the same thing. That hammer!
When I watch these guys I realise just how slow I am at doing stuff.
Tom is all about efficiency and having the right tool for the job 👍
True, but also keep in mind that the magic of television can make a 2-week project seem like a simple weekend project.
And Tom has his own lingo
Your name is Graham The Builder but you use the wrong tool for the job?
Why would you use the wrong tool for the job?
@@AZ-kr6ff yawn 🥱 #blockedforbeingunfunnyandtedious
Love your shows thanks for sharing
I have never seen Norm use biscuits without glue.
Rodg - I've always used glue with them!
2 legends! Long life Norm and Tommy!
Watched a clip with Norm from 79 hard to believe it's been over 40 years.
The thumb nail reminds me of the old skit: when I nod my head, you hit it! 😄
Living legends
Great idea with the post and cement/rod. Looks like he's abusing that hammer pretty good. Looks like a brand new Vaughn framing hammer.
Only problem gonna be when those pt posts rot out - and they will - and need to be replaced!
Railing held with staples. Boy those were the days...
Tom cracks me up! He is always on the go and seems to be ahead of the conversation lol Not much has changed.
Thanks TOH, you guys just gave me an idea for a newell post, thank you.
What idea is that?
You gonna sit on it?
HAHAHAA
Newel!
@@stevejensen3471 you smart
They look so young and fresh! But when you see their hands, they’ve worked a few hours.
Like another commentator said imagine these guys building stuff on your house . There will be no complaints. Probably add to the value of your house
Tom and Norm’s quality has gotten better since this. I don’t like the threaded rod idea or the top rail seam being in the middle of the run at all. Someone leans on that seam and it will crack
I wouldn't have used a threaded rod but after watching this I bet it works great.
Good ‘ol Tom. Been sar’n away since I was a pup.
I was a huge Norm and Tommy fan as a kid when this was on, but there are certainly some issues with this install. You have to be realistic on budget as well when you criticize though as this was an big project I'm sure for the homeowner and I'm sure there were plenty of areas when they just couldn't go top shelf. Sure the PT on the stone will rot eventually, but old PT was pretty good at lasting. Its more about the staples and finish nails holding the stuff together that wouldn't probably hold up for long as PT twists like mad as it dries out. The use of the plate jointer was more of a plug for porter cable than a practical use here. Just splice the rail over the post, I'm sure the joint opened up and the Beachwood biscuits will rot/degrade outside. TV hides a lot of quality issues, in this case those biscuit slots came through the side of the material. Even Norm and Tommy make plenty of mistakes, so don't feel bad when it happens to you.
Would be interesting to know how long that railing lasted...that lumber could potentially still be rock solid right now.The old poison recipe they treated that stuff with was bullet proof compared to the material they make these days.
I agree about the old pressure treated copper arsenic I'm not sure I agree with the way it was mounted for long-term durability.. I love the post though
@@irish89055 👍🏻
It would be awesome to apprentice under these two guys!
Or you could get a real job.
@@AZ-kr6ff I went thru a 5 year electrical apprenticeship. Been in the trade for 23 years. So not sure what your comment meant, pal!
I’m sure those staples and finish nails made solid connections that will last the life of that wood- umm...no way!
actually that's a framing stapler.It uses an 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 wide 15 guage staple,you will be hard-pressed to pull apart anything nailed together with them.
@@fframer1 yeah ok .
I’d like to know how they would do this same job 30 years later
They wouldn't be using a like that....at least not without type3 titebond
@Christopher Smith Indeed. The material is the only thing worth keeping if they did this today.
@@denniswholey7386 I'd think you'd probably go with floating tenons and yeah exterior wood glue. I think dowels would've actually been the better solution here
@@verygoodboy2688 They would probably secure the posts with epoxy.
$10,000 worth of tools of course! Festool Domino the join the rails with floating tenons. Lamello Zeta to attach the rails with tenso fasteners. Festool planer and sanders for the finish. W&H moulder to make the rail.....
After the hydraulic cement sets, give each post a 1/4 to 1/2 turn clockwise to maximize stability.
They have a mason now who knows how to handle hydraulic cement. On the official channel there's one video where Tom puts in a railing with it, and another where the mason puts in a railing with it, and they do it is very different ways with the mason doing it the better way.
Wrong
I see some things missing in these old episodes………………. oh, that’s right, CAD blueprints/renderings and level laser beams.
Ah the infamous biscuits
Damn. Did not know Tom was around that long.
i enjoy seeing the older episodes where can i find some of these old episodes i search it up i get a few of the old episodes but i already seen them
ThisOldHouse.com has a membership plan called "insider" where you can stream every episode ever made.
@@TOHClips hey just saw ur comment alright ill be checking it out hopefully you upload something or post something in community tab!!
I need to find out where I can watch old episodes
Real masters here!
OH MY GOSH... Look at Tommy (he's a kid again) LOL
Some of this work actually seems a little slapdash compared to the way Tom works today. Also I was wondering about using pressure-treated lumber for a railing, in those days didn't it contain arsenic? Was there no risk to using that where people would be touching it a lot?
Not only that but through time the pressure treated lumber will dry and therefore shrink so that threaded rod will become loose within the post.
On note of that threaded rod, it is not galvanized or stainless so it will deteriorate through time both within the lumber as well as where it is embedded in the cement.
Two legends just the same !
Nothing wrong with the construction.It's a treated railing,not a piano .
@@steved8563 They could have used KDX which is a kiln-dried treated wood.They also could have used a 4x4 that had already dried out,it looked pretty dry in the video.You can bet both Norm and Tom knew about the shrinkage associated with green wood and how it could affect the tightness of the rod and post.Also,how do you know the rod wasn't stainless?
@@fframer1
Boy are you dumb.
What has probably failed first on this rail? I'd say where the posts meet the concrete.
Norm’s wearing a Casio. Anyone know what watch Tom is wearing?
What does one need to study to become what Tom is? Carpentry? Looking to change my career to what he does.
You will *never* be Tom!!
carpenty, engineering, a lot of things.
For a moment I thought Tom was gonna break out the Domino 20 years too soon.
What's a sawr?
By now the wood has completely rotted because there is no separation at the seam between stone and wood, and the holes aren't completely filled so they have standig water in them at all times. But hey, they made a few bucks so it's all good.
Wait till that standing water freezes and breaks the expensive granite.
I still always ask myself What Would Norm Do
He would go to synagogue.
😎
Good ol days when you didn't have to worry about any PPE..
That was a good year Naaahhm.
So much for temp covering the deck stone up for excess cement stains
Prehistoric 1988 power tools
Biscuit joiners were pretty new at the time, I think. Anyone know for sure?
Lamello's had been around for a while but this PC unit was one of the first available in the US. It wasn't very good, the belt drive lacked power and the fence wasn't very accurate
The concrete looked hollow.
Tom Silva: Festool to be Festool today in USA
Ha, wood on concrete outside, that's funny.
Oooof... pneumatic finish nails and staples to hold a railing system together. I hope they were 16 ga not 18 ga lol. With contemporary PT wood they would rot out in a year or two, but even then... They were obviously not working on their own home.
I still use my biscuit jointer
Why is he using his hammer sideways?
Norm looks the same.
Looks can be deceiving, took extra steps to secure the 4x4 posts and then used staple gun for the rest. The purpose of the railing is for saftey, thiers is for looks only.
Hollywood construction.
32 inches is too short for a guard rail handrail it's about right guardrail you'll flip over
36 inches high seems to be a bit on the low side.
There's only a 3 or 4 foot drop from the patio to the ground. If it were more the rail would be taller.
Seems to be more of a need to meet code, rather than hinder the view with a tall one.
"That's the code" -- Larry Haun
Under 6 foot drop can use 36" high railing. Switches to 42" over 6 feet.
These guys even lift bro
Staples.
Wood on concrete? I thought that was a no no.
It's pressure treated. It is designed for contact with the ground or concrete
Pressure treated lumber on concrete is perfectly fine
@Christopher Smith dont think that was widely used in 88'.
@Christopher Smith Wood was treated better back then,it didn't rot like it does today.That's probably why they didn't worry about it
Don’t bang your rod on the granite Tommy
Shouldn't that post have been elevated a bit so that wood is not in contact with the stone causing it to rot. I do love Tommy's 'Silva Brothers' truck!
ruclips.net/video/CF2wLqeQNeI/видео.html
Not building that in snow country.
Cheeky....
Sawer...
Both tool belts are on the wrong way. Ugh
Sawer
The dialogue reminds me of the SNL Ambiguously Gay Duo.
Sawr
Not good
Youll never get those posts out again..sucks. why not L brace it to the concrete so its at least removeable in the future?
I could get them out in 5 seconds.
Why not make sure that you are truly saved by Jesus Christ and practice this way. Remorsefully confess with your heart your sins to Jesus Christ who is God and tell Him that you right now are repenting of your sins and you want to be born again of the Spirit from above. Tell Jesus that you are remorsefully sorry for breaking His commandments and that you are begging for forgiveness from Him. Allow His blood from the cross to wash away your sins. After this is done with your heart successfully the Holy Spirit will come to live within you and He will rebuild you from the inside out.
Look for signs that you are saved. Things like spreading the good news from Jesus, getting other people saved, a craving for the word of God, reading the Bible, etc… These things are known as a calling and fruit bearing. If you're not bearing fruit then keep doing it. Sometimes it takes time to get saved. Read Matthew chapter 13 from the King James Bible. God bless!!!
I can understand your confusion, however that isn't Jesus, it's Norm Abram
Wrong religion, you're going to hell.
Woodprix has a lot of plans to choose from.
Woodprix plans are amazing!