Long range driving my Bolt EUV
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- I drove about 135 miles up to my property north of the Twin Cities in Minnesota. I checked the remaining range when I got there to see what was left. I also used super cruise and checked out how it works in heavy traffic.
Another awesome video Shad!! You really put this car into a real world perspective. Thank you!
Thanks. I just wing it and tell it like it is.
I really like your reviews of the Bolt. I am looking into getting one myself to commute 80 miles to the metro daily. Your trip up north put you just a few miles from me. Nice to see Minnesotan’s doing these videos too.
I like having automated driving as an option. Being able to let the car take over when you’re fatigued or on a LONG trip is nice, but never… NEVER would I want a car where it’s impossible/not really meant to be driven by me. (I’m 22)
Need to say this…been driving Bolts since 2018, now have a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier, like yours, but no Super Cruise. Discovered in 2018 that there are 20 battery segments (4 groups of 5) in both the range display, on the left, and the “Flow” screen in the Energy screen. This would result in the fact that each segment is 5% of battery capacity. This can be used to calculate remaining battery capacity, within 5% of total range. I have used this method since 2018, and it seems to work, accurately.
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Nice video !
I’d suggest you the following when the cold temperatures come
- always preheat your car before you leave home (remote start it 20 mins before you get in and drive it)
- use delayed charging and set it to a time that’s about 30 mins earlier than the time you leave home. This way you’ll have a warm battery when you are on the road. Remote start the car during the 30 mins left, so that you have a hot and crispy habitacle.
- do not use one pedal driving on icy roads
- always plug the car
The Bolt EV-EUV is best to charge from 10/15% to 55/60%. It takes you about 30-35 mins and you get about 100-120 miles range.
I suggest you to always reset the Average/Distance in the main screen every time you are ready to leave house, after a charging session. Your GOM will become a lot more accurate when driving the same routes in the same conditions.
Thanks for this video!
Great video again Shad. Thank you. Maybe you could do another video of this same trip when winter is here. Specifically, when there is snow on the ground haha.
I will have to see what range is like with winter tires in it to see if it's feasible. It should be, but winter tires reduce range because they are not low rolling resistant tires.
I drove my Volt up here a couple of years ago and that had low rolling resistant tires. Even though they were All-Season M+S rated tires, as are the ones on this Bolt EUV, they almost got me stuck some of the lower maintenance roads.
So I will do some mid range testing around the cities with the winter specific tires and if I feel the car can make it I will drive up here. That means I will need to clear a path to the 240v outlet which I didn't bother doing last year.
nice little city car
One thing I've noticed regarding my 2020 Bolt's heater is it puts out a lot of heat and since it's ceramic once the cabin is at temperature it uses a lot less energy to maintain that temp. The Auto setting is also good at managing temp vs efficiency in winter.
I preheat in the garage then use the seat and steering wheel heaters, my wife and I are fine most of the winter. I don't miss not having a heap pump.
Thanks for info.
Very helpful
nice video! how does the lane centering do in the bolt euv?
i just got my tesla and it does pretty well, i've heard some systems bounce you back and forth a lot. initially, i was a little iffy about tesla's autopilot, but now that i'm using it, i'm coming around.
i just wish there were more customizability on slowing down the car, it tends to slow down later and quicker than i would like during autopilot.
There are two different types of systems and my Bolt EUV has both.
There is lane keeping assist which isn't an auto driving mode of any kind. It will kick in when I am driving and I start to drive out of the lane. In the Bolt EUV it gently steers back towards the middle. If I took my hands off the wheel and let it do it's thing, it would bounce back and forth between the lanes because it only engages when the car is starting to go out of the lane. It does not try to keep the car centered in the lane. It's not intended to.
Then there is Super Cruise. Similar to the Tesla Autopilot it is fully engaged when on and keeps the car centered in the lane. It literally steers for me around curves and such. Where Super Cruise is different than Autopilot is that it won't change lanes or so anything else, it is basically adaptive cruise with steering and only works on highways GM has mapped for it.
Tip for your radio: I have an older Bolt and it will turn the radio back on every time I get in the car so I started leaving it tuned to SiriusXM ch 0. Since I don’t pay for satellite radio it stays silent and now my radio stays quiet.
Why is the climate settings at 0%? Did you not use the AC or heater on the drive? If not I wouldn’t call this a real world test drive. I use my AC everyday and the climate setting is never 0%. The range is effected a lot by the AC running.
Because the outside temperature didn't require me to use the AC. I personally think people over use AC when most of the time the temperature is just fine. The AC actually doesn't use much energy anyway so it's not going to change the range all that much. Heat, on the other hand, uses a lot more energy and affects the range quite a bit more. As we will see when temps start to drop here in Minnesota.
@@geekingoutwithshad I live in south Texas so the AC is a must around here. It might not use a lot but I’m in the negative for climate all the time.
A/C only costs about 5%. Heat gets up as high as 15%.
@@natehill8069 Is this also true if someone was running AC at 110 degrees? For me, 90s are about as extreme as temps get so not much AC is needed to keep the car comfortable.
@@geekingoutwithshad Well, Im in Ohio, I havent seen it above 100 since I got the thing. Seems like 97 was the max. Also I hate the noise of fans at full speed I just have it blowing cold on me at medium and thats enough.
Go through Roger’s and through Elk River. Much much faster.
Can I order LT EUV with adaptive cruise without supercruise and premier package?
You can, but keep in mind, being that specific about what you want is going to take a longer time to get one. The demand is pretty high right now and the cars are hard to get, so I suggest taking what you can get if you don't want to wait many months to get one.
MyBad. I didn't realize that the Bolt had a range of 300 miles. That's neat.
In city driving during ideal temperatures it can easily do over 300 miles with regen (one pedal driving) on.
Steady speeds on the highway it gets about 220 miles during ideal temps. Cold weather will easily bring these ranges down.
Just a correction for you - the DCFC charge curve on the Bolt is pretty terrible. If Chevy had programmed the curve to allow for the 50kW rate, it would be a much better road trip car. From 0% until about 60%, you'll get a charge rate of approx 40kW, which is acceptable. From 60%-80% it drops pretty linearly from 40kW down to about 20kW: 60%-80% takes about 30 minutes (I know as I just did this last week in perfect weather in my 2017 Bolt EV). Past 80%, you might as well unplug, as the rate drops through the floor. As another data point, it took approx 1hr to charge from 19%-80% in perfect weather (same trip). Just an FYI in case you've not done this. I home charge primarily, and have a gas vehicle (Passat TDi) if I really need to travel far with my family, but a Bolt will comfortably do 200-250 mile trips easily, and it is way cheaper. Just avoid the big hills, travelling up into the Sierras from the California coast sucked down the kWh. Cheers.
It took my car 45 mins to get from 50% battery to full on a DC Fast Charger. I haven't done a full Fast Charge from a low charge, but I heard it takes about 1.5 hours. So yeah, not fast. But I always bring up the cost of the car and how good it is for what you pay for it.
I am not sure what has changed, aside from a slightly bigger battery, between the 2017 and 2022 models. But I would be surprised if nothing has improved charging wise.
@@geekingoutwithshad Everyone is getting the new battery with the recall - I've had mine replaced already. News Coulomb reported a decrease in charging performance when he tested the new model vs the old model. It seems Chevy restricted the charge profile even more with the latest packs in an effort to curb potential issues. I'm only one data point, but you and I probably agree that the charging performance could be better, even with the existing hardware if Chevy wanted to update the software. Unlikely though.
Yeah, I knew the charging was slow when I got the car. I don't know what charging is like with the ID.4 though and I still have my 2020 Tacoma for longer trips if ever needed.
To road trip a Bolt optimally on DCFC chargers, you never want to charge to 100%. Instead, you want to aim to cycle the battery between 10% and 55% so you get a consistent charging speed of about 52 kW the whole time. This translates into alternating patterns of 90 minute driving sessions (about 100 miles), punctuated by 25-30 minute charging sessions.
Occasionally, doing a deep charge on a Bolt to 80% or even 100% is necessary, due to chargers being spread further apart than one would like. But, when it is necessary, it's usually needed on a one-off basis, not over and over again at every charging stop. When this happens, the key to having a good experience is to plan ahead and look for things to do, and be willing to leave the area where the charger is using some non-driving means of transportation such as walking, Uber, or public transit. The people who have frustrating experiences tend to be the people who don't plan properly and end up just sitting around next to the car for 90 minutes waiting for it to hit 100%. But, with good planning, you don't need to travel like that.
Thanks for your videos! Supercruise seeems pretty cool, hmm.
nice to see minnesota roads
grew up in Minneapolis but not living League city tx
Just came across your review looks a great car to me shame we can’t get that here in the uk 👍
Maybe someday. They can't even produce them fast enough to keep up with the market here in the United States. In fact, any EV or Hybrid is extremely hard to get right now.
Hi Shad, thanks for the great video.
How’s ride quality in general and versus ID.4?
The ride quality it the Bolt EUV is really good. Very similar between the two, but the VW handles a bit tighter and more sporty while somehow still having good ride quality. Kind of the trait of most German cars. That doesn't mean the Bolt is terrible by any means, it's also quite impressive especially when you consider it's price vs the ID.4.
Fantastic review
When it gets excellent auto drive it’ll help seniors who can no longer see and have lost a lot of their ability to act fast way to the doctor in the grocery store so wonderful system
I think there will be fully autonomous mobility vehicles soon. Those will work excellently for the elderly and make it so they don't even need a car in the first place.
Great video. What are the flashing lights on the steering wheel? Are they bothersome during night driving?
They only show up in the video. They are not visible to the human eye. I should have put some text stating that.
i believe those lights are for the sensors to make sure you're paying attention when using supercruise. not sure if those are actual lights, like infrared or something, or cameras
Ionic 5 is 10 to 80 in 18 minutes on electricity America in summer
Better looking and roomier too. Also available with AWD (dual motor). But, Its also about 75% more cost, and 6 months to order one right now. So youre comparing a Ford to a Cadillac. Try it against the Kona EV, thats only a little more expensive.
Inionq5 is alot more money
Does the Bolt have a pet mode while you are in the store?
No. I believe that's only a Tesla thing.
The Bolt doesnt have Sentry mode either, despite the fact the deluxe versions have 4-side cameras and its only a software function from that point.
Only a software function? I am a software engineer. I can tell you it's not that simple and costs a lot of money. It's a $37K car vs a $65K Tesla. Writing Sentry Mode software is quite the undertaking and all of the hardware components need to have the proper APIs and protocol for something like that. Then you need the ability to send that info to a phone or other device through a network that is always on. It is extremely complex and would be expensive to implement.
Great. That's equivalent to climbing Mt. Everest on your knees.
Was this a custom order?
No, it was what was available at the time. I didn't plan to get a Premier Launch Edition. I would have normally gotten an LT with a winter package or something similar because I honestly don't care for all the fancy features. But due to supply chain issues and extremely limited availability added with the $6,300 discount GM offered on these cars, I got this one which was all that was available. It's actually not a bad deal for the lowered $37k price I paid. I don't keep cars past their warranty so if stuff goes wrong with all these crazy techy items the dealer will fix them.
@@geekingoutwithshad did you consider the regular EV as well?
I had a 2020 Bolt EV. I wanted the slightly bigger model so my bikes would fit in the back easier.
Thanks Shad, interesting video.
Here's how it works, regen does not increase your range. In order for that to happen you would be creating more energy than you're using which is not possible. Stop and go does affect range on EV's, not the same way as gas cars though. Once you stop it takes energy to get back up to speed (Newton's first law, a body at rest tends to stay at rest, a body in motion tends to stay in motion).
One pedal driving is convenient but, after testing I think you get better highway mileage with it off - try it and see if I'm right. I use my Bolt with it off and GM's great paddle to slow down and stop.
I do use "L" when going down steep hills and in town though.
The reason you see your range go up is because the system computer is recalculating your range to the slower speed.
Incorrect. Being in stop and go traffic does increase range when compared to going a steady speed. Unlike a gas powered car, as you slow down power gets added back into the battery essentially giving you free energy.
It's not just about the display. I get over 300 miles of range driving around in stop and go traffic in the city vs about 220 going at a steady freeway speed. Regen absolutely does increase range.
Compared to gas cars, every time they have to stop they become less efficient. Gas doesn't get put back into the tank when they slow down. Instead, the engine keeps running and keeps using gas even when the car isn't being propelled forward.
@@geekingoutwithshad Try this: Drive your car for two miles at a steady state of 20 mph, then drive your car for two miles using regen but stop every 1/4 mile and then go back up to 20 mph. Tell me what your battery usage is. The energy expended to bring a vehicle up to speed can never be fully recovered, there are efficiency losses. If you could gain all the energy back you would have 100% efficiency which is not possible, you would essentially have unity, again, which is not possible. Basic physics.
The reason you get more range going slower is because of the coefficient of drag of your car. At freeway speeds air friction is reducing your efficiency, that's why when you drive into a headwind your range drops.
Regen increases range over no regeneration, yes, but regen can not give you more energy than what you initially have in the battery. If you take a trip in your car with regen does the car battery run down? Of course, that's because regen can't make energy, it can only replace a portion of the lost energy, never 100%.
Yes, of course, gas cars don't have regen, there's no way to put a portion of gas back in the car, that's not the issue here. You do gain some of the lost energy with regen but not all of it.
@@mosfet500 The energy doesn't have to be fully recovered. If any of the energy is recovered it's going to extend your range.
@@geekingoutwithshad Right, regen will extend your range over no regen as you will recover some of the lost energy.
Stop and go (with regen) also increases your range because your average speed is lower and therefore you are fighting less wind. Overcoming wind resistance is the bulk of energy consumed with either gas or electric cars. Gas cars have notches of improved economy as they step up thru gears. Electrics which as a rule have only 1 gear, pretty much lose range with any increase in speed. If you could drive long distance at 5mph you could probably get 600 miles on a charge. The economy drives of the 60s (Shell with Platformate, anyone?) where gas cars got 80 mpg, the cars ran on salt flats at like 12 mph in 3rd gear and never stopped.
do you really only drive at or just under the posted speed limits? If so, I don't think that's a "real world" test.
No, I usually drive over. When it's 65 I will do 69 or 70 because I know once I go over that I start to lose MPG or kWh much quicker.
In my Tacoma I will get 22 plus MPG if I am at 69. But if I am at 74 I get 20 MPG. 2 MPG is a lot of loss.
I also have a long range test where I did mostly 74 (I try to stay under 10 MPH over) with the climate on that I haven't uploaded yet.
yup they have no range
Actually, it has a lot of range. I can cover quite a bit of ground with my car. Sure, it may not be ideal for a long distance cross country road trip, but aside from that it can go where I need it to go
That is the biggest misunderstanding about EVs. The average distance people drive is much lower than one might think. It's only those few long road trips that most people don't do or rarely do that make a difference.
Once charging networks and speeds improve, and they are improving quickly, road tripping with an EV will be a breeze!
I'm just glad your ok after driving that death trap that far. It looks like your garage is separated from your house....thats good but I still wouldn't dare to charge it in there. GM is using LG Chem batteries in those cars 80 % of all electric car fires are cars using LG Chem batteries. If your going EV stay away from LG who wants a car that GM themselves say not to leave it unattended while charging for risk of fire. I wish you good luck and safe journeys. If you want to insure both of those than consider trading that under performing car for a Tesla! Have a great night
Yet another misinformed individual out there.
Out of all the 140,000 Bolts that were made before the recall, 19 of them had fire issues. I would hardly call that a death trap considering internal combustion engine cars have had and still have much higher fire risks than the Bolt.
The car I have was manufactured after the recall and this doesn't have the rare chance of having a defective battery.
As for a Tesla vs the Bolt. You are comparing a $37k car to a $60k car so of course a Tesla is going to out perform the Bolt EUV. I actually had a Tesla Model Y on order. Once all was said and done for a Dual Motor version it was actually $67k and Tesla kept pushing the date back months for delivery. So I decided to get the Bolt when GM dropped the price $6,300. For the price of this car, it's an excellent EV and the best value out there right now.
@@geekingoutwithshad You can't argue with these folks, don't bother wasting your time.
Very true. There are people whose sole purpose is to be negative and go on the Internet and spread their misinformed ideas around. Pretty sad life if you ask me.
Gas cars on average have about 60x (adjusted for quantities) as many fires as battery cars. AND a gas car fire happens much quicker so you have less chance to escape; battery cars are usually unoccupied when they catch fire. But hey, its a free(ish) country, pick your own risks.