There will be an update to this video coming in August or September (2024). I have tons of new pricing information and my experiences with several charger brands.
I watched this solely to see the process of driving to a fast charging station and start the machines.. I plan to rent one for a road trip soon to save on gas and wear/tear on my personal car, but I never used an EV so the charging aspect makes me nervous since I never tried before. So watching this felt like having a nice Uncle showing me the ropes on how to use an EV. Thanks Jim.
Jim: "Kindness and pay it forward" Thank you so much for including this message! I also really appreciate your video to help make the dynamics of home vs. trip EV charging understood. Thank you!
Gas (AZ) = $4/gal, 35 mpg (hwy) in a Chev Sonic (comperable to bolt) = $0.11 per mi ($4/35mi) VS $33 to fill 65kW battery to go 250 mi ($33/250) = $0.13 per mi. DCFC costs more than gas. In California, it is marginally cheaper. Charge at home at night though it is more like $0.12 per kWh, and 1kWh is about 4 mi in the Bolt, so $0.03 per mi CHEAP!
Hi. Electric cost of operating an EV falls into several area. Let point out a couple. First the vehicle’s engineered efficiency related to design and drivetrain. The Ford Mach E and the Lighting EV truck are not as efficient as Tesla, Kia/Hyundai and other EVs. Typically Ford products average 2.0 to 2.5 miles per kilowatt. Each 100 miles requires 50 or so kWh. My 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 RWD averages 4.0 city to 3.8 highway. For each 100 miles my EV uses half of a Ford, 25 kWh. Next is cost per kWh. In DCFC units it seems average cost are now $0.50 some higher, some lower. For a Ford EV owner, 50 kWh X .50 =$25.00 For me $12.50. A gas car getting 30 mpg would need 3 gallons plus a bit more for 100 miles. 3X $3.50=$11.50 or so. Drive a more efficient gas car like a Camry hybrid at 50 mpg, 2 gallons for 100 miles. Hope this clarifies the expense of charging an EV vs gas cars.
...Super Off Peak rates here in my area are between midnight and 6AM...for $8.80, I could charge from 0-100 percent. Four nights per week, I spend about $3.75 on electricity charges...about a gallon of gas! The rest of the time, I seek out "free" chargers to top off the charge.
Great video keep them coming. In Florida we also have chargers from FPL Evolution and Duke Energy. FPL are less expensive to use then either EA and EVgo. Between 30 cents to 31 cents per kWh.
Or free. There is a free Duke Energy charger about 12 miles from my house. It’s out of the way…but I use it occasionally. There’s a good chance they are going to convert it to pay very soon, though.
Thanks for the history lesson and the nice comparison of home charging vs. real world DCFC. Fortunately we don't need to use DCFCs too often, like almost never (if we did frequent road trips, that wouldn't be the case). Here in the hydroelectic-powered Pacific Northwest our electricity is relatively cheap (currently $0.0739/kWh 24/7, before fees and taxes). Here at home we have rooftop solar so our effective rate (after fees and taxes) is around $0.053/kWh (12-month average). The life-of-the-car efficiency for our 2022 Bolt is about 4 miles/kWh (on a good day we can get 5 to 6). Our ICE vehicle (2018 Subaru Outback) gets about 23 mpg in the city (around 30 mpg highway). Here gas is still about $4.50/gal. Doing the math, the $/mile for the Bolt (4.0 miles/kWh) is $0.0135/mile and the $/mile for the Outback (23 mpg) is $0.196/mile. The ICE is >14x more expensive (!) to drive ("fuel" cost alone), not even considering higher maintenance costs for the ICE vehicle. Using your ~$0.40/kWh for the DCFC, for us charging at home is about 7.5x cheaper. But even DCFC at this price is about 2x cheaper than the cost for driving our Outback. Curiously, there's a ChargePoint station (affiliated with a Shell gas station) about 3 miles from our home that offers free DCFC. Go figure. (But we don't use it... would be nice to find those when road tripping!)
I'm a native of the PNW and it's probably the absolute best case scenario location for EV efficiency on a pure dollar basis. Electricity from hydro is cheap and fuel is expensive. Plus it doesn't get too terribly cold, at least on the wet side of the Cascades, helping EV efficiency. My hometown in the Willamette Valley is in the same USDA plant hardiness zone as we have here in Central Texas. The difference being here that we run the AC 5-6 months a year.
My electric rates are some of the highest in the country...especially when you add the TAXES to the "per kWH" rates they try to make you believe is the true cost. There is only ONE DCFC station within 25 miles of my house that is free and, based on the part of town it is in, I can understand why it is free because I will not go there. For me, charging at home is 3.5-4.0 times cheaper than DCFC. Gas here is about $3.50 per gallon, so 100 miles on a car that gets 30 mpg is 3.33 gallons and that would be $11.65. My EUV cost for 100 miles (3.6 miles/kWh or about 27 kW at $0.45 per kWh) is about $12.50 at an EVgo station and a bit less at an EA station. The BEST savings I get are when I charge at home. This is why I only use DCFC for road trips and emergency fill-ups when I am low and need to get somewhere in a hurry or I forget to plug in the night before (which happens occasionally). ;)
@@jimsEVadventures Interesting comparison. Thanks for the info. Yes, our PUD adds in a Daily System Charge ($0.63/day) and local sales tax (8.7%) so the $0.0739/kWh is a bit misleading. My $0.053/kWh net cost (12-month average) does include all these extra costs but also factors in the benefit (free kWh) from our rooftop solar panels. Fortunately our PUD has not yet imposed time-of-day rate changes.
My city has some city-owned DCFC's that are ~20 cents per Kwh. Quite reasonable, in fact its cheaper than some utility customers might pay. There are also some free DCFC's provided by the state along the highway.
Another informative video. In the My Chevy car Play app on my car screen I set the “my work” location to a far away destination we go to frequently. This gives me an ongoing energy estimate to that location in a flash while I’m driving. Also I noticed today my “energy tracking” button started working. It has not worked since I bought the car last month! It kept giving me a “read only” error. Not sure how it got fixed but I’m glad it did.
Good idea on the "my work" location. I just wish I could set "my work" on the Chevy App. No matter what I do, it is blank. But that is as much Apple and their play space as it is Chevy. Weird about the energy tracking button. Also - look into recurrentauto.com. It is a great way to keep an eye on the battery performance in your car.
@@jimsEVadventures cool! I’ll do that. Thanks. Setting the work location has to be done on the my Chevy app right on your phone. You go into the map section and click the 3 dots at the top right TWO times in a row. Then it should show “set work location and set home location. You do this when it’s not connected to your vehicle then when you connect next time it will show on your vehicle screen when using Apple car play. I assume android would be similar.
A suburb near me has some free ChargePoint DC chargers. I just bought a used 2020 Bolt last week so I've only charged there once. I'll still probably keep my home 110 volt charger plugged in most evenings, but if I need to add more range I'll take advantage of those chargers. I chatted with somebody using the other charger and was told they're quite busy in the mornings lunch time and evenings. That makes sense, so when I use them I'll go at other times.
I'm in San Jose, CA and paying PG&E $.51/$.48 per kWh for delivery @ peak/off-peak, then have to pay San Jose Energy ~ $.14 per kWh for generation on top of delivery charges. Crazy expensive.....DCFC is cheaper than charging at home.
Plugging in will become a thing of the past as the technology for charging while you drive or park becomes available. They are building wireless charging into one of the roads here locally. Here is a nice link to that article...www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2023/12/21/in-road-charging-come-to-central-florida-expressway-electric-vehicle-state-road-516 And Tesla will put it in their cars soon. Here is that article: electrek.co/2023/12/18/tesla-confirms-wireless-inductive-electric-car-home-charger/
I have a great Chargepoint charger that is 0.7 miles from my apartment i use for overnight charging my Bolt. I drive any where from 150 to 200 miles per day for my job and average between $2.50-$3.50 per day. I just take advantage of the walk/jog back and forth morning/evening as my daily excersise. I'll never use those superchargers again unless it's an emergency or long road trip
I have a solar array at my house so home charging would be quite reasonable I imagine and if I need to buy some power out electric rate here in rural NW Wisconsin costs a modest $0.125 per KWh and just $13 a month to be hooked up to the utility.
@@jimsEVadventures No not here, the power rate is a flat rate unless you get on a off peak service with the utility but then your day rate is really high and the service fee goes up from $13 to $20 in exchange for your night rate being at a low rate and I don’t think it would be worth it for myself.
So I have a question for you. First some backround. I'm interested in the EV model for a local transportation so not one of "those guys". The question is what are the local/state/fed governments going to do with the lost gas pump tax? A EV car is doing the same wear and tear as a ICE car on the roads. In the perfect world that tax is used on road repairs. I live in Illinois so probably not a perfect world LOL.
The money the “lose” is more made up for on the money from the DCFC stations. I’ll find that amont and do a complete side by side comparison for you. Also…don’t be fooled…if you thing the gas taxes are going directly back to the transportation infrastructure, then you’d be very surprised. Finally, each State is responsible for all secondary and tertiary roads. The feds ONLY pay for interstate projects. The ad veloram taxes on cars on each county and State pays for everything else in your State. And those taxes are significantly higher on EVs.
Also…an interesting set of bills is making their way through many state legislatures. In FL, they are imposing a yearly $200 increased registration fee on EVs to make up for lost gas tax revenue. When money exchanges hands, the government always has its hand out. If it does not exchange hands, they’ll always find a way to pick your pocket. It’s a part of life.
Cost per mile (at 70 mph) when charging at home is $0.0376 per mile based on the following equation. 100 miles uses 27.77 kWh Super Off Peak Electrical Rate: $0.1354 per kWh (including taxes) Total Cost for 27.22 kWh: $3.76 Cost per mile (divide by 100): $3.76 / 100 = $0.0376 per mile. True cost per mile will be based on two things: 1) How fast you drive. 2) The electrical rates used to charge the vehicle. Hope that helps.
You are so right. I can get 240 miles down the road on $9 worth of electricity. At 30mpg, that would cost a gasoline car $29. Savings indeed. And even on the basic electrical fuel mix of 0.857 lb/kWh (see EIA.gov), that is 55 lbs if CO2. For 8 gallons of gasoline it is 160 pounds (climatekids.nasa.gov/review/carbon/gasoline.html). That’s a huge difference. My next video will cover this in more detail. Should be dropping by 9PM tonight.
People have to learn the math for calculating their cost per mile for their gas cars and do the same make for cost per mile for the EV. If you have to rely on DCFC then the cost isn't really any savings if you have an efficient ICE or Hybrid, or PHEV. People need to understand you leave home with a full tank daily if you charge at home so you don't need to charge when out. Add solar at home and lock in your price paid to protect yourself from the rapid inflation and you should be able to keep your energy costs well under the average. Something needs to be done about these HIGH rates on public chargers. Our utilities should be deploying these chargers and passing along a much better price per KWH.
Part of those higher rates on chargers is the fed making up for lost gasoline taxes. The government is going to stand there with their hands out every single time a dollar changes hands. Two guarantees in life…death and taxes. 😳
"If you have to rely on DCFC then the cost isn't really any savings if you have an efficient ICE or Hybrid, or PHEV. " 1. This is not true. 2. About 80% of EV charging happens at home which is much cheaper. There is no such thing as an efficient ICE or Hybrid. The internal combustion engine has always been very inefficient losing about 80% of its energy through heat. The total cost of ICE vehicles must include the cost to human health from toxic air pollution and climate change impacts, and oil spills. The cost of ICE is far greater.
@@JakeRichardsong The math is pretty simple. Cost per mile. I suggest you do that math compare the cost of public charging networks per mile to gasoline and figure out where the break even point is. If you have a car that get 40mpg, 50mpg or more you will find current public charging costs in many areas are in fact as high or even higher than those more efficient vehicles. It won't take but a few minutes to figure out this is the truth on cost per mile basis for the energy consumed. I am talking cost per mile for fuel used, NOT vehicle maint, or any of those other routines or intangibles. Direct fuel consumption figures per mile are what I was referring to. If a person is willing to do their own maintenance for all that routine stuff the cost for that ICE isn't nearly what is promoted. Time for a level set on the facts vs the promotion. If you charge at home the cost for "fuel" is dramatically less and that is where people should be charging. Again I stated IF you are forced to use DCFC and not access at home charging the cost benefits start to vanish. That does NOT mean owning an EV isn't a good idea for other reasons. It just means people need to be very clear what they are talking about and not so quick to promote all those big savings. Charging network costs are in fact RISING quickly. EA's latest announcement to align with the high costs that Tesla charges is just one such example.
Agreed...Tesla charging is faster and easier. This is why almost ALL of the major manufacturers have adopted the NACS system and why those of us stuck with the CCS1 chargers will soon own adapters allowing us to use the Tesla network. It is also why these same manufacturers have united to create a new North American network of chargers that will surpass the numbers Tesla has installed...and the good thing? These new chargers will all have the NACS dispensers! Open to ALL EVs. Would you agree that is also a good thing?
@@jimsEVadventures Agreed but I don’t think they will catch Tesla… there to far ahead… they have been sitting back on their laurels doing nothing while Tesla blows them away…
they will have to find a way to tax the people who charge at home and a special tax on license renewal is the only way, when you fast charge the company who owns the fast charger will have to add a special tax to your charging bill to send the government just like the gas company are doing now.
Not sure how it can be cheaper to charge when the Tesla has a larger battery? Yes…Tesla charges faster on DCFC systems, but 95% of my charging is overnight at home, so no worries. And, I’ll have access to the Tesla network early next year. Most importantly, I saved WAY more than $25,000 that it would have cost to get a comparably equipped Tesla. 🥱😳
I filled my Lincoln Corsair with gas in less that 5 minutes and that gave me a little over 400 miles range. And I was probably 25-30 miles down the road while this guy was still trying to charge his battery and only getting 160 or so miles of range? And they are spending massive amounts of tax payer money to incentivize this? The technology is just not there yet for any massive adoption of electric vehicles. It will take a few more years.
This year, 11 out of every 100 new cars sold will be electric. Gasoline (which is inherently more expensive and polluting over time) are more expensive over time. Only 5 percent of cars travel over 200 miles on any given day of the week and even fewer more than that. So…that argument is not valid for more than 95 percent of the driving that most people do regularly and should not be the only reason to put off adopting an EV. Electrics are on par in terms of initial cost, less expensive to operate daily, 10 fold easier to maintain, and will outlast an ICE vehicle by many years. I’ll concede ICE is faster to fuel! But that’s only part of the car ownership experience wouldn’t you say?
You mean decades. Even with Tesla's supercharger network, it's still not "matchable" with gas. The only way EV makes sense, is if the price is reasonable and you live in suburbia with a driveway as you won't DCFC very often. I have an EUV and I charge at home on days I work. When I'm home, I charge for free at a Walmart 5 mins away. Otherwise EVs don't make financial sense at all.
" And I was probably 25-30 miles down the road while this guy was still trying to charge his battery..." and spewing toxic air pollution the whole time. Just awful. Also, the oil and gas companies have been receiving federal subsidies for decades and still are.
Guess you never saw all the hazardous waste that lithium mining produces? I am all for reducing the carbon footprint but you hit on the problem. It is all political.@@JakeRichardsong
@@dannywalker1635 Petroleum extraction and processing is far, far more damaging. There's no comparison. Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez and on and on. Air pollution from internal combustion engines causes many human diseases and millions of premature human deaths globally per year. Dieselgate, etc. Internal combustion engines are also woefully inefficient losing about 80% of their energy through radiating heat. A very inefficient and outdated technology. We all need to adapt and change for our health and the planet.
The government is involved in everything that moves in the road…including gas, diesel, PHEV, hybrids and EVs. So I guess we can count you out on all vehicles?
People do sit there for half an hour. An hour. Even longer sometime. You’d be surprised at the patience and courtesy of MOST (not all) in the EV community. Bolt EV/EUV and Nissan Leaf and some of early Hyundai Kona owners especially. But I understand your statement. Everybody wants a fine charcoal cooked steak cooked at microwave speeds.
Rather put solar arrays and wind turbines on the car so people can drive by instead if letting it sit there and charging your bucks, but rather let you save your bucks longterm, + independent energyify your home + drones to order in store or online delivery if lines too long akak drone mobile kiosks when necessary in line + catalysts to upcoming atomformer tech
A wind generator on a car, huh…. I don’t see that happening anytime soon but some cars have solar roofs and one guy in the southwest left his car out in the sun for two days straight and just got a 14% battery charge with the roof alone so it will help some but you won’t pass by all the chargers on a trip.
@@hermancm unless you test it & "ducts in a car to compress & flow the wind enegy to push mor eenegy into the car & efetcive in windy ststionary or driving by, by the widn forces on the car itself + combo battery,solar,hydrogen,etc
electric cars are full of supprizes first you will realize that in winter they lose 30% OF THEIR CHARGE; then your insurance rates will double; next: if you charge at home for now their is no special road taxe on the electricity. but its coming; RT now the fast charging grid is not strong enough so be prepared to wait on the idiot who owns an EV that does not fast charge (3 hours). and of course you were attracted by the 10,000 dollar incentive then you were told that the tax is calculated from the full price of the vehicle which just cancelled your incentive because in canada the tax is 15.4% so your vehicle will take minimum 10 years to recuperate the difference from an ICE vehicle. and if you run out of juice ,they have not yet invented an electric gas can so you can get a little bit of electricity to get you to a charger. GOOD LUCK we still have a way to go. RT now i drive a plug in hybrid which is the best solution untill cars go minimum of 400 milles on a charge thats the magic number. When i remain in town and charge at home I can go one month without any gas. when i run out of electricity the gas comes on , when i go downhill i can brake charge the car and when i go uphill I can use the charge button which engages the gas engine and it charges the battery. Its very ingenious. Still waiting for the 400 miles battery and around 50,000 dollar car which is probably at minimum 3 more years. But i must say a PHEV is rt now the way to go for those charging at home and dont go often on long trips.
No…they don’t lose 30 percent of their range. No, insurance rates don’t double. My rates are 20 percent cheaper on a 2023 Bolt EUV than they are on a 2016 Accord. Charging while going downhill is standard on any EV. Hybrids are 131 times more likely to spontaneously burst into flames. And you have double the maintenance requirements-gas engine and electric power train. You can drive a Bolt off the lot anywhere for under $30K and that’s BEFORE any incentives. I don’t know where you got your information about EVs, but you’re wrong on all points. PHEVs aren’t the answer until batteries reach 400 miles. That’s you opinion…and you know what they say about those. Thanks for trying…
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There will be an update to this video coming in August or September (2024). I have tons of new pricing information and my experiences with several charger brands.
I watched this solely to see the process of driving to a fast charging station and start the machines.. I plan to rent one for a road trip soon to save on gas and wear/tear on my personal car, but I never used an EV so the charging aspect makes me nervous since I never tried before. So watching this felt like having a nice Uncle showing me the ropes on how to use an EV. Thanks Jim.
Jim: "Kindness and pay it forward"
Thank you so much for including this message!
I also really appreciate your video to help make the dynamics of home vs. trip EV charging understood.
Thank you!
You are so welcome!
Energy costs are ridiculously cheap in the US.
Not really, but I am glad you think so! :)
You said fast charging was almost as expensive as gas but you could have shown us with actual data. Good work overall.
Gas (AZ) = $4/gal, 35 mpg (hwy) in a Chev Sonic (comperable to bolt) = $0.11 per mi ($4/35mi) VS $33 to fill 65kW battery to go 250 mi ($33/250) = $0.13 per mi. DCFC costs more than gas. In California, it is marginally cheaper. Charge at home at night though it is more like $0.12 per kWh, and 1kWh is about 4 mi in the Bolt, so $0.03 per mi CHEAP!
Hi. Electric cost of operating an EV falls into several area. Let point out a couple. First the vehicle’s engineered efficiency related to design and drivetrain. The Ford Mach E and the Lighting EV truck are not as efficient as Tesla, Kia/Hyundai and other EVs. Typically Ford products average 2.0 to 2.5 miles per kilowatt. Each 100 miles requires 50 or so kWh. My 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 RWD averages 4.0 city to 3.8 highway. For each 100 miles my EV uses half of a Ford, 25 kWh. Next is cost per kWh. In DCFC units it seems average cost are now $0.50 some higher, some lower. For a Ford EV owner, 50 kWh X .50 =$25.00 For me $12.50. A gas car getting 30 mpg would need 3 gallons plus a bit more for 100 miles. 3X $3.50=$11.50 or so. Drive a more efficient gas car like a Camry hybrid at 50 mpg, 2 gallons for 100 miles. Hope this clarifies the expense of charging an EV vs gas cars.
I have a coworker who has a bolt euv. I asked him if he has ever used a fast charger. He has not, he charges at home.
90 percent of my charging is at home. I fast charge only when I’m on a trip >200 miles from home.
*6:00** I do enjoy watching EV users charge their cars at night. Warms the cockles of my heart.*
...Super Off Peak rates here in my area are between midnight and 6AM...for $8.80, I could charge from 0-100 percent. Four nights per week, I spend about $3.75 on electricity charges...about a gallon of gas! The rest of the time, I seek out "free" chargers to top off the charge.
Great video keep them coming. In Florida we also have chargers from FPL Evolution and Duke Energy. FPL are less expensive to use then either EA and EVgo. Between 30 cents to 31 cents per kWh.
Or free. There is a free Duke Energy charger about 12 miles from my house. It’s out of the way…but I use it occasionally. There’s a good chance they are going to convert it to pay very soon, though.
Thanks for the history lesson and the nice comparison of home charging vs. real world DCFC.
Fortunately we don't need to use DCFCs too often, like almost never (if we did frequent road trips, that wouldn't be the case).
Here in the hydroelectic-powered Pacific Northwest our electricity is relatively cheap (currently $0.0739/kWh 24/7, before fees and taxes). Here at home we have rooftop solar so our effective rate (after fees and taxes) is around $0.053/kWh (12-month average). The life-of-the-car efficiency for our 2022 Bolt is about 4 miles/kWh (on a good day we can get 5 to 6). Our ICE vehicle (2018 Subaru Outback) gets about 23 mpg in the city (around 30 mpg highway). Here gas is still about $4.50/gal. Doing the math, the $/mile for the Bolt (4.0 miles/kWh) is $0.0135/mile and the $/mile for the Outback (23 mpg) is $0.196/mile. The ICE is >14x more expensive (!) to drive ("fuel" cost alone), not even considering higher maintenance costs for the ICE vehicle.
Using your ~$0.40/kWh for the DCFC, for us charging at home is about 7.5x cheaper. But even DCFC at this price is about 2x cheaper than the cost for driving our Outback.
Curiously, there's a ChargePoint station (affiliated with a Shell gas station) about 3 miles from our home that offers free DCFC. Go figure. (But we don't use it... would be nice to find those when road tripping!)
I'm a native of the PNW and it's probably the absolute best case scenario location for EV efficiency on a pure dollar basis. Electricity from hydro is cheap and fuel is expensive. Plus it doesn't get too terribly cold, at least on the wet side of the Cascades, helping EV efficiency. My hometown in the Willamette Valley is in the same USDA plant hardiness zone as we have here in Central Texas. The difference being here that we run the AC 5-6 months a year.
My electric rates are some of the highest in the country...especially when you add the TAXES to the "per kWH" rates they try to make you believe is the true cost. There is only ONE DCFC station within 25 miles of my house that is free and, based on the part of town it is in, I can understand why it is free because I will not go there. For me, charging at home is 3.5-4.0 times cheaper than DCFC. Gas here is about $3.50 per gallon, so 100 miles on a car that gets 30 mpg is 3.33 gallons and that would be $11.65. My EUV cost for 100 miles (3.6 miles/kWh or about 27 kW at $0.45 per kWh) is about $12.50 at an EVgo station and a bit less at an EA station. The BEST savings I get are when I charge at home. This is why I only use DCFC for road trips and emergency fill-ups when I am low and need to get somewhere in a hurry or I forget to plug in the night before (which happens occasionally). ;)
@@jimsEVadventures Interesting comparison. Thanks for the info. Yes, our PUD adds in a Daily System Charge ($0.63/day) and local sales tax (8.7%) so the $0.0739/kWh is a bit misleading. My $0.053/kWh net cost (12-month average) does include all these extra costs but also factors in the benefit (free kWh) from our rooftop solar panels. Fortunately our PUD has not yet imposed time-of-day rate changes.
This was an excellent video
Thank you kindly!
My city has some city-owned DCFC's that are ~20 cents per Kwh. Quite reasonable, in fact its cheaper than some utility customers might pay. There are also some free DCFC's provided by the state along the highway.
There is ONE free DCFC system about 8 miles from my house, but it is ALWAYS full...almost 24/7.
Another informative video. In the My Chevy car Play app on my car screen I set the “my work” location to a far away destination we go to frequently. This gives me an ongoing energy estimate to that location in a flash while I’m driving. Also I noticed today my “energy tracking” button started working. It has not worked since I bought the car last month! It kept giving me a “read only” error. Not sure how it got fixed but I’m glad it did.
Good idea on the "my work" location. I just wish I could set "my work" on the Chevy App. No matter what I do, it is blank. But that is as much Apple and their play space as it is Chevy. Weird about the energy tracking button. Also - look into recurrentauto.com. It is a great way to keep an eye on the battery performance in your car.
@@jimsEVadventures cool! I’ll do that. Thanks.
Setting the work location has to be done on the my Chevy app right on your phone. You go into the map section and click the 3 dots at the top right TWO times in a row. Then it should show “set work location and set home location. You do this when it’s not connected to your vehicle then when you connect next time it will show on your vehicle screen when using Apple car play. I assume android would be similar.
A suburb near me has some free ChargePoint DC chargers. I just bought a used 2020 Bolt last week so I've only charged there once. I'll still probably keep my home 110 volt charger plugged in most evenings, but if I need to add more range I'll take advantage of those chargers. I chatted with somebody using the other charger and was told they're quite busy in the mornings lunch time and evenings. That makes sense, so when I use them I'll go at other times.
There are a few FREE DCFC units here. If you use PlugShare, you can filter “Amenities” and select “Free Charge” to find the ones in your area.
I'm in San Jose, CA and paying PG&E $.51/$.48 per kWh for delivery @ peak/off-peak, then have to pay San Jose Energy ~ $.14 per kWh for generation on top of delivery charges. Crazy expensive.....DCFC is cheaper than charging at home.
Home charging here is 3 times LESS expensive than the cheapest DCFC site in the local area. Funny now things differ from location to location.
Whatever happened to solar cars? where you wouldn't need to plug in at all.
Plugging in will become a thing of the past as the technology for charging while you drive or park becomes available. They are building wireless charging into one of the roads here locally. Here is a nice link to that article...www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2023/12/21/in-road-charging-come-to-central-florida-expressway-electric-vehicle-state-road-516
And Tesla will put it in their cars soon. Here is that article: electrek.co/2023/12/18/tesla-confirms-wireless-inductive-electric-car-home-charger/
I have a great Chargepoint charger that is 0.7 miles from my apartment i use for overnight charging my Bolt. I drive any where from 150 to 200 miles per day for my job and average between $2.50-$3.50 per day. I just take advantage of the walk/jog back and forth morning/evening as my daily excersise. I'll never use those superchargers again unless it's an emergency or long road trip
It’s 7 miles to my closest charger. Well outside my walking range. But your setup sounds good. 👍
I have a solar array at my house so home charging would be quite reasonable I imagine and if I need to buy some power out electric rate here in rural NW Wisconsin costs a modest $0.125 per KWh and just $13 a month to be hooked up to the utility.
Prices may be lower overnight if you must charge off the grid.
@@jimsEVadventures No not here, the power rate is a flat rate unless you get on a off peak service with the utility but then your day rate is really high and the service fee goes up from $13 to $20 in exchange for your night rate being at a low rate and I don’t think it would be worth it for myself.
is there a button to open the trunk from a driver seat?
No. And that’s unfortunate.
So I have a question for you. First some backround. I'm interested in the EV model for a local transportation so not one of "those guys". The question is what are the local/state/fed governments going to do with the lost gas pump tax? A EV car is doing the same wear and tear as a ICE car on the roads. In the perfect world that tax is used on road repairs. I live in Illinois so probably not a perfect world LOL.
The money the “lose” is more made up for on the money from the DCFC stations. I’ll find that amont and do a complete side by side comparison for you. Also…don’t be fooled…if you thing the gas taxes are going directly back to the transportation infrastructure, then you’d be very surprised. Finally, each State is responsible for all secondary and tertiary roads. The feds ONLY pay for interstate projects. The ad veloram taxes on cars on each county and State pays for everything else in your State. And those taxes are significantly higher on EVs.
Also…an interesting set of bills is making their way through many state legislatures. In FL, they are imposing a yearly $200 increased registration fee on EVs to make up for lost gas tax revenue. When money exchanges hands, the government always has its hand out. If it does not exchange hands, they’ll always find a way to pick your pocket. It’s a part of life.
could you give cost per mile?
Cost per mile (at 70 mph) when charging at home is $0.0376 per mile based on the following equation.
100 miles uses 27.77 kWh
Super Off Peak Electrical Rate: $0.1354 per kWh (including taxes)
Total Cost for 27.22 kWh: $3.76
Cost per mile (divide by 100): $3.76 / 100 = $0.0376 per mile.
True cost per mile will be based on two things:
1) How fast you drive.
2) The electrical rates used to charge the vehicle.
Hope that helps.
The charging is so much cheaper than gas and you are not supporting oil and gas companies that cause oil spills and wreak havoc on the planet.
You are so right. I can get 240 miles down the road on $9 worth of electricity. At 30mpg, that would cost a gasoline car $29. Savings indeed. And even on the basic electrical fuel mix of 0.857 lb/kWh (see EIA.gov), that is 55 lbs if CO2. For 8 gallons of gasoline it is 160 pounds (climatekids.nasa.gov/review/carbon/gasoline.html). That’s a huge difference. My next video will cover this in more detail. Should be dropping by 9PM tonight.
People have to learn the math for calculating their cost per mile for their gas cars and do the same make for cost per mile for the EV. If you have to rely on DCFC then the cost isn't really any savings if you have an efficient ICE or Hybrid, or PHEV.
People need to understand you leave home with a full tank daily if you charge at home so you don't need to charge when out. Add solar at home and lock in your price paid to protect yourself from the rapid inflation and you should be able to keep your energy costs well under the average.
Something needs to be done about these HIGH rates on public chargers. Our utilities should be deploying these chargers and passing along a much better price per KWH.
Part of those higher rates on chargers is the fed making up for lost gasoline taxes. The government is going to stand there with their hands out every single time a dollar changes hands. Two guarantees in life…death and taxes. 😳
"If you have to rely on DCFC then the cost isn't really any savings if you have an efficient ICE or Hybrid, or PHEV. "
1. This is not true. 2. About 80% of EV charging happens at home which is much cheaper.
There is no such thing as an efficient ICE or Hybrid. The internal combustion engine has always been very inefficient losing about 80% of its energy through heat. The total cost of ICE vehicles must include the cost to human health from toxic air pollution and climate change impacts, and oil spills. The cost of ICE is far greater.
@@JakeRichardsong The math is pretty simple. Cost per mile. I suggest you do that math compare the cost of public charging networks per mile to gasoline and figure out where the break even point is. If you have a car that get 40mpg, 50mpg or more you will find current public charging costs in many areas are in fact as high or even higher than those more efficient vehicles. It won't take but a few minutes to figure out this is the truth on cost per mile basis for the energy consumed.
I am talking cost per mile for fuel used, NOT vehicle maint, or any of those other routines or intangibles. Direct fuel consumption figures per mile are what I was referring to.
If a person is willing to do their own maintenance for all that routine stuff the cost for that ICE isn't nearly what is promoted. Time for a level set on the facts vs the promotion.
If you charge at home the cost for "fuel" is dramatically less and that is where people should be charging. Again I stated IF you are forced to use DCFC and not access at home charging the cost benefits start to vanish. That does NOT mean owning an EV isn't a good idea for other reasons. It just means people need to be very clear what they are talking about and not so quick to promote all those big savings.
Charging network costs are in fact RISING quickly. EA's latest announcement to align with the high costs that Tesla charges is just one such example.
Tesla charging time and payment system is far faster and far easier… That’s why I bought a Tesla…
Agreed...Tesla charging is faster and easier. This is why almost ALL of the major manufacturers have adopted the NACS system and why those of us stuck with the CCS1 chargers will soon own adapters allowing us to use the Tesla network. It is also why these same manufacturers have united to create a new North American network of chargers that will surpass the numbers Tesla has installed...and the good thing? These new chargers will all have the NACS dispensers! Open to ALL EVs. Would you agree that is also a good thing?
@@jimsEVadventures Agreed but I don’t think they will catch Tesla… there to far ahead… they have been sitting back on their laurels doing nothing while Tesla blows them away…
they will have to find a way to tax the people who charge at home and a special tax on license renewal is the only way, when you fast charge the company who owns the fast charger will have to add a special tax to your charging bill to send the government just like the gas company are doing now.
They already are-pay attention to this channel.
Awe,... You Should Have Bought a Tesla!!! A Lot Cheaper to Charge!!! Way Faster! And And Way Better Maintained Charging Network!!!
Not sure how it can be cheaper to charge when the Tesla has a larger battery? Yes…Tesla charges faster on DCFC systems, but 95% of my charging is overnight at home, so no worries. And, I’ll have access to the Tesla network early next year. Most importantly, I saved WAY more than $25,000 that it would have cost to get a comparably equipped Tesla. 🥱😳
they are not talking about this rt now ,they want you to buy the EV car first then they will come for you.
Wrong again.
I filled my Lincoln Corsair with gas in less that 5 minutes and that gave me a little over 400 miles range. And I was probably 25-30 miles down the road while this guy was still trying to charge his battery and only getting 160 or so miles of range? And they are spending massive amounts of tax payer money to incentivize this? The technology is just not there yet for any massive adoption of electric vehicles. It will take a few more years.
This year, 11 out of every 100 new cars sold will be electric. Gasoline (which is inherently more expensive and polluting over time) are more expensive over time. Only 5 percent of cars travel over 200 miles on any given day of the week and even fewer more than that. So…that argument is not valid for more than 95 percent of the driving that most people do regularly and should not be the only reason to put off adopting an EV. Electrics are on par in terms of initial cost, less expensive to operate daily, 10 fold easier to maintain, and will outlast an ICE vehicle by many years. I’ll concede ICE is faster to fuel! But that’s only part of the car ownership experience wouldn’t you say?
You mean decades. Even with Tesla's supercharger network, it's still not "matchable" with gas. The only way EV makes sense, is if the price is reasonable and you live in suburbia with a driveway as you won't DCFC very often. I have an EUV and I charge at home on days I work. When I'm home, I charge for free at a Walmart 5 mins away. Otherwise EVs don't make financial sense at all.
" And I was probably 25-30 miles down the road while this guy was still trying to charge his battery..." and spewing toxic air pollution the whole time. Just awful. Also, the oil and gas companies have been receiving federal subsidies for decades and still are.
Guess you never saw all the hazardous waste that lithium mining produces? I am all for reducing the carbon footprint but you hit on the problem. It is all political.@@JakeRichardsong
@@dannywalker1635 Petroleum extraction and processing is far, far more damaging. There's no comparison. Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez and on and on. Air pollution from internal combustion engines causes many human diseases and millions of premature human deaths globally per year. Dieselgate, etc. Internal combustion engines are also woefully inefficient losing about 80% of their energy through radiating heat. A very inefficient and outdated technology. We all need to adapt and change for our health and the planet.
It's not much cheaper in you live in northern California.
Understood. 👍
Total nonsense.
and believe you me it will be a lot more than $3.21 probably 50% more just like on a gallon of gas: equal $6. 42
Spoken like a bought and paid for oil company spokesperson.
they can keep the stinkin stuff especially if the Govt is involved
The government is involved in everything that moves in the road…including gas, diesel, PHEV, hybrids and EVs. So I guess we can count you out on all vehicles?
people are not going to sit there for a half hour . PEOPLE DONT EVEN WANT TO STAND INLINE AT A STORE
People do sit there for half an hour. An hour. Even longer sometime. You’d be surprised at the patience and courtesy of MOST (not all) in the EV community. Bolt EV/EUV and Nissan Leaf and some of early Hyundai Kona owners especially. But I understand your statement. Everybody wants a fine charcoal cooked steak cooked at microwave speeds.
Rather put solar arrays and wind turbines on the car so people can drive by instead if letting it sit there and charging your bucks, but rather let you save your bucks longterm, + independent energyify your home + drones to order in store or online delivery if lines too long akak drone mobile kiosks when necessary in line + catalysts to upcoming atomformer tech
A wind generator on a car, huh…. I don’t see that happening anytime soon but some cars have solar roofs and one guy in the southwest left his car out in the sun for two days straight and just got a 14% battery charge with the roof alone so it will help some but you won’t pass by all the chargers on a trip.
@@hermancm unless you test it & "ducts in a car to compress & flow the wind enegy to push mor eenegy into the car & efetcive in windy ststionary or driving by, by the widn forces on the car itself + combo battery,solar,hydrogen,etc
@@michaeldickins9238wind turbines on cars don’t make any sense. That goes against the whole point of lowering drag.
you cant avoid the taxman
Still wrong.
electric cars are full of supprizes first you will realize that in winter they lose 30% OF THEIR CHARGE; then your insurance rates will double; next: if you charge at home for now their is no special road taxe on the electricity. but its coming; RT now the fast charging grid is not strong enough so be prepared to wait on the idiot who owns an EV that does not fast charge (3 hours). and of course you were attracted by the 10,000 dollar incentive then you were told that the tax is calculated from the full price of the vehicle which just cancelled your incentive because in canada the tax is 15.4% so your vehicle will take minimum 10 years to recuperate the difference from an ICE vehicle. and if you run out of juice ,they have not yet invented an electric gas can so you can get a little bit of electricity to get you to a charger. GOOD LUCK we still have a way to go. RT now i drive a plug in hybrid which is the best solution untill cars go minimum of 400 milles on a charge thats the magic number. When i remain in town and charge at home I can go one month without any gas. when i run out of electricity the gas comes on , when i go downhill i can brake charge the car and when i go uphill I can use the charge button which engages the gas engine and it charges the battery. Its very ingenious. Still waiting for the 400 miles battery and around 50,000 dollar car which is probably at minimum 3 more years. But i must say a PHEV is rt now the way to go for those charging at home and dont go often on long trips.
Reported for misinformation.
No…they don’t lose 30 percent of their range. No, insurance rates don’t double. My rates are 20 percent cheaper on a 2023 Bolt EUV than they are on a 2016 Accord. Charging while going downhill is standard on any EV. Hybrids are 131 times more likely to spontaneously burst into flames. And you have double the maintenance requirements-gas engine and electric power train. You can drive a Bolt off the lot anywhere for under $30K and that’s BEFORE any incentives. I don’t know where you got your information about EVs, but you’re wrong on all points. PHEVs aren’t the answer until batteries reach 400 miles. That’s you opinion…and you know what they say about those. Thanks for trying…