Comparing history with the movie Enemy at the Gates (an audio podcast)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Get a look at a different angle of World War II as we compare the 2001 film Enemy at the Gates with history.
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The Russians never actually gunned down all their retreating troops. Many were only shot because of cowardice and falling back from a defensive position. And even then the “not one step back” order was meant more for the commissars and generals. It was to force discipline in the troops and make sure the army stopped just retreating deeper into Russia. A lot of soldiers retreated with the attitude that they had a lot of land to retreat into. But to the truth of it, they where leaving behind all their weapons and ammo and food. That’s why the rule was enforced , not to just kill the retreating troops from a failed attack.
Order #227 is the order of Stalin was to shoot panic mongers or cowards who ran away or refused to fight or refused to follow orders of charge but it was used against about 1,000 troops however it was Penal Battalions that where criminals that were seen as acceptable losses and less than human people.
Yeah, gunning down your own soldiers en masse is - surprisngly enough - very poor strategy, even if you are an "evil commie" ! No matter how you feel about Stalin or bolshevism in general, or how much or how little you know about WW2 or military taftics in general, that's just common sense.
@@farrdawgjoker7087 Yeah, except for the cases where people got sent to Penal Battalions for a short tour, then returned to their original units (with ranks restored). They weren't necessarily "death sentences" they were just a step below conscripts.
@@farrdawgjoker7087 not to defend stalin or the soviet union but there wasnt really many cases of barrier troops shooting people on the soviet front. did it happen? yeah but normally they were sent to penal battalions. if anything the people incharge got a more harsh treatment for ordering an unauthorized retreat. and as far as we know the people who were executed for panic mongering, cowardice and refusal to fight was very very low. they kinda needed their own fellow soldiers to come foreward about that. Order 227 was necessary because they were just retreating and retreating to the point they lost the main food resource. Humans were another resource you dont want to just execute. dead men dont fight
Starts at 3:45 and you are welcome in advance.
the true story sounds way more epic than the movie imo
the kid who got hanged was a ctually a 17 year old russian spy in real life. trivial fact
...surprise the Hollywood movie isnt 100% historically accurate
touristguy87 or even 30% accurate
this script was written by a rabid anti-communist. it's TOTAL propaganda. it leaves out all the atrocities committed by the Nazi invaders who's EXPRESS purpose for invading russia was to purge the Communists and Slavs from the earth for living room.
... surprise the Soviet Union had several prophetic FEMALE snipers and a movie wasn't made about them
Vasily was not killed in Stalingrad really read the wiki.
He died at 1991 at Kiev at Ukraine
it`s not smart to use wikipedia
you read how it`s written and how it works
Delta Red who said he was killed in stalingrad? ?😂😂
Michael Lo
^this exactly lol
No one said he was...
The narrator asked in the begining of the movie which one out of three options wasnt right. Delta red is just answering the question....
OMG the snow in the mouth was from white death semo Hayek or something like that
great job!
The game call of duty world at war was based on this film .
✩ⓌⒾⓁⓁⓏⒺ✩ it’s based on call of duty 1 not world at war
Very informative. Love this podcast
Glad you enjoyed it!
Truth is stranger than fiction.
I remember how I heard somewhere that Enemy on the Gates is based more off of the book "City of Rats" which is an American novel based on the Russian sniper
Great video
"They had to stay quiet on the barge so as not to attract attention from the planes overhead"? (8:00) The germans must've been using hot-air balloons...
Zytsef was not killed at Stalingrag. What are you like?
excellent work, love this movie. Subscription added.
Thank you for the kind words!
you're welcome, keep it up.
Another good book about the sniper duel is “War of The Rats” by David L. Robbins
Good podcast. One error though, the movie does show scenes of when he was presumed dead.
he wasn’t killed in stalingrad
the duel between him and major kownig was not fictional
Abdullah Alsudani
Please tell me who said he was killed in Stalingrad???
If you were listening to the details, you would know he was not killed in the battle of Stalingrad.
+Abdullah Alsudani The duel between major koenig was fictional. Major Erwin Koening is depicted as an SS elite sniper that work as an instructor on a sniper school in germany. There were no SS troops among the german troops in Stalingrad. Only heer and luftwaffe, which was part of the wehrmacht. There are not really any reliable sources that he existed.
Vasiliy Zaitsev didn't die in Staligrad, here is his long post-war interview: ruclips.net/video/692xwcADYdw/видео.html
Paulus's wife was told to deny her name in Germany but refused, and their whole family was punished.
stalingrad wasn't one of the deadliest battles .it was the deadliest battle
About the disparity of Russian names in English of the same individual: those are due to transcribing it from the Cyrillic script and using different arbitrary rules. Russian letter “y” phonetically is “oo” in boom, but gets transliterated as “u” or “ou” or whatever the heck that person fancies! Russians themselves cringe at the Russian names in English
Those hoards of troops thrown against walls of Germans was called shock troops also most shock troops were penal brigades also
+Justin Berryman The shock troops were assualt troops designet to brak through german defences, they were very well equipped and were highly trained for their purpose. They were not mostly penal battalions.
Dude he didn’t die on Stalingrad and also his duel with major könig was real and he got injured on battle of seelow heights by a mine or shrapnel
God bless vassili zaitsev he died in 1991 and actually told the story you can watch it on RUclips God bless these men that killed these evil
Many movie was nonsense, the 'Viceroy' portrayed Monbatten was like a charity worker giving out food to refugees caught in chaos! W.T.F. !
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There is no historical accuracy in this movie what so ever. There is no evidence of the one man gets a rifle, the other man gets a clip of ammo thing ever happening in Stalingrad. Nor was there troops shooting at their own soldiers with machineguns. The soviets had around 20 000 troops inside Stalingrad out of an army of 52 500 facing a force of 100 000 german troops.
The blocking detachements or the barrier troops did not fire upon their own troops like in the movie. The barrier troops were stationed behind the unstable units. Soldiers were not allowed to retreat from a position that they were ordered to hold on to, but they were asked to return to their positions, or more accurately blocking detachements demanded them return to the frontline. If they refused they would get sent to penal battalions. There were not that many executions within the 62nd army in Stalingrad. The soviets fighting in Stalingrad were highly motivated brave soldiers who knew what they fought for and fouyght determined against the german soldiers, they were not a bunch of untrained peasants that were sent into battle without weapons. Yes, some soldiers got rifles, others didn't, but the ones who did not, got a submachinegun, anti tank rifle or semi automatic rifle.
Whole of this is bull shit. Vassily Zaisept wounded by a mine in Stalingrad, almost blind at the end of battle but not dead, he became sniper training officer and survive the war. Oder number 227 never mean to shoot retreated soldier but the commander and commisar. Barrier troop don't have to shot at soldier but rather sent them back to unit, sent some to penal battalions, not gun them down by machine gun.
It was battle of seelow heights
I think
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BOTH LIE