For myself, very usable. I use a MacG5 as the main computer in a recording studio. Still plenty powerful. I think for specific applications these older machines are great. I'll likely get another if this one dies.
I'm still using one for music production with Logic studio 8. My loyal friend. Perfect machine. I've tried a newer one with the intel chip and Logic 10, but I wouldn't use my hardware anymore so I didn't like it and I switched back.
I still have my 1.6Ghz G5 in the closet. I bought it new in 2004, and boy did I love it. I felt that Apple abandoned the platform far too quickly. We should have gotten Snow Leopard and maybe Lion before support was dropped. I enjoyed the video!
@@bull_technology Motorola really didn't give them much of a choice. The G5 ran too hot for laptops and that was a key component of where the future of PCs was going.
@@fmlazarMotorola dropped out of the Apple PPC market before the G5 came along. IBM gave Apple a design based on their server CPUs, but really didn't want to spend huge amounts of money developing and manufacturing desktop CPUs for Apple, which had such a small market share. X86 had the desktop market sewn up, and it simply wasn't cost effective for IBM. But they did supply PPC CPUs for several console manufacturers, as well as embedded and server applications.
The later, more powerful Powermac G5s were not water cooled, they were liquid cooled. Ther4e is a distinct difference. The liquid involved is similar to radiator fluid. The early liquid ooled machines were ticking time bombs, due to fluid leakage, which deposited the fluid right on the power supply.
The design of the case is splendid, as is the build quality of the entire computer and installing the maximum amount of ram., and an SSD., would help it's performance and perhaps Morph OS., would be worth trying.
Still got my end run G5 maxed it out with memory a few years ago and added SSD to it, added the not so official OSX update and it works well. Does the job its meant for.
Nice tribute to the last great beast of the PPC era. As folks below have noted, there is a community based around this platform - from newer browsers to Sorbet Leopard. I'm sure you discovered, or already knew about Macintosh Garden. There is some movement on newer versions of PPC Linux, including ones that fully utilize that 64 bit processor... sadly, I'm not so sure any of them are ready for prime time (Void & Adelie seem to be popular options this year). With Linux, however, this machine will run sites like RUclips with no problem - but you face the daunting task of finding or compiling applications. I use a late model G4 on a semi-regular basis for writing and layout work - though I did use a dual 2.0 G5 until it died on me (they can be very temperamental compared to g4 machines). Scrivener was updated until around 2012 for PPC, Office 2008 works well. Photoshop CS4 is still fairly capable. Gaming wise, it really depends on what you like - and not having a dedicated 'classic' environment like 10.4 Tiger or the ability to dual boot OS9 without some hacking - does limit the availability of games. Emulators like SheepShaver/Basilisk open up some vintage options though. I'm an cRPG kinda guy, and there is a pretty good abandonware world for these - I actually modded Baldur's Gate like someone would have 20 years ago just last year... Games like American McGee's Alice and the classic Doom/Quake games scream on machines like your's. Minecraft is still actively tweaked for PPC by some devoted folks from a very old version... Check out Action Retro if you haven't already. Keeping a PPC running is a fun hobby, as these were great machines in their day - and still quite capable if you manage expectations. I look forward to more stuff from you. Subscribed.
Hey thanks, and yeah it’s definitely a fun hobby to tinker with the PPC Macs. I have a G3 video coming down the pike, and it’s fun to see what these old machines are still capable of. Thanks for the kind words and the sub 👍
I have a Mac Mini G4 1.42GHz. The G4 was always one of my favorite CPU’s since seeing the mhz myth video back in 2006. Also altivec is really cool and often if the machine couldn’t hack a video format I’d find an altivec enabled playback program and it’d push it over the edge into “playable” I.e. no more dropped frames. However I think something’s wrong with mine it has blurry pictures when I open a jpeg it looks like a highly compressed image and Halo PC demo runs terribly even at lowest settings. My 850mhz AMD K7 Duron box played much better with a similar gpu to what the mini has
@@Protoking The G4 Mac minis are excellent. I have a family member who uses one as a media PC for their TV, and its truly a great little package--especially when you consider the age. It does seem like your unit might have an issue though with the JPEG issue--that's not an issue that I've heard of before though.
@@fmlazarNo, that's absolutely not the case. With the right optimisations, powermac G5s could run modern Web code without too many issues. The problem is that those optimisations require a lot of specialist knowledge, time and effort, and are not going to happen because there aren't enough PPC coders willing or able to do it. Modern compilers are set up to optimise for modern X86 or ARM processors, and altering applications to take advantage of PPC and Altivec isn't a viable use of resources any more. With modern GPU rendering, drivers are the big problem.
@@bull_technology Actually, it is! It runs just fine when I just expected it to *NOT COMPUTE*. Fallout 1 ran just as well, no hacks or workarounds needed. And the best thing about a G5 is IT HAS A BLOODY OPTICAL DRIVE! And, it's user-configurable. I've been thinking about putting MorphOS on one of the G5s just to see if it's anything like having my Amiga back, since it runs on PPC Architecure, it should be faster and if it's compatible with Amiga (games, especially), that would be exciting!
Out of fairness, it does work. The content creator illustrated that the powermac works. Technology evolves and moves on. For curiosity's sake, how long should they hold onto & support aging hardware? 8 years? 10 years? 15 years? 20+? What's an acceptable amount of time? Should the industry ignore new innovation, standards and hardware needs to maximize aging platform use? I imagine that is what various 64bit Linux distros, MorphOS, Sorbet, and others etc. are there for. That is where extended support and functionality can be found.
@@caradabikeazul I think the inevitable evolution in hardware and software & their costs (both client facing and customer retail facing) influence the heft of websites. A perfect example of hardware evolution is how low bandwidth (dial up) of the 90s vs high bandwidth of the 2ks+ revolutionized content (and size) of websites & the services they could deliver. As faster & more capable machines are built and used on faster always on networks, the website ecosystem grows to service these modern machines, not comparatively slow machines from 15-20 years ago. I adore my old macs and stubbornly and lovingly still used them on the modern web but I also 110% realize the reality of an industry reacting to an ever evolving and growing wave of faster and more competent computing power in the palm of our hands. That doesn't mean the sites of web 2022 are bloated fatties or bad; they're just made for a modern computing experience run on modern computers that allows their codebase to be bigger and carry more.
My 2,7ghzPowermac G5 has died on my due to leaking coolant. Ik dript into the power supply which burned. It’s been 6 years since it died and am still in doubt of trying to breath new life in it as I don’t have any use for it. i’ve used it for 6 years before it died. My PowerMac G4 MDD however is still running. and is been used for music making on Mac OS9. I’m using a 2012 Mac Mini now for most tasks and it seems to be far more versitile than the G5 was.
Yeah… the water cooling systems in these were definitely a problem. I suspect there's an issue with mine which is a reason for the incredible fan speed in this video. I haven't noticed any leakage from mine, but it certainly isn't performing as it should. It's a good thing Apple didn't revisit liquid cooling after the G5's.
I haven't messed with calibration. I suspect it's a coolant leak because I've done some minor testing with an older version of Macs Fan Control and the temps are way to high even with the fans at full tilt. Honestly it isn't much of a concern to me at the moment as I rarely use the machine.
I pretty much just got two of these for free from my work being closed and now I don’t know what to do with them if I should keep them or if I should sell them
Ciao, video interessante ma come ho già visto in altre recensioni, privo di fondamentali informazioni in alcuni tratti. Il G5 Quad utilizza 2 cpu fisiche Dual Core dotata ognuna di una misera cache di 1Mb. Prodotti a 65nm, esattamente come i primi Core 2 Duo di Intel, consumavano molto poco e riscaldavano molto meno comunque ricordiamoci che parliamo di una cpu prodotta tra il 2003 e il 2005, quando i Pentium4 piu veloci necessitavano di grossi dissipatori in rame per smorzare il calore prodotto. La loro produzione di calore è una mistificazione di Apple, che utilizzava il sistema LCS a liquido per impressionare i compratori. IBM utilizzava le stesse cpu per i suoi server e usava il classico raffreddamento ad aria. Quello nel video ha perdite di liquido che se non fermate subito inzupperanno le schede cpu e la PSU. Quanto al software PowerPc, sapppiate che si va da App professionali a quelle scientifiche, passando per quelle da ufficio fino ai giochi, è sufficiente cercarle su siti come Mac Garden o Mac Repository. Ho visto persone cercare di montare video in formato MP4 o H264; tutti i G4 e G5 non hanno hardware per gestire quel formato, ma usando codec come Mpeg2, molto utilizzato nei primi anni 2K ( ancora oggi con il codec ProRes) non esisteva Workstation Xeon a 3,5Ghz che riuscisse a fare di meglio. Bisogna informarsi prima di sparare i colpi di pistola nel nulla. Per questa macchina la Apple metteva a disposizione una scheda video nVidia Quadro Fx4500 PCIe come opzione, di serie usava una leggera nVidia 6600. I 3 Slot PCIe erano 2 a 4x e 1 a 8x dedicato al video. Internamente ha 2 sedi per hard disk da 3,5" in standar serial Ata 150 e poteva essere espanso con normali DDR 533 anche ECC e fino a 16GB di ram. La PSU fornisce 700W di potenza massima ma difficilmente la macchina espansa e a piena potenza supera i 400W. App come Photoshop CS4 funzionano molto bene e il sistema operativo basato su kernel Unix gli permette ottime operazioni in pieno multitasking.
Con il fatto che abbia degli slot PCIe si potrebbe provare ad installare una scheda video "moderna", come una Radeon HD7970. Se non mi sbaglio proprio quella scheda video era optional nei Mac Pro dell'epoca. Inoltre proprio essendo Sata si potrebbe installare un SSD moderno, oppure tentare con un SSD PCIe. Inoltre 16gb di ram ECC, sebbene DDR1, sono piuttosto attuali. Una macchina configurata così secondo me sarebbe perfettamente utilizzabile tutti i giorni anche con carichi più sostenuti. Chiaramente non bisogna dimenticarsi del sistema operativo: il team di Debian dovrebbe ancora mantenere una build nativa per architetture PPC.
@@Nico-mi2pr espanso con un SSD e 16Gb, ma anche 8, rende bene, come ovvio, con le applicazioni del periodo. Ad esempio con la suite Final Cut 6, ancora Universal, si potrebbe montare tranquillamente in HD, usando come codec video un XDCam o un Prores che le cpu gestiscono senza problemi. Ma con telecamere moderne a 4K è meglio lasciare perdere; dato che la gestione di H264 era già pesante per le successive macchine Intel prive di SSE4, sui PowerPc richiederebbe tempi ben più lunghi solo per la conversione da H264/265 4K a HD Prores però se si ha tempo da perdere, la macchina macinerà senza esitazione i compiti più gravosi. Ma se la si volesse utilizzare per i video in definizione standard con codec DVCAM/DV sarà molto veloce anche nella realizzazione della codifica per i DVD, con tempi sbalorditivi; questo perchè le 4 unità Altivec ( estensioni SIMD come le SSE) contribuirebbero a velocizzare quel tipo di operazioni. Software introvabili come Cinema4D 11.5 , altamente ottimizzati, saprebbero rendere ancora un pò di giustizia ad una tecnologia di quasi 20 anni. La 7950 non so se funzioni ma so che la serie precedente AMD 6xxx ha funzionato sotto Linux, su OSX meglio affidarsi a una bella Quadro4500.
I like this mac. I have like 12 of these and use them seating furniture. When you put two side by side they make great stools. So I have working Mac furniture 😅
Well, as terrible as that is, at least it's a testament to Apple's design philosophy. 😉 I can't imagine people using Dell, Alienware or generic PC cases for furniture, but they do look much better in a skip than an Apple case. 😁
Twelve years is a good run... my son is still using my MacBook Pro from 2012. I also see many videos of folks running Apple IIs and compact Macs like the SE/30. I think I'm going to get my 2010 Mac Pro out of storage now... an maybe get a used G5 or G4 tower to sit beside it ; )
This thing consumes so much power that if you actually tried to use it daily you would end up paying more in electricity than the price of a cheap modern computer that would be more capable and faster. Even a modern day celeron laptop can blow this thig out of the water, but it's not always about what's more practical, but what's cooler (or in this case hotter).
i am an IBMer so i do like this machine :D but it is very sad you cant go on every website, now the websites need too much power its ennoying. Hope you will keep it and do another video in 2030 aha
I have more PowerPC mac videos planned for the future, but I completely agree. The web is a sad state of affairs on the PowerPC platform, but I still like to see what these old machines can do.
what i did to modernise it was to switch it to windows 10 bought some new ram and graphics card (nvidia gtx1650) got some new cheap motors for the fans from amazon and got some new fans 3d printed, put in a 500gb hard drive and it worked abselutly great but on the down side it cost me 300 bucks great vid
If you did all that, then you have a Mac Pro. Since it's Intel based, it can do way more than a G5 can ever dream of doing, including running Windows natively. It's funny that as Windows machines, old Intel Macs can run the latest versions of pretty much any software, while as macOS systems they're severely limited, especially the early, Core Solo/Duo, ones.
Powermac G5s cannot run Windows 10 natively. Only Intel based Macs can do that, which means you don't understand what this video is about. A Powermac and a Mac Pro are very, very different.
@@another3997 Verv, very different -- except that they both come in the distinctive "cheese grater" style of case, which may explain the OP's confusion of the two. (Me, I have one of each -- both hand-me-downs from a photographer friend who has been on the forced-upgrade treadmill with Canon and Apple and Adobe for a VERY long time. At least the most expensive part of her gear -- the Canon lenses -- still work with the new mirrorless bodies.)
Where can i download the os installation files ive been looking for hours trying to find a way to update the os on my 2004 g5 that i just pickedup earlier today
@bull_technology normally when I see a warning like this I assume it means the site doesn't work on the browser tbh websites should reword it to say something like "this browser was not tested" or "MAY not function as intended" or something, saying its not supported doesn't really mean anything if most features still work
I agree. It’s confusing and not very accurate… other than forcing people to update, I really can’t think of a reason for a poor design choice like that
@@totallyworksperfectly5424 Yeah I've separated my G5 from the aluminum monitor. I still have the G5, but I use the Apple Cinema Display with a Linux machine because of how great they are. I was thinking of making a video on old Apple displays soon.
Hi, could anyone help me? I have a G5 and only use it for my iPod & iTunes. I do not have wifi or broadband. Only data on my iPhone. Is it possible to empty the photos from my iPhone 11 onto my g5 here in 2023?
You are not using this G5 in the most optimized way. I am seeing this video at 720p60fps in my G5 DP.. there is a whole community that is giving life to these machines by increasing their performance (more than apple did at the time). Of course a stock G5 will not perform correctly by modern standards, please redo the video with a bit more of investigation, like the usage of interweb browser or sorbet leopard. many tweaks are available in the garden or ppc forums
Listen, this video was observing the capability of the G5 without significant alterations to the machine or software. Can these machines be made more usable? I’m sure they can, but most people won’t go the extra mile to make their machine more usable- and this video is simply observing what a G5 can do without modification.
@@bull_technology exactly, most people need to know that there is an extra mile that can achieve a significant performance, like playing a video at full res without the fans going to the max speed. But got your point. Thanks for responding
@@squeezingtheapple6990 Picked up a watercooled G5 that actually works and has the rare yet desirable watercooler. need to install the OS but I did get an SSD for it. Whats a good resource for the power pcs?
That's crazy! I gave in and gutted mine to turn it into a PC (sacrilege). Now it idles at 40 watts but can pull 700 under load. The video card barely fits in the prescribed place, but I'm never going to stray from the awesome look of the stock layout. I'm grateful apple put such an emphasis on airflow because I just replaced the stock fans with grey noctuas and those gets really get the air moving! I can see why 92mm and 80mm fans aren't common anymore, though. They can really get loud when the heat needs to be extracted out of the PC at max speed lol
@@Drakoman07 This was the whole premise of the case - it's nothing less than a giant heat spreader. By the way I did the exact same thing with mine approximately 10 years ago. Gutted it and fitted in some PC parts, but with the main difference to the most other mods I kept the original power button, speaker and disk drive working. Front still looks like original. Was a fun project.
Its kinda funny that the Dell Dimension 2400 has aged significantly better then it's powerpc mac contemporaries. Yeah, your stuck with northwood pentium 4's, 2GiB of ram, and no good options for gpu upgrades. But you can run modern linux and piss about. And hey, it probably consumes WAY less power then this thing. Also, parallel ports!!
I found that really funny in 2011-2012 or so when PPC Macs were still very usable as daily computers. Tiger came out in 2005 and already had meager software support by 2011, but Windows XP which was almost four years older and positively ancient by then, could run most if not all current Windows software. Strange times
You should properly setup that Mac before reviewing it. The performance and heat (fans maxed out) issue you’re getting is solely based on how you have it set up.
This is actually not the case. A very common issue with the PowerPC platform was energy usage and heat output. This was most apparent in the G5 systems (such as this one). This excellent video by The Eight Bit Guy demonstrates this: ruclips.net/video/6SqYMU81l8Y/видео.html To be clear, this video was shot after thoroughly cleaning the computer and giving it a new install of Leopard.
@@bull_technology Except that David's (8-Bit Guy) G5 was leaking coolant, which was very clearly seen in the video. I have a Liquid Cooled G5 which doesn't have a leak and at idle it only hums. Sure it can get noisy while rendering a video in Final Cut Pro 6 but ~60% of the time it is quiet.
For myself, very usable. I use a MacG5 as the main computer in a recording studio. Still plenty powerful. I think for specific applications these older machines are great. I'll likely get another if this one dies.
The G5 certainly does have enough capability for some. If you're using older applications or lighter applications, one should have no real issues.
I got 1 in good condition
I'm still using one for music production with Logic studio 8.
My loyal friend. Perfect machine. I've tried a newer one with the intel chip and Logic 10, but I wouldn't use my hardware anymore so I didn't like it and I switched back.
It's a great machine... and--yes--they do last forever.
I still have my 1.6Ghz G5 in the closet. I bought it new in 2004, and boy did I love it. I felt that Apple abandoned the platform far too quickly. We should have gotten Snow Leopard and maybe Lion before support was dropped. I enjoyed the video!
I agree. Support for the PPC was dropped way to soon, and it’s sad given the capability of some of the higher end units. Thanks for the comment.
@@bull_technology Motorola really didn't give them much of a choice. The G5 ran too hot for laptops and that was a key component of where the future of PCs was going.
@@fmlazar Not Motorola, IBM.
@@fmlazarMotorola dropped out of the Apple PPC market before the G5 came along. IBM gave Apple a design based on their server CPUs, but really didn't want to spend huge amounts of money developing and manufacturing desktop CPUs for Apple, which had such a small market share. X86 had the desktop market sewn up, and it simply wasn't cost effective for IBM. But they did supply PPC CPUs for several console manufacturers, as well as embedded and server applications.
Agree!
The later, more powerful Powermac G5s were not water cooled, they were liquid cooled. Ther4e is a distinct difference. The liquid involved is similar to radiator fluid. The early liquid ooled machines were ticking time bombs, due to fluid leakage, which deposited the fluid right on the power supply.
The design of the case is splendid, as is the build quality of the entire computer and installing the maximum amount of ram., and an SSD., would help it's performance and perhaps Morph OS., would be worth trying.
Still got my end run G5 maxed it out with memory a few years ago and added SSD to it, added the not so official OSX update and it works well. Does the job its meant for.
If you have the right configuration consider trying out MorphOS. Only PowerMac 7,2 and PowerMac7,3 (A1047) are fully supported
That's good to know, thanks!
Nice tribute to the last great beast of the PPC era.
As folks below have noted, there is a community based around this platform - from newer browsers to Sorbet Leopard. I'm sure you discovered, or already knew about Macintosh Garden. There is some movement on newer versions of PPC Linux, including ones that fully utilize that 64 bit processor... sadly, I'm not so sure any of them are ready for prime time (Void & Adelie seem to be popular options this year). With Linux, however, this machine will run sites like RUclips with no problem - but you face the daunting task of finding or compiling applications.
I use a late model G4 on a semi-regular basis for writing and layout work - though I did use a dual 2.0 G5 until it died on me (they can be very temperamental compared to g4 machines). Scrivener was updated until around 2012 for PPC, Office 2008 works well. Photoshop CS4 is still fairly capable.
Gaming wise, it really depends on what you like - and not having a dedicated 'classic' environment like 10.4 Tiger or the ability to dual boot OS9 without some hacking - does limit the availability of games. Emulators like SheepShaver/Basilisk open up some vintage options though. I'm an cRPG kinda guy, and there is a pretty good abandonware world for these - I actually modded Baldur's Gate like someone would have 20 years ago just last year... Games like American McGee's Alice and the classic Doom/Quake games scream on machines like your's. Minecraft is still actively tweaked for PPC by some devoted folks from a very old version... Check out Action Retro if you haven't already.
Keeping a PPC running is a fun hobby, as these were great machines in their day - and still quite capable if you manage expectations.
I look forward to more stuff from you. Subscribed.
Hey thanks, and yeah it’s definitely a fun hobby to tinker with the PPC Macs. I have a G3 video coming down the pike, and it’s fun to see what these old machines are still capable of.
Thanks for the kind words and the sub 👍
I have a Mac Mini G4 1.42GHz. The G4 was always one of my favorite CPU’s since seeing the mhz myth video back in 2006. Also altivec is really cool and often if the machine couldn’t hack a video format I’d find an altivec enabled playback program and it’d push it over the edge into “playable” I.e. no more dropped frames. However I think something’s wrong with mine it has blurry pictures when I open a jpeg it looks like a highly compressed image and Halo PC demo runs terribly even at lowest settings. My 850mhz AMD K7 Duron box played much better with a similar gpu to what the mini has
@@Protoking The G4 Mac minis are excellent. I have a family member who uses one as a media PC for their TV, and its truly a great little package--especially when you consider the age.
It does seem like your unit might have an issue though with the JPEG issue--that's not an issue that I've heard of before though.
No matter how optimized the OS, the hardware is simply not up to the computational demands of modern web code.
@@fmlazarNo, that's absolutely not the case. With the right optimisations, powermac G5s could run modern Web code without too many issues. The problem is that those optimisations require a lot of specialist knowledge, time and effort, and are not going to happen because there aren't enough PPC coders willing or able to do it. Modern compilers are set up to optimise for modern X86 or ARM processors, and altering applications to take advantage of PPC and Altivec isn't a viable use of resources any more. With modern GPU rendering, drivers are the big problem.
I was very happy to discover that my regular old PC discs for Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 ran with no problem on my PowerPC G5.
Excellent. It seems like the perfect combo: Fallout 2 and a PPC Mac
@@bull_technology Actually, it is! It runs just fine when I just expected it to *NOT COMPUTE*. Fallout 1 ran just as well, no hacks or workarounds needed. And the best thing about a G5 is IT HAS A BLOODY OPTICAL DRIVE! And, it's user-configurable. I've been thinking about putting MorphOS on one of the G5s just to see if it's anything like having my Amiga back, since it runs on PPC Architecure, it should be faster and if it's compatible with Amiga (games, especially), that would be exciting!
Oh hey good luck with that! But I’m very glad someone else is able to get more mileage out of a G5 (and the early Fallout games too).
I still use my dual 2.7 for gaming old games. Love that computer.
I don't think I'll ever get rid of mine. It's absolutely wonderfully built, and it will always have its uses to me 👍
It's very sad what they do to computers. They force us to update our PCs. This is a beautiful machine and it should work.
I agree completely
You just have to do a little research and work, my iBook has a tenth of the power of the G5....
ruclips.net/video/oYYMYBP3L00/видео.html
Out of fairness, it does work. The content creator illustrated that the powermac works. Technology evolves and moves on. For curiosity's sake, how long should they hold onto & support aging hardware? 8 years? 10 years? 15 years? 20+? What's an acceptable amount of time? Should the industry ignore new innovation, standards and hardware needs to maximize aging platform use? I imagine that is what various 64bit Linux distros, MorphOS, Sorbet, and others etc. are there for. That is where extended support and functionality can be found.
@@burrocakes8048 Do you think RUclips needs to be that heavy? It's basically the same thing as 10 years ago, and pretty heavier.
@@caradabikeazul I think the inevitable evolution in hardware and software & their costs (both client facing and customer retail facing) influence the heft of websites. A perfect example of hardware evolution is how low bandwidth (dial up) of the 90s vs high bandwidth of the 2ks+ revolutionized content (and size) of websites & the services they could deliver. As faster & more capable machines are built and used on faster always on networks, the website ecosystem grows to service these modern machines, not comparatively slow machines from 15-20 years ago. I adore my old macs and stubbornly and lovingly still used them on the modern web but I also 110% realize the reality of an industry reacting to an ever evolving and growing wave of faster and more competent computing power in the palm of our hands. That doesn't mean the sites of web 2022 are bloated fatties or bad; they're just made for a modern computing experience run on modern computers that allows their codebase to be bigger and carry more.
My 2,7ghzPowermac G5 has died on my due to leaking coolant. Ik dript into the power supply which burned.
It’s been 6 years since it died and am still in doubt of trying to breath new life in it as I don’t have any use for it. i’ve used it for 6 years before it died.
My PowerMac G4 MDD however is still running. and is been used for music making on Mac OS9.
I’m using a 2012 Mac Mini now for most tasks and it seems to be far more versitile than the G5 was.
Perhaps you can source cheaply a newer power supply and convert the quad G5 to air cooling like the old VW were!
o men , You need to try a Linux distribution... that g5 needs it :)
Ive managed to own two of these. Got them both after cooling failures. Was able to "repair" both but damn when they leak they LEAK
Yeah… the water cooling systems in these were definitely a problem. I suspect there's an issue with mine which is a reason for the incredible fan speed in this video. I haven't noticed any leakage from mine, but it certainly isn't performing as it should. It's a good thing Apple didn't revisit liquid cooling after the G5's.
@bull_technology have you tried to calibrate the fans? I had to do that once. Want to say I had to download something from apple to burn to a DVD
I haven't messed with calibration. I suspect it's a coolant leak because I've done some minor testing with an older version of Macs Fan Control and the temps are way to high even with the fans at full tilt.
Honestly it isn't much of a concern to me at the moment as I rarely use the machine.
The fact this looks like it’s more powerful than a modern pc
The design really does hold up after all these years
I pretty much just got two of these for free from my work being closed and now I don’t know what to do with them if I should keep them or if I should sell them
Ciao, video interessante ma come ho già visto in altre recensioni, privo di fondamentali informazioni in alcuni tratti. Il G5 Quad utilizza 2 cpu fisiche Dual Core dotata ognuna di una misera cache di 1Mb. Prodotti a 65nm, esattamente come i primi Core 2 Duo di Intel, consumavano molto poco e riscaldavano molto meno comunque ricordiamoci che parliamo di una cpu prodotta tra il 2003 e il 2005, quando i Pentium4 piu veloci necessitavano di grossi dissipatori in rame per smorzare il calore prodotto. La loro produzione di calore è una mistificazione di Apple, che utilizzava il sistema LCS a liquido per impressionare i compratori. IBM utilizzava le stesse cpu per i suoi server e usava il classico raffreddamento ad aria. Quello nel video ha perdite di liquido che se non fermate subito inzupperanno le schede cpu e la PSU. Quanto al software PowerPc, sapppiate che si va da App professionali a quelle scientifiche, passando per quelle da ufficio fino ai giochi, è sufficiente cercarle su siti come Mac Garden o Mac Repository. Ho visto persone cercare di montare video in formato MP4 o H264; tutti i G4 e G5 non hanno hardware per gestire quel formato, ma usando codec come Mpeg2, molto utilizzato nei primi anni 2K ( ancora oggi con il codec ProRes) non esisteva Workstation Xeon a 3,5Ghz che riuscisse a fare di meglio. Bisogna informarsi prima di sparare i colpi di pistola nel nulla. Per questa macchina la Apple metteva a disposizione una scheda video nVidia Quadro Fx4500 PCIe come opzione, di serie usava una leggera nVidia 6600. I 3 Slot PCIe erano 2 a 4x e 1 a 8x dedicato al video. Internamente ha 2 sedi per hard disk da 3,5" in standar serial Ata 150 e poteva essere espanso con normali DDR 533 anche ECC e fino a 16GB di ram. La PSU fornisce 700W di potenza massima ma difficilmente la macchina espansa e a piena potenza supera i 400W. App come Photoshop CS4 funzionano molto bene e il sistema operativo basato su kernel Unix gli permette ottime operazioni in pieno multitasking.
Con il fatto che abbia degli slot PCIe si potrebbe provare ad installare una scheda video "moderna", come una Radeon HD7970. Se non mi sbaglio proprio quella scheda video era optional nei Mac Pro dell'epoca. Inoltre proprio essendo Sata si potrebbe installare un SSD moderno, oppure tentare con un SSD PCIe. Inoltre 16gb di ram ECC, sebbene DDR1, sono piuttosto attuali. Una macchina configurata così secondo me sarebbe perfettamente utilizzabile tutti i giorni anche con carichi più sostenuti. Chiaramente non bisogna dimenticarsi del sistema operativo: il team di Debian dovrebbe ancora mantenere una build nativa per architetture PPC.
@@Nico-mi2pr espanso con un SSD e 16Gb, ma anche 8, rende bene, come ovvio, con le applicazioni del periodo. Ad esempio con la suite Final Cut 6, ancora Universal, si potrebbe montare tranquillamente in HD, usando come codec video un XDCam o un Prores che le cpu gestiscono senza problemi. Ma con telecamere moderne a 4K è meglio lasciare perdere; dato che la gestione di H264 era già pesante per le successive macchine Intel prive di SSE4, sui PowerPc richiederebbe tempi ben più lunghi solo per la conversione da H264/265 4K a HD Prores però se si ha tempo da perdere, la macchina macinerà senza esitazione i compiti più gravosi. Ma se la si volesse utilizzare per i video in definizione standard con codec DVCAM/DV sarà molto veloce anche nella realizzazione della codifica per i DVD, con tempi sbalorditivi; questo perchè le 4 unità Altivec ( estensioni SIMD come le SSE) contribuirebbero a velocizzare quel tipo di operazioni. Software introvabili come Cinema4D 11.5 , altamente ottimizzati, saprebbero rendere ancora un pò di giustizia ad una tecnologia di quasi 20 anni. La 7950 non so se funzioni ma so che la serie precedente AMD 6xxx ha funzionato sotto Linux, su OSX meglio affidarsi a una bella Quadro4500.
I like this mac. I have like 12 of these and use them seating furniture. When you put two side by side they make great stools.
So I have working Mac furniture 😅
Well, as terrible as that is, at least it's a testament to Apple's design philosophy. 😉 I can't imagine people using Dell, Alienware or generic PC cases for furniture, but they do look much better in a skip than an Apple case. 😁
It really does illustrate Apple's brilliant design and quality. There have been countless times where I have used my G5 as a bench as well
I work with one G5 DP 1.8ghz from 2004 to 2016. No longer works. Nice machine!
It is a nice machine, and hey a 12 year run isn’t bad
@@bull_technology Yes, i think was the logic board that give up!
That’s too bad!
Twelve years is a good run... my son is still using my MacBook Pro from 2012. I also see many videos of folks running Apple IIs and compact Macs like the SE/30. I think I'm going to get my 2010 Mac Pro out of storage now... an maybe get a used G5 or G4 tower to sit beside it ; )
@@ftlbaby At home i use an iMac (21.5 inch, from 2011), only replace de harddrive for an ssd for now!
This thing consumes so much power that if you actually tried to use it daily you would end up paying more in electricity than the price of a cheap modern computer that would be more capable and faster. Even a modern day celeron laptop can blow this thig out of the water, but it's not always about what's more practical, but what's cooler (or in this case hotter).
Indeed, a low power modern CPU would run rings around this machine when it comes to performance per watt.
i am an IBMer so i do like this machine :D but it is very sad you cant go on every website, now the websites need too much power its ennoying. Hope you will keep it and do another video in 2030 aha
I have more PowerPC mac videos planned for the future, but I completely agree. The web is a sad state of affairs on the PowerPC platform, but I still like to see what these old machines can do.
Quite a few games for the PPC, Doom 3, RTCW, Prey, 13, COD 1&2, Fable, Quake 4, Just to name a few. All AAA Games.
Indeed, if you can get your hands on them they actually run pretty well on the G5
what i did to modernise it was to switch it to windows 10 bought some new ram and graphics card (nvidia gtx1650) got some new cheap motors for the fans from amazon and got some new fans 3d printed, put in a 500gb hard drive and it worked abselutly great but on the down side it cost me 300 bucks
great vid
If you did all that, then you have a Mac Pro. Since it's Intel based, it can do way more than a G5 can ever dream of doing, including running Windows natively. It's funny that as Windows machines, old Intel Macs can run the latest versions of pretty much any software, while as macOS systems they're severely limited, especially the early, Core Solo/Duo, ones.
Powermac G5s cannot run Windows 10 natively. Only Intel based Macs can do that, which means you don't understand what this video is about. A Powermac and a Mac Pro are very, very different.
@@another3997 Verv, very different -- except that they both come in the distinctive "cheese grater" style of case, which may explain the OP's confusion of the two. (Me, I have one of each -- both hand-me-downs from a photographer friend who has been on the forced-upgrade treadmill with Canon and Apple and Adobe for a VERY long time. At least the most expensive part of her gear -- the Canon lenses -- still work with the new mirrorless bodies.)
Great machine !
It sure is!
such great content but why such a low amount of subscribers
Hey thanks 👍
@@bull_technology i just find it weird how this is such great quality but only that many subs
sorbet leopard will make that system sing my dual 2.5ghz can play everything i through at it
I've heard good things about Sorbet, I would love to give it a try... maybe a possible video idea?
@@bull_technology do itttt :)
There's a lot of games for osx ppc.
Indeed there are, sadly I didn't have any to show off
Where can i download the os installation files ive been looking for hours trying to find a way to update the os on my 2004 g5 that i just pickedup earlier today
Sadly they aren't sourced online very well. Your best bet is to try and find a Leopard CD on eBay.
When you showed the Fan Sound, Wow... Is so Noisy. And make using experience is uncomfortable
It can be, but it's a machine that's almost 20 years old.
How did it let you access Google docs on tenfourfox if browser not supported (top of screen)
The browser not supported banner it's just a warning for security purposes. I usually just ignore it
@bull_technology normally when I see a warning like this I assume it means the site doesn't work on the browser tbh websites should reword it to say something like "this browser was not tested" or "MAY not function as intended" or something, saying its not supported doesn't really mean anything if most features still work
I agree. It’s confusing and not very accurate… other than forcing people to update, I really can’t think of a reason for a poor design choice like that
@bull_technology there are some websites that can block you if your browser is only like 1 year outdated
What's the background song?
iMac G5 and Mac Mini G4 came out after the powermac G5 tho
Not this iteration, the original G5 was 2003. This one is late 2005
Amazing ❤
Thanks!
@@bull_technology I bought one to install MorphOS.
My g5 plays RUclips and mines the duo core version
With the right software, these are still great 👍
I have one from 2008, 17" Tiger
The chip is in the monitor!
No "Cheesegrater" unit!
Max out the RAM, load Linux Mint on an SSD and try to make this your daily driver.
I thought about an addendum video to this outlining Linux on the G5
I'm buying 2 with the original monitors for $75 the lot. They work too
That's an absolute steal. The original monitors still look quite good today, and the machines are just a joy to work on
@@bull_technology, the monitors are stunning, such good quality monitors. Apple definitely done good with the monitors.
@@totallyworksperfectly5424 I couldn't agree more. I hope you enjoy them!
@@bull_technology I just sold my 2 powermac G5's and kept my beautiful monitors.
@@totallyworksperfectly5424 Yeah I've separated my G5 from the aluminum monitor. I still have the G5, but I use the Apple Cinema Display with a Linux machine because of how great they are.
I was thinking of making a video on old Apple displays soon.
WHAT IF, you used a Linux distribution?
Hi, could anyone help me?
I have a G5 and only use it for my iPod & iTunes.
I do not have wifi or broadband.
Only data on my iPhone.
Is it possible to empty the photos from my iPhone 11 onto my g5 here in 2023?
This should be possible over USB. Plugging the phone in should allow you to simply drag the photos into a folder like on a Windows machine
Add morphos to a g5. Fast and fun OS.
I'll have to look into it!
You are not using this G5 in the most optimized way. I am seeing this video at 720p60fps in my G5 DP.. there is a whole community that is giving life to these machines by increasing their performance (more than apple did at the time). Of course a stock G5 will not perform correctly by modern standards, please redo the video with a bit more of investigation, like the usage of interweb browser or sorbet leopard. many tweaks are available in the garden or ppc forums
Listen, this video was observing the capability of the G5 without significant alterations to the machine or software. Can these machines be made more usable? I’m sure they can, but most people won’t go the extra mile to make their machine more usable- and this video is simply observing what a G5 can do without modification.
@@bull_technology exactly, most people need to know that there is an extra mile that can achieve a significant performance, like playing a video at full res without the fans going to the max speed. But got your point. Thanks for responding
Absolutely! I may make a follow up video in the future to see what kinds of modifications can be made to improve the performance of the G5.
@@bull_technology No modifications needed - SSDs and extra RAM are nice but the key improvement is the right software set up correctly.
@@squeezingtheapple6990 Picked up a watercooled G5 that actually works and has the rare yet desirable watercooler. need to install the OS but I did get an SSD for it. Whats a good resource for the power pcs?
You forgot to mention about most of the cooling systems have failed by now.
Indeed. Several other commenters have brought this up, and it appears that the water-cooling systems almost all fail and need serviced.
Just the Energy consumption make these machines absolute obsolete.
600W to playback a Videofile isn't sustainable.
Absolutely. It's big and power hungry--not exactly the dream combo nowadays.
That's crazy! I gave in and gutted mine to turn it into a PC (sacrilege). Now it idles at 40 watts but can pull 700 under load. The video card barely fits in the prescribed place, but I'm never going to stray from the awesome look of the stock layout. I'm grateful apple put such an emphasis on airflow because I just replaced the stock fans with grey noctuas and those gets really get the air moving! I can see why 92mm and 80mm fans aren't common anymore, though. They can really get loud when the heat needs to be extracted out of the PC at max speed lol
@@Drakoman07 This was the whole premise of the case - it's nothing less than a giant heat spreader.
By the way I did the exact same thing with mine approximately 10 years ago.
Gutted it and fitted in some PC parts, but with the main difference to the most other mods I kept the original power button, speaker and disk drive working.
Front still looks like original. Was a fun project.
You need to upgrade you GPU to play youtube
Super cachangaa
Its kinda funny that the Dell Dimension 2400 has aged significantly better then it's powerpc mac contemporaries.
Yeah, your stuck with northwood pentium 4's, 2GiB of ram, and no good options for gpu upgrades.
But you can run modern linux and piss about. And hey, it probably consumes WAY less power then this thing. Also, parallel ports!!
I found that really funny in 2011-2012 or so when PPC Macs were still very usable as daily computers. Tiger came out in 2005 and already had meager software support by 2011, but Windows XP which was almost four years older and positively ancient by then, could run most if not all current Windows software. Strange times
@@floridaman0219 It's especially ironic now given that iPhones tend to have some pretty damn good software and update support.
Ironic isn't it? I do have a video planned soon on the old Dell (what it's capable of etc.)
@@bull_technology You _can_ run KDE Plasma! Slowly, but it works!
@@qwertykeyboard5901 I'll have to give it a shot! I really like the look and UI of KDE Plasma
Put a Rtx 4090 in it
Say whatever you want. The G5 is easily the most beautiful computer ever made.
Indeed. Magnificently designed and engineered.
You should properly setup that Mac before reviewing it. The performance and heat (fans maxed out) issue you’re getting is solely based on how you have it set up.
This is actually not the case.
A very common issue with the PowerPC platform was energy usage and heat output. This was most apparent in the G5 systems (such as this one). This excellent video by The Eight Bit Guy demonstrates this:
ruclips.net/video/6SqYMU81l8Y/видео.html
To be clear, this video was shot after thoroughly cleaning the computer and giving it a new install of Leopard.
@@bull_technology Except that David's (8-Bit Guy) G5 was leaking coolant, which was very clearly seen in the video. I have a Liquid Cooled G5 which doesn't have a leak and at idle it only hums. Sure it can get noisy while rendering a video in Final Cut Pro 6 but ~60% of the time it is quiet.
It's entirely possible that my G5 has a cooling defect-especially given its age.