FFRC PLEX VALVES UPDATE The creators of Plex Valves sold the FFRC business. We picked up new Plex Valves for our latest DR650s and unfortunately they just don't seem to work they way they used to as the new owners have tweaked them. The forks are quite harsh and lost all the 'plushness'. We tried 2.5W fork oil with no success. I took them back to FFRC for adjustment but they was a small improvement but still harsh on bumps. I eventually just swapped to a a pair of RMX250 forks. It might be worth trying the Intiminators or Cogent DDC in the USA or DXF Parts in Australia in the meantime. It seems FFRC has changed yet again to new owners... COMPLETE LIST OF DR650 PROJECT VIDS! Introduction to the DR650 ruclips.net/video/58vB-5urcJI/видео.html Power mods overview ruclips.net/video/z7GcNdlDwdk/видео.html Transforming the carburetor ruclips.net/video/aN1aU0G4YQE/видео.html GSXR exhaust mod ruclips.net/video/Em6SzMTF5SY/видео.html DR650 known issues ruclips.net/video/rSNBa63UWx8/видео.html Basic suspension mods ruclips.net/video/aTYAwIBX9aQ/видео.html Protection for the DR ruclips.net/video/NQcXfOJsLSM/видео.html Ergos: pegs, bars & seats ruclips.net/video/geLR5u8sMhI/видео.html Weight reduction ruclips.net/video/h6fl-GWdURk/видео.html Best suspension mods ruclips.net/video/sGdLm9sXzdo/видео.html Fixing noisy starter motors ruclips.net/video/6P4n80FJP18/видео.html Headlight upgrades ruclips.net/video/G28GoyWp6LI/видео.html Steg Pegz review ruclips.net/video/SnI_pfkuQsg/видео.html
I haven't seen a direct comparison, Rob. But I do know there was exhaustive testing on a $30,000 suspension dyno to get them just right. And there's no need to do any extra work, just drop them in. The old intimanators required taking the forks apart and modifying them. The latest versions still need heavier fork oil to make them work properly... but the FFRC Plex valves are designed to work with the stock fork oil.
@@crosstrainingadventure I have been trying to find more information on the flex valve to order them but I have no luck with the provided link. I am in the US.
Sorry wrong pm but yes suspension is tricky lv been to 3 different mobs and the best lv found so far was shock treatment at wallacia out of Sydney and now back to the AC Tig dude lol
I haven't done much to the forks just springs the bike is like about 250 kgs loaded up so it doesn't deflect easily and l replaced the rear shock with a Elka complete shock with external preload adjustment it works very well and high and low speed compression on the fly adjustment is very handy the external preload adjustment lost its hydraulic pressure but l can still adjust it with tools it's done over twenty thousand ks and hasn't missed a beat worth every cent of 1100 hundred dollars it cost (cape York,Tanami,gt central D, Simpson , golf country etc )
@@crosstrainingadventure Clearing the jump right is the trick,land on the downslope and the bike doesnt kill itself,land short or way long and impact goes way up.
Sam at FFRC was so much help. Purchased plex valve and springs for my weight and riding. Sam talked me through what he recommended. He Got the shock sorted. (Spring,plex valve) for me ridiculously quickly. I did a full rebuild on the fork including plex valves and heavier springs,seals and bushings All back on the bike and took it for a spirited lap through a local fire trail today...... Transformed. Different bike,cannot believe the difference it has made. Thank you for recommending FFRC
I just got on a DR650 off road for the first time in Texas, and yeah they left much to be desired! Still... the power and feel of the DR was addictive, even with most things stock! I think I'll be doing a DR 650 project within the next year, and try to copy everything you've done to yours... then I'll see if I can finally wheelie like you! Also, the drone shots are fantastic!
glad you liked it tyler, and also we can natter about it more indepth if you like. we obviously went overboard with this but there are very budget ways of doing the important mods of course!
ADVENTURE OZ You and Tyler aka EveRide were huge motivations for me getting another DR again after 23 years. Thx for all your knowledge and vids! I will be ordering some of these plexes from FFRC 😀 and want to see Tyler thrash a DR soon.
Talking about timing. Wow! I have not watched one of these in weeks and typed in "Adventure oz" to see if there were any DR650 related clips I had missed. Suspension is the last thing neglected on my bike, but it has not seen real rough off-road yet just two track and gravel roads. I'm about done modding the DR, mostly just ergonomics, carb mods, hand guards and a larger fuel tank at this point. And I want to thank you guys for the epic BST magic tricks. After 3 iterations, the shortened and tapered stock needle works like dark-magic. My ass says its 20% more power, though its likely 3hp, the throttle response and over all change in power delivery is astounding! There will be no pumper carb on this bike. :)
Justin J G'day Justin. I just installed the procycle jet kit a few days ago. I have a staintune exhaust so I put in the 155 main, drilled the second hole in the slide, put in the new needle and air fuel mixture screw. I didn't follow the instructions for the airbox mod, instead I drilled a 2 inch circle (51 mill) as per the adventure Oz video. Mate what a difference! Stock gearing and in first it just throws the front wheel in the air so bloody fast I almost flipped it because I wasn't expecting such a difference! I honestly couldn't be happier! Why anyone would spend the extra coin on a pumper carb I'll never know. It runs smooth and without any flat spots.
it will be interesting to see how other DR650 owners feel about the same upgrades, ryan. i've heard the first two raving about it but like anything you want to have a good sized sample group all raving about it before you can say it's the ants pants. :)
@@crosstrainingadventure how does the frame hold up to the abuse if rough riding? Do you find you need to strengthen it up in any areas? Ive just bought a new Dr and will be looking to do suspension up grades too. I'd be thinking frame might start cracking in areas though. Also does any these upgrades give more height of suspension and vest ways to make seat height higher? Im reasonably tall and used to XR600R size height which I like Dr are fairly small in comparison. Cheers from NZ
I got PLEX valves for my DR, kept the stock progressive springs. It's world of difference especially when braking. Here's a tip though, remember which way your springs came out if you are using progressive springs. If you put one in upside down it will be wonky
That is freaking incredible!! Really?, A 60 footer on a DR? I just sent FFRC an email to see if they could work that kind of magic on my DR 350's suspension. Great video. Thanks for the update. Enjoy the ride.
i hope they'd develop these plex valves for all bikes with rod forks but given the time needed i suspect they'd focus on the most popular bikes first... but if they are the same diameter forks you may be able to just drop these in. maybe....?
I've been two routes with DR650 suspension. One DR I had used a DRZ250 front fork (fits right in but uses smaller front disc and DRZ400 rear shock which required machining on the bottom fit the DR650. This was an okay set up but my second set up was excellent. A KTM WP front fork and triple clamp (same size steering bearings but needs a spacer) and a re-valved and sprung mid 90's KTM rear Ohlins shock (Cost about $150 US plus 400AUD for the Ohlins servicing). This set up also required a KTM front axle and wheel which adds to the costs. If I went another DR I'd go similar mods as described on the video to keep costs and modifications to a minimum. The DR requires KTM money to make it into a KTM.
it's fun messing around with forks if you like tinkering, hey bing O? i messed around with some old RM250 on a DR650 a few years ago but it is a fair bit of messing around. otherwise i'd say these plex valves look like a good value option.... which could even be sold separate to the bike if you really wanted to get most of your money back. same with intiminators too although you'd probably change the fork oil back to 5w.
damn son, I did a 30' table on the Dr completely stock and it was the sketchiest thing I've ever done in my life. that 60' table looks like it didn't even phase it. I guess I got no choice but to get them things for my bike.
Hay I'm ready for some final stuff , fully tested ready to install by a highly trained in every way except spilling the oil and it all coms sliding out the tubes . .. tanks & tanks & thanks
thanks ediber... unfortunately i won't be posting much on this channel now i'm focusing on the enduro riding, but i'm posting lots of vids on the enduro channel. :) ruclips.net/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/видео.html
on a serious note...... after all these sorts of mods, what is it like to ride on the streets? I want something a little more off road that a V-Strom but it will be my daily commuter..... would the DR after all this work be suitable in your opinion?
i think the stock DR suspension is adequate for plodding around the streets but the moment you push it hard or get into a panic situation it can turn nasty, especially with the front diving under brakes. the bit of road riding i've done it still has the plush feel of the stock setup at normal speeds but is way better when braking hard or riding aggressively.
IMO, 49mm Showa Dual Chambered forks off a 96-98 rm250/125. They should slide right into the triples. All you have to worry about is changing fork springs.
edit: plex valves will NOT fit on pre 1996 DRs. Pay attention to this - I did not; read below... ;-) my advice before ordering plex valves: Disassemble your fork tubes and check out if the inner diameter decreases. The plex valves are meant to be insert all the way down inside the fork tubes. I run a DR650 SP42B from 1990 and unfortunatly the inner diamerter of the fork tubes decreases after 2cm by a few millimeters - plex valves stuck on the top of the fork tube instead of making all the way down. Check out if there is such a transition in inner diameter at your fork tubes - very likely Suzuki has modified the forks over the years of DR production. Despite the non-fitting plex valves on my DR - much appreciate to this channel; love your videos due they are a great help to me as a rookie. all the best!
@@crosstrainingadventure Have not find any spec limitation on the FFRC page yet. Still waiting for a response on my message and photos of the situation I`ve send to FFRC. Will keep ya update.
alright - finally found an advice on the FFRC-page...directly below the headline: "suits 96 - current models" my bad at all - in Germany we used to say: "who is able to read has a clear advantage"
@@crosstrainingadventure hello :) i try to find a good dr in my area. Today i tried one (year 1992 and i read the front fork is 41mm instead of from 1996 models 43mm fork ) Should i worry about the old ones, because of more flex ? What do you think :) Thanks if you answer.
Okay blokes, I had the plex valves pre ordered before the production version were ready for sale. FFRC sent them to me as soon as they were able so I've had them in for a couple or so months now. Stock springs, stock oil and plex valves inserted. Goes for ride and f&ck me!!! Fellas, just buy them! I'm 110 kg's (fat) with a 20 litre Acerbis tank fitted. I consider myself an average experienced rider and unless you are more like the bloke riding in this video, I don't think any of us DR650 riders need heavier fork springs, so try just the Plex valves first. Seriously just order yourself a set cause the bike handles so much better on road especially during braking and offroad it's the bees knees! Just do the mod you won't regret it I guarantee! 😊
ADVENTURE OZ Yes it's an awesome upgrade alright! It's very true what you said about them being plush over the small stuff. The first thing I noticed when riding down the dirt road that I live on, was where have the corrugations gone? Then under braking, ahhh, suddenly I felt some confidence flow through me! 😂 Then I noticed that the bike just sits flatter for want of a better way of putting it especially during gear changes. Then to some harder dirt tracks and off the track even, the forks now give me a much smoother/plusher ride to the point where I noticed my speeds are much higher now on the same tracks. My rear shock is still stock but the massively improved forks have somehow made the rear feel better. Is that even possible? Anyhow I couldn't be happier with the Plex valves and to anyone who reads this just buy them! Cheers!
Salutations d'Australie aussi, Cudi! The soft part of the stock dual rate springs is too long, and the width of the Plex valves helps to reduce this. I don't know if this would have much effect on progressive springs... it would compress the softer part to some extent.
you should really talk these guys into getting into touch with procycle and seeing if they cant get them to be a us distributor of these guys. i suspect gettign them from ffrc will be pricey
if you can pull apart the rear shock you could order the parts from FFRC. but otherwise you would just need to find a decent suspension tuner locally. they will know how to revalve but very few will be able to do a custom piston.
Interesting results and I'm sure FFRC will have many customers after this impressive video. Was the motocross jump done with the stock fork dual-rate springs or heavier springs? I couldn't manage to get any information from the FFRC web-site? I'd like to know more about the plex, how they work,and also details on the rear suspension upgrade. However my big issue is that my bike is based in Sydney while FFRC is in QLD, and my old suspension definitely needs to be fixed/upgraded at both ends. Will FFRC provide other suspension specialists with their magic components?
just found the link frogzie.... goo.gl/ftLRHC i think their earlier jumps were stock springs and it was bottoming out a fair bit on the big 50 footer. then they went single rate and a bit stiffer.... but only because they were riding the poor bushpig so hard. as far as i know FFRC will be mailing the PLEX valves worldwide. for rear shocks, just mail it up to them i guess. or you can order the valve/piston to put in yourself maybe?
Thanks for the detailed response. Another option for upgrading my suspension would be, I guess, that you organize another adventure ride Brisbane/Sydney and that I join you on your way back, of course if you agree to wait for me: my DR can catch up with KTMs, but cannot with Betas!
i'd love to do that ride again but too busy nowadays, sigh... oh and in another comment today FFRC confirmed the big jumps in this vid were also done on the stock springs.
are you sure these valves add rebound adjustibility to the fork??? i thought these type of valves only control compression adjustment and then the oil level/ weight controls rebound........
from what i've seen their suspension costing is similar to everyone else, but the big advantage is that dyno and their design and manufacturing background - these guys make custom suspension parts for the rest of the suspension tuners here in australia and even some overseas. the PLEX valves are more complex than emulators and intiminators but will probably cost about the same... around US$185 or so.
As far as I know the Plex valves are still for sale and easy to drop in yourself, Gary. Rear shock? I'm not familiar with Melbourne suspension guys....
So, are these Plex Valves available for pre-SP46 models aswell or is there any half decent alternative? Edit: I'm interested because #1 I wonder if the forks got any upgrade ever and #2 over here in Europe import of the DR650 is discontinued since 2000 and getting hands on affordable SP46s is not that easy but I'd love to get and rebuild one of the older models.
Are there any US suspension shops that can do some similar mods? I new designed shock piston is a lot different than a re-valve and spring. Anyone can do the later. New designed piston- very few, maybe none here?
Awesome video as usual. I am thinking back to your Advrider thread "myth of the lightweight adventure bike" in terms of what you were trying to accomplish with this DR650. The obvious choice seemed like the 690, but I remember you weren't a fan based on the narrow gearbox and other factors. Your main point about the Drz400E as a platform was also the narrow gearbox. May I ask why you decided to start with the DR650 instead of the Drz400 given that the Drz400 would only potentially require wide ratio gears and perhaps a bore bump and 15T CS sprocket to get it to a similar level as the DR650? Is your DR650 now roughly comparable to a 690 in terms of usability?
for some reason i'm not fussed on the DRZ but it would be a very suitable candidate for many riders. i hate ktm 690s with a passion so wouldn't be the person to ask about a comparison. :D
+frogzie I seem to remember a wide ratio aftermarket gearbox made for the Drz for about 500USD. I wouldn't trust myself to install it personally, but I also wouldn't trust myself to rebuild my forks.
G'day, have you ever considered doing a review ride of an XR650? Im quite interested in buying one but Id like to know how it compares to a stock DR like your's was and you might disagree yourself but you seem like you would almost be a professional for this job. Cheers Ben
I am aware but there are plenty of people getting around on them. I had assumed (never good to do) that you may know someone with one and that you could borrow it or something similar. Thanks anyway though 👍
Not sure if you check the comments on these old vids but FFRC seemed to have ceased trading - any ideas what's happened? I just got a dr650 and you sold me on those Plex valves !
They were running flat out when I took my forks in for a service a few months back. I just checked their Facebook page and it says "Due to Unforseen Circumstances Full Force Racing Components has ceased trading until the end of February 2022. Apologies to all our customers. Watch this page for future announcements."
@@crosstrainingadventure ever thought of customising DR650SE to your specs for money? I’d happily buy a DR up in Queensland to get all the mods you did in your series happily compensate you and FFRC in labor and parts, Id just fly up and ride it back to Victoria. I haven’t the know how or tools to even attempt this shit. 😕
hello my friend! i have an xt660z tenere 2008 and some days before i replace the forks and the wheel with forks and wheel from wr426f now i have to change the springs with stiffer ones because tenere is way more heavy and i'm 100 kilos. but i don't know what springs i buy.. what i have to check ,calculate or consider before i buy???
I can't answer that, Yazan. It depends on so many factors. We did cover the range of possible mods from cheap to expensive in the previous suspension video. Google 'Plex valves" for more details.
as per other comments, it looks as though they work in a similar way... FFRC want to a dyno run on all the valves to get an idea of the comparison, includind DDCs.
well it will be interesting to see such a comparison. it is neat that those work with the stock fork oil and springs though given my weight and tendency to bring luggage i probably would have had to new springs atleast with those
just watching this video , and as the proud owner of a dr650 2019 model , i can honestly say that if this is the type of riding you are going to do ,then the dr is not the bike for you , spend a little more money and get a ktm .. to get the dr up there were it needs to be . you need to change the suspension , tyers , carby jetting , breathing in and out , front and rear sprockets , and that seat is a ball breaker . .iv put an american made after market sargent seat on my dr .. that all said and done as a 60 year old whos happy to just putt about from a to b . the stock standard dr is just right and at the right price
The only problem is the KTM costs close to twice as much, and then often you need to do update the suspension, scrap the tyres, remap the fuel injection, replace the exhaust, change the gearing to try and get around those narrow gear ratios, and scrap the ball breaking seat... mostly the same updates as a DR and then how much has the orange bike cost?
My (short) experience with the Plex valves... My weight is around 75 kg without gears. My DR650 is extensively used off-road, either on gnarly single tracks or faster fire trails; it has no long-range tank and no extra bling. My forks have single rate 0.46 kg/mm springs, along an after-market shock. I have never used Intimidators or Emulators so I can't compare the Plex valves performance against them. Nevertheless, without going into details, there is no question that the Plex valves do work and I'm pretty happy with them. When you are 80 kg or less, the budget DR's stock shock may be OK for most situations, provided you adjust the sag and set the compression settings adequately. However the non-adjustable forks will never be acceptable. Way too soft. Small jump will make it bottom out and on-road braking can be hair-raising. The Plex valves have a definite advantage over other front-end systems since they procure a simple, decent suspension upgrade that is relatively inexpensive and dead easy to install yourself. No needs to remove the forks from the bike, just drop the valves in, add the recommended amount of (stock) oil, keep the original springs or upgrade them, and that's it. Of course, if you are heavier or more performance demanding, a shock upgrade will be beneficial as well.
great to hear it's working out frogzie. i have used emulators before and they certainly help but i think the plex valves are another step or three up. the stock forks are so bad anything is going to be an improvement lol!
Question. Now I won't be off-roading the DR like you have in the video. I'll just be riding it down a 13 mile hard dirt road, with a few pot holes and during rain it will be wet. The other half will be street riding on asphalt. Should I think about adjusting the suspension like you recommend? or just leave it alone stock. I just sat on on today, Thursday May 7th, 2020 I am only 5'6, and I was tip toeing with the kick stand up. The dealer said he can lower the suspension 1 3/4 inches. Hopefully this will allow me to stand up using one leg when I stop at lights and stop signs. Do you have any other recommendations I might be able to do with this bike to lower it if this doesn't work? I mean I understand i'm not going to be able to place both feet to the ground while sitting on this bike, but can I do anything else if this doesn't work?
generally we never give out personal recommendations on suspension, jason. but suffice to say the more expensive mods are probably more for aggressive and/or heavy riders. check out our video on our cross training enduro channel: bike setup for shorter riders.
@@crosstrainingadventureSir, I can not find the video you recommended I watch. Bike setup for shorter people, can you send it to me through here. I checked all your videos on your site and couldn't find it.
Ok so I got my DR and put a lowering link on it and had to shorten the kick stand, after the lowering link was set the kickstand was long. The seat is absolutely killing my butt when I ride it over 20 minutes. Think I'm going to get a custom seat made.
FFRC have another DR customer righty here just a waitin to get my dirty mittens on one of them there PLEX valves! Adventure Oz not sure who the missus is going to be more angry at? Me or you? 😂
wasn't expecting so many questions about them.... i thought FFRC already had a web page up but it was only just put up a few hours ago apparently: goo.gl/ftLRHC
some guys do that flavio, but we are looking at easier modifications in this series
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that is because you have a grate guy there to play with your suspension, here, its more reliable to put a MX one. lol but i got it, its cool to see the series, im enjoying a lot! keep up the grate work!
So Barry, compare the DR 650 after the mods you've outlined to a KTM 640 ADV -- obviously, they both have strengths and weaknesses but have similar purposes. Dave Darcy from MAD TV is a big fan of KTM, as you know, but the DR was used by Nugget to cross the Simpson (with some structural failures). Anyway, what are your thoughts?
Do you have a grand total of the upgrades costs or of each segment - carb, air box, suspension, etc? As you said, the bike is such a relative bargain that upgrades still keep the price well below the more exotic brands. Thanks for you information. And what year is the oldest that these mods would be viable? Maybe add it to the description of the video?
Hey Oz l love the videos you make. Are those plex valves able to be installed without removing forks and stock oil? Also what's you favorite off road tires
@@crosstrainingadventure so I bought these valves shortly after I posted that comment 3 years ago. thousands of miles in them now and I can say without a doubt they transform the bike. 10/10 must have.
Hi Toby, We are currently working on getting a batch available for sale, which should be available late December early January. We will update the pre-orders on the site as soon as we have a definite despatch date. If you get a chance we will post all updates through our newsletter on our web site and also on our facebook page. Feel free to get in touch to discuss options for your bike, with regards to how they will be valved.
That's awesome news, I've tried everything else on the market so very interested to check these out. Thanks for the response I'm going to follow this closely.....if they are had as good as the video describes I imagine most DR owners would pay almost anything for a good solution. Cheers
Yes he drones on a bit, but he gave my back garden a good review (chilliwack) so all is forgiven! I wish I'd known you were heading out this way I would have joined your clinic. McNutt (blue mountain) is our local riding area, its holy ground as far as I'm concerned.....there are tons of great people and places to ride here, hope you plan another trip in the future
They mail the Plex valves internationally, Jack. Probably cheaper than the rest with the currency conversion too. I don't know if they mail out the upgraded shock parts though...
Hi mate DR SOUS,love your vids mate have moded my DR650 somewhat similar to what you guys have done.Question.. are we gonna see these plex valves in new zealand anytime soon or can I order them direct from FFRC.Again thanks for the awesome vids mate cheers:)
i suspect they'll just ship the plex valves worldwide dr sous but worth emailing them to check.... the old bushpig scrubs up pretty well with some basic mods hey?
for the same prize of the plex valves ive seen lots of RMZ450 showa upside down forks with triple clamps that fit plug n play on the DR used on ebay so that seems to be the better deal for me... considering i have to pay 23,5% taxes on the product and the shipping from australia to europe....
FFRC PLEX VALVES UPDATE The creators of Plex Valves sold the FFRC business. We picked up new Plex Valves for our latest DR650s and unfortunately they just don't seem to work they way they used to as the new owners have tweaked them. The forks are quite harsh and lost all the 'plushness'.
We tried 2.5W fork oil with no success. I took them back to FFRC for adjustment but they was a small improvement but still harsh on bumps. I eventually just swapped to a a pair of RMX250 forks.
It might be worth trying the Intiminators or Cogent DDC in the USA or DXF Parts in Australia in the meantime. It seems FFRC has changed yet again to new owners...
COMPLETE LIST OF DR650 PROJECT VIDS!
Introduction to the DR650 ruclips.net/video/58vB-5urcJI/видео.html
Power mods overview ruclips.net/video/z7GcNdlDwdk/видео.html
Transforming the carburetor ruclips.net/video/aN1aU0G4YQE/видео.html
GSXR exhaust mod ruclips.net/video/Em6SzMTF5SY/видео.html
DR650 known issues ruclips.net/video/rSNBa63UWx8/видео.html
Basic suspension mods ruclips.net/video/aTYAwIBX9aQ/видео.html
Protection for the DR ruclips.net/video/NQcXfOJsLSM/видео.html
Ergos: pegs, bars & seats ruclips.net/video/geLR5u8sMhI/видео.html
Weight reduction ruclips.net/video/h6fl-GWdURk/видео.html
Best suspension mods ruclips.net/video/sGdLm9sXzdo/видео.html
Fixing noisy starter motors ruclips.net/video/6P4n80FJP18/видео.html
Headlight upgrades ruclips.net/video/G28GoyWp6LI/видео.html
Steg Pegz review ruclips.net/video/SnI_pfkuQsg/видео.html
How do these compare to the Cogent or Ricor mods on procycle.us ? Any Idea?
I haven't seen a direct comparison, Rob. But I do know there was exhaustive testing on a $30,000 suspension dyno to get them just right. And there's no need to do any extra work, just drop them in. The old intimanators required taking the forks apart and modifying them. The latest versions still need heavier fork oil to make them work properly... but the FFRC Plex valves are designed to work with the stock fork oil.
@@crosstrainingadventure I have been trying to find more information on the flex valve to order them but I have no luck with the provided link. I am in the US.
Sorry wrong pm but yes suspension is tricky lv been to 3 different mobs and the best lv found so far was shock treatment at wallacia out of Sydney and now back to the AC Tig dude lol
I haven't done much to the forks just springs the bike is like about 250 kgs loaded up so it doesn't deflect easily and l replaced the rear shock with a Elka complete shock with external preload adjustment it works very well and high and low speed compression on the fly adjustment is very handy the external preload adjustment lost its hydraulic pressure but l can still adjust it with tools it's done over twenty thousand ks and hasn't missed a beat worth every cent of 1100 hundred dollars it cost (cape York,Tanami,gt central D, Simpson , golf country etc )
I have never seen any DR hit that Kind Of Jump. Ever. My hats off to you and FFRC.
a certain amount of mental instability helps too, gladius lol
@@crosstrainingadventure Clearing the jump right is the trick,land on the downslope and the bike doesnt kill itself,land short or way long and impact goes way up.
Sam at FFRC was so much help.
Purchased plex valve and springs for my weight and riding.
Sam talked me through what he recommended. He Got the shock sorted.
(Spring,plex valve) for me ridiculously quickly.
I did a full rebuild on the fork including plex valves and heavier springs,seals and bushings
All back on the bike and took it for a spirited lap through a local fire trail today......
Transformed.
Different bike,cannot believe the difference it has made.
Thank you for recommending FFRC
I just got on a DR650 off road for the first time in Texas, and yeah they left much to be desired! Still... the power and feel of the DR was addictive, even with most things stock! I think I'll be doing a DR 650 project within the next year, and try to copy everything you've done to yours... then I'll see if I can finally wheelie like you! Also, the drone shots are fantastic!
glad you liked it tyler, and also we can natter about it more indepth if you like. we obviously went overboard with this but there are very budget ways of doing the important mods of course!
ADVENTURE OZ You and Tyler aka EveRide were huge motivations for me getting another DR again after 23 years. Thx for all your knowledge and vids! I will be ordering some of these plexes from FFRC 😀 and want to see Tyler thrash a DR soon.
that will make for some great footage, a DR in the deserts and canyons of utah and his trusty drone.....
You must be an inspiration to all DR owners I feel.
Talking about timing. Wow! I have not watched one of these in weeks and typed in "Adventure oz" to see if there were any DR650 related clips I had missed.
Suspension is the last thing neglected on my bike, but it has not seen real rough off-road yet just two track and gravel roads.
I'm about done modding the DR, mostly just ergonomics, carb mods, hand guards and a larger fuel tank at this point.
And I want to thank you guys for the epic BST magic tricks. After 3 iterations, the shortened and tapered stock needle works like dark-magic. My ass says its 20% more power, though its likely 3hp, the throttle response and over all change in power delivery is astounding! There will be no pumper carb on this bike. :)
great to hear justin, its around a 10% increase with all the mods which feels like a lot to the bum dyno :)
Justin J G'day Justin. I just installed the procycle jet kit a few days ago. I have a staintune exhaust so I put in the 155 main, drilled the second hole in the slide, put in the new needle and air fuel mixture screw. I didn't follow the instructions for the airbox mod, instead I drilled a 2 inch circle (51 mill) as per the adventure Oz video. Mate what a difference! Stock gearing and in first it just throws the front wheel in the air so bloody fast I almost flipped it because I wasn't expecting such a difference! I honestly couldn't be happier! Why anyone would spend the extra coin on a pumper carb I'll never know. It runs smooth and without any flat spots.
Wow... Just, Wow! Never thought I'd see the bush pig fly like that. So is that what that old saying means, "when pigs fly"? I think so!
Great review on the FFRC plex valves. I cannot wait to order these and fix the noodle like suspension on my DR
Very impressive… an upgrade needed for everyone who owns a DR650😎
The riding is as impressive as the bike!
I never get sick of seing that DR sail through the atmosphere .. it defies the laws of DR physics
the suspensions are important. but that rider.... "is more important than anything else"... WOW
Best regards
Medel
No doubt!
It’s Toby Price
@@ronanrogers4127 Oh. I knew it was someone special.
Once again .... Well done, Barry! Like others, I could only hope that Suzuki would listen in on these conversations.
Wow that looks like a nice option for suspension upgrade on the DR650.
it will be interesting to see how other DR650 owners feel about the same upgrades, ryan. i've heard the first two raving about it but like anything you want to have a good sized sample group all raving about it before you can say it's the ants pants. :)
Epic video. Even with the suspension upgrades, those riders are nuts ;)
i just kept hoping the frame would be okay lol
@@crosstrainingadventure how does the frame hold up to the abuse if rough riding? Do you find you need to strengthen it up in any areas? Ive just bought a new Dr and will be looking to do suspension up grades too. I'd be thinking frame might start cracking in areas though. Also does any these upgrades give more height of suspension and vest ways to make seat height higher? Im reasonably tall and used to XR600R size height which I like Dr are fairly small in comparison. Cheers from NZ
hahaha wow!! Seeing that DR fly over Parklands..... so cool!!
awesome quality and progression with your videos! always gets me hyped on finding a dr and mimicking your build.
I've been looking at DR upgrades, and it seems like a number of the best companies are in Oz. The bike must suit the terrain.
I got PLEX valves for my DR, kept the stock progressive springs. It's world of difference especially when braking. Here's a tip though, remember which way your springs came out if you are using progressive springs. If you put one in upside down it will be wonky
could u make a tutorial vid on putting another shrimp on the barbie?
how did i miss that topic?!!? shame on me.....
That DR is a beast.........
yes, i always approach her with great caution and respect to see if she will accept me or attack lol
bring bacon in the morning to distract her, i heard that works some times.
Coffee and bacon. Keeps the fangs from coming out.
Wish I had a good suspension shop near by. Looks like a valuable resource.
most shops will let you mail your forks and shock in, then mail or courier them back. :)
Did the cogent ddc/springs/oil on the front. Very happy.
😎👍
Expert vid-editing!
That is freaking incredible!! Really?, A 60 footer on a DR? I just sent FFRC an email to see if they could work that kind of magic on my DR 350's suspension. Great video. Thanks for the update. Enjoy the ride.
I have a 1998 350 SE that could definitely use this upgrade. (not that I have those riding skills and would never attempt any of those jumps)
i hope they'd develop these plex valves for all bikes with rod forks but given the time needed i suspect they'd focus on the most popular bikes first... but if they are the same diameter forks you may be able to just drop these in. maybe....?
Awesome vid as always,think I just decided on my next upgrade.cheers from NZ:)
I've been two routes with DR650 suspension. One DR I had used a DRZ250 front fork (fits right in but uses smaller front disc and DRZ400 rear shock which required machining on the bottom fit the DR650. This was an okay set up but my second set up was excellent. A KTM WP front fork and triple clamp (same size steering bearings but needs a spacer) and a re-valved and sprung mid 90's KTM rear Ohlins shock (Cost about $150 US plus 400AUD for the Ohlins servicing). This set up also required a KTM front axle and wheel which adds to the costs. If I went another DR I'd go similar mods as described on the video to keep costs and modifications to a minimum. The DR requires KTM money to make it into a KTM.
it's fun messing around with forks if you like tinkering, hey bing O? i messed around with some old RM250 on a DR650 a few years ago but it is a fair bit of messing around. otherwise i'd say these plex valves look like a good value option.... which could even be sold separate to the bike if you really wanted to get most of your money back. same with intiminators too although you'd probably change the fork oil back to 5w.
Wow is that out at parklands MX at kenilworth? I go to that track all the time.
yep, FFRC do a lot of their testing and field work out there
im planning on getting a DR soon. I might have to give them a shout and see if they can ship the parts to the US. :)
Great vid sir!
i think they'll be accepting pre orders soon, they are just doing some final tweaks and should be available late dec or early next year....
damn son, I did a 30' table on the Dr completely stock and it was the sketchiest thing I've ever done in my life. that 60' table looks like it didn't even phase it. I guess I got no choice but to get them things for my bike.
Hay I'm ready for some final stuff , fully tested ready to install by a highly trained in every way except spilling the oil and it all coms sliding out the tubes . .. tanks & tanks & thanks
I enjoyed your nice videos man. You are the best!!!
thanks ediber... unfortunately i won't be posting much on this channel now i'm focusing on the enduro riding, but i'm posting lots of vids on the enduro channel. :) ruclips.net/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/видео.html
Great video and insanely awesome results. Wish they had a system for the DRZ400.
Yeah they look the goods just hope my welding is worthy of them
Stunning!
nice, the bush pig is becoming a ballerina.... so light and nimble on its feet :-)
if you can squeeze a rhino into a tutu, i agree lol
on a serious note...... after all these sorts of mods, what is it like to ride on the streets? I want something a little more off road that a V-Strom but it will be my daily commuter..... would the DR after all this work be suitable in your opinion?
i think the stock DR suspension is adequate for plodding around the streets but the moment you push it hard or get into a panic situation it can turn nasty, especially with the front diving under brakes. the bit of road riding i've done it still has the plush feel of the stock setup at normal speeds but is way better when braking hard or riding aggressively.
excellent....... The answer I was hoping for :-)
IMO, 49mm Showa Dual Chambered forks off a 96-98 rm250/125. They should slide right into the triples. All you have to worry about is changing fork springs.
and making a caliper adapter plate to suit the stock brake rotor. i tried those forks once on a previous DR650.
edit:
plex valves will NOT fit on pre 1996 DRs.
Pay attention to this - I did not; read below... ;-)
my advice before ordering plex valves:
Disassemble your fork tubes and check out if the inner diameter decreases.
The plex valves are meant to be insert all the way down inside the fork tubes.
I run a DR650 SP42B from 1990 and unfortunatly the inner diamerter of the fork tubes decreases after 2cm by a few millimeters - plex valves stuck on the top of the fork tube instead of making all the way down.
Check out if there is such a transition in inner diameter at your fork tubes - very likely Suzuki has modified the forks over the years of DR production.
Despite the non-fitting plex valves on my DR - much appreciate to this channel; love your videos due they are a great help to me as a rookie.
all the best!
Bummer! Did FFRC say they fit pre-1996 models? If so they better change that info by the sounds of it...
@@crosstrainingadventure Have not find any spec limitation on the FFRC page yet.
Still waiting for a response on my message and photos of the situation I`ve send to FFRC.
Will keep ya update.
alright - finally found an advice on the FFRC-page...directly below the headline: "suits 96 - current models"
my bad at all - in Germany we used to say: "who is able to read has a clear advantage"
@@crosstrainingadventure hello :) i try to find a good dr in my area. Today i tried one (year 1992 and i read the front fork is 41mm instead of from 1996 models 43mm fork ) Should i worry about the old ones, because of more flex ? What do you think :) Thanks if you answer.
Okay blokes, I had the plex valves pre ordered before the production version were ready for sale. FFRC sent them to me as soon as they were able so I've had them in for a couple or so months now. Stock springs, stock oil and plex valves inserted. Goes for ride and f&ck me!!! Fellas, just buy them! I'm 110 kg's (fat) with a 20 litre Acerbis tank fitted. I consider myself an average experienced rider and unless you are more like the bloke riding in this video, I don't think any of us DR650 riders need heavier fork springs, so try just the Plex valves first. Seriously just order yourself a set cause the bike handles so much better on road especially during braking and offroad it's the bees knees! Just do the mod you won't regret it I guarantee! 😊
i found it hard to believe the guys when they said i probably wouldn't need stiffer springs.... awesome front fork upgrade. :)
ADVENTURE OZ Yes it's an awesome upgrade alright! It's very true what you said about them being plush over the small stuff. The first thing I noticed when riding down the dirt road that I live on, was where have the corrugations gone? Then under braking, ahhh, suddenly I felt some confidence flow through me! 😂 Then I noticed that the bike just sits flatter for want of a better way of putting it especially during gear changes. Then to some harder dirt tracks and off the track even, the forks now give me a much smoother/plusher ride to the point where I noticed my speeds are much higher now on the same tracks. My rear shock is still stock but the massively improved forks have somehow made the rear feel better. Is that even possible? Anyhow I couldn't be happier with the Plex valves and to anyone who reads this just buy them! Cheers!
Great job mate! Amazing video! Do you know if the Plex Valves work with progressive hyperpro springs? Thanks in advance and greetings from France
Salutations d'Australie aussi, Cudi! The soft part of the stock dual rate springs is too long, and the width of the Plex valves helps to reduce this. I don't know if this would have much effect on progressive springs... it would compress the softer part to some extent.
@@crosstrainingadventure Thank you for your advice!
you should really talk these guys into getting into touch with procycle and seeing if they cant get them to be a us distributor of these guys. i suspect gettign them from ffrc will be pricey
if they box them small enough postage could be as cheap as AUD$5.....
I'm trying to see a video of your upgrade to rear suspension. What specifically did you do/install?
it ws discussed in this video
Sorry, it went right over my head. How would I go about getting custom revalve and piston in the US the way you do? Novice to ADV riding.
if you can pull apart the rear shock you could order the parts from FFRC. but otherwise you would just need to find a decent suspension tuner locally. they will know how to revalve but very few will be able to do a custom piston.
That looks bloody brilliant! Now pigs can fly too
and if they can whip it then maybe even backwards :)
Interesting results and I'm sure FFRC will have many customers after this impressive video. Was the motocross jump done with the stock fork dual-rate springs or heavier springs?
I couldn't manage to get any information from the FFRC web-site? I'd like to know more about the plex, how they work,and also details on the rear suspension upgrade. However my big issue is that my bike is based in Sydney while FFRC is in QLD, and my old suspension definitely needs to be fixed/upgraded at both ends. Will FFRC provide other suspension specialists with their magic components?
just found the link frogzie.... goo.gl/ftLRHC i think their earlier jumps were stock springs and it was bottoming out a fair bit on the big 50 footer. then they went single rate and a bit stiffer.... but only because they were riding the poor bushpig so hard. as far as i know FFRC will be mailing the PLEX valves worldwide. for rear shocks, just mail it up to them i guess. or you can order the valve/piston to put in yourself maybe?
Thanks for the detailed response.
Another option for upgrading my suspension would be, I guess, that you organize another adventure ride Brisbane/Sydney and that I join you on your way back, of course if you agree to wait for me: my DR can catch up with KTMs, but cannot with Betas!
i'd love to do that ride again but too busy nowadays, sigh... oh and in another comment today FFRC confirmed the big jumps in this vid were also done on the stock springs.
are you sure these valves add rebound adjustibility to the fork??? i thought these type of valves only control compression adjustment and then the oil level/ weight controls rebound........
you have to pull them out to do any tuning apparently.
do they have any idea on rough costings for the full upgrade yet? (ie, plex valves and springs upfront and a custom piston and revalve in the rear)
from what i've seen their suspension costing is similar to everyone else, but the big advantage is that dyno and their design and manufacturing background - these guys make custom suspension parts for the rest of the suspension tuners here in australia and even some overseas. the PLEX valves are more complex than emulators and intiminators but will probably cost about the same... around US$185 or so.
hello are there any places in melbourne that can do these suspension mods that you know of?. Great video thanks
As far as I know the Plex valves are still for sale and easy to drop in yourself, Gary. Rear shock? I'm not familiar with Melbourne suspension guys....
Do the leopard skin riding pants come with these kits ??
Yes but the retailer usually demands sexual favours in exchange... 😢
looks great, how much I couldn't see it listed on the webpage? also brilliant job on the camera work looks great.
Just found a previous comment, 200 approx is that for both? none the less that's reasonable to fix the DRs front end, looks great sign me up!
only sold as pairs of course... i found the link, it looks like they are taking pre-orders but won't be mailing out until january.
Do they ship to the US?
So, are these Plex Valves available for pre-SP46 models aswell or is there any half decent alternative?
Edit:
I'm interested because #1 I wonder if the forks got any upgrade ever and #2 over here in Europe import of the DR650 is discontinued since 2000 and getting hands on affordable SP46s is not that easy but I'd love to get and rebuild one of the older models.
How much did the ground shake when it landed? Was it measured on a rictor scale?
🤣
2 questions , how much to get a customized valve and piston for the rear shock? and how much for the plex valve for the front?
you would have to ask FFRC, erik. i put a link to their website at the end.
These guys really made a pig fly. Who else can say something like that lol amazing
Are we ever going to see these make it to production???
happened a month or two after this vid came out
I followed the like in the description and it led to the same page as when the video came out. I found the page where they're for sale thanks. :)
Are there any US suspension shops that can do some similar mods? I new designed shock piston is a lot different than a re-valve and spring. Anyone can do the later. New designed piston- very few, maybe none here?
What is the cost for the upgrade for cheap Adventurer bike being the bush pig?
Hi. Those valves are only available for dr 650 or older dr 600 also? What about Yamaha XT 350?? Cheers
You would need to check their website but I think it's just 1996+ DR650 at the moment.
CROSS TRAINING ADVENTURE RIDING thank you for reply👍
This video should have been called "When PIGS Fly" :)
next vid james will whip it so hard we can say pigs fly backward :)
Hi they look great just wondering where about's I can buy these from??.Cheers dirt dog
the link was in the middle of the vid, at the end, and in the video description too
Awesome video as usual.
I am thinking back to your Advrider thread "myth of the lightweight adventure bike" in terms of what you were trying to accomplish with this DR650.
The obvious choice seemed like the 690, but I remember you weren't a fan based on the narrow gearbox and other factors. Your main point about the Drz400E as a platform was also the narrow gearbox.
May I ask why you decided to start with the DR650 instead of the Drz400 given that the Drz400 would only potentially require wide ratio gears and perhaps a bore bump and 15T CS sprocket to get it to a similar level as the DR650?
Is your DR650 now roughly comparable to a 690 in terms of usability?
for some reason i'm not fussed on the DRZ but it would be a very suitable candidate for many riders. i hate ktm 690s with a passion so wouldn't be the person to ask about a comparison. :D
JeepersCreepers: "the Drz400 would only potentially require wide ratio gears" - How would you do that? Can't be that simple to fix, can it?
+frogzie
I seem to remember a wide ratio aftermarket gearbox made for the Drz for about 500USD.
I wouldn't trust myself to install it personally, but I also wouldn't trust myself to rebuild my forks.
Jeepers Creepers - I guess we both have a self-trust issue :)
G'day, have you ever considered doing a review ride of an XR650? Im quite interested in buying one but Id like to know how it compares to a stock DR like your's was and you might disagree yourself but you seem like you would almost be a professional for this job. Cheers
Ben
they haven't sold them here for years unfortunately ben :(
I am aware but there are plenty of people getting around on them. I had assumed (never good to do) that you may know someone with one and that you could borrow it or something similar. Thanks anyway though 👍
nice work! every try it with an fcr carb? the bike really opens up.
i couldn't pick much difference between the BST magic mods and a pumper carb actually, and the first one is about 90% cheaper too. :)
hmmm- maybe we can moto and do a race ;)
Not sure if you check the comments on these old vids but FFRC seemed to have ceased trading - any ideas what's happened? I just got a dr650 and you sold me on those Plex valves !
They were running flat out when I took my forks in for a service a few months back. I just checked their Facebook page and it says
"Due to Unforseen Circumstances Full Force Racing Components has ceased trading until the end of February 2022.
Apologies to all our customers.
Watch this page for future announcements."
Love your videos! Question, Can you put ktm WP front forks on them?
i can't remember max, we did list some of the common conversions in the suspension episode....
@@crosstrainingadventure Hello what is the exact model please, of DR 650 ?
Is FFRC still doing the suspension upgrade for the DR650SE with the fork swap?
I didn't know they were swapping forks... but I just got some Plex valves from them for my new DR650.
@@crosstrainingadventure sorry I thought they put the YZF 450 forks on the dr, when I no longer saw the fork gaiters on the dr I assumed that was why.
The gaiters were off as they were still experimenting with the stock forks a lot at that point.
@@crosstrainingadventure ever thought of customising DR650SE to your specs for money?
I’d happily buy a DR up in Queensland to get all the mods you did in your series happily compensate you and FFRC in labor and parts, Id just fly up and ride it back to Victoria. I haven’t the know how or tools to even attempt this shit. 😕
Maybe try Ellaspede then FFRC for the suspension? Ellaspede are probably expensive though, they customise bikes for the hipster crowd.
hello my friend!
i have an xt660z tenere 2008 and some days before i replace the forks and the wheel with forks and wheel from wr426f
now i have to change the springs with stiffer ones because tenere is way more heavy and i'm 100 kilos.
but i don't know what springs i buy..
what i have to check ,calculate or consider before i buy???
So, if I want to do this upgrade should I only order those plex valves and nothing else?
And are those for front and rear suspension or only rear?
I can't answer that, Yazan. It depends on so many factors. We did cover the range of possible mods from cheap to expensive in the previous suspension video. Google 'Plex valves" for more details.
There links to those vids in this vid....
i have to wonder how these compare to the cogent ddc's . I really quite like mine
as per other comments, it looks as though they work in a similar way... FFRC want to a dyno run on all the valves to get an idea of the comparison, includind DDCs.
well it will be interesting to see such a comparison. it is neat that those work with the stock fork oil and springs though given my weight and tendency to bring luggage i probably would have had to new springs atleast with those
just watching this video , and as the proud owner of a dr650 2019 model , i can honestly say that if this is the type of riding you are going to do ,then the dr is not the bike for you , spend a little more money and get a ktm .. to get the dr up there were it needs to be . you need to change the suspension , tyers , carby jetting , breathing in and out , front and rear sprockets , and that seat is a ball breaker . .iv put an american made after market sargent seat on my dr .. that all said and done as a 60 year old whos happy to just putt about from a to b . the stock standard dr is just right and at the right price
The only problem is the KTM costs close to twice as much, and then often you need to do update the suspension, scrap the tyres, remap the fuel injection, replace the exhaust, change the gearing to try and get around those narrow gear ratios, and scrap the ball breaking seat... mostly the same updates as a DR and then how much has the orange bike cost?
Do they ship it internationally and would it be a kit that a customer could fit ?
I did this vid a few years back and they did back tehn, I'm sure their website will advise... or you can email them
DOES "FFRC" HAVE A FRONT FORK
EMULATOR OR INTIMINATOR MOD
FOR THE BMW F700/800GS SERIES ?
My (short) experience with the Plex valves...
My weight is around 75 kg without gears. My DR650 is extensively used off-road, either on gnarly single tracks or faster fire trails; it has no long-range tank and no extra bling. My forks have single rate 0.46 kg/mm springs, along an after-market shock.
I have never used Intimidators or Emulators so I can't compare the Plex valves performance against them. Nevertheless, without going into details, there is no question that the Plex valves do work and I'm pretty happy with them.
When you are 80 kg or less, the budget DR's stock shock may be OK for most situations, provided you adjust the sag and set the compression settings adequately. However the non-adjustable forks will never be acceptable. Way too soft. Small jump will make it bottom out and on-road braking can be hair-raising.
The Plex valves have a definite advantage over other front-end systems since they procure a simple, decent suspension upgrade that is relatively inexpensive and dead easy to install yourself. No needs to remove the forks from the bike, just drop the valves in, add the recommended amount of (stock) oil, keep the original springs or upgrade them, and that's it.
Of course, if you are heavier or more performance demanding, a shock upgrade will be beneficial as well.
great to hear it's working out frogzie. i have used emulators before and they certainly help but i think the plex valves are another step or three up. the stock forks are so bad anything is going to be an improvement lol!
How about offering the same for a BMW F650GS twin? They have simple rod suspension.
Question. Now I won't be off-roading the DR like you have in the video. I'll just be riding it down a 13 mile hard dirt road, with a few pot holes and during rain it will be wet. The other half will be street riding on asphalt. Should I think about adjusting the suspension like you recommend? or just leave it alone stock. I just sat on on today, Thursday May 7th, 2020 I am only 5'6, and I was tip toeing with the kick stand up. The dealer said he can lower the suspension 1 3/4 inches. Hopefully this will allow me to stand up using one leg when I stop at lights and stop signs. Do you have any other recommendations I might be able to do with this bike to lower it if this doesn't work? I mean I understand i'm not going to be able to place both feet to the ground while sitting on this bike, but can I do anything else if this doesn't work?
generally we never give out personal recommendations on suspension, jason. but suffice to say the more expensive mods are probably more for aggressive and/or heavy riders. check out our video on our cross training enduro channel: bike setup for shorter riders.
@@crosstrainingadventure Thanks for the info.
@@crosstrainingadventureSir, I can not find the video you recommended I watch. Bike setup for shorter people, can you send it to me through here. I checked all your videos on your site and couldn't find it.
Ok so I got my DR and put a lowering link on it and had to shorten the kick stand, after the lowering link was set the kickstand was long. The seat is absolutely killing my butt when I ride it over 20 minutes. Think I'm going to get a custom seat made.
Hello, whats the model of DR 650 in the video, whose year ?
thanks
I think it was a 2016 model... quite an old vid now so I'm not sure.
We hat a fun bike 😁
FFRC have another DR customer righty here just a waitin to get my dirty mittens on one of them there PLEX valves! Adventure Oz not sure who the missus is going to be more angry at? Me or you? 😂
wasn't expecting so many questions about them.... i thought FFRC already had a web page up but it was only just put up a few hours ago apparently: goo.gl/ftLRHC
So with this suspension, would the bike handle better or worse on the highway?
that would depend on at least a dozen different factors...
what about changing the entire front fork? from a RM or something like that
some guys do that flavio, but we are looking at easier modifications in this series
that is because you have a grate guy there to play with your suspension, here, its more reliable to put a MX one. lol but i got it, its cool to see the series, im enjoying a lot!
keep up the grate work!
Can you please list the website and the parts that you mentioned in this video? I would like to purchase the parts in order to upgrade the suspension.
See the pinned first comment
So Barry, compare the DR 650 after the mods you've outlined to a KTM 640 ADV -- obviously, they both have strengths and weaknesses but have similar purposes. Dave Darcy from MAD TV is a big fan of KTM, as you know, but the DR was used by Nugget to cross the Simpson (with some structural failures). Anyway, what are your thoughts?
haven't ridden a 640 enough to comment.... definitely a far better bike stock though before mods.
Do you have a grand total of the upgrades costs or of each segment - carb, air box, suspension, etc? As you said, the bike is such a relative bargain that upgrades still keep the price well below the more exotic brands. Thanks for you information. And what year is the oldest that these mods would be viable? Maybe add it to the description of the video?
Hey Oz l love the videos you make. Are those plex valves able to be installed without removing forks and stock oil? Also what's you favorite off road tires
as explained in the vid, yep. no favourite tyres really.
Where can I get a rider upgrade to one of those guys?
lol we still aren't up to the level of james (doing the 50 footer) but this is how we got started.... ruclips.net/video/JMWs7Y5gLdA/видео.html
I know I didn't just see my motorcycle get thrown over a tabletop like it was some 250 dirt bike. Holy S***
CGI can do amazing things nowadays lol
@@crosstrainingadventure so I bought these valves shortly after I posted that comment 3 years ago. thousands of miles in them now and I can say without a doubt they transform the bike. 10/10 must have.
are those valves available to purchase? I couldnt find them on the FFRC site
just rang them toby, here's the link: goo.gl/ftLRHC
Hi Toby, We are currently working on getting a batch available for sale, which should be available late December early January. We will update the pre-orders on the site as soon as we have a definite despatch date. If you get a chance we will post all updates through our newsletter on our web site and also on our facebook page. Feel free to get in touch to discuss options for your bike, with regards to how they will be valved.
That's awesome news, I've tried everything else on the market so very interested to check these out. Thanks for the response I'm going to follow this closely.....if they are had as good as the video describes I imagine most DR owners would pay almost anything for a good solution.
Cheers
oh i wouldn't trust the guy in the video, he rabbits on about anything just to get attention and can't be trusted lol
Yes he drones on a bit, but he gave my back garden a good review (chilliwack) so all is forgiven!
I wish I'd known you were heading out this way I would have joined your clinic. McNutt (blue mountain) is our local riding area, its holy ground as far as I'm concerned.....there are tons of great people and places to ride here, hope you plan another trip in the future
Plex valve and rear shock upgrade available in the US?
They mail the Plex valves internationally, Jack. Probably cheaper than the rest with the currency conversion too. I don't know if they mail out the upgraded shock parts though...
So how much do FFRC charge for a suspension upgrade on a DR650?..
not sure you'd have to ask them and detail what level of upgrade you were chasing... a few variables involved.
Just out of curiosity how much money did you throw at it to get the suspension up to par?
plex valves in the forks, AUD$230.
stiffer rear shock & valving, around AUD$400.
Not bad
hey, so what would be equivalent mod for the rear suspension?
it was in this vid
Hi mate DR SOUS,love your vids mate have moded my DR650 somewhat similar to what you guys have done.Question.. are we gonna see these plex valves in new zealand anytime soon or can I order them direct from FFRC.Again thanks for the awesome vids mate cheers:)
i suspect they'll just ship the plex valves worldwide dr sous but worth emailing them to check.... the old bushpig scrubs up pretty well with some basic mods hey?
Cool will flick them an email,yeah love the DR great bike after a few mods.Thx for the reply and for the great vids mate,cheers.
Does anyone know if there is a kit that has everything your need to do this ? @crosstrainingadventure
for the same prize of the plex valves ive seen lots of RMZ450 showa upside down forks with triple clamps that fit plug n play on the DR used on ebay so that seems to be the better deal for me... considering i have to pay 23,5% taxes on the product and the shipping from australia to europe....
other companies have offerings similar to the plex valves here in australia, not sure of their names
I WANT TO OERDER som dr goodi parts but cant find them in the shop
click on the ffrc link in the vid, it explains everything.... one in the middle of the vid and one at the end
okej ty
As a self confessed suspension $lut, this vid put some lead in my pencil.
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What is the techno song playing in the backround mate????????
german guy called 'dolby' does heaps of non copyright music.... can't remember the name, maybe 'clockworks' or 'round 4' i think?
i usually acknowledge all artists but forgot to on this vid doh!
thank you very much!!! great bike btw!
Do you make these for the KLR650?
I don't think they do yet, Andrew.
@@crosstrainingadventure bugger! Big market
Anyway to get these plex valves in canada?
The website says they post internationally, Jeremy.
Add the link for the valves please!
? it's in the vid twice already then the video description as well.
don't know how I missed that -_-
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So are these upgrades available for everyone now?
As far as I know FFRC Plex Valves are still for sale. If they still have a workshop they would do rear shocks too.
nice