4 Most Effective DR650 Performance Modifications

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @SKIDSnSTUFF
    @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +24

    Have linked a few videos in the description about parts mentioned in this video. Great to hear these tips helping crew out. Cheers.

    • @jw8556
      @jw8556 Год назад +2

      Hey man great vid/blog have done all l can to my dr now looking to a KTM 890 love your style on you desert sled WA by the looks of wave rock nice work cheers

    • @machupikachu1085
      @machupikachu1085 Год назад

      Man, do you have some SERIOUS riding skills! I was nervous just watching some of that. I guess it's time for me to step up my game. Thanks for the inspiration.
      Cheers!

  • @WildBORProductions
    @WildBORProductions 2 года назад +33

    90% rider and 10% bike!
    DR 650 is a great platform for all from stock commuter to harder single track! I rode mine up some of the gnarliest hills in the Rocky Mountains that most ppl wouldn’t take a trials bike on!
    Point is this bike can be made into a very capable bike for any environment!
    Keep up the great vids!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      It's a handy dandy bit a kit for sure. Keep shredding Barry

    • @superwag634
      @superwag634 Год назад +4

      It’s definitely 90% rider. But some people need to compensate for their distinct lack of skill and time on bike. I used to ride with an old devil who was on an old xr250. He would leave guys on KTM500excs in his dust. The guy had been riding for 40 years literally it was his only hobby. He used to have his standard xr250 on the back of his Ute and after our job finishes at 4pm, he’d be off to the local paddock 2-3 times every week. I never met anyone so into dirt bikes before and I had no hope in hell of keeping up with him even on my tt600 with ohlins suspension 😂

  • @tonygantt4830
    @tonygantt4830 4 месяца назад +5

    I'm buying my first DR650 this week and have watched tons of videos on the initial setup work. Your step-by-step "mod tier" approach was by far the clearest to understand. Thank you!

    • @andy3d1
      @andy3d1 4 месяца назад +1

      I'm also getting one! this video is great

  • @T30-z5w
    @T30-z5w Год назад +11

    I had a DR. Put 55,000 miles on it. I spent about $2,000 USD on mods to make it more capable. Some mods were worth it others not so much. I really liked the bike. Ended up getting a new KTM690 in 2016 and had to mod the suspension on that too. But in the end I like the KTM690 better, but it’s expensive. However lately I’ve seen several pre-2019 690 used models for sale for not much more than a DR. I can’t understand why people need ride modes on a dual sport bike. I’m fine with just phenomenal horsepower and ABS which is what the pre-2019s offer.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      that sounds like the models to grab it ya hfta go orange for sure

    • @mynickisalreadytaken
      @mynickisalreadytaken 10 месяцев назад

      I feel that. But i can't lie, that the T7 is a modern bike that gets alot of my attention.

    • @bobclapper2672
      @bobclapper2672 7 месяцев назад +1

      Very Helpful , thanks buddy !

    • @JoseppeM
      @JoseppeM 7 месяцев назад

      I would prefer fly by wire, no cables to mess with. Don't need ride modes though.

  • @eugenemcshane14
    @eugenemcshane14 Год назад +2

    Jock ({Perth Hills 2023) . Congrats , on your tips/ sensible achievable upgrades . The DR has many fans and not all of us can justify $30 k for a Ducati Dirt Bike or KTM etc . Solid advice , straight to the point and honest, plus good ride clips. As the actress said ( to the Bishop) "Keep It Up"....Ha!! ..I have subscribed...no brainer !!!!

  • @jarrodleis4046
    @jarrodleis4046 Год назад +9

    This is probably the best most sensible list of mods I have seen on the DR. I agree with pretty much everything you have to say in this video. I don’t say that very often! While I have my forks and shock revalved and a new rear spring if I were going to do another bike on the cheap I might just try the 10w oil in the rear shock and the extra preload on the front. I think that would be the ultimate $20 fix for the DR suspension.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      Yeh the Dr like a bit of the Keep It Simple Stupid treatment

    • @boodasias563
      @boodasias563 Год назад +1

      How do you go about revalving the stock rear fork? If I buy the "Gold valve" from procycle does that include everything I need without having to drill anything out? I looked at the instructions included and now I'm honestly more confused than when I started looking into the revalve.

    • @andrewstambaugh240
      @andrewstambaugh240 Год назад +3

      ​@@boodasias563 You could make life easier by buying a rebuilt shock with the gold valve already installed.
      If not, did you buy just the valving part or did you buy the whole racetech shaft and end seal? If you can do fork rebuilds, I think a shock rebuild is only slightly more difficult. it is much more critical that you bleed and get all the air out of the shock.
      (optional) A vacuum pump. You can just outgas the oil but it makes filling the shock a breeze and produces better results. If filing this way you will need adapters to connect to your shock.
      *Top tip discovered by me: Where can I get an adapter? Does that clicker thread seem familiar? Have you seen it somewhere before?*
      Yes, you have. *It's the same threads as the filter screen/nozzle on your bathroom & kitchen sink: 15/16-27 male.* Something like an Ace hardware should have an adapter that converts that to hose or pipe threads (or you can buy a brass one for soldering to). From there, I recommend pushlock/push-to-connect fittings, but use whatever you want for vac lines. The clicker uses seals in the bore. Rather than trying to do that, I opted to seal to the outside face: I put a washer over the faucet fitting, then a thick o-ring, undersized to compress and seal the adapter to the face of the port.
      I had a rebuilt shock, so the clickers had already been pulled out before. That made things easy (once I figured out what threads that was)
      Here's the gist:
      Perhaps you can do it without pulling the clicker:
      loosen preload spring as much as possible. The ring on the shaft side is recessed (so spring pressure would keep it trapped), so push it toward the spring then slide it off. Off goes the spring.
      bleed pressure off the bladder (warning: don't just unscrew the stem. 160psi is a lot more than a tire! bleed it off and only remove the stem once it is bled down)
      (after bladder pressure removed!) remove dust seal and clip holding shaft seal/end cap on.
      push bladder cap in and remove it's retaining clip. Put a cap on the valve stem and use it to pull the bladder cap (can help by pushing the shock shaft in)
      With the bladder out, pull the shock shaft to remove it.
      clean out/de-muck
      reassembly:
      Put the shock shaft and end cap with retaining clips back in.
      Now this is where things diverge:
      No clicker removal method:
      fill with oil. pump and pump and pump (15min minimum) to try to get every possible bubble out.
      Now the next trick needs slight explaining: Ideally, you would have a fill port or the clicker pulled out. Shock fully pulled out/extended, you would put in the bladder and give it a little pressure (setting an air volume, similar to fork oil height). the excess oil would go out the bleeder. seal the bleeder it and pressurize the bladder to full pressure.
      But if that clicker has never been out and you want to avoid that, then *you must recreate that space for the air bladder to expand,* because the bladder is going to squish down/collapse to too small a volume when it is the plug sealing everything up. Just like an overfilled fork, that will make it harsh. So, you extend the shock, overfill with oil. Then push the shock shaft in a bit. Put the bladder in, with the goal of oil overflow to avoid air bubbles. cap it and retaining ring.
      Now pressurize the bladder to a low pressure ~5psi. The goal is to recreate a full & extended shock, with ~no pressure built up but ~5psi in the air bladder. Grab the shock shaft, and at full extent, you should just barely feel the pressure as you push it in slightly. Now you can fill to the desired psi (120-160psi), which will affect plushness, bottoming resistance, and rebound (it's air spring after all).
      Easy version: have bleeder port or the clicker has been out before and you have vacuum adapters & oil chamber in line.
      Install the shaft and bladder. Put 5-7psi in the bladder.
      Install vacuum adapters then oil vacuum chamber then vac pump.
      1st few seconds will have the oil froth & expand like crazy, so click the vac on/off for a few seconds until it calms down a bit and wont suck oil into your vacuum pump
      Then vac it for a good while (15+min) until you don't see anymore bubbles coming up through your oil (decide when it's good enough, if you have slight leaks).
      Turn off the vac (and bleed at vacuum, if yours has a check valve built in). Oil will suck through the tubes into the shock to fill the vacuum currently there.
      Either apply a small pressure (~2psi) or pull the shock shaft & bladder fully extended by hand.
      There should be excess oil still in the tube. If it sucked it all up, you used too little oil. Add some more to the chamber and repeat the process (don't need to undo what you've already done)
      When satisfied, disconnect your adapters. Put the clicker submerged into a container full of the oil. Get close and ready. Transfer quick, to minimize any possible air bubbles.
      Pressurize air bladder to desired psi.
      (congrats, you now have a "professional" shock refill)
      Should you use nitrogen or shop air? short answer: nitrogen is better, but air is fine if you aren't pro MX or supercross. Nitrogen is more temp and long term pressure holding stable. Regular air is mostly nitrogen already, but contains more moisture and more oxidizer (oxygen). Spend money on nitrogen? Or spend money on replacing a bladder slightly more often? Your choice.
      For testing, I'd go with what's convenient, even if you plan to replace with nitrogen. Don't use CO2, because it's corrosive when combined with water/moisture (except a trailside emergency repair).
      How to pull the clicker:
      Since the stock DR shock lacks any bleeding ports, you should need to pull out the valving/clicker insert. From the factory, they peened the metal around the lip to keep it from ever coming out accidentally. You will need to sand that away a little bit (much like shock and fork valving usually needs the nut ground a little to pull off). I recommend an air sander with little sanding disks, but use what you have. Even once ground/sanded, it will be locktighted in there. use leather gloves in a vice and grip the bladder/expansion chamber (don't grip the main shock cylinder).

  • @terrydrew6245
    @terrydrew6245 Год назад +2

    Loved your blurb on modding a bush pig straight forward and to the point. Am so tired of riders banging on about nothing. Makes me want to buy one.

  • @cg_923
    @cg_923 Год назад +3

    i got my DR650 and theres tons of aftermarket stuff for it, and no videos explaining proper gearing/suspension info for me! this video was exactly what I needed to plan my next mods.
    thanks!

  • @KaffiRawr
    @KaffiRawr 6 месяцев назад +2

    0:06 oh lord
    I'm a relatively new rider. I ride a old nx650 Honda Dominator from 93. If you can do silly jumps like that on your dr650, I can probably do it too on my bike. With a lot of practice. And that both scares me and excites me. These old machines really do everything.
    I find myself often looking for a newer machine, but I can never justify a purchase when my old bike seem to handle abuse like no new machine.

  • @johnstomfai7836
    @johnstomfai7836 2 года назад +12

    I'm at 2.5 in mods. I did find lower/more rearward pegs made a big difference for my riding and comfort. Learning (attempting at least) to ride trials has been my best non bike upgrade. Like your vids and attitude. Your local terrain looks fun.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      Cheers John yeh lowered pegs are great for sure, I was trying to keep this vid suspension/engine related

  • @sgulp1
    @sgulp1 Год назад +3

    Superb video.
    After all these years, the old DR is still the best real world adventure bike, once you do the minor suspension work suggested here.

  • @MadDog-65
    @MadDog-65 8 месяцев назад +2

    Always a pleasure to watch these vids. Excellent detail.

  • @duncanwhitcombe4392
    @duncanwhitcombe4392 2 года назад +6

    Tier 2.5 for me.
    Larger tank so you can stay in the bush.
    Cut and weld the pegs for better ergonomic and less leg pump going from sitting to standing..
    Also weld on wider grip for the ome pegs.
    With riding gear and hydro pack I'm sitting at 107kg so for me springs and damping is the go.
    Love your content 👍

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      Sounds like a kick ass ride, enjoy

  • @MorningNapalm
    @MorningNapalm 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video, thanks! Oh, and thanks for saying "the reason is that..." instead of the more common and incorrect "the reason is because..." :D

  • @Adventurous_Life.
    @Adventurous_Life. 2 года назад +6

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Definitely helps us new guys.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +2

      Welcome Troy hope it helps ya enjoy the ride

    • @Dastardly_X
      @Dastardly_X 2 года назад +1

      Hell yaaa 🤘🤘🤘

  • @doc650adventures
    @doc650adventures 2 года назад +8

    Wonderful video Skids! Great way to list out the tiers of mods. The DR is quite capable of doing what one would need but there is always room for improvement. Now, if they just sold that mod that would make me ride like Skids and Stuff, I would be in my happy place!
    Cheers Mate!!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      Thanks DOC!

    • @doc650adventures
      @doc650adventures 2 года назад +1

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF Thank You Skids for everything you do! Great points on mods for the Mighty DR650. I just bought another one and I am looking forward to at a lot of the mods you mentioned. Happy Holidays my Friend!
      Cheers Mate!

  • @BadRetirementPlanning
    @BadRetirementPlanning 2 года назад +3

    Thanks for the video. I have a brand new DR and I'm hoping to get it up to tier two this winter so I can go have some fun this spring!!!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +2

      Spin those wrenches you chose wisely

  • @josephgeorgeejr7039
    @josephgeorgeejr7039 Год назад +1

    Most important thing I'd like do..is learn to ride like you!! Great work bud!!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      Check out my riding hacks videos, like the donut vid and listen to your feet video. Thanks!

  • @OriginalMusic1983
    @OriginalMusic1983 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for the video! Great information.
    This video has already been added to my motorcycle playlist simply so I can reference the information. I have a moderately modded DR650 in which I modded everything within my understanding. I've done things like: windshields, lowering the pegs, swapping out tires, inline fuel filter, bike armor, handlebars, barkbusters, luggage Etc... but I've been nervous to dive into mechanical changes simply because I lack the understanding of what those changes will accomplish. I don't want to put time and money into something that I don't need for me personally.
    That said, I'd love to see an edit of this video where you go further into depth on the reasons for the modifications for the newbies. For me, understanding what most of these mods even are is the difference between knowing what is right and wrong for me.
    Anyway, thanks again for the video!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  10 месяцев назад

      Good idea I will keep it in mind. Thanks for dropping in

  • @MaxwellBenson80
    @MaxwellBenson80 Год назад +2

    Wicked video! You ride that 650 like I ride my yz250. Thanks for the honest advice about upgrades, I am thinking about getting a dr650 for my main means of transport to work. The first 5 miles is un- maintained dirt road , and the rest is a combination of suburban and urban. I have had sportbikes in the past and have been riding dirtbikes for 30+ years. This bike has been calling my name for quite some time. cheers!

  • @LetsrideJ
    @LetsrideJ 2 года назад +1

    agreed, motoz desert ht is also the best front here in Colorado as well

  • @robertrainford7733
    @robertrainford7733 Год назад +1

    Thanks!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад +1

      Cheers Rob ya bloody legend, Ill convert that into skids and videos, thanks alot!

  • @aknarrowbackh8sumr49
    @aknarrowbackh8sumr49 2 года назад +2

    Awesome, practical advice. Thanks for the great video. I've been riding snowmobiles (sleds) for 35 years, had a few bikes over the years but only have 2000 miles on the roads. I have wanted an Enduro bike for 30 years and just picked up a DR a few days after the snow fell. I have past tier 2 done, plus a tank, seat, bar riser, cut/weld/relocate the foot pegs and I have not even ridden it yet. 🙄
    I know it's going to be a good bike. The simplicity is amazing, there isn't anything on it that's complex. Just a good reliable design.

  • @SocalRider1754
    @SocalRider1754 10 месяцев назад +15

    It’s funny seeing some of the comments with different ideas of what mods are essential…I think I’ll trust the guy with videos jumping the DR and hopping logs over the random commenters 😅

  • @alharris1508
    @alharris1508 Год назад +2

    Thanks for your advice....newbie to the trail/adv riding & your videos i find honest, straight to the point & no BS..
    great inspiration 👍🏼

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад +1

      Cheers Al im glad the vids are coming across that way, thanks for dropping in

  • @BrokenSprocket
    @BrokenSprocket 2 года назад +6

    Another great video.

  • @tsdmoto
    @tsdmoto 3 месяца назад +1

    Excellent video and amazing riding shots as usual. Ride safe and have fun !

  • @RKmndo
    @RKmndo Год назад

    Only a few expensive mods on the DR are really "necessary". Some good mods are free or very inexpensive.
    - Swap upper chainroller for a setscrew.
    - Loctite and safetywire NSU screws.
    - Grease.
    - Used Suzuki skidplate.
    - Cyclegear handguards on sale.
    - Adjustable Australian needle, de-snorkel, and extended idle-mix screw.
    - 44T rear sprocket.
    - Front road-legal knobby and rear, long-wearing semi-knob. Something like Mitas E09F and E07R could take a big DR a lot of places.
    - Used 5gal tank.
    If you're heavier than 170lb or so, you'll likely want to re-spring the suspension. Better damping is good for hard riding too.
    Luggage can be as simple as a Nelson-Rigg tankbag and rackless Giant Loop, Green Chile, or Mosko-Moto rear luggage.
    I like having a flush taillight too. The North American taillight falls apart.
    Many people like an upgraded seat, but I'm used to the stocker. I've even shaved one 2". I don't seem to need a windscreen either, but some people make their own for cheap.
    Shaving weight can be good too, like removing helmet lock, removing passenger pegs, tail-tidy, swapping mirrors, swapping fork spacers, swapping signals, swapping reflectors, swapping to titanium/aluminum muff, swapping to lithium battery, etc.

  • @brianpeck697
    @brianpeck697 Год назад +1

    Man that spot at 10:35 looks amazing!

  • @mtscott
    @mtscott 2 года назад +1

    Good way of explaining the levels. For better performance I did:
    1. Seat
    2. Front and rear springs and valves
    3. Risers and cables
    Not go into the tyres bit yet but agree that it needs better tyres.

  • @cc301
    @cc301 2 года назад +2

    Top video mate I got my DR650 with a lot of mods from the previous owner still learning to ride the pig off road as I mostly ride a rocket 3 enjoying your videos have a merry Christmas and a safe new year 👍

  • @kenjepsen4579
    @kenjepsen4579 Год назад +2

    Great video. I'm in the process of looking at the DR and KLR now.. Trying to figure which one I'll get...

  • @tedcrum
    @tedcrum Год назад +1

    Thanks for the common sense plan. You clearly ride the bike more that you read other people's postings. I pretty much followed the same plan, Racetech shock rebuild, new front springs and Gold Valves, D606 and Scorpion Rally. I know enough about carbs not to cut the stocker, and there's no way to make a DR into a KTM. What I want to know: What pannier rack do you have or recommend?

  • @harryphotos1
    @harryphotos1 2 месяца назад +1

    Tier 2 muffler bonus, sheds about 12 pounds which helps that soft rear spring.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 месяца назад

      Exactly, helps get that weight off the back end!

  • @SailingCorina
    @SailingCorina 2 года назад +3

    I have done a lot of mods but for me the ProCycle carb kit was the biggest improvement. I'd still like a Pumper carb because I still feel a slight delay in response but I'll probably ignore it since I won't be doing any racing. 😆

  • @gary9768
    @gary9768 29 дней назад +1

    Hey mate, love the videos on the DR very informative. You briefly touched on not changing the stock carb for the TM40, just wondering what your opinion on this? Is it not necessary?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  28 дней назад +1

      yeh no point for me, the bike already has more go than the frame can handle.

    • @gary9768
      @gary9768 28 дней назад

      @SKIDSnSTUFF cheers mate thanks for the reply

  • @caveyful
    @caveyful 2 года назад +2

    Another great mod is to set the bars forward with forward offset riser. This places the bars in line with the forks for better weighting and feel in addition to being much more comfortable for a taller rider, especially when standing. Even Skids seems to have some hunch when riding.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +2

      Can work for taller riders. I've tried risers, installed by previous owner, was a Terrible mod for me, feels so disconnected from the bike

    • @caveyful
      @caveyful 2 года назад

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF It's the forward set that matters more than the rise. If u look where the bar clamps are mounted on the triple clamps u can see there is also a rearward angle offset, meaning risers alone will set the bars even closer to the rider making for a cramped position. You need a forward set to compensate for this.
      For me being 6'2 it is definitely an essential mod and also improved front end feel into the bargain.

    • @andrewstambaugh240
      @andrewstambaugh240 Год назад

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF similar conclusion coming from me (an offroad noob) and my skilled MX friend. The raised bars made the stance way too upright. It was more work to get weight forward when needed, and it was causing a lot of arm pump even for my experienced friend.
      Simply ripping off the riser and going to stock bar height make cornering and taking whoops way easier and less jarring.
      People should watch Bret Tkacs 2 videos on bar risers for short people and tall rider tips.

  • @aderiley6592
    @aderiley6592 2 года назад +1

    Great vid mate, cheers! And Happy New Trails to you in 2023 ❤️‍🔥✌️

  • @ryanahlgren
    @ryanahlgren 7 месяцев назад +1

    60 seconds in.... already sayin good job m8.. appreciate it..

  • @rubenevora5650
    @rubenevora5650 2 года назад

    So changing this mods, in the end I will have your ridding skills levels, right? 😅
    Nice... Eheh...
    Great video man.. it is a joy seeing your channel.
    Cheer's from Portugal. 🇵🇹

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      I'm pretty sure it works like that yeh! Enjoy the shred 😀

  • @ericcournoyer1595
    @ericcournoyer1595 2 года назад +1

    One of the most information relevant/pack dr vid ever. You are quite the DrKnight ! So many others are just about buying stuff for the sake of ? I do have a question... I want to swap to a 44 from the 42 rear sprocket. Can I still run the stock chain ? "slam the wheel" ?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      That's right yep the stock chain length slams the wheel when ya go to 44T I should have made that more clear. Thanks for the kind words 😀

  • @chaoslupine
    @chaoslupine 6 месяцев назад +1

    i have a 790cc in mine.....love it.

  • @kingfunky100
    @kingfunky100 Год назад +1

    hey bro! it's a great video! i just got a dr 650 and the way your bike performs is amazing...!!!
    Could you recommend brands or links where you can get the improvements of T1 and T2.
    I'm from Mexico and getting the improvements here is a headache! hahaha.
    I liked your video!!! keep it up bro!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад +1

      The brand matters very little in most cases. I suggest watching the vid again all the info is there

  • @Em6726
    @Em6726 Год назад

    Man you have that DR650 dialed in. Seriously makes me want one now. I went from riding a drz400 to testing a stock dr650 around the block. I ultimately got a xr650r but it’s tall. I’m 5’7” I wasn’t sold on the DR650 for some reason. Seeing you thrash around on that thing is legit. It’s a different bike. I may have to get one here real soon and add your mods to it.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      With some easy tweaks the stock DR could ride well for someone 5' 7 if you're not too stout. Turn in the rear comp, add some fork preload and I'm pretty happy on a stock DR for most regular riding

    • @T30-z5w
      @T30-z5w Год назад

      I’m 5’8” and rode my DR like a dirt bike. It just takes practice. Get a good seat, fix the fueling and exhaust, tune the suspension, replace the stock bars and armor the whole thing. Then set it up with good knobbies and go wring it out on the dirt roads.

  • @andrewstambaugh240
    @andrewstambaugh240 Год назад

    Well said, though I'd personally put the airbox mods & _basic_ rejet (no modding) in the next to free improvements section.
    I've taken all my _street bikes_ offroad and even jumped them on small jumps. Ideal? No. And I've ridden MX and trail bikes of various price ranges.
    *So the following is coming from a "use what you've got" but also "why settle, when you can make it better cheaply" perspective.*
    My DR is in the early stage 2 to stage 3 range: some improvements, but also inadequate suspension performance, awaiting a major improvement via front end swap (most of the parts already in hand)
    Bought the bike from someone with similar weight and height.
    It came with nicer pegs and bars (raised).
    TM40 pumper carb (procycle version, already jetted)
    *It was resprung and had intiminators, "the best suspension you can buy"... right.* (more below, but In reality it was street soft with _really bad_ rebound control)
    Every spring is just below the softest online recommendations I could find.
    The rear was also sprung too soft and had a cogent improved shock (stock with rebound and better shim stacks) From testing, he must have asked for street soft, as I can't imagine cogent being so incompetent as making their upgraded shock that inadequately dampened without being requested to do so. (anyone else with want to chime in with their experience?)
    On the street, it was fine. Well mannered. Not as nice as my cheap ninja 300, but not bad... but I had my suspicions.
    *Offroad, it was so bad - it quickly beat up me and my MX skilled rider friend.* It pogo'd violently from end to end, each bad response getting thrown into the other misbehaving end. Lack of rebound damping meant neither end gripped well (not a tire fault). Cornering was about planning how much you expected the front end to keep slipping wide. *My streetbike fronts grip better than that!*
    I've done the next to free mods, including the more skilled tinkering ones: thicker oils both ends (shock rebuild) and increased level in the front. Added a much bigger rear sprocket (so I wouldn't need clutch to make it go less than 10mph offroad). All that made it _drivable_ offroad, but still only just getting there. The front end is only just leaving the excessive rebound and starting to grip. Because the springs are too soft, it is a compromise between _how much_ to reduce collapsing and how harsh can be tolerated for the little bumps. Ridable, capable of some rough offroad, but not ideal.
    *Those intiminators are not a drop inmod !* Oh, they claim to be - but then *they hose your rebound damping* to pretend they are. This is horrible offroad. Not only do they perform inadequate in compression offroad, but the DR already starts a bit under-damped in rebound. Intiminators require even thinner oil, making that far worse: collapsing + pogo'ing.
    Having ridden and adjusted my friends MX bikes, I've felt 1st hand how much difference rebound settings make. *Noob or not, it's easy to feel mushy going wide vs cuts a line right where you put it.*
    I was already looking at needing springs, and needing (proper) emulators. And that would leave me opening shocks to tune rebound.
    I found an RMZ450 front end for less than $300, which comes with comp & reb clickers and is more responsive to valving changes. I'd consider that a bargain for the massive improvement it's expected to make.
    I'm an engineer and mechanic. I also have a little cnc router, so I can make some parts at home. This is a more approachable mod for me than for most. I've also got other bikes and friend's bikes I can ride, so I'm not missing much while it's down.
    *I wouldn't recommend this route for someone new to wrenching or someone who wants a quick drop in solution.*

  • @mrwill1969
    @mrwill1969 2 года назад

    Have done the front spring upgrade and to coin a phrase it's a game changer. Thanks for the heads up on the front tyre, that's been the bane of my existence for so long, I'll consider giving it a try . Cheers 🍻

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      I'm confident you will love the tyre, enjoy

  • @edwardweiszbeck1649
    @edwardweiszbeck1649 5 месяцев назад +4

    Very helpful video

  • @archerfromthewoods
    @archerfromthewoods 2 года назад +3

    Merry Christmas dude!

  • @kiwiadventurer
    @kiwiadventurer Год назад +1

    A good watch and..... love your practice areas.

  • @theflyingkiwi4803
    @theflyingkiwi4803 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! I’d suggest pre-tier 1 - bigger fuel tank!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  8 месяцев назад

      Definitely , but not a Performance mod as such.

    • @theflyingkiwi4803
      @theflyingkiwi4803 8 месяцев назад

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF fair point! Greetings from NZ, 100,000km DR owner!🤩

  • @WuKuVex
    @WuKuVex 10 месяцев назад

    Any tips fpr the older doctors... like my 1985 DR600?

  • @timsilva1944
    @timsilva1944 2 года назад

    Solid advice here! Also this guy proves that it's the rider, not the bike.
    I've had my DR for 7+ years, so it's got substantial mods. Level 3 since I enjoy turning a wrench for a measurable gain.
    As stated here, getting into the level 2 should keep you happy.
    Suspension and tires first. Especially if you're a bigger guy.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      Thanks enjoy the shred sled!

  • @nickfindsgold9788
    @nickfindsgold9788 2 года назад +29

    This video must be why I am still sitting up at 1.30am.... I have done about 47 more mods to mine, still not finished, still cant ride it 🤣😂😅 I may have gotten carried away

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +7

      Never! It that NEXT mod that really does the trick

    • @nickfindsgold9788
      @nickfindsgold9788 2 года назад +3

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF I have screen shot this comment to show my wife. She wont take my word for it

    • @doc650adventures
      @doc650adventures 2 года назад +10

      Wait, has someone actually "finished" the DR650? LOL!😁😁😁

    • @nickfindsgold9788
      @nickfindsgold9788 2 года назад +2

      @@doc650adventures whoa........ that is some deep philosophy right there 🤯

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      @@doc650adventures 😄

  • @davidfalgout7304
    @davidfalgout7304 Год назад +1

    I agree 100%. Great info mate! Thanks!

  • @kevmankom
    @kevmankom 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for the summary, great content. I look forward to more of your work.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      Thanks Kev, plenty of other vids in our back catalogue that may interest ya

  • @elliot7179
    @elliot7179 2 года назад +2

    How are the fork preload caps going , would be cool to see an update on them . Merry Christmas mate

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +4

      Was suppose to be this video, will be the next!

  • @jushirocepeda3031
    @jushirocepeda3031 2 года назад

    Great Pilot ! Congratulaciones !! Saludos desde Mexico !

  • @benjy288
    @benjy288 2 года назад +1

    I would go with ffrc plex valves for the forks instead of springs, they basically turn it into a modern cartridge fork, I wouldn't bother with fork springs unless you're over 100kg, cutting open the top of the airbox and rejetting the carb give great results for cheap, the pumper carb basically gives it the throttle response of an injected bike.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +2

      Glad that works for ya. It's all in your head though

    • @benjy288
      @benjy288 2 года назад

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF What is?

  • @ericcournoyer1595
    @ericcournoyer1595 Год назад +2

    I did the modification of the fuel air screw.... the screw fell out. !!! I have a new one ordered. How can I prevent this from happening ?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      You must have screwed it out way too far. Screw it all the way on first until it just bottoms out. Then come out 1 3/4 or 2 turns

  • @andy2314
    @andy2314 2 года назад

    Perfect video. Gave me great ideas for my DR. Especially in the suspension parts

    • @doc650adventures
      @doc650adventures 2 года назад +1

      Suspension makes a huge difference for sure. The DR is so versatile, it is such a great do all bike!
      Cheers!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      Great to hear it's helpful, cheers

  • @stephenrevering1662
    @stephenrevering1662 9 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent! Thanks.

  • @rsbharley4766
    @rsbharley4766 Год назад

    Another excellent video, thanks for taking the time to share. Cheers

  • @medeskibleu
    @medeskibleu Год назад

    Hope you’re all good, Ben!

  • @russellgunther
    @russellgunther 9 месяцев назад +2

    My DR650 is a fantastic value adventure bike and a great basic trail bike. That's why I chose it over the rest. You must share genes with superman if you can ride it like in your video. It is far too heavy overall, top heavy, high seated and high geared for me to ride it like that. Also the rear tire is far too small for a bike this size. It is a huge effort to pick it up when I inevitably lose traction, overbalance and topple over, particularly with a full 20L tank. I am 6'1" and 86kg. I have dropped it several times overbalancing just getting on and off of it stationary. My 1981 IT465 is a far more capable and enjoyable bike to ride off road as it is not effected by these problems. My top mod is the seat. There aren't strong enough swear words to describe the standard seat. Next is the riding position. Two inch lowered pegs and moving the bars both up and forward 2 inches transformed the bike for sitting and standing. Dropping a tooth on the counter sprocket is great. Even with mid range after market springs the forks are still soft and comfortable. Fork cartridge emulators soften up high speed compression dampening on rocks and sharp edges but otherwise you don't need them. I agree you should re-valve the rear shock as there is no dampening to speak of. The standard engine is powerful and very quiet. I have modified the airbox and jetting but the benefits are small for the extra induction noise. The close fitting seat and obstructive cabling and pipes limits the amount of intake air so there is not much benefit cutting holes in the top of the airbox.

  • @ryarob
    @ryarob 5 месяцев назад +3

    Awesome info.👌🤟

  • @jw8556
    @jw8556 Год назад

    Yeah mods sargent seat is a must, bar risers and fat bars, storm barbusters ,slim screen ,30 ltr tank full staintune exhaust, rejet stock caby, heavier front springs (no emulators) cut and drilled front guard for more air flow cut at least 50 + mill off front and drilled right back side for oil cooler,force accessories bash plate (the best choice) with over sized holes for cooling ,yz pegs lowered, centre stand for lubing chain and punctures ,racks and soft bags ,15/45 gearing, head light cover ,last but not l fitted a Elka rear shock with external preload adjuster definitely a great investment they don't use the preload adjuster any more l can adjust high and low speed comp on the fly are yes that's while lm riding at speed (open desert)all these mods cost me approximately 5k the bike has 43k on it and lm selling it to buy a KTM 890 as l need more road use

  • @clivegroos9279
    @clivegroos9279 Месяц назад +1

    Hi could you recommend a shock valve thanks

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Месяц назад

      @@clivegroos9279 tekniks does a good job if you're in Australia

  • @78sgr
    @78sgr 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hey mate vids are 👌 did you do something with your carb slide pin??If your ever in kununurra drop me a line.

  • @darrenmckenna9115
    @darrenmckenna9115 2 года назад

    Onya Ben. Cheers and merry Christmas buddy.

  • @royjmcc7
    @royjmcc7 Год назад +1

    So, as far as the carb goes, just turn out the air fuel mixture screw 1 3/4 turns? Does this take out the initial stumble at roll on?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      Gonna depend on weather and altitude. i have the screw set at about 2 turns out, in summer the airbox snorkel is out whereas in winter I didnt need it out. I dont experience any off idle stumble this way

  • @newbs70
    @newbs70 2 года назад +1

    Love the info mate. Thanks for sharing

  • @jonathanblackmore4536
    @jonathanblackmore4536 8 месяцев назад

    Mighty man Ben will be following T2 JB

  • @mattandshazzasmotoadventures
    @mattandshazzasmotoadventures 2 года назад

    Great video, thanks for the info. You’ve helped me with understanding what I need to do with my suspension, cheers!

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад +1

      That's awesome cheers for stopping in

  • @kokkiematematika1931
    @kokkiematematika1931 Год назад +1

    Please advise on what I should do with my stock foot pegs? Also should I change the gear lever from rubberish to steel?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      I like the stock gear lever.
      Some people like to run lower footpegs, mine are lower, but I've never tried stock. I'd think you would atleast need to remove the stock foot pegs rubber mounting system.

  • @anthonygriswold9348
    @anthonygriswold9348 Год назад +1

    Great video!

  • @hasteeee
    @hasteeee Год назад

    Excellent video mate! Subscribed.

  • @B3nAn
    @B3nAn Год назад +1

    Do you still have the plastic skid plate? I’m thinking about buying the one you have. Or is it better a metal one? I think plastic would be lighter?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад +1

      Yep still doing the job just dandy. Definitely the way to go

    • @B3nAn
      @B3nAn Год назад

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF thank you 🤜🤛

  • @glennmorrissey2529
    @glennmorrissey2529 Месяц назад

    What do you think are the best ADV boots as in best ankle protection. Am searching for a DR, there are quite a few about, some with high kilometeres some with low, your opinion on a high kilometre or older DR. Thanks.

  • @radeckiless
    @radeckiless 2 года назад

    I'd put the tm40 in tier 2 it just responds way faster it's easter to adjust and it doesn't seem to clog as much after it's been sitting

  • @SB-fe4gt
    @SB-fe4gt 2 года назад

    Well done, Thank You What racks do you have mounted...I'd like something similar to keep my soft saddlebags in place.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      Pretty sure they are the Barrett racks, we're on the bike already when I bought it. Plenty of similar options out there

  • @Swampiwot
    @Swampiwot 2 года назад +1

    Awesome video, made some notes for future mods and have my bike booked in to get the front springs done. Any handlebar recommendations? 5ft 10 do I need risers, feel like I’m riding with my fingertips. Cheers.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      Same height as me. My DR originally came with risers and I ditched them for stock mounts... much better for me, feel a lot more connected to the front end now.
      I do run lowered pegs though which I can highly recommend other than have to be really careful in single trail to not smash my feet.
      I just run the cheapest handlebars I could find after bending the stock bars.

    • @Swampiwot
      @Swampiwot 2 года назад +1

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF thanks mate, yeah risers seem quite topical across the forums, left me pretty confused, I’ll give the pegs a go first. Thanks again and Merry Xmas.

    • @Swampiwot
      @Swampiwot Год назад +1

      Update- suspension done, 44 tooth sprocket done, feels like a different bike. 🙌

  • @marshallgreen4697
    @marshallgreen4697 Год назад

    you rock. but T2 looks scary for me. I'm very unhandy, usually strip/break things...........I weigh 205 pounds. my dr650 is 2022 with 6.6 acerbis tank + skid plate, rally pro guards. i side freeway a lot at 80 mph.

  • @attackfpv
    @attackfpv Год назад +1

    What is the tank??? Wicked

  • @jakestewart7079
    @jakestewart7079 2 года назад +1

    XR650l vs DR650 for a taller rider's adventure bike build?

    • @scottys1423
      @scottys1423 2 года назад

      Seems fairly obvious. The XR is a taller bike to begin with. At least it was for many years. I have not kept up with recent model changes.

  • @Tookarooks
    @Tookarooks Год назад +1

    What's your opinion on the front brake master cylinder performance?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад

      On my previous DR the front brake needed servicing so it wasnt so flash but on the current bike it work fine for normal riding.

  • @bwoodblu
    @bwoodblu 3 месяца назад +1

    Have you tried the motoz dual venture front tire or you still prefer the desert ht?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  3 месяца назад

      for my use Desert HT all the way but the Dualventure looks good for more road use

  • @bodhers
    @bodhers Год назад +1

    No re-jet the carb?

  • @RiskofRuin
    @RiskofRuin Год назад

    Hey Ben, love the vids they've been a massive help. So if your rocking 15/44 with a 525 chain, whats the link count on that? Google reckons OEM is 110 but would I be alright with a 120link with a slammed rear like yours?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  Год назад +1

      stock length chain gives slammed rear with 15/44. but if i was to do it again i would go 14/42 gearing for a slightly longer rear and set-up the bike around that. while i like the responsiveness of the slammed rear end, a longer rear give better action on whoops and sharp hits.

  • @SomeInfoSecDude
    @SomeInfoSecDude 2 года назад

    Excellent vid ! Thanks!

  • @Dastardly_X
    @Dastardly_X 2 года назад

    WOW
    Nice work ‼️
    Thanks SKIDS 😎 🎄 💚 🤘🏻

  • @nananananana10
    @nananananana10 6 месяцев назад +1

    comment just cause hopefully it helps, good vid

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  6 месяцев назад

      Cheers legend it def helps 🙂

  • @neiltibbey6208
    @neiltibbey6208 2 года назад

    good advise ben. as usual

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      Thanks for checking it out Neil

  • @blairmatheson6519
    @blairmatheson6519 2 года назад +1

    Side stand safety switch mod done.
    Thanks for all the great videos!

  • @DanielSmith-vp5vn
    @DanielSmith-vp5vn 2 года назад

    Merry Xmas brother.

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      Thanks Daniel have a good one

  • @Speedytrip
    @Speedytrip Год назад

    Nice video, good riding!

  • @jeanmascret3211
    @jeanmascret3211 Год назад

    Very good advise men thank you

  • @elvinagre
    @elvinagre 6 месяцев назад

    How would 15 - 44 compare to 14 - 42 sprockets?

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  6 месяцев назад

      basically same ratio. different rear end length only. if i was to do it again I would use 14/42.

  • @JavierCharles-jx7no
    @JavierCharles-jx7no Год назад

    Does the Safari fuel tank allow space for crashbars? Or is it crash resistant?

  • @mrjaredljones
    @mrjaredljones 2 года назад

    Hey Ben. Awesome vid as always. I'm on my way to completing tier 1 and 2. I have the Motoz desert front also, it's bloody amazing off-road but I'm finding it wobbles a lot at 100km+. Did you find it was like this also ? I only have a couple of hundred K on them. Keep the vids coming

    • @SKIDSnSTUFF
      @SKIDSnSTUFF  2 года назад

      I don't notice that at all... if you not yet done tier 2 suspension then you will find what you seek there, it will be a front/rear bike balance issue.

    • @mrjaredljones
      @mrjaredljones 2 года назад

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF cool man. I thought that may be the case. Onto the next mod 💪 thanks for the quick reply

    • @mrjaredljones
      @mrjaredljones 2 года назад

      @@SKIDSnSTUFF And Merry Christmas ya legend 🎄

  • @aussiefarmer8741
    @aussiefarmer8741 Год назад

    Cool thanks.