I like how Kelly and Steve had each other's back throughout. I always felt like they were one of the core relationships on the show. It's also cool to see them revisit a major dramatic episode from a few years earlier (Brenda, Dylan, & Donna were at the Halloween part too). Nice writing
I like how Brandon is standing right beside Steve gripping his shoulder as a way of being a pillar of support, and he's the first one to start clapping as soon as Kelly said Steve's name. I like to think it was his way of telling Steve that everything was gonna be alright.
Kelly may not have always been the nicest of characters, but she had a hard life, and her assaults were something that no person should ever have to endure. Jennie Garth performed her monologue beautifully.
I haven’t seen these episodes. Kelly is not entirely wrong but it could be a dangerous narrative. Sometimes a ‘no’ isn’t always vocalized but the cues are there. It’s a very tricky subject. That’s why they say, “If it’s not an emphatic yes, it’s a no.”
@@jaybarnes8034 I know Steve wasn’t perfect. He maybe stubborn, loud, impatient, immature, wreck-less, shallow, greedy, and party crazy and hot headed. Despite his MANY MANY flaws, rape is something Steve would never do
@@brettteply1207 agreed. When Andrea and Steve were in his room studying during high school he stops coming onto her immediately when he realizes she is uncomfortable with what is happening.
Between Dan Scott and John Sears, Paul Johansson basically made a career in playing slimy, sleazy jerks. He's probably perfectly amiable in real life, though.
Steve cheated in HS, hacked the computer system. Donna had disaster grades and a low SAT. Andrea got into her dream school Yale. Yet they ALL end up at the same university. Ya right. And David Silver graduated 2 years early. Went from Freshman to Senior
Also in the pilot episode Brenda was confirmed to be a 16 year old junior, so David skipped a grade while Brenda missed a grade? I guess it's about suspending disbelief for the purpose of drama and entertainment.
@@diana_prince_1 It would have made more sense re fashion to have that during the high school years (early 1990's). California was close to Seattle lol. But I guess it could be argued college students are very busy/stressed so this is why they look unkept.
Except Steve didn’t save her…Brenda walked in on that incident at the party and screamed Dylan I need you…then Dylan and Steve came in the room. Awww I love how the writers always forget the prior episodes
That is true , but Steve did grab that cowboy guy and said "I'll kill you , I love that girl". After when Dylan and Steve threw the guy out , that's when Steve punched the guy.
It's so cool and so sweet to have friends like the gang and like Steve. I don't think she felt like Steve do "that" to her. She just want to have a love relationship with Steve and he didn't. She want vengeance
True for some reason they do and breaks is 20x stronger then Kelly - but when it comes to Dylan they make her weak - also I hate how they had Dylan “ choose “?they are both beautiful intelligent women yet they sat around while a guy chose them - didn’t like that at all
Faithfulness is what marriage is supposed to be made of. Since society has thrown it away we don't have anymore successful ones. I thought it was rare refreshing and beautiful.
I think this is where brandon started to fall for Kelly he went to her to help Steve & came through later they have their makes outs have sex & become a couple in love. Bk were telling the other they loved eachother while dylan & kelly never said it once. Brenda & dylan alao always said they loved eachother all the time & he admitted to her the problem was he lived her more than he thought he couod love anyone " that was the oroblem" Brandon brought Kelly up as brenda did for dylan. Dylan & kelly were just sex which she said to him.
What happened to Stuart? I was looking forward to seeing the unraveling of that relationship. I think it involved a cat being burnt out. Could you please put the clio up. Thanks 😊
It made no sense that Steve would go on to date Laura. After that accusation, any man would have kept well away from her. On another topic, I would have liked to have seen Kelly and Steve get back together. Always felt Steve was her real soulmate as opposed to Dylan and Branddon.
This episode always bothered me. It's supposed to be about sexual assault but instead it turns out to be about a woman lying about rape. Pretty nasty. Then they tried to make up for it by having Donna almost be raped next season.
It's not a yes unless it's an enthusiastic and obviously and clearly stated yes. Not saying no doesn't make it a yes. And the fact that shows tried to normalize that is gross.
Well, in this instance, though with Steve, she did want to, but because Steve didn't want anything more than a hookup, she got upset and regretted having consensual s*x. So, in her mind, she came up with the date r*pe scenario after hearing Kelly talking about one of her experiences from her past in a group session. Kelly here was giving her specifically the message that what happened with her and Steve was that it was consensual and that later, she regretted it, which is NOT the same thing as date r*pe.
Pretty soon people will be saying it’s not consent without a notarized signature. If I don’t want a man doing something with (or to) my body, it’s up to ME to communicate that. I’m certainly not going along with something and then turning around the next day and calling it rape because I only nodded my head instead of giving an “enthusiastic and obviously and clearly stated yes”. How about we start empowering each other to communicate an assertive and obviously and clearly stated no, instead of blaming the man for not accurately gauging the sincerity of our yes?
I like how Kelly and Steve had each other's back throughout. I always felt like they were one of the core relationships on the show. It's also cool to see them revisit a major dramatic episode from a few years earlier (Brenda, Dylan, & Donna were at the Halloween part too). Nice writing
Kelly and Steve seemed like brother and sister actually
I like how Brandon is standing right beside Steve gripping his shoulder as a way of being a pillar of support, and he's the first one to start clapping as soon as Kelly said Steve's name. I like to think it was his way of telling Steve that everything was gonna be alright.
Kelly may not have always been the nicest of characters, but she had a hard life, and her assaults were something that no person should ever have to endure. Jennie Garth performed her monologue beautifully.
Jennie did play Kelly Taylor well. She deserves her flowers 💕🔥💕😊
Steve should never treat her like dirt.
I haven’t seen these episodes. Kelly is not entirely wrong but it could be a dangerous narrative. Sometimes a ‘no’ isn’t always vocalized but the cues are there. It’s a very tricky subject. That’s why they say, “If it’s not an emphatic yes, it’s a no.”
Glad Kelly spoke on behalf of Steve. Laura needs to stop blaming Steve for having consensual sex.
@@jaybarnes8034 I know Steve wasn’t perfect. He maybe stubborn, loud, impatient, immature, wreck-less, shallow, greedy, and party crazy and hot headed. Despite his MANY MANY flaws, rape is something Steve would never do
Steve had charisma
You know this isn’t real, right?
Do you?
@@brettteply1207 agreed. When Andrea and Steve were in his room studying during high school he stops coming onto her immediately when he realizes she is uncomfortable with what is happening.
I love Kelly's Speech for steve and I love that thay always had each other
Kelly made the speech partly to clear Steve’s name
But did she ?
Between Dan Scott and John Sears, Paul Johansson basically made a career in playing slimy, sleazy jerks. He's probably perfectly amiable in real life, though.
He also played John Galt, one could argue he achieved moral perfection!
He would have been perfect as Gaston in the live action Beauty and the Beast.
Love one tree hill
Based take from Kelly, i like these more intense episodes that deal with the more important issues.
Steve cheated in HS, hacked the computer system. Donna had disaster grades and a low SAT. Andrea got into her dream school Yale. Yet they ALL end up at the same university. Ya right. And David Silver graduated 2 years early. Went from Freshman to Senior
Lol 😂😂 hilarious yet true
it also showed David wasn't prepared for college. He was the one who did drugs (vs Dylan or Kelly) to deal with college life stress.
@robinorlowski2449 Kelly did drugs after college years. Dylan too. Donna addicted to pain killers
Also in the pilot episode Brenda was confirmed to be a 16 year old junior, so David skipped a grade while Brenda missed a grade? I guess it's about suspending disbelief for the purpose of drama and entertainment.
@@RayPruitt-ji9jx in pilot episode. They were all juniors except David
She did it for Steve
And because Laura Kingman spread BAD rumors about him. And I mean BAD.
Laura accused him of date rape
In 5 seconds their are two different people wearing flannel including Brenda lmao
I always wanted one😅 seriously that was the style of the 90s paired with jeans and dr martens
It was an early 90s thing, the grunge look. Miss those days. 😊
@@diana_prince_1 It would have made more sense re fashion to have that during the high school years (early 1990's). California was close to Seattle lol. But I guess it could be argued college students are very busy/stressed so this is why they look unkept.
Brenda could pull off the grunge look, but not Kelly. David couldn't decide if he wanted to be grunge or gangsta rap lol.
@@chaddeez8446 lmao
I agree more
It wasn’t called Take Back The Night Week for nothing
Except Steve didn’t save her…Brenda walked in on that incident at the party and screamed Dylan I need you…then Dylan and Steve came in the room. Awww I love how the writers always forget the prior episodes
Brandon Was not there
@@lexirowe3151 ???
That is true , but Steve did grab that cowboy guy and said "I'll kill you , I love that girl". After when Dylan and Steve threw the guy out , that's when Steve punched the guy.
@@peterwebher9429 it was for Kelly that he did
I knew I was starting to pick up some bad feelings about Laura
0:55 a special appearance from funkmaster B.😂😂
It's so cool and so sweet to have friends like the gang and like Steve. I don't think she felt like Steve do "that" to her. She just want to have a love relationship with Steve and he didn't. She want vengeance
I hate how they made Brenda act like a love sick puppy behind Dylan 😒.
She was 😂😂😂
@@meanguy111he was
Omg yessss, like she couldn't get over him
True for some reason they do and breaks is 20x stronger then Kelly - but when it comes to Dylan they make her weak - also I hate how they had Dylan “ choose “?they are both beautiful intelligent women yet they sat around while a guy chose them - didn’t like that at all
Faithfulness is what marriage is supposed to be made of. Since society has thrown it away we don't have anymore successful ones. I thought it was rare refreshing and beautiful.
Take Back The Night could teach those scumbags from Me Too a lesson ❤
Steve❤️
I think this is where brandon started to fall for Kelly he went to her to help Steve & came through later they have their makes outs have sex & become a couple in love. Bk were telling the other they loved eachother while dylan & kelly never said it once. Brenda & dylan alao always said they loved eachother all the time & he admitted to her the problem was he lived her more than he thought he couod love anyone " that was the oroblem" Brandon brought Kelly up as brenda did for dylan. Dylan & kelly were just sex which she said to him.
Sex and arguing seemed to be all DK did. Even as they matured, they couldn’t stay together
What happened to Stuart? I was looking forward to seeing the unraveling of that relationship. I think it involved a cat being burnt out. Could you please put the clio up. Thanks 😊
So what was the moral of this episode? "Not saying yes or no could still be rape (maybe)"?
Spooky, this is a conversation among 2 dead people
Laura seemed like a troublemaker. Between the rape accusations and trying to ruin Brenda’s life
What is 42 year old dylan mccay doing in a high school?!?!😂
It made no sense that Steve would go on to date Laura. After that accusation, any man would have kept well away from her. On another topic, I would have liked to have seen Kelly and Steve get back together. Always felt Steve was her real soulmate as opposed to Dylan and Branddon.
Steve and Kelly should have Maybe been married.
This episode always bothered me. It's supposed to be about sexual assault but instead it turns out to be about a woman lying about rape. Pretty nasty. Then they tried to make up for it by having Donna almost be raped next season.
You had women who are like that
It's not a yes unless it's an enthusiastic and obviously and clearly stated yes. Not saying no doesn't make it a yes. And the fact that shows tried to normalize that is gross.
Well, in this instance, though with Steve, she did want to, but because Steve didn't want anything more than a hookup, she got upset and regretted having consensual s*x. So, in her mind, she came up with the date r*pe scenario after hearing Kelly talking about one of her experiences from her past in a group session. Kelly here was giving her specifically the message that what happened with her and Steve was that it was consensual and that later, she regretted it, which is NOT the same thing as date r*pe.
Pretty soon people will be saying it’s not consent without a notarized signature. If I don’t want a man doing something with (or to) my body, it’s up to ME to communicate that. I’m certainly not going along with something and then turning around the next day and calling it rape because I only nodded my head instead of giving an “enthusiastic and obviously and clearly stated yes”. How about we start empowering each other to communicate an assertive and obviously and clearly stated no, instead of blaming the man for not accurately gauging the sincerity of our yes?
@trickortrump3292 well, women are like that.