the REAL Ford Death Wobble Fix on a BRAND NEW F350
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Could it be this simple?? As a follow up to my WHY all the other DEATH WOBBLE fixes are no good, here is the SIMPLE step by step guide, done on a brand new F350 dually.
The Ford Death Wobble has been plaguing drivers for many years and the only fix was a band aid at best. The REAL fix lies with just one bushing.
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I only see the bushing listed for 2x4 not 4x4. Do you find there is a difference? I noticed your white truck was 4x4. Thanks
@@jamoncito37 the bushing listed should be for the 4x4, the black truck was a 4x4 too. Thanks!
I ordered the ones off Amazon and didn’t get any directions where can I find that chart you had thanks Chris
I did thousands of these at the shop I worked at. They claimed I was the only one who could fix death wobble and not eat up the tires. I was one of the few that could tell the body shop how much and where to pull the frame so normal alignments could be accomplished. I made cars that dealers and several other shops could not go straight and not wear tires. Best one was a lexus that was in litigation because it could not be aligned by 15 alignment shops including 3 dealers. The lawyer was mad that I fixed it. Problem isn't they couldn't fix them, being on flat rate pay prevented them from putting in the time necessary to doing the job right. It's why parts they get paid to replace sometimes never get installed despite the customer still paying for it, and why good techs are leaving the field.
Thank you! I am retired from the biz and green bands on a computer screen is so far from what makes a truly correct alignment.
As a former Belle Tire mechanic and alignment tech this video is great. I always installed them on the rack. This will not solve worn parts, but Fords were notorious for poor OEM alignment specs. I remember 6 degrees of positive camber on the vans, terrible suspentuon design and no adjustability. Bravo
These have always been adjustable. It's done the same way you adjust camber on a 18 wheeler or an A model. They are bent with proper tooling to achieve this result.
THANK YOU for this video series! I have a 2006 F250 that I've had for 10 years. In Jan 2023 I put a set of like new, good used, goodyear tires on it. I don't drive it much as I have a company vehicle. 2 months later while coming down I-75 in N Florida, I hit a POT HOLE and that started my death wobble experiences. I figured I had knocked a wheel weight off the truck. It happened one more time on that trip. I had the balance checked and the tires are still perfectly balanced. A few more trips to N Florida and back from Tampa and I just avoided as many potholes as possible and have not had the DEATH Wobble again, until last month, June of 2024. I going about 70MPH, in the center lane, It was SO BAD that from the center lane that the truck was going for the center jersey wall/wire and I couldn't steer it away from it going there, I HAD to hit the brake HARD to at least slow the impact, and FORTUNATELY, as soon as the truck slowed under 55MPH, the DEATH WOBBLE stopped and I merely missed the wall/wire by about 1 foot. Since then, I stepped up my research on the DEATH WOOBLE. LOTS of videos on the band-aid fix of adding steering dampeners. That didn't seem to be the fix in my eyes AT ALL, so I kept researching and have FINALLY stumbled on your videos and this REALLY REALLY MAKES SENSE! I am ordering the bushings from Amazon and will be replacing them next week. I will try to come back here with an update. Again, THANKS for your videos on this and nice job on the shameless plugs in your videos. Good luck on your internet ventures.
Thanks for the kind words. Glad to do it!
Dude, you killed this video. Amazing job. Thank you thank you for this!
Most alignment shops will not align your truck. If you have those on there they want to go back with a solid bushing. Because those adjustable bushings move and I cost $500 to do an alignment on one of those trucks. I charge labor to take the bushings out put them back in and then do a heavy duty alignment about five $600. It’s crazy.
Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been having the death wobble on my 2014 f350 dually. Have replaced the stabilizer and that only helped minimally. Not much play in other steering components. Was about to purchase all new components for the front end but will try this first. Again, thank you.
Your most positive while keeping the camber green and and cross caster split not more then 1.0 degrees about .5 or so to keep it driving straight on most roads road crown requires .5 degree lower caster on the left side if your split is to high it will pull to the lowest side ford had a bad batch of steering stablizers a few years back caused excessive death wobble in most of the big trucks reason for the recall to replace them, you video is good you have the right idea but i would recommend letting a professional handle the fine tunning put them in. fine save some labor providing there's enough ajustabilty to keep it .5 degrees split to the left and keeping the camber green and about the same on both sides then a toe adjustment and center the steering wheel adjustment and your golden 🏆💪🔧🚗🇺🇸
This guy is good
Watched another video and did mine. Check alignment first. My 2010 was dead nominal at 200k with death wobble, so I was able to use 2.5° shims and all fixed. Not a hint of wobble starting, and my 5th wheel tracks true even in heavy wind. It was a major handful in wind before. 2.5° doesn't sound like much but it is huge. USE SOLID SHIMS unless something is wrong from factory... Too much potential for someone to screw it up with combo shims, it's hard enough for people to understand as it is. Didn't even bother to check after, runs like a dream, but I checked everything else first, it is all tight. I notice zero additional effort at low speeds. 2° may be enough for yours.
I have a 24 and when I added 2.5 of caster I had a problem with vibrations in the passenger side axel. It turns out that the 24s have a “dummy hub” on the passenger side and not a standard manual locking hub like the 23s and older. Have you had any issues with vibrations or noises on the passenger side hub from adding caster?
I haven't noticed any vibrations yet, but I only added 1.5 to the 24. What speeds are you noticing the vibration? Thanks for the heads up BTW
From 5mph +
@@spencerdaines8847 We are on the road now, in Flagstaff, and I didn't notice any vibration from the passenger side for the thousand miles or so from Tennessee. Did you try dialing it down a bit to see if it was still there? I really did like 1.5 positive on the trip, it felt like it made a difference on the new truck.
2006 F250 FX 4x4 v10 extra cab 8ft bed. Death wable is so Bad. Will it fix
It's definitely worth a shot!
I just did this on my ‘23 and it pulls hard to the left after install. Are you immediately getting it re-aligned after? It seems like your just dropping them in and driving away. What’s your thoughts?
Great video! What part number do you get from napa?🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Both casters need to be replaced I’m assuming?
Yes, I would do both.
Wonder why I've never had the death wobble ? Nobody I know in real life has but I see it all over the internet. Why do some have and some dont?
Im looking at doing casters for my f350 diesel 2009. My local store only has a 2.0 would that be ok?
I would think +2 would be a good place to land.
but didn't it turn when you tight it it looked like it
I cannot find the links to purchase the bushings.
Please help…
Pinned comment on the video is where the links are. Thanks !
So what actually happenes to that bushing to cause the death wobble? Does it wear or turn some how?
I have a 2015 F350......garage says everything is tight, but at 90kmh the wobble is violent!!!
Good video!!
The design spec is simply wrong and has been forever. The only way to fix is with more caster. If it is in-spec, it is high risk.
@@nazdackster then why wasnt it corrected, with a recall?? If its something as simple as a 35.00 part!!
I know FORD have changed the part number on the steering dampener 3 or 4 times now and came out with bigger & beefier ones. Doing this they must have known something as well.
@@LKMKully I don't know, but I've worked with Ford engineering for years and they can take a long time to correct things. Certain design changes may be considered an admission of guilt and I believe there is pressure from above to insist the design is ok and prevent recalls. In cases like this where a cheap fix gets the job done, you're better off to take care of it yourself. That's what I did. And I'll tell you, most of the engineers are good or great, and very involved and interested. I haven't bought anything but Ford for years since working on projects with those guys, but I think ALL auto manufacturers suffer from this phenomenon. Plenty of guys know what to do and can't get it through the bureaucracy. Sad, but I get it.
Except possibility Tesla... Elon constantly applies really high pressure to never do dumb things, and if you already did, change design on the fly immediately. Great manufacturing guy.
@@LKMKully My theory on the newer models is there are two oscillations going on. One is steering wheel left-right, and once this has enough energy, it begins true death wobble, which is a self reinforcing oscillation of wheel hop and front end geometry. More caster should prevent both. At least it did on my 2010, but that style doesn't start with the higher frequency steering oscillation.
Nick, Did you label your before and after photos wrong? I thought you wanted more rake back after the bushing install. I am not seeing that in the photos as labeled.
Hey Steve, the photos are correct. What you're looking for is to pull back the top part of the hub toward the back of the vehicle. Since I only added 1.5 degrees, the movement is less pronounced, but if you look at the line in the pic, the top is farther back than the original. The picture actually looks like it's opposite rake, but when you put weight on the wheels, the "rake" is more like what you would see on a bike. Thanks!
His picture is deceiving as it shows a line on the caliper for the before and after pictures which in reality doesn’t show the actual relationship of the top and bottom ball joints. The top of the spindle is farther back than the bottom. The bushing moves the spindle an extra 1.5 degrees towards the back
Hey please help. How did you get the truck aligned
Ok, but why didnt this happen from day one, when I purchased my F350? That's what puzzles me. Why take years to have this happen now? Those castor bushing dont wear.
How can find out how much caster to give my 2010 f250 ?
Carli says 2 degree for leveled and 1 degree for 4-5" lift, If I recall correctly. I just ordered 2degree for my leveled truck
6000 miles and your CP4 went out. Did the dealer cover everything and did they give you any hassle? Asking because I just bought a new 2023 f350 with standard 6.7 and have 1600 miles on it.
Scott the HP4 went out on the white truck, the 2020 with 110k
Ok my misunderstanding, either way that’s an expensive repair bill.
Will you put in a disaster prevention kit on the new truck? That’s one of the first things I did on my SD.
What are you asking for the van
Ford death wobble has been a thing for -- well since blue oval designed a front end.
1 1/8" Nut? I believe it is a 3/4" nut which takes a 1 1/8" socket.
2023 f350
My death wobble is the worst I’ve ever experienced in 50yrs!!!!
Love the truck hate the death wobble!!!!
Yeah no, it seems you do not know what death wobble is. It is a rapid oscillation of the front end from side to side. Only occurs in linked coil spring suspensions, which the +05 SD have. The usual cause is the pan hard bar ends are worn/loose, however on my SD the tie rod ends wore out and mimicked death wobbble, the wheels could oscillate in certain situations. What you have done is slightly increase positive caster which increases the steering effort requried. The best thing you can do is keep the alighnment in Ford's specs and replace worn parts soon. The OEM joints do not have grease zerks, it is best to upgrade to aftermarket parts that are greasable.
You have to ask yourself WHY the rapid oscillation happens, that's the key. Worn linkages don't cause the oscillation, they give way to allow it to happen. Check out the other vid I did to explain the why.
@@WeCanExploreIt It is when you hit uneven bumps in the road. If the axle cannot move laterally the wobble does not, cannot, happen. An alignment is a whole lot of give and take and much of it is driver preference. There is zero issue with you getting your rides to handle like you want them to, however terminology matters. Just use a different term than 'death wobble', this is dw ruclips.net/video/ncTgYl7P_TE/видео.html
I agree 1000 percent.
@@vincentpate9144 it's a caster issue at its core plain and simple. It's cool if you don't agree, lots of people don't agree which is why there are not really any videos saying what I'm saying. Still curious if you've ever tried adding caster when you saw the death wobble come in your shop. If you didn't, aren't you a little curious to see if that would have fixed it??
I challenge you to add negative Caster. Your opinion. I made a living for 25 yrs and retired and I never fixed it with an alignment
The real fix is junk that pos and buy the chevy or gmc.
This guy is good