Would you...? ...with Spike? | Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6x18 "Entropy" | Normies Group Reaction!
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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WHAT IS ENTROPY?!!! Wrong answers below only!!!
Like a Bar Mitzvah
a disease
When a TV show packs in common tropes like two people having sex and their exes finding out unintentionally on hidden camera, it's entrope-y.
I've always thought it was something like everything imploding - like exploding in on itself because of the pressure. Thought it fit well but thank you for making me learn the real definition 🤓
Sad so many people don't know ENTROPY is DECAY, the decay of all things, ever.
Rana is going to be behind the couch by the end of the season
Or climbing the walls.
Lol, yep..
Or she's going to seriously hurt Spidey 🥴🤕
Under the couch
Ohh big time!
“Just a happy little ending”…
Me: 🙂🫠
Joss Whedon and happy endings, alrighty then.
We're in the end game now....
Ugh, this where it gets hard.
hush, now.
Next weeeek!
I cant wait
I think it was very mature of Anya to say "Don't..." to Spike when he was about to make a wish in the end scene.
cuz she finally learned vengeance doesn't solve anything for her. Maybe for some (many people?) but not for her, in that instance anyway. That's what I'VE always thought at least ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Buffy said something to Dawn last episode, when she was fully crazy, like "Why would I have slept with a vampire I hated." That's how Dawn put it together this episode.
Xander has always had issues. From his home life to the modern day. He needed therapy long ago.
To be fair, so did Anya. Why do people forget that? Haha. They were a couple put together for a reason (in the show lore).
Rana literally twisting herself in knots watching Spike and Anya get closer, and closer. (14:05)
edit: haha watching her almost climb over the back of the couch during the Anya, Xander, Spike, Buffy confrontation.
😂😂😂
Next episode is what ive been waiting for since this season started 😭. This is about to get crazy
that comments reminds me of Alley Box's incredulous reaction: "y'all love pain, don't you" 🤣
It’s the whole series…it’s the logical progression of all the developments, their own maturing, how it resembles real life in the funny, the sad, the terrifying..I love this season because it shows how “regular ppl” can be just as or more terrifying than anything we can dream up supernaturally..
Next episode is the one I always fear...
I realized they're getting close to the final four. Oh boy.
Ohhhh buddy! Ya'll might wanna buckle up lol
Cowboy Spidey slaps. 10/10. Do it again.
None of you guys can miss these last few episodes it's crucial.
Pat did his own livestream reaction to 6x19-20. He said they'll be on Patreon too. 🙂
I AGREE! YOU CAN'T MISS THE LAST COUPLE OF EPISODES. SORRY, I AM BEING LOUD ABOUT IT!!
@@swedish_malin -is his livestream on RUclips?
Entropy is the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. Everything that exists inside a system contributes to the decay of the system.
No exceptions.
Also, colloquially, it can be used semi-synonymously with chaos. Everything falls into chaos. It’s not chaos, but it’s used that way.
EVERY SINGLE EPISODE LEFT IN THIS SEASON IS FIRE AND PAIN. I CANNOT WAIT!!!😅
Comments in the previous videos: "Xander's just in his early 20s."
Xander to Anya: "Very mature."
Immature people think they are mature a lot so it makes sense he would say that🤣
@@NickiTwix Hence, the hate he gets. For many claim that leaving Anya at the altar was mature of him.
Spike doesn't do tech wizardry, to spy on those he's obsessed with. He goes old school, leering outside in the driveway smoking cigarettes, showing up conveniently where you are, the classics.
To be fair, he did commission the Buffy bot. But that would still lead back to the nerds, so I'm not sure why the Scooby gang didn't think of them at first.
@@AshleyG24601fan Right? Especially since they know said Buffy Bot Spike had commissioned was built by one of the guys that's been menacing them the entire season
He sexily lurks lol
out for a walk 😂
@@AshleyG24601fan Because Xander has an axe to grind.
The fact that xander gets more hate from the fandom for getting cold feet at his wedding than willow does for mind raping her girlfriend is still crazy to me.
Or what Spike does next episode
Honestly I can understand why. The show doesn't call out what Willow did for what it is so I think a lot of viewers don't realise how messed up it was. I think maybe the writers themselves didn't realise. Also a huge part of the fandom loves Willow and Tara together so I think they ignore this part of their storyline as a result.
Willow physically raped her too. I don't get how everyone still loves her.
I think it's because Tara forgives her, so the audience feels like they have permission to as well.
Xander doesn't reflect on his actions. Everyone else does. That is a problem in the writing of Xander that makes the audience harp on him more. Souless Spike reflects on his actions more than Xander does.
The season is just a tsunami of utter misery from this point on, isn't it
From this point on ? lol
All the way through
Not the censoring of Chris's scissoring!
One more to go. Rana's gonna have to be pulled from the ceiling after the next episode.
Cecily IS Halfrek, so at some point after she knew William (Fool for Love S4) she became a demon. Anya mentioned Halfrek had a "thing" for helping kids (like when Dawn made the wish) who are in unhappy home situations. Anya's "specialty" was wronged women. I think one of the graphic novels explains it more but I can't recall which one. ✌🏻
Actually the GN had her already a demon. As soon as William runs away, she grants his wish to have all those party guests get killed.
I thought she was a demon even back then and there's theories that that's why she hurt him by not caring at all
She is, but she isn't Cecily. In the Season 7 premiere, Halfrek says, "listen, Anya. I know I've always been a little competitive with you. I mean, there was that thing in the Crimean War. We laugh about it now. But the fact is, I've actually always looked up to you. You were the single-most hard-core vengeance demon on the roster, and everybody knew it. Do I have to mention Mrs. Cholgash?
The Crimean War took place from 1853 to 1856. Cecily and William were shown together as humans in 1880.
@@alexh8613 yeah, so she was already a demon when she was pretending to be Cecily
It's in the Spike omnibus
RIP Donald Sutherland. I won't spoil anything from seasons 6 and 7 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Awww 😢 RIP
Anyone remember Jessy? Zanders best friend who got turned into a vampire in season one.
Vampires have been messing his life up for years.
Buffy dealt w/ vampires way before Xander & Willow. Even went to a mental hospital. When's the last time in this show did any of the characters mention Jesse anyway?
To be fair, it doesn't seem like Xander remembers Jesse
i'm so nervous for the next one lol
17:58-19:05 Rana's face the entire time 😂
Halfrek(the Vengeance Demon) and Cecily (the woman who scorned Spike) are the same person.
I liked this season, it was them dealing with grown up issues and not childish issues anymore outside of the supernatural. These last episodes of this season are awesome, can't wait to see y'alls reaction. I always saw this season as you in your 20s and the next season is in your 30s. Dealing with much bigger issues supernatural and a reality check for them in the next season.
dealing with grown up issues in the most childish ways
@@kant12which is what most 21 year olds do.
@@Daniel-zs4ww funny how Cordelia ends up being the mature one of the group.
By the next Buffy watch…
Andrew (Tom Lenk) was in Cabin of the Woods -he played one of the scientists in the betting pool. He was in the 2nd episode of the season 5 . He is one of Harmony's minions. He gets dusted by Buffy when he insists on touching Dawn. Dawn warns him not to touch her or my sister will kill you.
We've done it. Next week begins the final 4 of season 6.
"Xander should be on Fresh and Fit" 😂😂😂
There's a comic tie in that explains how Cecily and Halfrek are the same person
Did Chris really say that Buffy left Spike for silly reason??!! REALLY??!! I can’t with him!
Well next episode will remind him
@@ninipookie I feel like that was a constant issue with the audience regarding Spike, which is why Whedon + co. went overboard with the reminders, some might say.
People get this idea in their head that Spike is a good guy now, because he's not actively trying to murder everyone. They completely overlook the fact he spends the season gaslighting, manipulating, and taking advantage of a depressed and emotionally broken woman for his own selfish needs, contributing to her depression and pain and not caring because he's getting what he wants. In fact, they think it's *good* for her and never listen when she says otherwise.
Maybe the next episode will help them see. But, maybe not. Because a lot of S6 Spuffy fans tend to complain it's "out of character" despite being exactly the same thing he's been doing _all season._
I always compare Spike to Vegeta from the Freeza to end of Cell Saga. People are surprised other characters don't like them or only keep them around for convenience (in universe he's a good extra hand when he's actually cooperating, out of universe he's too popular to let die). People also think it's inconsistent or bad writing whenever they do something that reminds the audience they aren't really good guys.
Ya the problem with the fan base regarding spike is that James marsters does such a good job playing him that a lot of people like to ignore the negative things he does to Buffy because they love spike so much. That’s not being objective though lol I love spike too but both he AND Buffy were at fault he manipulated her and she used him and discarded him like garbage so neither were in the right. However I do also think the other side of the fan base that never even gives spike a crumb of a chance to redeem himself for what he does next episode is also unfair. Believe me I understand rape is no matter to be taken lightly and no one should ever have to experience something like that but to be fair spike didn’t have his soul so he technically was still a”evil demon” so to never even give him a chance after he gets his soul back and tries to become a better man is a bit too far in my opinion but again when it comes to rape people are going to have very strong opinions as it’s such a sensitive topic to discuss.
I find it interesting that no one has an empathy for Xander. Yet, people had empathy for Spike, a literal murderer, when he was being used by Buffy. Imagine finding out your ex-fiancée and best friend slept with a literal serial killer who has harmed you and friends on multiple occasions. I admit that Xander leaving Anya at the altar is trash but I think people forget that Xander is at most 22 years old, so yeah he’s going to be dumb. It feels like a lot of people are demonizing him and acting like he’s the biggest POS on the show when others have done far worse.
I’m not liking this season of Buffy maybe because all of the suffering and trauma condensed so close together in this season. Other seasons have had it but it’s been more spread out. It’s so bleak. It comes off as Misery porn.
Btw this isn’t directed at you guys specifically. It’s what I’ve seen generally online from the fandom. All love. #SundayRundown
I think the problem is how entitled Xander acts. He left Anya at the altar and then tries to shame and belittle her for basically living her life. She can sleep with whoever she wants now, yet he believes he has an opinion over it and acts as if he owns her. He takes it so personally as if Anya's world revolves around him. If you forget about it being Spike and think about it, Xander literally went out to murder the guy Anya has slept with. A bit over the top considering he left her. He's been like this since season 1 though. Constantly putting his opinion in and acting like he knows better. It's exhausting. At least with Spike, you know he's evil so you don't expect any better from him.
@@cherryfreckleWtf are you talking about? Anya spend the first half of the episode trying to kill xander. The first time we see how the chip works in spike is when he was going to murder willow in her dorm room. Spike is not "a guy" he is a monster. Why do people feel so horny for him that they can admit it, just because they like him. Xander is 20 years old. He acted irrationally and inmature, but don't act like he would have try to kill a human, even if it was warren, if he was the one who slept with anya..
Sounds like you've forgotten that Xander's fiance is ALSO a literal serial killer, with a larger body count than Spike's by a crap ton, and she had her soul the entire time too....and would literally reminisce fondly over her work as a human while with Xander. ....That's who Xander is in love with and has chosen as a partner. He's a complete hypocrite
@@cherryfreckle I agree with everything you said about Xander. My problem is people don’t keep the same energy for other characters that do bad or worse such as Spike.
@@spikesecho724 Yeah he is a hypocrite, but my point is I don’t see people going as hard on other characters for their actions/behavior.
Make sure you watch the opening credits next episode! They finally give a much needed spotlight to someone who deserved to be in the credits a while back.
👀
#SUNDAYRUNDOWN watching back these episodes its wild that there isn't more discussion from the fans about the morality of Anya if shes a demon is she a person etc etc, the focus always seems to be Spike and you never see the same energy directed at Anya its actually pretty wild.
I think S6 really highlights that a couple of characters get a lot of grace in regards to their actions and other characters carry the burden of heavy criticism.
What a nice ending to a sad episode. Nothing could ruin the positive vibes of that moment. NOTHING. AT. ALL. 😏
I understand the couches hate for Xander but why should he respect Spike, Spike has tried to kill all of the crew and I’m not sure he’s done too much to repent for what he’s done. He’s also not good by his own will and even with the chip that’s holding him back he’s tried to go back to being a villain whenever he see’s opportunity.
I would think that Spike fighting by their side the entire time Buffy was gone and the willingness to leave Spike with Dawn by everyone in the group would have done something.
But I guess Xander only really liked Oz and Captain Cardboard, but those were more worship, because they were cool in a way that he could never be./
It’s like they forgot the episode where Spike tied Buffy up and threatened to let Drucilla kill her if she didn’t say he had a shot.
.....Anya has tried to kill them all, and Xander literally went to prom with her WEEKS after her last attempt to kill them all and re-become a demon. That's who he chose for a romantic relationship. Don't be a hypocrite.
Xander might not have had the 'Right' to be angry, but his response was entirely human. People don't think or act rationally under emotional stress.
Be interesting to see what they make of THAT scene in the next episode.
@@austinseven4720 if that is the case, is okay if other people have an entirely human reaction towards Xander and not accept his faults as okay?
Yes Xander talked to Anya and still cared about her. But they were not still together anymore. No obligation to be "faithful" anymore
In Xander's mind they were still in a relationship but "on the rocks" - he thought he had hurt her, and she was punishing him, but he still wanted to be with her and he assumed the same about her. He was delusional.
@MikeSDoug94 that is what you got from that scene? Then why get mad at Buffy, she had already had sex with a Vampire before?
In Xander’s mind, they were still together, she was just pissed at him, but he was sure he could win her back to where they were dating again.
It’s basically that old saying about the river in Egypt.
@@RLucas3000 I think the problem I have because I can't speak for anyone else, is that I don't care what is going on in Xander's mind.
Xander was the only one who got to make an independent choice in this matter he has to allow everyone else that same opportunity.
@RLucas30Uh00 Uh didn't Anya in this very Episode ask Xander if he still wanted to get married, that does indicated that the relationship isnt over so Xander wasn't wrong to think they could work it out bc ppl who have truly broken up do not ask that period.
I totally can see Chris in the sweater!
I can see Chris or Pat pulling that sweater off.
While the Trio set it up, they didn't set this up.
I'd say no one, with the exception of Buffy cause her trauma is so different from everyone else's, is okay this season in terms of how they handle adult situations. Buffy on a fundamental level was broken when she came back and didn't want to be alive. She entered into a toxic tryst with Spike that has no soul and would not hesitate to kill all of her friends if it meant He could have her all to himself. She knew that and it wasn't till later she knew it was not healthy, left and has been trying to get back into life.
Xander, while what he did is messed up, came back to try and explain to Anya but it went poorly and he more or less just came back and acted like nothing happened last episode. Anya is saying she doesn't owe him anything and that it wasn't vengeance but whos really gonna believe that when this whole episode she kept going to his friends and trying to get back at Xander even when he was trying to talk and own up to what he had done, which I get because she was left at the alter but we've seen she clearly does not deal with human interaction. While Spike did this to blow up Buffy's life by fucking with her friends...again. And it's clear that Anya knows she messed up doing this as she's clearly sad and ashamed of it after.
I'm also surprised you guys are going "Well, Buffy told Spike he can tell people". She said to go for it because Spike was clearly gonna use that to create tension and drama by blackmail which he did just this episode going "it was good for Buffy". You guys are gonna be in for an upset when it hits you that SPIKE IS A MONSTER WITH NO SOUL!
Xander is being literal and right when he calls him a "Soulless Monster" cause that's what he is. Xander has no reason to like him, care about him, or treat him with dignity because Spike has tried to kill them on multiple occasions. A chip doesn't suddenly make him good, it just makes him fang-less against people, and that doesn't change no matter how many nice or romantic things he says to Buffy or if they've been fighting for a year. That doesn't out way seasons 2 - 4 or 5 where he committed murder, mayhem and a litany of other things.
We get it. When you break down Xander's relationship with Anya it's pretty toxic. And looking at it from this perspective does make Xander look really bad. But we're also talking about the comic relief of the show.
Much of the hate on Xander is coming from the comedy. "He's always correcting her & saying she's wrong" yeah, that was the bit. She's a "fish out of water" character so he has to explain why things are done a certain way & in their back & forth on the subject the show is able to satire issues.
Yes, part of the story is that Xander is just kind of lost & not being the best version of himself. And I think THAT's why I find the Xander hate coming from the couch to be annoying. But it is also telling on how society can be so easy to hate on a man when they would give a woman the benefit of doubt.
Seriously, just gender bend the situation and ask yourself....would you be SOOOOOOOOOOO vitriol in what you've been saying about Xander if were Alexandria? I mean we gotta take EVERYTHING into account. Xander's only other relationship being more like a fling with Cordelia. Xander's trauma of having to kill his best friend that turned into a vampire & created his core personality trait of hating vampires with a passion. Having a rough upbringing.
I feel like if that were a woman we'd be a lot more understanding about wanting to hold off on marriage. We'd be like "yeah girl, you need to be on your own & learn to love yourself before you can love someone else for the rest of your life". But whenever a man is in that situation it's all like "don't be a pv$$y, be a man about it and step up at once, this is all your fault".
Yes, he could've done things better. But damn, can we have SOME compassion for a PERSON going through some stuff? And yes, maybe the show could've done a better job with the Xander/Anya stuff. But again, there's only so much time you can give to the comic reliefs for more than comedy.
My Sweet Summer Children,
It's truly wild seeing how calm the couch crew is at this moment....knowing that an out of control 18-wheeler is about to smash through that wall sending Funkos flying everywhere & sending the crew into utter chaos.
I believe this was Wheedon's attempt at the Slow Burn format. This season hasn't really gone anywhere. If anything, everyone has almost regressed in their lives. The Big Bad has been some boring sorry nerds that need to get some hobbies. It's without a doubt the slowest season of Buffy...and it was a choice.
This is why this season is pretty divisive. The message boards at the time were filled with "Angel is so much better" and I get it. Buffy was a little too real with the theme of "sometimes life is the Big Bad" and many viewers (especially with SciFi/Fantasy) are looking to escape. They don't wanna be reminded of their shitty jobs by seeing Buffy dealing with a shitty job cause even bills gotta get paid in her universe too.
But I appreciate where they took Buffy. It was a gamble and it would've failed miserably if the shit doesn't hit the fan in the next episode. But Joss and the others had the balls to go where they do. And it was pretty impactful for the times too. Not something you'd really see on Network TV.
Anya can do whatever she wants romantically, including Spike, but I was done with her after she spent the first half of the episode trying to get Xander's friends to accidentally murder him for revenge.
The fact that Xander's petty jealousy is a bigger deal than attempted murder to people just... really blows my mind.
People piss me off with their attitude to Xander, and not just the Normies. Like Xander did something horrible, but the fact that people are okay with her trying to have him killed for it it ridiculous. Also people surprised that Xander is pissed that Anya slept with Spike. If you upset your other half and she runs off and bangs someone you loathe, within a couple days, people expect him to be all "its okay I deserved that" like what?!
@MikeSDoug94 Jealousy would honestly be better. He doesn't have a right to get angry just because she had sex with Spike, even though he doesn't have a soul.
@@sdagoth3037 Yes, he does have a right to get angry because of that. Same as Anya has a right to have sex with Spike. Especially since they're both demons now.
@MikeSDoug94 *of course* it was jealousy, are you kidding?? I know he had a dig at Spike towards the end of the conversation, but he also went off on Anya before that, accusing her of all sorts of things: he basically accused her of sleeping with Spike in order to punish him. In this whole show he is never a bigger dick than in that moment.
Yet Riley is unforgivable because he got suck jobs XD Yeah Willow and Anya's actions are grossly overlooked this season.
Andrew was the intern who won the betting pool in "Cabin in the Woods".
This crew’s perception of the characters at this point is so off base. These fools really need Seeing Red to get their heads right. Teach them some perspective.
There's is refreshingly on-base, actually
@@spikesecho724 Sure, hating on the trauma-raised 20 year old whose girl (who he is not broken up with, just didn't marry) fucks the murdering, soulless demon who has repeatedly tried to murder them and only hasn't because the military shoved a technological leash up his ass. Sure. And I'm a Spike-lover, favorite character, but I have no illusions about his true nature. The Normies' take on this is exactly why an episode like Seeing Red had to be written.
remember when this was on TV and we all said that Tara was "the fat one"?
Remember when this show was fun, and people were happy
Pepperidge Farms remembers
19:42: Joker “And here we go”
I think this will be the redemption arc for the nerds.
15:20 dude, Buffy left him for the right reason: she doesn't Iove him. she has the world's worstdepression and she was using him for some comfort.
Oh sweet summer child… they’re happy about Tara and willow rn
The first thing Buffy said to her old watcher in LA was 'oh, I totally didn't mean to steal that' so Dawn being a klepto is justified.
Normies LOVE soap opera moments😂
Rana was like a Deer in headlights! 🤣🤣🤣
Spidey got the knuckles motif
I know that with filming you guys have already gone past the next couple, so I can say I actually had tears when you guys were so happy about Willow and Tara being together again..no matter how many times I’ve seen it, this series is so rewarding.. Buy organic grass fed half and half for your coffee..the higher the fat content the longer it lasts in the fridge, but I like the little containers because they stay fresher that way.
Entropy is a great name for the episode here. We can see the Season collapsing into complete randomness and disorder created by past events. The Anya/Xander meeting is so awkward, when she asks him again about getting married, he still can't commit, and Anya continues the pressure, this looks like the final straw, he keeps telling her he loves her but this isn't enough. Interesting comedy bits when Anya approaches Willow, Tara, Buffy and Dawn about hating men, and she says to Tara and Willow 'what kind of lesbians are you'. She realises that the Scoobies will never turn against Xander. A great dramatic conversation with Spike and Buffy when he tells her to 'get out' he says it with such venom we just know things have now changed. Halfrek of course obviously a bad influence on Anya who thinks Spike could be an ally. Once Spike and Anya get drunk, we inevitably see what is going to happen ( a true life reflection again, as many times this randomly happens once alcohol is involved ). Willow of course is trying to find the source of the cameras, but boy are they in for a surprise. Strangely we can see Buffy is actually hurt watching Spike have sex with Anya, he has kept her secret up until now, but as he has now totally rejected Buffy lets it out to Xander and Anya. Xander just cannot believe this is happening all at once, but that is the Entropy. Now the whole 'can of worms' has been opened, and the Entropy that is Pandora's Box' cannot be closed.
Sad news: Actor Donald Sutherland has died. 😢💔
I have a theory that Halfrek was summoned by Spike because HE was scorned by some other woman. But he's a hopeless romantic so he immediately falls in love with "Hallie" and she's like "omg, just make your wish already!".
I thought Halfrek specified that she was a vengeance demon for neglected children so that wouldn’t work with the theory. Also that would suck if that was the case since Cecily said he was beneath her.
@@danimoorehead Maybe she only recently decided children were better to help, because she did criticize Anya for only helping women and said she should branch out.
19:04 I feel bad for Anya like "how long have they been fu--king??"
Two things. One, it does make sense for 'em to think of Spike when they find the gnome camera. He's used the Trio for tech supply before, most notably the bufffybot.
Also, no empathy for xander on Anya seeking some comfort with Spike. But some for him realizing how Spike has been manipulating Buffy, messing with her mind. No spoilers, but after the season is over note how theres a rhythym to Spike & Warren doing similiar things, and with Warren its creepy, but with Spike the audience sees it as edgy and attractive in that bad boy way.
Oh we still on the “F” Xander train after he had an entire alternate timeline where he ends up murdering the love of his life downloaded directly into his brain with no time to process it.
And even after knowing it was all fake, he still ran off on her and then expected her to just sit there and wait for him to come back to her.
@@ms_scribblesIt didn’t feel fake to him. The “vision” ended as “future” him had just done the unimaginable. Buffy literally went through the same thing a week later and no one is batting an eye on how she processed it. Could he have handled it better? Sure, but he definitely didn’t deserve that much hate. At best it’s hypocritical, at worst it says he should have just toughened up, been a man, and repressed this traumatic thing that happened to him on what was supposed to be the happiest day of his life.
@@ExMalakiteOMG yes! And why does it be fake matter fr. This is Buffy where that easily could've been real and as if people CAN'T experience something that effects them deeply on a traumatic level. The only thing that's fake is the impersonation, Xander's fears and traumas are definitely real along with the demon's hatred of Anya to the point of fucking up her marriage. He literally got genjutsu-d
@@ms_scribblesYeah it's called "being traumatized"
Next week -towards the end of the episode --all hell is going to break loose. That is all I will say
R.i.P Donald Sutherland the orginal Giles.
He played Merrick in the film.
don't worry dude that is because the older sibling is carrying a lot of weight through life the younger sibling lives pretty much carefree and basically lives more recklessly. Xander brave enough to wield a battle axe but not to marry anya. Xander has had a grudge against vampires since episode one when they turned his best friend and he had to kill him.
this season 6 will start with the next episode.... be ready, think outside the box, and prepare yourself to cry A LOT!!!! ^^
Xander isn't right, but he's also not *wrong.* He didn't break up with Anya, he just didn't want to marry her _right then._ He still wants to be with her, have a relationship with her, and marry her *some* day. So, yeah, he hurt her horribly and messed up terribly but he still wants to make things work. Thus, her sleeping with Spike - so soon after the wedding and while he's still trying to fix things - is going to *hurt.*
But he should have told her that he wanted to be with her at the altar and not just leave her at the altar. For all his bravery against vampires and other things that go bump in the night, Xander's chicken shit when it comes to his family.
Fuck Zander and his bruised ego. He publicly humiliated Anya on the biggest day of her life. If fucking Spike let her feel better for a millisecond so be it.
I’m glad you’re laughing this much during this episode cause for sure you’re not gonna laugh on the next one
Xander's antipathy towards vampires began from season one episode two, because his friend was turned and Xander staked him. I don't think the show ever addressed that loss. Not that I'm saying what Xander did was right, but I'm pretty sure he has never forgiven vampires for killing his friend. Add on the whole shit with Angel/Angelus, and his jealousy re: Buffy...
Only Xander has NEVER lost sight of the fact that if that chip was not there then Spike would murder everyone in cold fucking blood.....but no Blondie Bear gets a fucking pass.....yes Xander brought this on but 2 wrongs don't make a right,what Spike did with Buffy and Anya was far more damaging to Xander than any pathetic wish
Xander was also almost killed by Spike in S3, so even ignoring the chip and how "soft" Spike became from S4 onward, Xander has kept a consistent grudge. He also never seems to soften towards the vampires in Buffy's life.
I feel like Xander's character flaws are too realistic for a lot of people. It's really weird. That's why I love him, he's such a well rounded character
Ooohhhh.... we're almost there....
I will say that I can understand everyone’s frustrations with Xander. His is fueled by his self-loathing, insecurities, and fear of becoming his father. The vision that he saw on his wedding day was all of his inner fears being exposed like a raw nerve. He basically saw himself in a mirror and hated the man that stared back at him: a clone of his father. Xander hurt Anya, but he truly meant to spare her long-term heartache by ripping the band-aid off in the short-term.
As annoying as Xander can be, I do appreciate that the writers have constructed a believably flawed character. They aren’t afraid to make their characters be unlikable and expose their vulnerabilities. This doesn’t mean they always hit it out of the park as I do still have problems with Xander. But I do like that they were willing to go to those lengths and let the audience decide how they feel.
I don't know if Xander is believably flawed as he double down on those flaws. According to JW, who's not exactly a paragon of virtue nowadays, Xander is an extension of him, a self-hating teen with lousy parents and a bad education experience who feels the cutest girls should swoon over him instead of hunky guys, let alone vampires. That's disturbing because JW, when he wrote the pilot episode, wasn't a teen. He was an grown ass adult, but, like Xander, he didn't deal with his troubles in a healthy manner and fell into his own escapism.
I'm glad these videos are weeks passed on Patreon, though even some of those comments are horrible with alluding towards things that as of this recording, they haven't seen yet.
I just wish commentors would keep things to themselves, not to ruin surprises, think if they just watched and released this and saw half of the comments... now suddenly they know something big is coming. Keep it to yourself people, stop ruining it for reactors.
In this episode's case, entropy is a lack of order and a decline into disorder.
Sadly, if Xander had just listened to what Anya said when he proposed he would still be dating her. He wasn't ready and she knew it, but he convinced her he was and then got cold feet and expected things to go back to them being fine when he didn't talk to her after leaving her at the alter. Xander fans shouldn't have to wonder why non-fans don't like him. It isn't the negative actions (although they don't help) themselves. It's how he reacts to them.
Some examples: 1. Xander asking Buffy out only to react by saying, "I guess a guy's gotta be undead to make time with you" before asking Willow out as a backup knowing he doesn't feel that way and she does, when Buffy doesn't return his feelings. 2. Placing a spell on Cordelia in reaction to her having issue of old vs new friends. 3. Yelling at Buffy, instead of talking to her, every time she disagrees with his opinions. 4. Cheating on Cordelia with Willow and then saying, "We didn't do anything wrong," only to afterwards start bullying her the way she did in S1 towards everyone. 5. Waiting until Buffy and Riley imploded before saying "I told you so," when he overheard Riley say Buffy doesn't love him two and a half months in advance of saying "I told you so" to her. 6. Say he was going to spend more time with Buffy, only to focus more on wedding plans, then leave Anya at the alter. Thus not helping Buffy in the healthy way he mentioned in _Tabula Rasa_ and also leave Anya at the alter and acting like he does in this episode towards Anya and Buffy when he didn't like the way they were handling their issues of depression and being left at the alter.
These are only a few examples. All characters have moments of negative actions and reactions. Xander has more than most characters. All characters also have reactions that allow a forgiveness from the audience and/or other characters. Xander has incredibly few. As much as I dislike what he does, I understand Xander's issues, including the cold feet in _Hells Bells._ What I dislike, is his negative reactions to his undelt with issues. They only cause more issues afterwards.
He even has the same problem here as Willow had towards him in _Innocence_ when she discovered he was with Cordelia. What I mean by that is if Xander and Willow in _Innocence_ and this episode want to feel hurt, they have that right, but Willow taking it out on Xander when she has heard him say he was never interested in her, and Xander left Anya at the alter show anything, it is that others (in this case Anya and in _Innocence's_ case Xander) have a right to move on or be with someone who isn't the hurt individual. Xander taking it out on Spike because he's angry at Anya is not OK. I prefer the way Buffy handled it (which showed the audience that emotionally she is now doing better since Riley came to town). She told Spike it hurt her to see him with Anya (not in those exact words, but when they faced each other after Xander left from attempting vengeance), but she didn't get angry. The tone was a little negative, but it wasn't portraying anger. Anya telling Spike not to wish (which he wasn't thinking about on word choice) makes her the better person in dealing with her issues over Xander who still isn't. Spike and Buffy leave this episode off in a healthier place towards each other than they have been since the musical. They also still have a lot of issues to go, though. And Spike is still soulless. He wasn't entirely being with Anya to move on from Buffy. Despite not knowing he and Anya had been watched he wasn't sad or upset it happened and welcomed Buffy knowing, even if she reacted as she did. Mickey's gas can metaphor was a perfect example. All four characters still have a lot to talk about, and a long way to go towards healing. The episode was named Entropy for a reason. Not because of the conclusion to the episode, but because of the first 2/3'rds of it.
I love that The Normies said they had no sympathy for Xander. Everything they stated about him is so true.
Buffy said to Dawn in _Normal Again,_ like Why would I sleep with a vampire I hate?" That's how Dawn put it together.
The idea that the other fifth grade kids Micky was talking about could get away with it by the second one asking what ("Que") when the first kid said "Fa" would make that situation even more funny.
Anyone who tries to tell me Xander ever got over what he claimed was love for Buffy, I wouldn't believe them. The dream at the end of S4 showed his love language is still confused horny scholboy who is in denial about his real relationship with Buffy vs finding her attractive. And it shows in evwry romantic relationship he's ever had.
The reason they are slowly dealing with things is because Riley, whether he meant to or not, pulled Buffy from her depressive state. So now despite the Xander Entropy, other situations are getting better because Buffy is no longer depressed.
everybody hating sander and loving spike right now... lets see how much does it last!
They'll figure out some mental gymnastics to forgive Spike of everything lol
That's Evan Williams bourbon, baby. The best cheap stuff.
I actually like Angel!! It's such a good series. You guys should give it a shot.
One thing it has that Buffy doesn't is Angelus, and Cordelia's storyline! Also Fred and Wesley!
Well a tip of the🎩 back at you cowboy Spidey (🍻 Sarsaparilla..)
18:53 "Don't feel bad Anya!"
Me: Well... getting revenge on people never does what you think it is supposed to do (aka feel "good"). Hence... Anya NOT wanting Spike to make a wish, because she saw how much she hurt Xander. And in reverse, Xander learned (rightly so) how much he REALLY hurt Anya and lost her respect/admiration/trust/etc (of him). But people always forget, Xander and Anya are FOILS for one another. They are different but if you take a breath and zoom in, they're kinda not. Both act on how THEY think the world should work, people should feel, and to hell with people's boundaries/needs. They don't consider other people's feelings/POV. This episode is the explosion of two toxic people dating. This episode is tragic but not because I feel sorry for EITHER, but because reactors tend to think this is a Right/Wrong scenario and its just... SOOOOO not. It's harsh truth. But we hate Xander forever so never mind what I'm even saying LOL
I love Cowboy Spidey! He's like a secret alter ego and I'm all for it
Damm these reactors are anoying last few eps😂
oh you poor summer children...
Oh you poor Summers children....
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Next episode is really hard for everyone. Wish you all the best.
Team Anya all the way. I love all the things she told Xander, I was like Go Anya.
next episode is gonna traumatize your existence
This season is about the transition from adolescence to adulthood. Buffy's death was the end of innocence and her resurrection at the beginning of the season was the start of adulthood. High school everything was super scary and life or death. Now the problems are internal. Giles left, and without wise mature guidance, everyone dealt with their problems in the worst way and showed their worst selves. Addiction, depression, loneliness, rejection, fear of the future, trauma, heartbreak...all everyday non monster issues that the gang dealt with horribly. Even the nerd Trio are symbolic of childish boyhood power fantasies. When viewed in a mature context, it's just misogynistic, creepy toxic incel behavior that seemed okay when they were kids. And each one represents a stage of maturing from that state. Jonathan is growing out of it, Andrew is a lemming who just wants to feel important and fit in and Warren is a pure misogynist. And you can trace their development back to theie first appearances. Except Andrew bcuz he's was the unseen brother of the prom night villain. Season 6 is the gang at their worst and is right their with season 2 and 3 in terms of quality imo. Most people rank this as their least favorite season but not me.
Edit: regarding the Cecily/Halfrek debate. Some of us believe Cecily was already a vengence demon when she met Spike and she was answering the pain from Spike's mother to get rid of him bcuz he was such a mama's boy. ((((SPOILER ALERT))))
Halfrek will be shown with Anya as vengence demons in the past but long before Spike was born (Spike's around 150 y/o during BTVS) during the French revolution. Could be a continuity error but considering how far the show was plotted in advanced, it's not likely an error.
28:35 oof 😬
I don't understand how the entire couch is acting brand new on this. I'm not a xander fan, but they can't understand how bad a rebound can't make you feel, if your ex hooks up with a friend, or someone you hate? After she try to indirectly kille you? I swear, they have a big boner for spike, they just want to live the fantasy through anya and buffy
He should've married Anya then.
@theFILMaDDICT16 yeah, probably. But what that has to do with what i said. Spike is still a soulless monster, and a grapist. I don't like xander, but it seems you spike groupies based all your opinions on defending your precious bran of a serial killer
I have my own opinions on Spike's story which is long but all I'm saying is what they're feeling is justifiable. They're just expressing their frustrations with the writers for choosing this route for their favorite characters that's all. Which in my opinion wasn't necessary.
@theFILMaDDICT16 yeah, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But they clearly don't like any of the characters in the show anymore. They complain about every stupid decision they made, like they don't have 20 years years old, but spike... no, he is the best, he does nothing wrong, like he haven't try to kill everyone in the show. But you know what? Good for them
How could Chris possibly think the show wants us to side with Xander? The show frames him as the literal villiain of the episode, causing the final fight and acting as the aggressor of the episode's climax. It's illustrating him as a damn mess at his absolute bottom as a human being.
Such a great reaction. Loved how wild it made you.
But this is just the start of the rollercoaster. Next episode is WILD (there will be a lot of talk and it’s gonna be controversial). Next few episodes will be so good to watch. One of the all time great punch the air moments coming up. Emotional final. Can’t wait.
Xander doesn't deserve the hating he gets from the couch. They just can't grasp what brings all of his insecurities throughout life.
28:40 amazing.
Eeeeep. Here we goooooo, until the finale
Normies: “We get a little happy ending this episode”
Me internally knowing what’s coming: 🥴
NEXT EPISODE NOW! Please 😅
next one is ....fun....
Team Xander forever!