I was LITERALLY JUST debating this with a good friend of mine this morning. He is in the post trib/pre-wrath camp... and insists Mat 24 is same as Thess Rapture. Thank you LORD for answering my prayers w a Gene Kim scripture with scripture, explanation of this VERY thing! What are the chances? (No chance because its GOD!) Just pray he will listen with open ears/heart! TY Father, Thanks Pastor GK!
Pastor I so appreciate your love for the truth...The cult christians here in Austria they hate it to be corrected in their wrong bible teachings . It's not different than convincing a roman Catholic that he is in a cult. I pray everyday that JESUS gives me a humble heart and that HE may continue to allow correction if I am wrong in any point..But there a so few that LOVE the absolute truth of Gods Word. Thank you so much for all your efforts Mr. Gene Kim.
Dr Kim, I want to know more about inheritance in heaven. Not necessarily what we will receive (which I am sure will be great) but more things in life that we can do in order to obtain gifts in heaven. I have already seen your videos on the 5 crowns and the "struggling to serve god? Two greatest secrets" video. If you have already produced another video on this subject would you please be so kind as to direct me to it, or perhaps consider making a video in the future elaborating on this topic further. Perhaps the videos I mentioned earlier are all there is to say. Sorry for posting this comment which is unrelated to the current video however I do want to serve and live for God more and no longer life a wishy-washy life where I am still chasing after material goods and worldly titles. God Bless and thank you for running this online ministry, I have been learning so much in the past few days. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for your response, i found it helpful. Currently in the process of looking for a good church, trying a new one again this Sunday. I am going to start watching your discipleship videos in the near future. God bless.
Hodge Podge Find all of your answers in the words of Jesus. He tells us the truth - that we will be REWARDED according to our WORKS. What works? Mathew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall REWARD every man according to his works. Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your REWARD shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. So this means: 1. love ye your enemies 2. do good 3. and lend be kind to the unthankful and evil Matthew 5:11-12 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your REWARD in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Mathew 5:44-48 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.46 For if ye love them which love you, what REWARD have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Mathew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no REWARD of your Father which is in heaven. 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their REWARD. Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall REWARD thee openly. Mathew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their REWARD. Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall REWARD thee openly. Mathew 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their REWARD Matthew 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall REWARD thee openly.
Hodge Podge Hey, don't mean to bud in but I'd like to suggest something I do that I believe is pleasing to God. When I'm on other channels and see atheist try to explain that there is no God with "science" ,history or "logic" or when there's similar blasphemous talk, i attach a relatable link and foward them to Pastor Kim. Ive been doing this since he had 30k subscribers and hes at 75k now so it works. I'm not the only one I'm sure. We can help bring them to the truth. Let them argue with him lol. By the grace of God he knows bible better than most so hes the perfect candidate for a debate. I think he'll be up for the challenge 😅he is the best! By the grace of God of course!
And make sure whatever you do for God you for with the motive cuz that will be a crucial fact at The Judgement Seat of Christ. Make sure when you do some good work like soulwinning to do it from the heart and for the glory of God, that should be the mindset and the rewards will come. If your first motive is rewards instead of the glory of God then i think that doesn't get you any reward actually.
‘For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.’ 2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV We receive gifts at the judgement seat of Christ (after the rapture(this is not the white throne)) wether good or bad works, we don’t loose our salvation, we gain rewards for good works and loose rewards for bad works.
overtcovert almost 800 earthquakes today. I started watching them 3 yrs ago and they went from like 80 to 100 a day to 100 to 120 them started getting up to 200 then this last year they been off the chain
I have literally NEVER heard of a mid tribulation rapture. Why anyone would even teach that is odd. There's no such thing as a mid- tribulation rapture.
Leslie Kendall yeah that's weird. It clearly says in 1 Thessalonians that God's wrath isn't appointed for His people. There's a pre tribulation rapture of the church for the wedding and then Jesus comes for those who believed during the tribulation at His second coming.
Oh and 1 other thing... would you be open to debating a very large Hebrew Roots, Post Trib Ministry? (Almost 100k subs).. YOU were born for this Pastor GK! This truth needs to be settled and end this rapture divide in the church!!! Let me know! One of their top guys is an ex-dispensationalist and is very well versed in KJV. Please end this! Let me know. God bless in Jesus name
Post tribulation rapture makes no sense. Scripture clearly states that Jesus will bring his bride (the church) with him for the battle of Armageddon, which is AFTER the tribulation. How can we be raptured mid or post tribulation if we're coming with him? Pre trib rapture is the only logical doctrine.
The midtrib rapture view is the belief that the rapture occurs at the middle. The pretrib rapture view is the belief that the rapture occurs before the tribulation (I believe in the pretrib rapture, even though I sometimes lean towards a prewrath rapture view). The prewrath rapture view is the belief that the rapture occurs sometime after the abomination of desolation, but before the 7 vials are poured out. The posttrib rapture view is the belief that rapture is after the tribulation.
My mom was here this weekend and she refuses to believe in a pre trib rapture. She says only a post trib and that we the Christians are the tribulation saints. I couldn't convince her otherwise. She watches Osteen and Prinze and the 700 club. I showed her your videos and she didn't understand them. It started a fight almost. Any advice?
Schatzeliebe your Mom is already saved right? So whether she believes pre or post, it won't affect her salvation. The good news is once you and your mom was raptured, you can say to her "I told you". :) Just continue to encourage each other with prayers. But if you want to really convince her. Show her Revelation 3:10 "Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth." Also the parallels between Noah and Enoch. Enoch was Raptured prior to the Flood but Noah has to endure it. The Israelites will be protected in Petra just like Noah protected by the Ark. The Bible identifies Bozrah (Hebrew), or Petra (Greek), as one of the significant areas during the end times. Prophetic passages like Micah 2:12 and Isaiah 63:1-6 describe the area of Petra in Jordan as the place where Jews flee when the Antichrist begins persecution. It is where they remain safely protected by God during the Great Tribulation. Hope it helps. GOD bless us all. MARANATHA!!!
BBC International thank you so much!! She used to believe in pre trib rapture until she started watching Pastor Arnold Murray form Shepherds Chapel whom I watched too until he passed away. I guess yes I will continue to pray for her. She's saved so hopefully God gives her the knowledge. Another thing since I'm talking to you. She mentioned recently crying a lot and God speaking to her during this and telling her to change and to go do such things like pray for people at the hospitals. The thing that caught me off guard was is she said she started speaking in tongues like never before. Is this heresy? I saw your video on tongues and visions not being of this time. So is she wrong? (Did it at home alone while she was crying and praying). Thank you Pastor!!
Schatzeliebe Pray to God for her eyes to be opened to truth and wait for a moment she may be open. You can not force a new view on someone after they've already decided on one for themselves. Do not argue or become heated if she will not hear you. Simply move on until another opportunity presents itself.
Thank you for the reply pastor. Also. To confirm that what the Father say in the Holy Bible is true. Is this why we have the stories documented by different prophets or disciples in the WORD?
I've heard of Mid-Trib and it's preposterous. I'm curious what you think the 'abomination of desolation' is alluding to. Been trying to figure that one out for years.
Dr. Kim, I know you have addressed this issue before, but when you have time, can you please do a video regarding those who are setting rapture dates please. I was planning on doing one but am working on another project and can't address it right now, but I know these rapture date setters that are full of pride, idolatry, and desire of youtube views are hurting not only those who are saved, but still babes in Christ, even those who are long time believers, but desperately looking up and those who are not saved, but seeking truth. Also at the end of your video "The Holy Spirit says believing isn't enough?" you mention how people make Christians look foolish by falling out in the isles or at the altar claiming they are full of the Holy Spirit. Rapture date setters are doing just that exact thing and encouraging/inviting mockers and scoffers. My faith is not shaken by this, but it does anger me because in the long run the date setting is hurting, not edifying the body of Christ/those seeking truth. I'm watching for Our Lord and Saviors return because I know we are in the season and He is coming for His Bride soon, but those who are building their "ministries" on setting rapture dates are hurting the body of Christ in many ways, not helping. Very rarely do they preach the gospel because they are so busy defending or deflecting from their "thus sayeth the Lord" dates/timelines, which are full of pagan calendars, worldly symbols and idolatry. I remember a few months ago reading one particular comment from a sister in Christ (as there have been from many others [brothers and sisters]) that said "I wish He would come already. I'm so tired of the delays." My comment back was " What delays? Jesus isn't late. He'll be right on time." and then quoted: Hebrews 10:36-39 King James Version (KJV) 36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. 37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Also, if you have the time to readdress this situation if you could please include the information regarding visions/dreams because so many are referencing things like that to justify their date setting which is crazy to me because none of it has come true, according to "their" dates. Very rarely do I remember dreams that I have, but a few months ago I remembered a dream. I got of off a plane (military plane) and started talking with someone who was either the pilot or the owner of the land we were standing on (which happened to be a gas station), then all of a sudden I heard the sound of an incoming plane that looked just like the one I had deboarded. It flew over head and crashed into a firey ball, in an open field, just across the road from us and there were guard rails along both sides of the road. When I woke up, I thought, "That was odd, I hardly ever have dreams, certainly not like that dream." Later that day I learned of the Israeli F-16 fighter jet that went down in the Gaza strip, the pilots were able to eject. I know people have dreams, but there are those who are prophesying "open visions" and "thus saith the Lord" words of knowledge as well. I have recently seen comments that are literally begging false prophets/date setters to stay in touch and do more videos because they need their guidance and to hear from God from these false prophets, who I won't mention by name, but are the garden variety date setters that claim "there is no way we will still be here past this date." Oy vey! God's timeline/"soon" is very different than our "soon." One day as a thousand years, a thousand years as one day. My goodness, James, Jesus' half brother, wrote that Jesus was coming "soon." James 5:7-11 King James Version (KJV) 7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. 9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. If/when you have a chance please revisit/do an all inclusive video on the points I have mentioned. People are following people (false prophets), not the word of God and this is very concerning and hurting the body of Christ BIG TIME!!! Thank you brother Kim. Much love, blessings and Godspeed to you and your ministry always! - Alisa Pauline
Dr Gene, when Jesus said we should WATCH for we know not when the thieve cometh, was he referring to the church or the Jews? And what did He really mean by "WATCH"? is it the sign of the Son of Man ( JESUS CHRIST ) or looking out for event, current issues and fulfilment of bible prophecies surrounding the Nation of Israel?
BBC International I thought 2 field, 1 taken, TAKEN was spoken of in a negative light? Taken was always referred to as something bad, as in killed. I can support with bible if need be.
In Luke 12:36 where the servant's master returns from the "wedding" is part of the PARABLE of the watching servants, and seems not about any marriage done in heaven. Israel is Christ's bride, not the Church the body of Christ in heaven. Please help clear this up. Thanks.
Just asking, so Dr.Gene Kim believes in pre-tribulation for people who believe in Christ and post tribulation for people who find Christ during the end times? Also, can you please do a video or can someone tell me about the "Christan Purge?" I have been seeing this recently with the new purge movie coming out with subliminal messages and people saying something like this would happen. Would the purge be before the tribulation, or during the end times?
Pastor could the 7 vials that are the 7 wraths be like the 7 things that happen to the pharoah of the old testament during when Noah warned the pharoah to let the Jews go
Thankfully rapture timing belief has nothing to do with our salvation. Though im pretty sure the church wont be here for the tribulation period. I do have a question about post tribbers. Am I wrong in the assumption their is no post trib rapture other than the beheaded saints. Aren't the ones who received the mark killed by the sword that proceeds from the mouth of Christ and those who did not worship the beast or take the mark the ones who repopulate during the millennial reign of Jesus?
Dr. Gene Kim I am a fan of your way of preaching. But like almost all people we have our differences. In your video you state you don't know why or how Pre-wrathers or post-tribers timeline is the way it is. Where do they get the 75 Days after the midpoint for Rapture? we'll hopefully i can help you here. If we go to the Book of Daniel at the end of Chapter 11 we see a telling of the False Messiah. Dan 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of *the covenant.* And it continues all the way through Chapter 12. How do we know this is talking about the False Messiah and not someone in the past? Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: *and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:* and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. This verse mirrors Mathew 24:21 *Mathew **24:21** For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.* Now then at the end of Chapter 12 in Daniel which is all bout the end of days Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: *for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.* Here is the answer to your question Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the *thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.* This tells us that 1290 Days is the 2nd half of the 7 years. We have 1260 Days for the 1st 3.5 years and 1290 days for the second 3.5 years. Why? because the Jewish calendar adds a 13th month every 7th year of 30 days. Therefore 1290 days. As for the 1335 days, where do they go? well how blessed are you if you make it through the entire tribulation and wrath? that would mean you missed any of the rapture timings. Our hope is to be raptured when the time comes, whenever it may be.*Therefore the 1335 days begin at the commencement of Daniels 70th Week. 1335 - 1260 Days = 75* there you go. I sincerely hope you read this Dr. Kim. God Bless you and your family and i'm praying for that wife for you.
Rev 16 & 6 no proof of debunking here. Agree to disagree here Dr. Kim, Revelation 16 & 6 are not the same at all. Rev 16 has nothing about the Sun Darkening or the moon turning red or stars falling. Rev 16 is about armageddon end of His wrath. Rev 6 is about the seals leading to His wrath. I know the cyclical theory is not only popular but the preferred view from academia as well. The sequence is 7 seals, 7 trumpets followed by 7 vials. each sequence is wrapped inside the other. you can't have the 1st trumpet or the 1st vial without the 7th Seal opening first or the 7th trumpet accordingly. The 7th seal contains a moment of silence and the 7 trumpets, likewise the 7th trumpet contains another moment in heaven and the 7 Vials. I wish i could sit with you and just discuss this material, really discuss it not argue or debate. debates are fruitless. Anyway agree to disagree.
Luke 12:36 is the killer blow! But also: Revelation 4:1 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: . . . Revelation 6:2 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. [This is the antichrist] According to John, the antichrist appears AFTER the Rapture!! Boom. Post-Trib Rapture debunked! Steven Anderson, read your bible!
I hope the rapture happens really soon
I was LITERALLY JUST debating this with a good friend of mine this morning. He is in the post trib/pre-wrath camp... and insists Mat 24 is same as Thess Rapture. Thank you LORD for answering my prayers w a Gene Kim scripture with scripture, explanation of this VERY thing! What are the chances? (No chance because its GOD!) Just pray he will listen with open ears/heart! TY Father, Thanks Pastor GK!
Jesus is king!! Amen!
Pastor I so appreciate your love for the truth...The cult christians here in Austria they hate it to be corrected in their wrong bible teachings . It's not different than convincing a roman Catholic that he is in a cult. I pray everyday that JESUS gives me a humble heart and that HE may continue to allow correction if I am wrong in any point..But there a so few that LOVE the absolute truth of Gods Word. Thank you so much for all your efforts Mr. Gene Kim.
Jesus will surely come for His children's you and i.....
Our God is an awesome God! Maranatha!
It's possible they're consumed by pride, when they say they want to be tortured and killed during the Tribulation.
Greatings from São Paulo Brazil 🇧🇷 God bless all of you
Dr. Kim, I hope to meet you someday. You are truly a God-sent. ALLLLLL GLORY TO GOD.
Dr Kim, I want to know more about inheritance in heaven. Not necessarily what we will receive (which I am sure will be great) but more things in life that we can do in order to obtain gifts in heaven. I have already seen your videos on the 5 crowns and the "struggling to serve god? Two greatest secrets" video. If you have already produced another video on this subject would you please be so kind as to direct me to it, or perhaps consider making a video in the future elaborating on this topic further. Perhaps the videos I mentioned earlier are all there is to say.
Sorry for posting this comment which is unrelated to the current video however I do want to serve and live for God more and no longer life a wishy-washy life where I am still chasing after material goods and worldly titles. God Bless and thank you for running this online ministry, I have been learning so much in the past few days. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for your response, i found it helpful. Currently in the process of looking for a good church, trying a new one again this Sunday. I am going to start watching your discipleship videos in the near future. God bless.
Hodge Podge Find all of your answers in the words of Jesus. He tells us the truth - that we will be REWARDED according to our WORKS. What works?
Mathew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall REWARD every man according to his works.
Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your REWARD shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
So this means:
1. love ye your enemies
2. do good
3. and lend
be kind to the unthankful and evil
Matthew 5:11-12
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your REWARD in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mathew 5:44-48 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.46 For if ye love them which love you, what REWARD have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Mathew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no REWARD of your Father which is in heaven.
6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their REWARD.
Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall REWARD thee openly.
Mathew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their REWARD.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall REWARD thee openly.
Mathew 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their REWARD
Matthew 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall REWARD thee openly.
Hodge Podge Hey, don't mean to bud in but I'd like to suggest something I do that I believe is pleasing to God. When I'm on other channels and see atheist try to explain that there is no God with "science" ,history or "logic" or when there's similar blasphemous talk, i attach a relatable link and foward them to Pastor Kim. Ive been doing this since he had 30k subscribers and hes at 75k now so it works. I'm not the only one I'm sure. We can help bring them to the truth. Let them argue with him lol. By the grace of God he knows bible better than most so hes the perfect candidate for a debate. I think he'll be up for the challenge 😅he is the best! By the grace of God of course!
And make sure whatever you do for God you for with the motive cuz that will be a crucial fact at The Judgement Seat of Christ. Make sure when you do some good work like soulwinning to do it from the heart and for the glory of God, that should be the mindset and the rewards will come. If your first motive is rewards instead of the glory of God then i think that doesn't get you any reward actually.
‘For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.’
2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV
We receive gifts at the judgement seat of Christ (after the rapture(this is not the white throne)) wether good or bad works, we don’t loose our salvation, we gain rewards for good works and loose rewards for bad works.
The entire Earth is starting to shake.
overtcovert almost 800 earthquakes today. I started watching them 3 yrs ago and they went from like 80 to 100 a day to 100 to 120 them started getting up to 200 then this last year they been off the chain
overtcovert isreal is the target for a comming earthquake
I have literally NEVER heard of a mid tribulation rapture. Why anyone would even teach that is odd. There's no such thing as a mid- tribulation rapture.
Leslie Kendall yeah that's weird. It clearly says in 1 Thessalonians that God's wrath isn't appointed for His people. There's a pre tribulation rapture of the church for the wedding and then Jesus comes for those who believed during the tribulation at His second coming.
Well if you look at the 2 witnesses being brought back to life and called into heaven you could call that a mid trib rapture I suppose
Thank you so much !
Hallelujah 🙏❤️✝️
Oh and 1 other thing... would you be open to debating a very large Hebrew Roots, Post Trib Ministry? (Almost 100k subs).. YOU were born for this Pastor GK! This truth needs to be settled and end this rapture divide in the church!!! Let me know! One of their top guys is an ex-dispensationalist and is very well versed in KJV. Please end this! Let me know. God bless in Jesus name
Post tribulation rapture makes no sense. Scripture clearly states that Jesus will bring his bride (the church) with him for the battle of Armageddon, which is AFTER the tribulation. How can we be raptured mid or post tribulation if we're coming with him? Pre trib rapture is the only logical doctrine.
Dr Kim.
Please make a video about your thoughts on the Rancid Feast.
The midtrib rapture view is the belief that the rapture occurs at the middle.
The pretrib rapture view is the belief that the rapture occurs before the tribulation (I believe in the pretrib rapture, even though I sometimes lean towards a prewrath rapture view).
The prewrath rapture view is the belief that the rapture occurs sometime after the abomination of desolation, but before the 7 vials are poured out.
The posttrib rapture view is the belief that rapture is after the tribulation.
GOD knows everything...why would HE let somebody be born knowing they are going to hell?? ..i shouldnt have asked that it makes me feel bad
cool thanks..am i wrong to think of such things?? ..i been binge watchin u for like 3 hours now..found u maybe 4 days ago
My mom was here this weekend and she refuses to believe in a pre trib rapture. She says only a post trib and that we the Christians are the tribulation saints. I couldn't convince her otherwise. She watches Osteen and Prinze and the 700 club. I showed her your videos and she didn't understand them. It started a fight almost. Any advice?
Schatzeliebe your Mom is already saved right? So whether she believes pre or post, it won't affect her salvation. The good news is once you and your mom was raptured, you can say to her "I told you". :)
Just continue to encourage each other with prayers.
But if you want to really convince her. Show her Revelation 3:10
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
Also the parallels between Noah and Enoch. Enoch was Raptured prior to the Flood but Noah has to endure it. The Israelites will be protected in Petra just like Noah protected by the Ark.
The Bible identifies Bozrah (Hebrew), or Petra (Greek), as one of the significant areas during the end times. Prophetic passages like Micah 2:12 and Isaiah 63:1-6 describe the area of Petra in Jordan as the place where Jews flee when the Antichrist begins persecution. It is where they remain safely protected by God during the Great Tribulation.
Hope it helps. GOD bless us all.
MARANATHA!!!
Redeemed Pinoy thank you!! You are very right. Yes she is saved.
BBC International thank you so much!! She used to believe in pre trib rapture until she started watching Pastor Arnold Murray form Shepherds Chapel whom I watched too until he passed away. I guess yes I will continue to pray for her. She's saved so hopefully God gives her the knowledge.
Another thing since I'm talking to you. She mentioned recently crying a lot and God speaking to her during this and telling her to change and to go do such things like pray for people at the hospitals. The thing that caught me off guard was is she said she started speaking in tongues like never before. Is this heresy? I saw your video on tongues and visions not being of this time. So is she wrong? (Did it at home alone while she was crying and praying). Thank you Pastor!!
Schatzeliebe Pray to God for her eyes to be opened to truth and wait for a moment she may be open. You can not force a new view on someone after they've already decided on one for themselves. Do not argue or become heated if she will not hear you. Simply move on until another opportunity presents itself.
Dean Toney yea for sure. I dropped it so soons she started getting a bit upset. Regardless whenever it happens we need to be ready.
Thank you for the reply pastor. Also. To confirm that what the Father say in the Holy Bible is true. Is this why we have the stories documented by different prophets or disciples in the WORD?
I've heard of Mid-Trib and it's preposterous. I'm curious what you think the 'abomination of desolation' is alluding to. Been trying to figure that one out for years.
Thessalonians talks about the falling away and the gathering. Revelation 2&3 seem to address the falling away and then bam Revelation 4:1
Amen
Dr. Kim, I know you have addressed this issue before, but when you have time, can you please do a video regarding those who are setting rapture dates please. I was planning on doing one but am working on another project and can't address it right now, but I know these rapture date setters that are full of pride, idolatry, and desire of youtube views are hurting not only those who are saved, but still babes in Christ, even those who are long time believers, but desperately looking up and those who are not saved, but seeking truth.
Also at the end of your video "The Holy Spirit says believing isn't enough?" you mention how people make Christians look foolish by falling out in the isles or at the altar claiming they are full of the Holy Spirit. Rapture date setters are doing just that exact thing and encouraging/inviting mockers and scoffers. My faith is not shaken by this, but it does anger me because in the long run the date setting is hurting, not edifying the body of Christ/those seeking truth.
I'm watching for Our Lord and Saviors return because I know we are in the season and He is coming for His Bride soon, but those who are building their "ministries" on setting rapture dates are hurting the body of Christ in many ways, not helping. Very rarely do they preach the gospel because they are so busy defending or deflecting from their "thus sayeth the Lord" dates/timelines, which are full of pagan calendars, worldly symbols and idolatry.
I remember a few months ago reading one particular comment from a sister in Christ (as there have been from many others [brothers and sisters]) that said "I wish He would come already. I'm so tired of the delays."
My comment back was " What delays? Jesus isn't late. He'll be right on time." and then quoted:
Hebrews 10:36-39 King James Version (KJV)
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Also, if you have the time to readdress this situation if you could please include the information regarding visions/dreams because so many are referencing things like that to justify their date setting which is crazy to me because none of it has come true, according to "their" dates.
Very rarely do I remember dreams that I have, but a few months ago I remembered a dream. I got of off a plane (military plane) and started talking with someone who was either the pilot or the owner of the land we were standing on (which happened to be a gas station), then all of a sudden I heard the sound of an incoming plane that looked just like the one I had deboarded. It flew over head and crashed into a firey ball, in an open field, just across the road from us and there were guard rails along both sides of the road.
When I woke up, I thought, "That was odd, I hardly ever have dreams, certainly not like that dream." Later that day I learned of the Israeli F-16 fighter jet that went down in the Gaza strip, the pilots were able to eject.
I know people have dreams, but there are those who are prophesying "open visions" and "thus saith the Lord" words of knowledge as well.
I have recently seen comments that are literally begging false prophets/date setters to stay in touch and do more videos because they need their guidance and to hear from God from these false prophets, who I won't mention by name, but are the garden variety date setters that claim "there is no way we will still be here past this date." Oy vey!
God's timeline/"soon" is very different than our "soon." One day as a thousand years, a thousand years as one day. My goodness, James, Jesus' half brother, wrote that Jesus was coming "soon."
James 5:7-11 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
If/when you have a chance please revisit/do an all inclusive video on the points I have mentioned. People are following people (false prophets), not the word of God and this is very concerning and hurting the body of Christ BIG TIME!!!
Thank you brother Kim. Much love, blessings and Godspeed to you and your ministry always! - Alisa Pauline
Dr Gene, when Jesus said we should WATCH for we know not when the thieve cometh, was he referring to the church or the Jews? And what did He really mean by "WATCH"? is it the sign of the Son of Man ( JESUS CHRIST ) or looking out for event, current issues and fulfilment of bible prophecies surrounding the Nation of Israel?
When 2 are in the field and 1 was taken, is this the church rapture or the post rapture?
BBC International I thought 2 field, 1 taken, TAKEN was spoken of in a negative light? Taken was always referred to as something bad, as in killed. I can support with bible if need be.
In Luke 12:36 where the servant's master returns from the "wedding" is part of the PARABLE of the watching servants, and seems not about any marriage done in heaven. Israel is Christ's bride, not the Church the body of Christ in heaven. Please help clear this up. Thanks.
Just asking, so Dr.Gene Kim believes in pre-tribulation for people who believe in Christ and post tribulation for people who find Christ during the end times? Also, can you please do a video or can someone tell me about the "Christan Purge?" I have been seeing this recently with the new purge movie coming out with subliminal messages and people saying something like this would happen. Would the purge be before the tribulation, or during the end times?
Could you please get a darker marker and/or write bigger because I can't see what you wrote on the board, please and thank you
So where are we now on this timeline?
Pastor could the 7 vials that are the 7 wraths be like the 7 things that happen to the pharoah of the old testament during when Noah warned the pharoah to let the Jews go
Thankfully rapture timing belief has nothing to do with our salvation.
Though im pretty sure the church wont be here for the tribulation period.
I do have a question about post tribbers. Am I wrong in the assumption their is no post trib rapture other than the beheaded saints. Aren't the ones who received the mark killed by the sword that proceeds from the mouth of Christ and those who did not worship the beast or take the mark the ones who repopulate during the millennial reign of Jesus?
Dr. Gene Kim I am a fan of your way of preaching. But like almost all people we have our differences. In your video you state you don't know why or how Pre-wrathers or post-tribers timeline is the way it is. Where do they get the 75 Days after the midpoint for Rapture? we'll hopefully i can help you here. If we go to the Book of Daniel at the end of Chapter 11 we see a telling of the False Messiah.
Dan 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of *the covenant.* And it continues all the way through Chapter 12. How do we know this is talking about the False Messiah and not someone in the past?
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: *and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:* and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. This verse mirrors Mathew 24:21
*Mathew **24:21** For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.*
Now then at the end of Chapter 12 in Daniel which is all bout the end of days Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: *for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.*
Here is the answer to your question
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the *thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.*
This tells us that 1290 Days is the 2nd half of the 7 years. We have 1260 Days for the 1st 3.5 years and 1290 days for the second 3.5 years. Why? because the Jewish calendar adds a 13th month every 7th year of 30 days. Therefore 1290 days.
As for the 1335 days, where do they go? well how blessed are you if you make it through the entire tribulation and wrath? that would mean you missed any of the rapture timings. Our hope is to be raptured when the time comes, whenever it may be.*Therefore the 1335 days begin at the commencement of Daniels 70th Week. 1335 - 1260 Days = 75* there you go.
I sincerely hope you read this Dr. Kim. God Bless you and your family and i'm praying for that wife for you.
Rev 16 & 6 no proof of debunking here. Agree to disagree here Dr. Kim, Revelation 16 & 6 are not the same at all. Rev 16 has nothing about the Sun Darkening or the moon turning red or stars falling. Rev 16 is about armageddon end of His wrath. Rev 6 is about the seals leading to His wrath. I know the cyclical theory is not only popular but the preferred view from academia as well. The sequence is 7 seals, 7 trumpets followed by 7 vials. each sequence is wrapped inside the other. you can't have the 1st trumpet or the 1st vial without the 7th Seal opening first or the 7th trumpet accordingly. The 7th seal contains a moment of silence and the 7 trumpets, likewise the 7th trumpet contains another moment in heaven and the 7 Vials. I wish i could sit with you and just discuss this material, really discuss it not argue or debate. debates are fruitless. Anyway agree to disagree.
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Just wondering if catholic priest read bible the revelation chapter
You guys should check visual proof channel
Brilliant amen.
yep lets rapture away at the same moment JESUS returns so we go up then turn rite back around and come back down with JESUS..makes NO SENSE for post
I know right? I find this comment funny xD God Bless!
Luke 12:36 is the killer blow!
But also:
Revelation 4:1
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: . . .
Revelation 6:2
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. [This is the antichrist]
According to John, the antichrist appears AFTER the Rapture!! Boom. Post-Trib Rapture debunked!
Steven Anderson, read your bible!
Slam dunk