My grandfather passed away and left me with his 1998 W210 with the 2.3 litre M111. It only had 80tkm on the odometer. I've been working on the car quite a lot and it is very pleasant to drive despite some claims from online forums that the 2.3 litre is underpowered when paired with the W210. It's a lovely city driver, and I've been rotating it with my W140 S320. I conclude that both engines are extremely competent. Thank you for the fascinating discussion.
Thank you guys for talking about this fantastic engine. I'm so happy with my 1995 C180, it's my second car and first Mercedes (first car was E32 735iL). In Australia in Feb 2022 I paid $1500 AUD to get my upper and lower wiring looms replaced at an auto electrician. Don't know if that expensive or not just an FYI. Great video.
Thank you so much for sharing the information gents. I just got a C230 Kompressor w202. What an amazing Car, I'm hooked !!!! Glad to know the M111 engine is so reliable. I would like to bring my Merc for a service and Tune Up to you. Respect from Jhb
Over the years i've owned four M111 cars, a 98 E200, a 98 C180, a 95 E200 that was still running perfectly with the original wiring loom at 400k km and currently a 93 220E. What a bulletproof engine. I've never had anything to do besides oil and sparkplug changes. Just an occasional water pump but everything in the front on the engine is extremely easy to replace. Probably the best engine for a DIY mechanic. I don't like the M111 with a manual and i think that an automatic is more suited. The other engine worth considering is the OM605, good fuel economy and a far better sounding engine and a pleasure to drive with both an automatic and a manual.
Getting to know this engine after owning the diesel 2.3L for a month or more. I absolutely love it, it's not the strongest engine for a large van full of gear but it is very solid and doesn't miss a beat. I'm getting good at driving it to its potential now with practice on the manual 5 speed gearbox.
I recently was granted ownership of my grandmother’s C230k (w202). It had only done 60 thousand Kilometres when i took possession. She has owned it since new, and it still feels like it’s just rolled off the showroom floor. Cheers from New Zealand
@ coincidentally, its been a bit of a nuisance.. currently the butterfly diverter valve is ‘stuck’ open, so the supercharger rarely works.. potentially an easy fix! And the transmission is very sticky when cold (unless i turn it off and on again) Other than that, very comfortable motorcar
Hello Gents, Thank you for this nice overview of the M111 Engine. I do have to correct you on a fact here you have wrong 🙂 *They dont use Centrifugal Superchargers. They are Eaton M62, around 1000cc, ROOTS type positive displacement supercharger.* Why do we know that? We have been literally building supercharger kits for BMW's for over a decade and we use The M62 Supercharger from the Mercedes for a few of the kits.😉 The M62 is very compact and reliable. The other matter here is, we plan to do a High Boost Supercharger project based on the M111 and your video was very inspiring to see how enthusiastic you are. 😄
Ah, variable valve timing is different to variable valve lift. Vtech can do both. That merc can only vary the timing of the cams, not the amount of valve lift as well. Cool video!
Hello I enjoyed watching your show I have a 2001 SLK 230 Kompressor Sport and it's an AMG style and I love it it has the same motor you're talking about the m1111 I have 134,000 me on it and it goes 195 mph top speed it's an automatic and I love the winter and the summer setting or whichever way you want to do the training but it will overtake a V8 any day of the week in four blocks series I have raised Mustangs with 302s in a new ones the 2019-2018 series 302 Mustangs and beat them by a bus length so there's only three of these left in the United States that are firemist red with the red and black leather interior in all of the options I love my car everything about it it's a wonderful car I haven't had it to do anything to it except for replace the front headlight
Bravi (scrivo dall'Italia) ho una magnifica W203 berlina (sedan) col motore M111.951 quindi variante C180 129 Hp (versione aspirato) Come avete scritto sotto, prima serie della W203 e col M111 che poi ha lasciato il posto ad altro motore. Quindi ho un motore molto robusto ed affidabile, seguendo il video capisco questo. Ne sono contento, grazie. M111.951 è anche la serie che monta il basamento rinforzato, e la testa cilindri modificata, credo che sia l'ultima versione del M111 prima di cessare la produzione.
My M111.955 2.0 had great power up until its headgasket failed recently, and thats after 285k kms on the engine. Currently rebuilding it hoping for some power mods, with an already beefy block and pistons like that im sure itll take it and be happy with a freshened up head!
Hi Guys,huge thumbs up for posting this info about the M111 engine,i have a c180 Classic face lift,not my last,i think that TERM " bullet proof " suits this engine providing you mantain the basics correctly and stick to servicing and shorter than recogmended oil chargers,will definately give you super long mileage and happy confident motoring,please share your contact details for future referances,local is definately lekke to chat more about our passion for this ' TIMELESS ' W202.
Wow thank you guys amazing talk.. i was given a beautiful W202 C220 with a engine loom issue , i just removed it this morning to who can i send it to be rebuild or where can i buy the parts.
M111 is an extremly reliable engine. I have an W202 C180 and it never let me down. Regular engine oil, coolant, spark-plugs changes and that's it. I even changed the thermostat, water pump and belt by myself with some basic tools. Easy to work on and I'm not a mechanic! C180 is not underpowered...low revs suit the car very well and it floats. If you want to move faster, you just have to use the power band at mid-range revs. All the power shows off better at higher revs/highway speeds (because bore vs stroke design). Manual transmission is better for versatility, choosing your driving style and fuel consumption too. My perspective is that these are made for effortless long journeys and open road driving. W202 and W210 RUST VERY BADLY in cold and wet winter climates. M111 engine will outlive everything else on these cars.
HI guys! I've just restored my father's W203 C200 Kompressor (M111.955), it has now 385.000km and I am wondering if I should preventively change the timing chain, rails and tensioners. What do you think?
Biggest problem with the M271 is that it needs regular timing chain replacements. Not only are the repair kits randomly unavailable, they're also quite expensive and the labour cost even more so.
The biodegradable wiring was available from MB a few years ago but we doubt that they'll be interested in carrying spares for these older cars. A qualified auto electrician can make a new one, as we don't recommend taking the chance on a used loom.
@@GalimotoMediaThank you so much for your input. I’m looking into a facelift W210 E200. Should I go for a Non Kompressor or Kompressor model? Thank you.
I have an S124 220E and I don't like this engine. A lot of vibration, noisy, unpolished. Oil leaks wherever possible. Cables a familiar story. Bobbins in an inaccessible place. It's no match for an outstanding car. Especially with the M103 or M104 engine. But it is strong, durable and relatively economical. Anyway, great video.
Interesting you said never went below 10 km/l on an urban cycle? I guess your trips are not that short and you don’t stay on traffic jams? With automatic gear box c200, those are some impressive numbers… Edit: also you live in an area without any hills?
I am 18 years old my grandfather gave me his prefacelift c180 1997, i drive it for 7 months now and its my first car. I REALLY love the styling interior and exterior, also i find it very reliable since from 1997 he hasn't change much he only went for the basic services and rarely for some broken things like fuel pump, fridge and his front headlight and it is still nice just like new with almost no rust on the paint even tho it was parked on the streets BUT i think i have a small over heating problem ... Idk if this is normal but in greece temperature are pretty high like close to 40 C° sometimes and when the outside temprature is above 30C° in the city my coolant car temperature usually is somewhere between 100-107C° when i am start and stop in the traffic... From your experience do you think this is normal ? Cuz my mechanic and my grandfather are telling me that every summer they remember the car being over 100C° when driving in the city and they say it is working like that for so many years without any problem .... Also keep in mind i have the version with no pre installed air conditioning so it has weaker fridge ( even tho my grandfather put later air-conditioning but he never changed the fridge so if u open it in the summer the temperature can rise up to 110+ C° and my mechanic says if i DON'T change the fridge it would be better not to turn it on in the summer 😅)
Hi there, thank you for your detailed message and we hope you have many happy travels with that C180. By the way, we hope to do a documentary on the 202-Series in the future! 100°C is fairly normal for these cars, 105 or 107 is a bit high but still acceptable in hot weather and slow traffic. You should worry (and start taking action) when it goes beyond 110°C or gets close to the limit, 120.
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My grandfather passed away and left me with his 1998 W210 with the 2.3 litre M111. It only had 80tkm on the odometer. I've been working on the car quite a lot and it is very pleasant to drive despite some claims from online forums that the 2.3 litre is underpowered when paired with the W210. It's a lovely city driver, and I've been rotating it with my W140 S320. I conclude that both engines are extremely competent. Thank you for the fascinating discussion.
Thank you for your comment and enjoy your wonderful cars! 😊
Its a great car in fact.
I have the 2.0 136ps. If maintained properly and all sensors are working properly, its actually has good speed
Thank you guys for talking about this fantastic engine. I'm so happy with my 1995 C180, it's my second car and first Mercedes (first car was E32 735iL). In Australia in Feb 2022 I paid $1500 AUD to get my upper and lower wiring looms replaced at an auto electrician. Don't know if that expensive or not just an FYI. Great video.
It was a pleasure making this video, we trust that your C180 will give you many more years of happy motoring!
Thank you so much for sharing the information gents. I just got a C230 Kompressor w202. What an amazing Car, I'm hooked !!!! Glad to know the M111 engine is so reliable. I would like to bring my Merc for a service and Tune Up to you. Respect from Jhb
Belated thanks for your kind comment and many happy s/miles with that cool W202! 😎
Over the years i've owned four M111 cars, a 98 E200, a 98 C180, a 95 E200 that was still running perfectly with the original wiring loom at 400k km and currently a 93 220E. What a bulletproof engine. I've never had anything to do besides oil and sparkplug changes. Just an occasional water pump but everything in the front on the engine is extremely easy to replace. Probably the best engine for a DIY mechanic. I don't like the M111 with a manual and i think that an automatic is more suited. The other engine worth considering is the OM605, good fuel economy and a far better sounding engine and a pleasure to drive with both an automatic and a manual.
We're glad to hear that, take care of your 220E and it will probably go forever!
Why you don’t like m111 with a manual transmission?
@@pedronietsh Rev hang between gears, not the worst but a bit akward.
So informative! Thank you, now I know more about my W203 C180 M111!
We're glad you found it helpful!
I’m thinking of buying a 230 CLK KOMPRESSOR year 99, this video convinced me. Just pure class and performance
Wonderful, we're glad to read that! 😊
Getting to know this engine after owning the diesel 2.3L for a month or more. I absolutely love it, it's not the strongest engine for a large van full of gear but it is very solid and doesn't miss a beat. I'm getting good at driving it to its potential now with practice on the manual 5 speed gearbox.
Glad to hear it, thanks for your comment! 😊
I recently was granted ownership of my grandmother’s C230k (w202). It had only done 60 thousand Kilometres when i took possession. She has owned it since new, and it still feels like it’s just rolled off the showroom floor. Cheers from New Zealand
That sounds amazing, enjoy it!!
Don't sell it!Such a good reliable car .
@ coincidentally, its been a bit of a nuisance.. currently the butterfly diverter valve is ‘stuck’ open, so the supercharger rarely works.. potentially an easy fix! And the transmission is very sticky when cold (unless i turn it off and on again)
Other than that, very comfortable motorcar
Thanks for the review mate😊
Pleasure! 😊
Hello Gents, Thank you for this nice overview of the M111 Engine. I do have to correct you on a fact here you have wrong 🙂 *They dont use Centrifugal Superchargers. They are Eaton M62, around 1000cc, ROOTS type positive displacement supercharger.* Why do we know that? We have been literally building supercharger kits for BMW's for over a decade and we use The M62 Supercharger from the Mercedes for a few of the kits.😉 The M62 is very compact and reliable. The other matter here is, we plan to do a High Boost Supercharger project based on the M111 and your video was very inspiring to see how enthusiastic you are. 😄
Many thanks for your comment, correction, and cool work! 😎
I just bought a Mercedes van with this engine in it. It is so good on fuel, it has done 200,000 kms since 2001 so hoping it has a few more kms in it.
Congratulations and many happy travels. That motor should be good for a few more, yes!
I have a korando 98. With M111 2.3l engine. What an engine !
Indeed! 👍
The M111 kompressors didn't have a centrifugal supercharger. The Eaton was a roots blower.
Ah, variable valve timing is different to variable valve lift. Vtech can do both. That merc can only vary the timing of the cams, not the amount of valve lift as well. Cool video!
Thanks for the info!
Hello I enjoyed watching your show I have a 2001 SLK 230 Kompressor Sport and it's an AMG style and I love it it has the same motor you're talking about the m1111 I have 134,000 me on it and it goes 195 mph top speed it's an automatic and I love the winter and the summer setting or whichever way you want to do the training but it will overtake a V8 any day of the week in four blocks series I have raised Mustangs with 302s in a new ones the 2019-2018 series 302 Mustangs and beat them by a bus length so there's only three of these left in the United States that are firemist red with the red and black leather interior in all of the options I love my car everything about it it's a wonderful car I haven't had it to do anything to it except for replace the front headlight
195mph. Riiiiiight...
@@GalimotoMedia yes this is Maurice King it apparently you don't believe that my cargo 195 Mi an hour will I beg to differ with you it will
@@GalimotoMedia oh and it spelled my name wrong it's Maurice g u i h e e n
Bravi (scrivo dall'Italia) ho una magnifica W203 berlina (sedan) col motore M111.951 quindi variante C180 129 Hp (versione aspirato)
Come avete scritto sotto, prima serie della W203 e col M111 che poi ha lasciato il posto ad altro motore.
Quindi ho un motore molto robusto ed affidabile, seguendo il video capisco questo.
Ne sono contento, grazie.
M111.951 è anche la serie che monta il basamento rinforzato, e la testa cilindri modificata, credo che sia l'ultima versione del M111 prima di cessare la produzione.
Many thanks for your detailed comment and happy travels with your C180! 😎
My M111.955 2.0 had great power up until its headgasket failed recently, and thats after 285k kms on the engine. Currently rebuilding it hoping for some power mods, with an already beefy block and pistons like that im sure itll take it and be happy with a freshened up head!
Good luck with the rebuild and many happy miles with the fresh M111!
Hi Guys,huge thumbs up for posting this info about the M111 engine,i have a c180 Classic face lift,not my last,i think that TERM " bullet proof " suits this engine providing you mantain the basics correctly and stick to servicing and shorter than recogmended oil chargers,will definately give you super long mileage and happy confident motoring,please share your contact details for future referances,local is definately lekke to chat more about our passion for this ' TIMELESS ' W202.
Belated thanks for your passionate comment!
Wow thank you guys amazing talk.. i was given a beautiful W202 C220 with a engine loom issue , i just removed it this morning to who can i send it to be rebuild or where can i buy the parts.
Our pleasure! Start with independent workshops or auto electricians in your area, they should be able to help. All the best with that beautiful C220!
M111 is an extremly reliable engine.
I have an W202 C180 and it never let me down. Regular engine oil, coolant, spark-plugs changes and that's it. I even changed the thermostat, water pump and belt by myself with some basic tools. Easy to work on and I'm not a mechanic!
C180 is not underpowered...low revs suit the car very well and it floats. If you want to move faster, you just have to use the power band at mid-range revs.
All the power shows off better at higher revs/highway speeds (because bore vs stroke design).
Manual transmission is better for versatility, choosing your driving style and fuel consumption too.
My perspective is that these are made for effortless long journeys and open road driving.
W202 and W210 RUST VERY BADLY in cold and wet winter climates. M111 engine will outlive everything else on these cars.
Thanks for your detailed comments and enjoy that C180!
HI guys! I've just restored my father's W203 C200 Kompressor (M111.955), it has now 385.000km and I am wondering if I should preventively change the timing chain, rails and tensioners. What do you think?
At that mileage, it certainly won't hurt to do extra / preventative maintenance! Wishing you many more years of M111 happiness. 😊
may i know what’s wrong with the M271 engines? and for the biodegradable wiring, are there any fixes or replacement for it? thank you.
Biggest problem with the M271 is that it needs regular timing chain replacements. Not only are the repair kits randomly unavailable, they're also quite expensive and the labour cost even more so.
The biodegradable wiring was available from MB a few years ago but we doubt that they'll be interested in carrying spares for these older cars. A qualified auto electrician can make a new one, as we don't recommend taking the chance on a used loom.
@@GalimotoMediaThank you so much for your input.
I’m looking into a facelift W210 E200. Should I go for a Non Kompressor or Kompressor model?
Thank you.
Great post, just wanted to find out the 2001 and 2002 c class 180 or 200 are just as bulletproof????
The engine or the vehicle?
Hi
I have 2000 model 202 c180, i just wana ask that can i put 2.3 block without changing the ecu, plz advice
You best check with a mechanic for that!
use a 2.3 that uses the bosch hfm ecu it should be the exact same make sure its the pre-evo engine the use an updated head design so it might not work
I have an S124 220E and I don't like this engine. A lot of vibration, noisy, unpolished. Oil leaks wherever possible. Cables a familiar story. Bobbins in an inaccessible place. It's no match for an outstanding car. Especially with the M103 or M104 engine. But it is strong, durable and relatively economical.
Anyway, great video.
Thanks for your comment!
Its not variable valve timing by the way it just works with ignition
Thanks for that insight, we appreciate it!
What years is it good to buy a w202 and w203
Late W202's (to avoid wiring harness issues) and early W203's with the reliable M1xx engines. 👍
I have a Benz coupe m111 engine, I have a heating problem with the engine.
Please help me
How, over the internet?!? We suggest you visit a mechanic.
fantastic engine gg
Thanks, we agree! 😁
Wow these guys are funny
Thanks
Interesting you said never went below 10 km/l on an urban cycle? I guess your trips are not that short and you don’t stay on traffic jams? With automatic gear box c200, those are some impressive numbers…
Edit: also you live in an area without any hills?
Indeed, the driving conditions were favorable.
Have you had a chance to weigh any of these engines?
Nope.
Eyyy
Thanks again for your kind comment! 😊
vtec has timing and lift m111 just has timing
Thanks for your comment! 👍
If u want to see broken 111 come to my country u will see a lot🤣🤣🤣, here u can even see broken 2jz
Oh dear, that must be a tough place to live!
I am 18 years old my grandfather gave me his prefacelift c180 1997, i drive it for 7 months now and its my first car. I REALLY love the styling interior and exterior, also i find it very reliable since from 1997 he hasn't change much he only went for the basic services and rarely for some broken things like fuel pump, fridge and his front headlight and it is still nice just like new with almost no rust on the paint even tho it was parked on the streets BUT i think i have a small over heating problem ... Idk if this is normal but in greece temperature are pretty high like close to 40 C° sometimes and when the outside temprature is above 30C° in the city my coolant car temperature usually is somewhere between 100-107C° when i am start and stop in the traffic... From your experience do you think this is normal ? Cuz my mechanic and my grandfather are telling me that every summer they remember the car being over 100C° when driving in the city and they say it is working like that for so many years without any problem .... Also keep in mind i have the version with no pre installed air conditioning so it has weaker fridge ( even tho my grandfather put later air-conditioning but he never changed the fridge so if u open it in the summer the temperature can rise up to 110+ C° and my mechanic says if i DON'T change the fridge it would be better not to turn it on in the summer 😅)
Hi there, thank you for your detailed message and we hope you have many happy travels with that C180. By the way, we hope to do a documentary on the 202-Series in the future!
100°C is fairly normal for these cars, 105 or 107 is a bit high but still acceptable in hot weather and slow traffic. You should worry (and start taking action) when it goes beyond 110°C or gets close to the limit, 120.
@@GalimotoMediafridge he means the radiator, the Greeks from Greece mainland they have a funny terminology about cars 😂😂😂