How Accurate are Dinosaur King's "GRASS" Dinosaurs?
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Dinosaur King's Grass Element consists of the herbivorous Ornithopod Dinosaurs. How do these models from the mid-late 2000s hold up against modern science?
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The fact that Dinosaur King remains one of the ONLY dino-media out there that doesn't portray ornithopods as helpless sacks of meat simply there to be eaten by theropods is kinda disappointing.
They did a few times though.
They kind of showed it,they made them grass type,and the rex and other rex like dinosaurs are fire type,meaning they're stronger then the ornithopods
It’s wind dinosaurs that are stronger than them.@@davyjones3755
Iguanodons are often portrayed as tough. But that's due to the thumb spike.
@@davyjones3755 iirc the maiasaurus and fukuisaurus one shotted Terry, who is a fire type but also kinda treated as a jobber, so ig there's that
I like how this show has lesser known dinosaurs in the show
let's go, can't wait for water with all the spinosaurs
All 4 of them
Water was pretty much the wastebasket type.
The others had a sort of theme
Fire had most of the giant theropods
Electric had the ceratopsians
Earth had the Thyreophorans
Plant/Leaf had the ornithopods
And Wind had all the small to medium-sized theropods
And then there’s Water, which had spinosaurs and sauropods.
@@beastmaster0934 i remember looking this up, apparently the reason was due to Spinosaurs being fish eaters and sauropods in old depictions in art always being within lakes, if this is true then it's a really cute reference
I can’t tell which version of hadrosaur hands is more cursed: hoof or no hoof. Both feel cursed in their own way
No hooves is more cursed. Why do they have highly developed fingers 💀💀💀
Here's something more cursed: the crests of Maiasaura, and Ouranosaurus may have supported balloon sacs based on a recent study that hypothesises such condition for Prosaurolophus
@@isaacslein6432 I kinda like it honestly. Cursed but in a cool way
No hoof. Usually no hoof hadros got weird fleshy pads.
@@chadgorosaurus4898Dude you act you were born yesterday. The hands always were that way in both books and media.
When I played the Dinosaur King arcade I only cared about the grass ones, I love me some hadrosaurs
It was a great video as always.
About the Grass Dinosaurs, it's quite weird that the genus Hadrosaurus, the namesake of the entire Hadrosauridae family isn't represented at all over all the franchise.
It would have been a neat addition.
Yes, I had that exact thought myself whilst researching for this video.
Their species selection was honestly very weird. Not just one but _two_ synonyms of _Centrosaurus_ alongside the valid genus, numerous genera that were dubious/synonymous at the time or on their way to becoming dubious/synonymous, heavy bias against small dinosaurs, no prosauropods, and no _Brachiosaurus_ (which I am _still_ salty about).
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627the lack of Brachiosaurus is VERY strange indeed, maybe they were saving it for a secret type?
Hi@@HodgePodge7, I'm a biologist and I'm gonna teach you about biology of organisms both fictional and real
@@evodolka Doubt it. The Secret dinosaurs were chosen because they were famous for something extreme ( _Eoraptor_ was once believed to be the first dinosaur to ever evolve, _Megalosaurus_ was the first non-avian dinosaur to be named, _Brontosaurus_ used to be the most famous sauropod prior to Jurassic Park, _Cryolophosaurus_ was the first non-avian dinosaur from Antarctica to be named, _Deinonychus_ started the Dinosaur Renaissance and appeared in Jurassic Park) or for something strange about their bodies once considered unique among dinosaurs ( _Therizinosaurus_ ' claws, _Pachycephalosaurus_ ' thick skull). And then there's _Pawpawsaurus_ , which seems to be included for no real reason at all.
My guess is the developers just didn't like sauropods very much. Seriously, there were only four genera with body lengths above seventy feet in the game, no prosauropods appeared, only two genera became Alpha Dinosaurs and _none_ of them became a Black Dinosaur, and the anime imo did sauropods _very_ dirty too.
That baby Maiasaura is the skootabooshiest of all the skootabooshes!
It's also a bit big, should be the size of an ostrich chick given the size of the eggs.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 True.
Probably my favorite element in the game. Charonosaurus and Parasaurolophus are my favorites.
I love how you're discussing Dinosaur King for how relatively accurate designs (for the time compared to the wave of "awesomebro" paleo-media in the drought between JP3 and JW)
How it managed to get so much right, as well as represent many obscure taxa in interesting ways. Gives me great appreciation for the design team, which managed to give interesting yet pleasing colour-schemes to many of these. The great attention to detail on the science of these animals, not conflicting with the fantastical aspect of these creatures battling one another while wielding elements, but rather informing aspects of them to be more unique. Feels like if any franchise gave that kind of attention to detail, and creativity recently (as opposed to the norm of poorly copying JP/JW) we'd have much better paleo-media and gateway access into the field.
As for my idea on the element being "grass" and not "leaf" or "plant": I believe it's a similar reason as to why pokemon that use plants are also grass type. Specifically in Dinosaur King, each of the elements shown have corresponding Kanji as labels. I don't know enough about the Japanese language to know exactly why, but I ponder if it's because the symbols for grass, 草(kusa/sou) might be written or said more comfortably with the other elements than 葉(ha/you) or even the word for "plant" 植物(Shokubutsu) which requires two characters and might make it seem out of place with the others. Perhaps 草食(Soushoku) "grass eating" being a word for herbivory as a whole might have something to do with it as herbivorous animals including dinosaurs would usually be described as such. Also, if the series followed Taoist five elements "grass" element could be replaced with "wood/tree" 木(ki/moku) but that doesn't seem to be the case as wind and lightning aren't part of that.
Just an interesting thought on why the element might be called "grass" despite how grass as a clade wasn't prevalent in the lives of Mesozoic animals for most of it. It's ubiquity to us as humans might be convenient in conveying ideas as a whole.
A note on the Hadrosaur hands: Though the Dakota mummy does show what seems to be a singular nail. That whilst digits 2, 3, & 4 are encased in a fleshy mitt, I've been told that trackways shows the digits still imprint distinctive "lobes". There being many recent reconstructions that are solely based on the mummy, (which might not show the exact shape of the flesh in life) rather than corroborating that with known trackways of the manus, showing the main three digits bearing weight rather than like a horse hoof that bears weight on a singular central digit.
19:28 literally spew out my drink as this was so unexpected yet hilarious
Parasurolophus is still my favourite dinosaur, so cool
Remember in one episode where an Altirinus or maybe other hadrosaurs appear on golf course and its summon a Diplodocus ( i cant remember the name) and launch the hadrosaur using its neck .
I think its my favorite move ! for being how much goofy and cool it looks . ❤😂
It was a _Supersaurus_ that it summoned. _Diplodocus_ (as _D. hallorum_ , which the show incorrectly referred to as _Seismosaurus_ even though the genera had been synonymized by then) had a flatter back and a proportionally shorter neck.
I was so disappointed that the giant sauropods didn't get used against the black T.rex wasted opportunity.
@@Oinker-Sploinker yeah kinda but we get to see a golfing sauropod and a fight between Supersaurus and Seismosaurus🦕
@@Oinker-Sploinker The giant sauropods were too broken to be used regularly, the Seismosaurus was almost invencible.
If I remember right, that move was super impact
Great video, but about Paris using sound offensively, Dinosaur King is a wacky work with elemental dinosaurs throwing each other like ragdolls independently of their size or biology, shooting fire, lightning or wind and even summoning other dinosaurs to aid them in a fight. I don't think that ability of hers should be taken seriously.
On the subject on summoning dinosaurs from Move Cards, will there also be a video talking about the dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and marine reptiles that appear only with the Move Cards?
There will be at some point, yes.
@@HodgePodge7 Whoop whoop!
@@HodgePodge7hyped
I adore this series. Keep it up man. Your voice is also quite soothing.
I have been waiting for this one I didn't know which one would come next
It'd be really cool if you also did the move card exclusive dinosaurs in a future video
Aside from waterfowl, hadrosaurs are my favorite type of dinosaur.
love it fingers crossed for Air element dinosaurs next
Power to you man, can't wait for the Fire and Water Caste Cards
12:11 a small nitpick. The baby in the anime is shown walking with decent ease right after hatching.
In reality, these guys would as helpless as baby backyard birds and could only stumble about. It’s why mortality rate for these hatchlings was about 90%
You should do an episode on all the summoned animals like the pterosaurs and marine reptiles!
OMG why do i suddenly remember watching this when i was 6, at grandma's house😭 a core memory
Great video as always, but I’m guessing you’re saving the move card dinosaurs for their own video after each of the elements.
I remember never realy liking how grass was the type that hires other guys to do the work for it, I couldn't see the connection at all
The summons were cool though, won't lie
There should've been a card that sent thorny vines everywhere and another that spewed toxic pollen. Grass should've had more cards involving using plants as weapons than summoning other animals.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 i know there were SOME moves like that, think there was 1 were you summon a big tree that smacks the enemy flying, but that is like 1 move out of like 20 summon ones
will agree though, more plant based tools could have been nice, or at the VERY least, have the summoned dinosaurs be made of wood or something
There's like 5 grass use cards against 100 summoning cards
@@QuentinFaivre-nc9vo oh yeah i forgot that the none elemental moves also had summons
which makes things even weirder to me, why not give grass actual GRASS stuff and leave summons as their own thing, i get WHY water has summons, it was a way to include marine reptiles, but the grass summons could haev been filled by regular summons
I don't mind Grass dinosaurs using summonings and support based moves, it makes then stand out against the other purely offensive elements. Plus it's a nice reference to the white mage class of RPGs.
17:16 I mean, parrots do something similar with their shrieks. It's not that odd.
actually in the anime and games, it seems that this group of dinosaurs were treated such that they could be both quadraped and bipedal at least with the way some animations worked
When will move dinosaurs/creatures be included?
man i wish we found a new american hadrosaur species just to name it anatotitan, cause that was a pretty metal name for a dinosaur along with olorotitan
Somehow, I doubt that the weight of an adult Altirhinus could be supported by a Supersaurs' neck without breaking it. Dinosaur King: Season 1, Episode 20 🦕
This is not the kind of show where you stop to think that.
love the video , just one question - the dinosaurs in their move cards such as various sauropords and pterosaurs dont appear as separate dinosaurs in the entire serioes , so im wondering will u be discussing about them as well or not
Are you going to cover the move card animals?
Seismosaurus (now Diplodocus)
Supersaurus
Oviraptor
Futabasaurus
Ophthalmosaurus
Pteranodon
Tupuxuara
Anhanguera
Pawpawsaurus
Piatnitzkysaurus
there is also Muraenosaurus, Archaeopteryx, Quetzalcoatlus, Struthiomimus, Dromiceiomimus, Tapejara, Segnosaurus, Stegoceras, Leaellynasaura and Troodon.
so David Peters understands ornithopod anatomy, but not Pterosaur lol
Never get a Hadrosaur expert to do a Pterosaur experts job I guess
Hope you're having a good day
15:30 Shantungo be LE GASP
Its chin is too pronounced imo.
17:10 I mean sperm whales can kill people with just how loud they are so it isn’t impossible.
nice
I wood say the designs are rooted in actual science. (This one was a hard one to come up with a pun for)
This franchise gave hadrosaurs the respect they needed
Not really. Grass doesn't have as many purely offensive cards that aren't summoning other animals.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 tell that to Maiasaura
@@landenriley8442 That card was Normal-type, not Grass. There's no Grass card that shoots thorny vines everywhere or anything else like that.
First up awesome video love what your doing but second What about the long neck Dino thought most of them where in this group
The sauropods are in the Water group, along with the spinosaurs.
Perhaps he'll do a movecard creature video with the Diplodocus, Supersaurus, and pterosaurs
Ah thanks
Okay but like, move card animals
I just realized why they made them grass type,the tyrannosaur is fire type, Hadrosaurs are grass,grass is weak to fire
They made them grass type just because Hadrosaurs are eaten by the rex
Not really. Dinosaur King's elemental advantage works so only one element prevails towards another while the rest do neutral damage, unlike in Pokemon where one type can damage several types effectively.
The type advantages as seen here at 0:19 are Fire -> Wind -> Grass -> Earth -> Lightning -> Water -> Fire, while the Secret element does neutral damage. Fire dinosaurs would only do an average damage to Grass dinos as opposed to Wind dinosaurs whose attacks would be effective against Grass.
I was hoping you would also go over the Pterasaurs and Sauropods of grass even if they are just move cards.
Do a video on movie monster what dinosaurs they are based on and what would have to be changed for them to live irl
What i'm confused about is Paris' gender aka the Parasaurolophus.
Zoe states that Paris' gender is female even tho the Parasaurolophus model is a male. I've researched that dino many many times, that female Parasaurolophuses have shorter and curvier crests than the males.
I want to know your own answer and opinions. Thank you.
There's no proof that Female Paras have shorter crests, Prasaurolophus has around 2-to-3 species and one of these species has shorter crests than the other, so that's it, they're not females, they're just another Para species.
You cant expect a show for kids where animals use elemental powers to be accurate all the time
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Dinosaur King touts itself as semi-educational, so some accuracy _is_ expected.
As others have said you're thinking of _Parasaurolophus cyrtocristatus_ , which had a smaller and more curved crest. It's not sexual dimorphism, it's a distinct species to the others.
Where's supersaurus and diplodocus
Most of the grass element dinosaurs have great models too bad some of the sounds they make suck, looking at you Olorotitan
And they had accurate _Parasaurolophus_ sounds in _1997_ , no need for Paris to sound like an elk...
Some plant Dinosaurs Also para para the Parasurolophus
I would avoid using David Peters’ work. His ornithopod hands might be fine but it’s best not to lend mister “photoshop proves pterosaurs were lizards” credibility
Lesgooooo, i absolutely love this series 🗣❤️🙏