(1273) XL-LOX Bicycle Wheel Lock
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2018
- A fairly typical bicycle lock found in Europe, you'll be surprised at how quickly you can rake your way into them. These simple wafer locks are NOT your best choice to lock up your expensive bike.
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Woo notification squad! I had this exact lock living* in Germany, except it said it was made by Abus
britska radiometeorograph its not this exact lock then.
cardiffpicker1 😂😂😂 same but not the same
Ring locks are common in Germany, but Abus and Axa locks are not even a little bit as badly made as this one.
I have exactly these locks on both of my shopping/cargo bikes. They are great for quick and convenient locking when riding from store to store. They retail for as little as 5 bucks here in Germany.
In Denmark 60 years ago they had one similar, but instead of a key way there was a button where the writing is on this lock. You moved it up/down and sideways in a plus + movement a certain number of times to open it.
In Then Netherlands it's like a standard lock often from factory, there are different types of cores, old ones could be opened with a flat screwdriver
axa sl7/9 blank key trick lol.
even the new axa locks can be beaten with light tention and sliding snake rake in and out
You can open cheap bycicle locks with a scissor
I just use my W rake for wafer locks at work. I love it, I've got pretty handy with it. Most wafer locks that have been used regularly will give up in a few rakes. Vehicle canopies and garage door/roller door locks people bring me mostly. Make keys to this for me. No problem. The cylinders are usually easier to remove in the open/partly open position. Worst case if you cant get it open you have to read it visually. Usually only the ones that require special core removal keys give me this problem though.
That's the kind of lock I saw on rental bikes 45 years ago in Japan. Anybody stealing them would just pick them up, throw them in the back of a van, and worry about the lock when they got to their workshop.
I suspect most bikes are stolen by someone seeing an unlocked bike and deciding it is easier than walking home
Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Or someone takes the one that's the least trouble of those close by.
I have been watching the bikes left behind on my university campus.Bikes with these types of locks are the only ones who stay for longer then 6 months after being left.The Abus chain locks have a nice second place.
In the 70's? Wow. I can't imagine how Japan could look back then.
People stealing in Japan? Weird. Anyways, this is just a secondary level lock IE, something you use along with another lock. Think of it as a caliper lock to a motorcycle.
This is either broken or a very dangerous lock. You need to twist the key in order to be able to begin closing. Twisting also releases.
Where I live, in The Netherlands, most are made by AXA. Type 3 and 5 are opened with a mother key that some criminals do have and therefore inadvisable. Type 7 and up do not function with one key anymore and are save. New ones are attached to a ground plate and difficult to remove from the bike. I remember they challenged the crowd in opening one when I was a kid. We found out later, hardened steel shatters to pieces when hit hard enough. Still it is a must have because with a chain and lock one steals the frame from one bike and the front wheel from another. People turn the bike around in order to break locks or they cut them. So an AXA lock is on the bike when you buy one. It was a surprise most of the popular ones and most advertised were to be opened with one and the same key.
And to think they are actually made in the Netherlands!
Thanks mate!
Lost my bike keys and was able to get it unlocked with your video. The part that you need to switch sides was crucial.
Sure you did.
I have an old bike lock thats pin tumbler with a crazy paracentric key way. It took me wayy longer to pick that then the new defiant mortis lock i just got...
There was a very similar lock to this one back in the 90s sold in Eastern Europe under ...uh the name escapes me, something like bamis or bramis bike, anyways, the lock looked substantially beefier and was mounted in the rear brake with (and this is one of the key differences) an angled plate to offset and help with the fact that the fact that the lock body was so big.
I also remember that the 'blister' also boasted that the lock body worked as a brake stiffener as well. Kinda want to find one again, i scrapped mine after i lost the keys to it, they seemed like decently made with a well defined key (not the cheapo ones you usually see in low to middle level entry bike things).
Hi bill do you think you could review the new sparrow Vorax by any chance?
In the Netherlands this comes standard on a bike usually AXA or ABUS brand, mandatory when insuring a bicycle.
For the insurance, the key retaining thing is important. So is the solid mounting to the bike. It means that if you can show all the keys, they can be pretty sure that the bike was actually locked up. With a U lock or chain, even if it’s key retaining, all they know is that was locked to *something*.
I have never heard of bike insurance in the netherlands. But then again I'm more used to places like Eindhoven where there is sort of an "open market" when it comes to bikes
Jim Meuwissen if you ever buy a new one, you’ll be offered it.
That style of ring lock is used with some electronics in the "shared" use bikes rented by the hour in Dallas. Can't say about other cities.
My old bike had a lock like this, but with an Abloy Ava core. I wish they still made those.
Me too...
Nicolas cadge knows his bike locks
Awesome channel
Man in Sweden we got those on every other bike.. You have an Okej lock there.. Why?
Because people don't usually pick shit and go for the big master key right away.
So they let th lock alone often when it connects the back wheel.
Totally okey for keeping the main crock away over here in Sweden actually, believe it or not..
but what about when it is mounted to a bike? is it that easy to tension as well?
It is actually easier when mounted on the bike because tie keyway is aligned perfectly for access - kind of like being mounted in a vise. But, unless you are very short, you'll have to work while on your knees...
its also a great stand for the bike. lock it up and rest the bike at a pole ore even with the pedal on a sidewalk stone.
i totally love this product, but i never would use it to lock up a bike that is not in my arms range😏
i just can bend it open with bare hands if i ever lost the key.
I think ive seen something like this that attaches to the frame/front forks so its always on the bike. of course id use a kevlar wrapped chain, and a tough pad lock to lock it to a permanent structure.
scott17818 i’d grab a plumber torch and add some brute force to that padlock man. you can break any lock on the streets
i have actually seen locks like this on bikes in seattle. they are for the bike sharing bikes from the different bike sharing companies. the ones on the bike are electronicly controlled. they are also timed. after the amount of time u have road the bike for has expired the lock will lock the wheel in place. also with those bikes if the bike is about to expire in time and you dont pay for another hour the bike will worn you to pay or they will call the police. strange thing
I bought a forever lock on your recommendation. Takes a little longer to lock, but can’t be picked
Watch the vid mate
Used to have one that was a combination lock,it had a reflector that could move N-S-E-W to open, if I find it, I will send it to you
AXA/Basta made these with factory combinations.
strange sound in the background like beads clicking together.
that type of lock is standard on the bicycle's here where the are common af. it stops random people taking your bike but the people stealing bikes will roll up in a van and lift... now there are ton's of crappy one's that aren't worth stealing but if you want your bike to be there when you get back you better attach it to something solid
Fast forward 4 years. Can't these locks be digitised now? So that they're unpickable like this?
Your mic has a weird buzz to it on certain syllables
Can you give me a little more detail so I can try to ID it and fix it? A time hack or certain syllable? Are you using headphones, buds, external speaker or integrated speaker? Computer, tablet or phone?
bosnianbill I notice this as well. 4:00 it's pretty clearly making a sort of scratching noise as you talk with the lock in hand. Using low end earbuds and a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 phone...
Dunno if it's the same noise King is picking up, but I'm getting a distinct sound in some places in the video, most notably around 4:50 - 5:10 and it sounds kinda like brushing against the microphone with something hard, that kind of metal on plastic sound.
I hear it through mobile phone speaker pretty much from the beginning.
Yeah definitely around the 4:00 mark like Mike said, it's prevelant through a lot of the more recent videos
It's one of those things where once you hear it you can't un hear it
Might be worth getting the audio in audacity and listening to snippets at a high volume
I'm listening to it through my logitech computer speaker,s but it's also noticeble on my phone, and with headphones.
1:28 Is the key bent...? Did it arrive like that, or did you mess it up, Bill?😉😂
Probably a poor quality key to go with a cheap lock that sits in the elements every day, given it is designed to attach to the bike frame. Eventually the lock starts seizing up and that is your result, a bent key. Not once but TWICE I have managed to snap the key to my bike lock while trying to open it. Thankfully the first time was at a shopping centre so I just went and bought some bolt cutters then casually "stole" my bike in a very busy public area. No one batted an eyelid to my surprise and dismay. Shows you can't rely on people to keep an eye on your bike. Lesson learned too, I use a decent quality Krypto or a padlock and chain these days.
good video
i did one with raking , light tention and just pull it out twice .
Snake rake ?
CC MOGS yes a small one with low bums ,
I like the bike lock videos, please look up some more different once!
Hi. I have an old bik lock with no key, just with 6 in and out slots. 3 posinens. In out or neutral. Woud you like to Pick it
Benny Benny hope he has it sent to him might be interesting
Only about 700 combustions to try
How much it cost tell me
Bicycle! Bicycle! I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike! Lol
Dunno if it is mentioned yet but this is el-cheapo bike lock. Most A-brand locks have slightly better cores.
The most expensive are Axa locks, they can also be raked fairly easy
I rarely leave my bike out of sight when I take out out but I usually put a 3/8"steel cable with my repinned brinks knock off of an American lock and anchor it to my truck something would be severely damaged and all the mountain bikers I know look out for each other
its frightening to think that people rely on cheaply made locks to guard expensive goods !
good video Bill 👍
Those are not mounted on expensive goods - just regular urban bicycles.
and it mostly stops someone from deciding that unlocked bike is easier than walking home, which is probably most of the bikes stolen
MasterBata bicycles are not cheap
Even the cheapest Gazelle or Batavus will cost $7-800, a high end one would be more than $2k and that's ignoring their e-bikes.
I have to wonder if the reason these aren't common in the US is just due to the prevalence of large automobiles around here, any would-be bike thief can just take a bike that's got a wheel lock on it and load it into a van, pickup truck, or a vehicle mounted bike rack, without even removing the lock.
Nice.
How does a bicycle wheel lock works
Are you planning on making a new "Naughty Bucket" video? Or have you made picked/whipped videos of most things since the last one?
I haven't made one in a long time, perhaps I should do an update... Thanks for the suggestion!
bosnianbill thats a video i'd be excited to see, I can't imagine what kind of nasty things are hiding there...
These are called "cafe locks" - I call them "taco truck locks". In the USA they're really only good for low-security situations like running into a store or - again - taking your eyes off of your bike for a minute as you order your burrito al pastor.
It would cost almost nothing to add braze-ons to city bike seat stays in the factory in order to make installation of these a piece of cake. Note that most dockless bike share bikes use a beefy, high-tech version of this.
On standard city bikes, these are directly attached to the bolts that hold the luggage rack. Undoing those bolts still leaves the lock trapped by the frame, yet is the standard way to replace an open lock.
Would a snowman have worked on this lock?
Would"ve been first choice for me :]
Sure, the lock doesn’t know the difference.
I have this lock but it's unbranded, that's why I use a chain lock 😹
I strongly suspect that these are vulnerable to a technique shown by Barry Wels of Toool in 2007 that was for Axa and Abus locks of almost identical design. Vulnerable locks are opened in the space of a couple of seconds.
A blank key that fits the lock is inserted, tension applied & the key swiftly withdrawn from the keyway. The effectively takes & opens the lock.
There is a RUclips video about it here : ruclips.net/video/K4SUSt2cwEk/видео.html
And a link to a discussion of the technique here : blackbag.toool.nl/?p=151
There is also further discussion of this elsewhere on the blackbag site.
Forgot to mention that many other wafer locks are vulnerable to this technique. It seems to have a lot to do with keyhole geometry - a lock with a mirror-image keyway to an otherwise identical that opens easily with this technique will often be much less vulnerable. Such a lock will invariably be vulnerable if the key can be turned in the opposite direction to open the lock.
Interesting, now I really want to see it gutted.
Not very common in UK and Australia either.
The average north American bike thief wouldn't know what the heck one of these things is.
Those locks are a pain in the b*tt when you need to remove it the destructive way. I've lost multiple keys on such locks.. And I hate them. Now I have an mountainbike with fat-ass cable lock... Haven't tried to pick it yet.
UPDATE: it worked!! I have the AXA 17-08 lock, and used one of those double sided "car" picks. It took me less than 3 minutes and had only changed 1 pick.
If i had to pick this.....double ball....or my half snowman.
Yeah, any kind of rake will do the job. The lock really doesn't care and can't tell the difference.
Agreed. Finally a use for it.
skygh you can open alot of locks with a half snowman. Mainly to get a false set and then also to pick the spools. Does not always work because of biting and keyways but it does work.
Use the half-snowman in work for the smaller wafers , personally a pick i like :]
Oh lord, can they stop putting in cappy wafer cylinder in locks?😨😨😨
LOL , there"s your answer Don - HOT TOKENS :]
You know that's why Master's rating system is screwy. It counts having a pin-tumbler instead of a wafer as "enhanced picking resistance"
Some of the latest automotive locks are still wafer locks and among the most secure. It's not the wafer lock itself, but the quality of it.
+Gamebox
You forgot MasterLocks's warded locks
Could be a great lock with a few mods.
Ya Raker ye ;0)
Hey, whatever works, right?
Bosnianbill For Sure
solution: back to the basic fundamentals. 👍
Arohi jha 2010
Gf
In Ye Olden Days those things looked like this i.pinimg.com/736x/84/6d/b5/846db5e5d3015113b67a7e45175d4be7---minnen.jpg
the pedal bikes i drove to school as a young boy 30 years aggo all had those kind of locks
This looks like a knock-off brand. See if you have an Axa or Trelock, these should be more secure.
so what ? throw the pedal bike in the back of a van or a pickup and take it away then hack the lock off with an angle grinder in your workshop at your leisure
If its mounted to the frame wouldn't that mean that a thief would only have to take the screws out to get it off? All so I don't understand these videos why would you put in this on RUclips teaching people to pick bloody locks do you want to help thieves?
And you're doing all this raking bent over someone else's bike and you still can't get it open. BUSTED!
Wow that is a shitty lock :/ I have a simillar one vom Abus with an attached chain and even then i only use it as a secondary lock.
Why the hell are you showing how to steal a bike