I'll SAVE YOU! Well, subscribe at least. Back cyber bullies, Back! The return of RTD is a time of joy! There's no such thing as coincidence. This calls for some Chameleon Circuit! Last 2 years were a dream sequence, never happened. These are special circumstances and I do wish it never really happened. There's always been times where we had to overlook things, I'm willing to pretend this never happened.
Harbo W. You missed the most important arcs of them all during RTD era, The Doctor and his Mother. How our Doctor came to be and birth by futurepast events (like how Ace was born). How the Master came to be born. (Donna Noble is the key; the heartbeats as Donna Noble gets trapped inside the TARDIS in Journeys End) as The incarnation from inbetween the twelvth and final regen was 50% Donna. (Aka the same heartbeats the Master heard thruout his life before Missy tricked him into ascending into becoming the new Black Guardian over time. How Rose was set up to become Romanalunda & the new White Guardian (and Santa) Please type me a message here and ill explain it all... And I mean EVERYTHING since 1963. Including how Doctor Tyler 1972 was the 0th riginal incarnation that never knew he was THE Doctor How Rose all along was the Doctors sister (ROse MArionN (A). How Clara is the new (current Doctor) for the new WHoniverse but that will never know she really is the Doctor. aka same as Doctor Tyler never knew aka Clara was the 0th riginal incarnation. AND how the raven save of Clara (yes the raven saved Clara to a harddrive) (PC had the same fate) AND!!!! CAL in the library is this raven save of Clara And that is the real 1st new Doctor that one day will know shes the Doctor. (CLara became the Doctor on Akehaten during the deamonstar speech (its in the lyrics to the song)
@Flarrow Storm it was announced earlier today. He’s coming back for the60th anniversary and the 2023 season. At least. He’ll be introducing the 14th Doctor.
DAVIES ERA 2.0 BABYYYYY! Such a crazy announcement to wake up to. I was talking to a friend not 12 hours before about how I missed RTD and how I wished he'd come back and this was the first piece of news I saw this morning.
I really didn't appreciate how good the RTD era was at the time. That's the first Doctor Who I ever saw, so that was my benchmark for how the show should be. Looking back, Doctor Who never deserved to be as fucking outstanding as it was in those years.
Something you notice with his writing during his seasons is he always manages to tie everything together and have an underlying sub-plot that becomes a major plot point later in the season. (Badwolf, the prophecies in Pompeii, the prophecies from the ood, etc.) Makes the show so much more captivating.
Can we talk about The Long Game and Bad Wolf for a minute? The Doctor's actions in one episode directly setting up the events of the finale created this immersive feeling that, in the hundred years between the two episodes, the universe had kept on going. It didn't feel like we just dipped into an episode that was waiting for The Doctor to arrive in order for plot to happen. This made the universe feel real, and lived in. That's also what we can observe with The Doctor's deposing of Harriet Jones, although that's never really made into a point in the show itself. It's a bit of a shame that sort of story didn't come up more often.
It’s so important that the stories tie so closely into the universe like this. I saw someone in the comments of a video once saying that they deem episodes they don’t like as non-canon, but with the Davies era that just doesn’t work. Like, if Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks isn’t canon, then the entirety of Series 4 doesnt happen, because Dalek Caan wouldn’t have brought the Doctor and Donna together.
I am not that concerned over canon. Ultimately most of it makes little sense if you compare certain stories to other stories, especially concerning the non-television ones. It could be possible that Caan temporal-shifted somewhere else, the Doctor met him again, then the next time he then went to the Time War. It's impossible to truly ascertain. Anyway all I really care about is good stories.
@@yannatoko9898 that's a good way to look at it, I reckon. I'm not here to impose my view of canon onto the rest of the world, so whatever works for you is best :)
Watching this video thinking man it would be cool for him to come back as show runner. Less than 24 hours later and its announced he's the new show runner. Congrats you summoned him
That joke didn’t even make sense if I recall. In the episode they blamed Brexit for UNIT’s unavailability, but UNIT had nothing to do with the EU, it was from the United Nations so the joke doesn’t work.
I always had a fan fiction belief that after Harmony Shoal infiltrated UNIT at the end of "The Return of Doctor Mysterio", UNIT had to go under and pretend to be canned by Governement cut backs, whilst some members continued operating freelance.
@@mayotango1317 I know, just... Make a video about a good show runner, he's confirmed to come back 24 hours later. Make a video about a good Doctor... Hope the pattern holds.
@Tristan Lane hmmmm, perhaps. They always let people who knew how to do their jobs, do their jobs. Even Clarkson said so himself. Thank you! Quite an underrated picture in regards to meme potential.
@Tristan Lane maybe, at least BBC has tried to turn Top Gear around, it’s a helluva lot better than in 2016. And it still has three straight white males in the main presenting roles, which is rare for them these days!
Thanks for this! I have seen disparaging references to "EastEnders in space"- but in the Classic series companions existed in a vacuum; no family back on earth, no friends, no ties. They needed grounding in reality, and there needed to be consequences for said family/friends.
@@alexpotts6520 - I don't either; the family connections grounded the show and gave it so much more scope. The tone of their comment was definitely not a compliment, in the context of "Thank goodness we've done with EastEnders in space and can get back to proper Doctor Who" - because in "proper Doctor Who" there were never story arcs or consequences.
Ace is a hallmark for this for me, as she had a proper backstory that could have worked very well if she was a companion for Nine or Ten, but she just kind of gets dropped in and it's all a bit anticlimactic.
The thing that I think is best about the worldbuilding of the Davies era is it really invites you to ask questions. I feel like with a lot of sci fi, I come out of it wondering what the characters are doing after the credits. It's fun to think about, but for most things it's just a hypothetical that you know the main show/movie doesn't really care about. By constantly showing the consequences of actions and the aftermath of different events, RTD is really inviting the audience to speculate about the world and characters. It's like he's legitimizing what is normally just seen as nerds being nerds. I love it
As much as I love the Moffat era for a multitude of reasons, the Whoniverse never felt as interconnected again. Sure, a little bit in 2010 when the Doctor brought up Stolen Earth and wondered why no one ever mentioned the CyberKing again, and again when he appeared in SJA's fourth series, but after that it lost a lot of that connectivity it had. He rebooted the universe and then had to reintroduce characters to creatures they should already know like Cybermen and Daleks, while stuff like Torchwood: Miracle Day, an event that impacted the whole world for months, was never even mentioned in the main show.
Russell T Davis was also in charge of TSJA, so he was responsible for the Brigadier, The Doctor (twice), and Jo Jones returning, as well as the the Slithen trying to get their revenge after Boom Town, the lone Sontaran stranded on Earth after The Poison Sky, and so on.
I disagree to an extent. Moffat did choose to connect less with the RTD era in the beginning, only offering throwaway comments to Daleks in the sky, but there were the Angels obviously and River Song and the appearance of the Tenth Doctor's TARDIS console room in the Doctor's Wife bc they had it in storage. But Moffat definitely built on what RTD already established. RTD did mostly standalone episode villains with the Daleks vs Cybermen episodes as exceptions. But Moffat had River Song meet the Angels, had Daleks pop up in non-Dalek episodes, did A Good Man Goes to War where the Cybermen show up along with a new Silurian and Sontaran character. He takes established continuity and plays off it. A non-soldier Sontaran as nurse and butler, a detective Silurian. RTD's Army of Ghosts was the beginning but it opened the door for Moffat to do Pandorica Opens, establish a passive grand universe of aliens that exist in the background of the show. He creates the Parliament of the Daleks and makes the name of the show itself a vital mystery. RTD set the groundwork for Moffat's playground, and in the Capaldi era he is confident enough to display his respect for the classic show and RTD era, first lovingly having Tennant mock his own role, bringing back Gallifrey, the Master and the Cybermen together, and then the Master meeting Davros from the RTD era with RTD era Daleks and bringing back Simm's master in a brilliant move plus old school Cybermen AND the first Doctor. Moffat's Who is cleverly interwoven timestreams from not just RTD but to classic Who, with the ending of Empress of Mars, the Brigadier and his daughter, the Zygons, the Fifth Doctor, the Eight Doctor's Night of the Doctor... Moffat accepted that continuity in Doctor Who is flexible. The villain in Name of the Doctor is the one going through the Doctor's time stream to know every fact, the Intelligence killing for knowledge to find out the Doctor's name, but in the end the message is the name is not important, Clara is the savior bc she is there throughout the Doctor's run telling him "the navigation's knackered but it's more fun that way". Do your own thing. He's an ageless being, a sunset, a mountain, who lives for so long that memories blur and time becomes meaningless. Things from ancient history can come back and new things can become ancient history. People don't respect what Moffat brought to Who, really. A self-awareness too, with the Doctor using his outfit as his sense of identity, like the bowtie and the question mark underwear. But also the inherent contradictions in the show itself. It's all connected. Then Chibnall came and threw 15 years of continuity out the window.
Agreed! While I liked how Moffat decided to do his own things by setting it in the future rather than add to the RTD era, I do kind of miss it. Sure, it’s better than him trying to change so many plot elements of the universe RTD created with the possibility of screwing it up, but it’s a bit sad that he can’t provide his own takes on it at least.
Thing about Moffat’s Daleks is as much as I adore his portrayal of a “dying” Davros and his relationship with the doctor, the whole bringing back Skaro thing without any explanation (or doing anything without any explanation) is so annoying when you want a cohesive world with dramatic tension. It could have been such an epic revelation and instead it was like “oh the Daleks are back in power now okay.”
Yeah, one of my many gripes with that story was the fact that certain character returns were deliberately given no explanation and this was almost played for laughs.
I never noticed how much I appreciated knowing the state of play when it came to factions like the Daleks and Cybermen. In the RTD era we know how these daleks came to be here and what their whole empire is looking like at that moment from the last time we saw them. With Moffat after their first appearance they're just everywhere with no explanation and there isn't much connection between all the daleks we come across
He really gave the show a nuance that it never really had before, for me at times it felt very much like season 26 (in all the best ways possible). Rtd is such a lovely guy & a genius writer. Great video Mate 👍🏼
I'm rewatching and really enjoying the Moffat era right now, but the RTD era will always hold a special place in my heart. It was so popular, and so fun. I think I do prefer the aesthetics of the Moffat era - it has my favourite TARDIS interior, exterior, Sonic Screwdriver, and opening titles. But there's something so indescribably comfy about RTD's Who.
You liked the Moffat era,wow I don’t think I’ve read anyone else write that! Two words that make me ill , MATT SMITH! Smith gave silly Doctor vibes like the ones from the classic era My favourite Doctors are Christopher Eccleston then Hurt,Tennant,Capaldi and finally Whittaker. . From the classic era Jon Pertwee is my favourite. He wasn’t like that clown Tom Baker!! Peace and happiness from Dublin 🇮🇪
I'm surprised you didn't mention: "Impactful events" An issue I can feel with later series of Doctor Who is that the events didn't feel very impactful, their significance didn't always hit but with Russel, we got an entire episode dedicated to why the Doctor is around and how important it was that he was there... Turn Left. We got to see not only a political episode, but also one that expands on the Story. It gets boring the Doctor saying he's a bad person or an idiot when everyone around him tells him at every moment of his existence that he's important and great and special and amazing etc. But Turn left gets that point across on why the Doctor is important, way more than Name of the Doctor did, seeing people disappear is way less interesting then see an Alternate Universe where everything goes WRONG.
I do hope we get a mini Timelord victorious moment for Jodie like "For a long time being in this body, I tried, I really tried to forget what rage was, loss, anger! Stay true to the words of my last. Run fast, be kind! But it's people like you that make me remember!". Don't know who she'd be talking to but I think it'd be a good thing for her Doctors character because so many people didn't like her for basically disregarding the mental state and pure struggle that sometimes accompanies being the Doctor.
The other great thing about The Last Sontaran is that not only is it a sequel to The Poison Sky, but Sarah Jane has met the Sontarans twice before, so there are brilliant references to Classic Who.
As a writer myself with multiple universes I know how important concistency is and how you need to calculate the influence of things and how even the smallest details can affect things. It can be a pain in the ass to think out, sure, but if you do it right, you can place worldbuilding details that a trained eye/ear will notice.
HOLY F###! Not to take attention from your truly FANTASTIC video, Harbo, but did you hear the news?! *RTD HAS RETURNED TO DOCTOR WHO!!!* Fricken Unreal!
This is one thing I'm really looking forward to with RTD's return. Moffat's era was too episodic, the kids Clara nannied never mattered after series 7b, they never explained how she became a teacher, and her family were background characters at best. Same with Amy and Rory. How many jobs did Amy have throughout her tenure? And it never mattered. The 14th Doctor's era will--hopefully--connect with series 1-4, as well as with people and groups Moffat and Chibnall established. Chibnall has, in all likelihood, no plans to explore the Timeless Child or the Division. Oh, he'll dump more lore on us (we'll probably see the Doctor's home universe and reveal her actual species), but I have no doubts that's all it'll be. Rusty will take that lore and actually craft it into something that actually MATTERS going forward, because that's what he excels at as a storyteller.
Watching this right after the news of RTD's return makes me so excited for Doctor Who again after a long time of slowly being less excited with it. The next few years are going to be so exciting
The planet zog quote is one of the strangest, since sci-fi has endured for decades with audiences did give a toss. The 1963 Dalek story wouldn't have landed otherwise.
13:51 it's kinda funny at home in germany (expat parents) we have torchwood s1-3 in english dvds but miracle day is a german one, where you have to change the language to english every time you put it in the player, gwen's german voice is really funny though, but german who/ torchwood dubs are really not the best, because they heavily use the formal "sie" instead of the informal "du", when e.g. rose is emotionally talking to the doctor and she says "sie" it really breaks immersion XD
My experience discovering DrWho was so weird precisely because of this. I didn't know Christmas specials were a thing, so I watched the first 3 seasons and the first episode of the fourth without them. in my first watching, I thought they had randomly changed the main actor for some reason, but hadn't explained it for the character. When Donna showed up, they clearly knew each other but I didn't know how or when they had met. RTD made such an interconnected storyline that you have to watch EVERYTHING on his era to understand
Something that the RTD era did that I really loved was create good companions, Rose was the companion who made the doctor feel more human. Martha was independent and a fighter. Donna was hilarious and her ending still punches me in the gut every time I watch it. Now don’t get me wrong, Amy and Rory were brilliant and they are my favorite companions. After that though the companions went down hill, I did like Clara but after her they got so forgettable. The companions make up this show just as much as the Doctor does.
I kind off hated how the big events in London of RTD, had almost never being mentioned after season 4, i would love to see now that the king has return, some throwback to some of this, like being London's history
Davies was the king of continuity, tone, audience, pacing, everything. Moffatt had a lot of that - he didn’t have a lot of care for continuity or world-building which irked me (in his defence he did set up a lot of organisations and characters that would return in the Smith Era) but he did have a huge desire for loveable characters and the core themes of the show (goodness, love, decency etc). Chibnall on the other hand… hm… I can see what he’s trying to do but it’s just not quite hitting the mark. I can’t wait for RTD2
Moffat wrote stories that didn't really make sense, but in a very dramatic way that screams "look, this is meaningful and important!", which on the one hand can make you go "oh, cool!" while ignoring the fact the plot doesn't make sense, but on the other hand when you do realize it, the disappointment is very strong. While most of the stories Chubnall writes are just boring. Not sure which is worse.
Even though i love Moffat's era, I hate that he never gives an explanation for a characters return. The Daleks are back in Victory of the Daleks, they win, make the new Paradigm daleks, and then nothing is done with them...they all just appear in Asylum and there's like enough Daleks to destroy the universe and the Doctor does nothing. Missy reappeares with no explanation, the Master as well. The 12th Doctor saves Gallifrey also without any context...
Not to forget that they found Yana (The master) because the tardis was trying to shake Jack off itself and took them to the end of the universe, so if the 10th doctor had just waited for jack in the game station it wouldnt have happened
I consider the Universal Monsters & the Buffyverse good references for early interconnected universes in film & tv, respectively. There were sitcoms & soap operas interweaving much sooner than Buffy, for instance, but Buffy is the earliest example I can find on tv of interlocking narrative connections with long term effects that has become popular, along with the spin-off properties constantly interacting with the original (if you can cite something earlier, or something interesting or obscure, or even just wanna talk about this topic, feel free to leave replies, I'd love to talk more about it and maybe learn something I overlooked)
@@samuelkent4674 The video was made available for people to view on Wednesday in UK time (which is where Harbo is based) and the announcement was Friday UK time.
Some of the reactions remind me of those who hate current Star Wars suddenly "remembering" how much they loved the prequels, as in when RTD was originally in charge he got his own "He's ruining the show!" reactions...clearly remember at the time some were complaining his version was too "camp". Etc.
That was a noice Essay. Imo I don't really think it's any lesser than the MCU, I'd say it's a bit better causes there was strong connection. And MCU fell a bit weak sometimes.
MCU was artificial - it took a bunch of characters who already existed in their own worlds, and were intended for those separate worlds, and threw threw together. Whereas the various characters, locations & story arcs of RTD's Who were designed to be part of a cohesive whole from the start.
I have an issue with Russell's "Zogs from planet Zog" comment and it's this. Luke Skywalker is a boy with telekinetic powers who wields a laser sword and was born on a desert planet in a galaxy far, far away and whose father is a cyborg leader of a galactic empire. Aang from Avatar: The Last Airbender was a boy born with the power to control all three elements, basically a god incarnate, who lives in a world where people control the elements and where he was to fight off against an army of people who can control fire. Frodo Baggins is a Hobbit who is friends with an Ainur and who lives in a fantasy world completely separated from our world where he has to destroy a ring that belonged to an evil sorceress with an army of Uruk-hai. None of these people have lives that are relatable to everyday people, nor do they live in a world that's like ours, but you relate to them because of their emotional connections to people, how they interact with the world around them and how that world created those people. Locations do not make relatable characters, it's having...you know...character.
That statement has been taken a little out of context over the years. In 2005, a lot of people wouldn't have bothered with Doctor Who as they just thought it was a stupid light kids show that just shows weird aliens and doesn't get into character stuff. To get normal people to watch the show, he had to give them more grounded characters, i.e, ones that wouldn't feel out of place in a sensible program.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer The problem is that normal people hate space/fantasy shows. No wonder that those weirdos Tennant/Rose lovers complain about the classic era and moffat era.
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I'll SAVE YOU! Well, subscribe at least. Back cyber bullies, Back! The return of RTD is a time of joy! There's no such thing as coincidence. This calls for some Chameleon Circuit! Last 2 years were a dream sequence, never happened. These are special circumstances and I do wish it never really happened. There's always been times where we had to overlook things, I'm willing to pretend this never happened.
Harbo W. You missed the most important arcs of them all during RTD era,
The Doctor and his Mother.
How our Doctor came to be and birth by futurepast events (like how Ace was born).
How the Master came to be born. (Donna Noble is the key; the heartbeats as Donna Noble gets trapped inside the TARDIS in Journeys End) as The incarnation from inbetween the twelvth and final regen was 50% Donna. (Aka the same heartbeats the Master heard thruout his life before Missy tricked him into ascending into becoming the new Black Guardian over time.
How Rose was set up to become Romanalunda & the new White Guardian (and Santa)
Please type me a message here and ill explain it all...
And I mean EVERYTHING since 1963.
Including how Doctor Tyler 1972 was the 0th riginal incarnation that never knew he was THE Doctor
How Rose all along was the Doctors sister (ROse MArionN (A).
How Clara is the new (current Doctor) for the new WHoniverse but that will never know she really is the Doctor. aka same as Doctor Tyler never knew aka Clara was the 0th riginal incarnation.
AND how the raven save of Clara (yes the raven saved Clara to a harddrive) (PC had the same fate)
AND!!!!
CAL in the library is this raven save of Clara And that is the real 1st new Doctor that one day will know shes the Doctor.
(CLara became the Doctor on Akehaten during the deamonstar speech (its in the lyrics to the song)
This could not have been published at a better time: RTD is coming back to write Doctor Who
@Flarrow Storm it was announced earlier today. He’s coming back for the60th anniversary and the 2023 season. At least. He’ll be introducing the 14th Doctor.
@Flarrow Storm 100% true! He's back!
DAVIES ERA 2.0 BABYYYYY! Such a crazy announcement to wake up to. I was talking to a friend not 12 hours before about how I missed RTD and how I wished he'd come back and this was the first piece of news I saw this morning.
@@richardvinsen2385 is he coming back as a showrunner or just for the 60th anniversary episode?
@@larsswig912 both.
It's crazy cause RTD had no business making the Whoniverse so interconnected and real. He really set the bar so high for Moffat and Chibnall
I really didn't appreciate how good the RTD era was at the time. That's the first Doctor Who I ever saw, so that was my benchmark for how the show should be. Looking back, Doctor Who never deserved to be as fucking outstanding as it was in those years.
And they both tore the bar off the rails and melted it down, Moffat trashed all the continuity, I really didnt like him for that
The classic series never was interconect or continuity. The Fourth Doctor era was a tabula rasa.
@@theentity5201 Why, everybody did that with his Doctors.
Yeah the bar was too high that nobody else could beat him so he's had to return to put the show back on track 😂😂
Harbo Wholmes: *posts video praising Russell T Davies era*
Not even 24 hours later: *BBC announces Russell T Davies is returning as showrunner*
Was about to say this. I can't wait. It seems a lot of others are returning including Murray Gold, too.
48 hours actually.
Congratulations, you were the first to say it!
@@xaqqa MURRAY GOLD
He was that flattered haha
Something you notice with his writing during his seasons is he always manages to tie everything together and have an underlying sub-plot that becomes a major plot point later in the season. (Badwolf, the prophecies in Pompeii, the prophecies from the ood, etc.) Makes the show so much more captivating.
100% thats elevates the show so much
Yep that’s true he made a cohesive world it’s a shame that they couldn’t make some references to his era bc now it’s just a new world.
You must hate the classic era?
@@mayotango1317 pre ninth doctor? I haven’t watched any of that besides a couple movies
@@hoobslice You must watch it. You really must watch it.
Can we talk about The Long Game and Bad Wolf for a minute? The Doctor's actions in one episode directly setting up the events of the finale created this immersive feeling that, in the hundred years between the two episodes, the universe had kept on going. It didn't feel like we just dipped into an episode that was waiting for The Doctor to arrive in order for plot to happen. This made the universe feel real, and lived in.
That's also what we can observe with The Doctor's deposing of Harriet Jones, although that's never really made into a point in the show itself. It's a bit of a shame that sort of story didn't come up more often.
What a coincidence! Just announced as showrunner... again! God Bless RTD! For my childhood (and for a big part of me)!
you're joking right
this has to be some sort of cruel, sick, twisted joke to get our hopes up right?
@@sahilonpc9250 no, is true, is for real. what world you living in? Was announced a 1 week on twitter, bbc news etc.
@@marcos-ll2yr damn
And RTD kill the show.
It’s so important that the stories tie so closely into the universe like this. I saw someone in the comments of a video once saying that they deem episodes they don’t like as non-canon, but with the Davies era that just doesn’t work. Like, if Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks isn’t canon, then the entirety of Series 4 doesnt happen, because Dalek Caan wouldn’t have brought the Doctor and Donna together.
I suppose so. I was never really a fan of that "destiny" aspect.
@@yannatoko9898 tbh, I'm not a fan of it either, but I stand by my point that you can't just pick and choose canon when it comes to the tv show
I am not that concerned over canon. Ultimately most of it makes little sense if you compare certain stories to other stories, especially concerning the non-television ones. It could be possible that Caan temporal-shifted somewhere else, the Doctor met him again, then the next time he then went to the Time War. It's impossible to truly ascertain. Anyway all I really care about is good stories.
@@yannatoko9898 that's a good way to look at it, I reckon. I'm not here to impose my view of canon onto the rest of the world, so whatever works for you is best :)
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Watching this video thinking man it would be cool for him to come back as show runner. Less than 24 hours later and its announced he's the new show runner. Congrats you summoned him
I'm still bitter about UNIT being canned in a call centre/government cuts joke in Resolution. UNIT deserved better dammit!
That joke didn’t even make sense if I recall. In the episode they blamed Brexit for UNIT’s unavailability, but UNIT had nothing to do with the EU, it was from the United Nations so the joke doesn’t work.
Lucky unit is returning in next years special
I always had a fan fiction belief that after Harmony Shoal infiltrated UNIT at the end of "The Return of Doctor Mysterio", UNIT had to go under and pretend to be canned by Governement cut backs, whilst some members continued operating freelance.
@@Doiknowyou566 chibnall for you
@@DalekCaanOfSkaro That's a really good headcanon.
I like how the thumbnail makes RTD look like the Doctor
"Quel dommage, Davros!"
Make a video about the strengths of Christopher Eccleston’s Doctor before they announce who 14 will be, I think you’ve got a gift.
He did that in his Series 1 videos. And was so much hate behind the scenes.
@@mayotango1317 I know, just... Make a video about a good show runner, he's confirmed to come back 24 hours later. Make a video about a good Doctor... Hope the pattern holds.
@@chiffon788 I wait for The Eleventh Hour review.
we can only hope
@@chiffon788 48 hours later.
Here after they just announced he's coming back as showrunner, fuck yeah bois we did it!
You didn't do anything
WAIT REALLY??! WOW!!
@Tristan Lane you think the BBC won’t want to replicate the show’s most popular age? His?
@Tristan Lane hmmmm, perhaps. They always let people who knew how to do their jobs, do their jobs. Even Clarkson said so himself.
Thank you! Quite an underrated picture in regards to meme potential.
@Tristan Lane maybe, at least BBC has tried to turn Top Gear around, it’s a helluva lot better than in 2016. And it still has three straight white males in the main presenting roles, which is rare for them these days!
Thanks for this!
I have seen disparaging references to "EastEnders in space"- but in the Classic series companions existed in a vacuum; no family back on earth, no friends, no ties. They needed grounding in reality, and there needed to be consequences for said family/friends.
I use the phrase "Eastenders in space" too, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
@@alexpotts6520 - I don't either; the family connections grounded the show and gave it so much more scope.
The tone of their comment was definitely not a compliment, in the context of "Thank goodness we've done with EastEnders in space and can get back to proper Doctor Who" - because in "proper Doctor Who" there were never story arcs or consequences.
Ace is a hallmark for this for me, as she had a proper backstory that could have worked very well if she was a companion for Nine or Ten, but she just kind of gets dropped in and it's all a bit anticlimactic.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Still, she is more badass.
The thing that I think is best about the worldbuilding of the Davies era is it really invites you to ask questions. I feel like with a lot of sci fi, I come out of it wondering what the characters are doing after the credits. It's fun to think about, but for most things it's just a hypothetical that you know the main show/movie doesn't really care about. By constantly showing the consequences of actions and the aftermath of different events, RTD is really inviting the audience to speculate about the world and characters. It's like he's legitimizing what is normally just seen as nerds being nerds. I love it
Why Torchwood never capture the Third Doctor in the 70s.
what a coincidence that a day after the video davies is now the showrunner
HARBO IS THE BBC CONFIRMED
Two days after this video.
Timely video because RTD is back as showrunner!
As much as I love the Moffat era for a multitude of reasons, the Whoniverse never felt as interconnected again. Sure, a little bit in 2010 when the Doctor brought up Stolen Earth and wondered why no one ever mentioned the CyberKing again, and again when he appeared in SJA's fourth series, but after that it lost a lot of that connectivity it had. He rebooted the universe and then had to reintroduce characters to creatures they should already know like Cybermen and Daleks, while stuff like Torchwood: Miracle Day, an event that impacted the whole world for months, was never even mentioned in the main show.
The classic series never is conected.
Russell T Davis was also in charge of TSJA, so he was responsible for the Brigadier, The Doctor (twice), and Jo Jones returning, as well as the the Slithen trying to get their revenge after Boom Town, the lone Sontaran stranded on Earth after The Poison Sky, and so on.
I disagree to an extent. Moffat did choose to connect less with the RTD era in the beginning, only offering throwaway comments to Daleks in the sky, but there were the Angels obviously and River Song and the appearance of the Tenth Doctor's TARDIS console room in the Doctor's Wife bc they had it in storage. But Moffat definitely built on what RTD already established. RTD did mostly standalone episode villains with the Daleks vs Cybermen episodes as exceptions. But Moffat had River Song meet the Angels, had Daleks pop up in non-Dalek episodes, did A Good Man Goes to War where the Cybermen show up along with a new Silurian and Sontaran character. He takes established continuity and plays off it. A non-soldier Sontaran as nurse and butler, a detective Silurian. RTD's Army of Ghosts was the beginning but it opened the door for Moffat to do Pandorica Opens, establish a passive grand universe of aliens that exist in the background of the show. He creates the Parliament of the Daleks and makes the name of the show itself a vital mystery. RTD set the groundwork for Moffat's playground, and in the Capaldi era he is confident enough to display his respect for the classic show and RTD era, first lovingly having Tennant mock his own role, bringing back Gallifrey, the Master and the Cybermen together, and then the Master meeting Davros from the RTD era with RTD era Daleks and bringing back Simm's master in a brilliant move plus old school Cybermen AND the first Doctor. Moffat's Who is cleverly interwoven timestreams from not just RTD but to classic Who, with the ending of Empress of Mars, the Brigadier and his daughter, the Zygons, the Fifth Doctor, the Eight Doctor's Night of the Doctor... Moffat accepted that continuity in Doctor Who is flexible. The villain in Name of the Doctor is the one going through the Doctor's time stream to know every fact, the Intelligence killing for knowledge to find out the Doctor's name, but in the end the message is the name is not important, Clara is the savior bc she is there throughout the Doctor's run telling him "the navigation's knackered but it's more fun that way". Do your own thing. He's an ageless being, a sunset, a mountain, who lives for so long that memories blur and time becomes meaningless. Things from ancient history can come back and new things can become ancient history. People don't respect what Moffat brought to Who, really. A self-awareness too, with the Doctor using his outfit as his sense of identity, like the bowtie and the question mark underwear. But also the inherent contradictions in the show itself. It's all connected.
Then Chibnall came and threw 15 years of continuity out the window.
With torchwood, they probably couldn't mention plots in doctor who as younger viewers may have become interested, and checked out torchwood.
Agreed! While I liked how Moffat decided to do his own things by setting it in the future rather than add to the RTD era, I do kind of miss it. Sure, it’s better than him trying to change so many plot elements of the universe RTD created with the possibility of screwing it up, but it’s a bit sad that he can’t provide his own takes on it at least.
this video aged like a fine wine in less than 24 hours
Exactly lmao
48 hours.
Thing about Moffat’s Daleks is as much as I adore his portrayal of a “dying” Davros and his relationship with the doctor, the whole bringing back Skaro thing without any explanation (or doing anything without any explanation) is so annoying when you want a cohesive world with dramatic tension. It could have been such an epic revelation and instead it was like “oh the Daleks are back in power now okay.”
Yeah, one of my many gripes with that story was the fact that certain character returns were deliberately given no explanation and this was almost played for laughs.
Is because is a mistery. In real world, you never get all the answers
Gonna be weird having to now refer to the Davies Era as the *First* Davies Era.
I still call it the T Davies era. I'm calling the second one the Re-Davies era
I never noticed how much I appreciated knowing the state of play when it came to factions like the Daleks and Cybermen. In the RTD era we know how these daleks came to be here and what their whole empire is looking like at that moment from the last time we saw them. With Moffat after their first appearance they're just everywhere with no explanation and there isn't much connection between all the daleks we come across
After the paradigm Daleks run away, the Dalek empire reborn. That is, simple.
And the Mondas Cybermen always exist in the main universe.
The timing of this is insane
He really gave the show a nuance that it never really had before, for me at times it felt very much like season 26 (in all the best ways possible). Rtd is such a lovely guy & a genius writer. Great video Mate 👍🏼
>"it felt very much like season 26"
There's a reason why I've seen people say Ace was the spiritual ancestor of Rose Tyler
RTD: And I'll fucking do it all again
I'm rewatching and really enjoying the Moffat era right now, but the RTD era will always hold a special place in my heart. It was so popular, and so fun.
I think I do prefer the aesthetics of the Moffat era - it has my favourite TARDIS interior, exterior, Sonic Screwdriver, and opening titles. But there's something so indescribably comfy about RTD's Who.
You liked the Moffat era,wow I don’t think I’ve read anyone else write that!
Two words that make me ill , MATT SMITH! Smith gave silly Doctor vibes like the ones from the classic era
My favourite Doctors are Christopher Eccleston then Hurt,Tennant,Capaldi and finally Whittaker. .
From the classic era Jon Pertwee is my favourite. He wasn’t like that clown Tom Baker!!
Peace and happiness from Dublin 🇮🇪
Many say that. Nobody cares about the Chibnall era.
He's returning now omg
@@RobTFilms I know, it's so exciting!
@@LiveHedgehog yeah 😒
PERFECTLY
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I'm surprised you didn't mention:
"Impactful events"
An issue I can feel with later series of Doctor Who is that the events didn't feel very impactful, their significance didn't always hit but with Russel, we got an entire episode dedicated to why the Doctor is around and how important it was that he was there...
Turn Left.
We got to see not only a political episode, but also one that expands on the Story. It gets boring the Doctor saying he's a bad person or an idiot when everyone around him tells him at every moment of his existence that he's important and great and special and amazing etc.
But Turn left gets that point across on why the Doctor is important, way more than Name of the Doctor did, seeing people disappear is way less interesting then see an Alternate Universe where everything goes WRONG.
Classic Who never need that.
Rewatching this because the hype train for RTD2 IS REAL
@Tristan Lane have faith
RTD2 is such a great pun.
RTD really doesn't get enough credit for how intricately he planned things out and how rich his world-building was.
He put animals head in aliens.
I do hope we get a mini Timelord victorious moment for Jodie like "For a long time being in this body, I tried, I really tried to forget what rage was, loss, anger! Stay true to the words of my last. Run fast, be kind! But it's people like you that make me remember!".
Don't know who she'd be talking to but I think it'd be a good thing for her Doctors character because so many people didn't like her for basically disregarding the mental state and pure struggle that sometimes accompanies being the Doctor.
That never will happen.
You must feel so stupid now.
The other great thing about The Last Sontaran is that not only is it a sequel to The Poison Sky, but Sarah Jane has met the Sontarans twice before, so there are brilliant references to Classic Who.
As a writer myself with multiple universes I know how important concistency is and how you need to calculate the influence of things and how even the smallest details can affect things. It can be a pain in the ass to think out, sure, but if you do it right, you can place worldbuilding details that a trained eye/ear will notice.
Yvonne Hartman is a true queen, spectacular simpage taste
Ah how I love your essays! Looking forward to it.
So gassed that the elements in this video should be returning again in 2023!
The timing, I can't
HOLY F###!
Not to take attention from your truly FANTASTIC video, Harbo, but did you hear the news?!
*RTD HAS RETURNED TO DOCTOR WHO!!!*
Fricken Unreal!
When the world needed him most RTD returned
More gay and woke as ever.
Seriously? Why not a new producer? So far, RTD has just done more of the same but applied to classic era companions and Doctors
This is one thing I'm really looking forward to with RTD's return.
Moffat's era was too episodic, the kids Clara nannied never mattered after series 7b, they never explained how she became a teacher, and her family were background characters at best. Same with Amy and Rory. How many jobs did Amy have throughout her tenure? And it never mattered. The 14th Doctor's era will--hopefully--connect with series 1-4, as well as with people and groups Moffat and Chibnall established.
Chibnall has, in all likelihood, no plans to explore the Timeless Child or the Division. Oh, he'll dump more lore on us (we'll probably see the Doctor's home universe and reveal her actual species), but I have no doubts that's all it'll be. Rusty will take that lore and actually craft it into something that actually MATTERS going forward, because that's what he excels at as a storyteller.
There was actually a line about Amy getting a new job every other week in Power of Three. It just goes to she how non committal she is
Doctor Who always was episodic, even the classic show.
Watching this right after the news of RTD's return makes me so excited for Doctor Who again after a long time of slowly being less excited with it. The next few years are going to be so exciting
What brilliant timing
GUESS WHOS BAAAAACK!!
You're giving me Flashbacks with the old school Runescape music!
The timing man
HES COMING BACK NOW
I'd like Luke and Clyde to pop back up
Maybe they set up an agency in the wake of sarahs death
The planet zog quote is one of the strangest, since sci-fi has endured for decades with audiences did give a toss. The 1963 Dalek story wouldn't have landed otherwise.
13:51 it's kinda funny at home in germany (expat parents) we have torchwood s1-3 in english dvds but miracle day is a german one, where you have to change the language to english every time you put it in the player, gwen's german voice is really funny though, but german who/ torchwood dubs are really not the best, because they heavily use the formal "sie" instead of the informal "du", when e.g. rose is emotionally talking to the doctor and she says "sie" it really breaks immersion XD
Crazy how dw just took off in Germany. Never had it there when I was a kid and now everyone knows what it is
Then I'm glad in Poland we use lektor instead of costly dubb
Yes! The use of sie is so weird!
My experience discovering DrWho was so weird precisely because of this. I didn't know Christmas specials were a thing, so I watched the first 3 seasons and the first episode of the fourth without them. in my first watching, I thought they had randomly changed the main actor for some reason, but hadn't explained it for the character. When Donna showed up, they clearly knew each other but I didn't know how or when they had met. RTD made such an interconnected storyline that you have to watch EVERYTHING on his era to understand
What are the chances this video came out before the announcement that he's back!
Perfect timing for a video
Something that the RTD era did that I really loved was create good companions, Rose was the companion who made the doctor feel more human. Martha was independent and a fighter. Donna was hilarious and her ending still punches me in the gut every time I watch it. Now don’t get me wrong, Amy and Rory were brilliant and they are my favorite companions. After that though the companions went down hill, I did like Clara but after her they got so forgettable. The companions make up this show just as much as the Doctor does.
Nardole and Bill are so great.
But a find Martha a bit patethic
Rose is a bitch that make the Doctor a annoying tennager.
Harbo finally wraps up the rtd era
Rtd - lol jk
Perfect Timing for a video on RTD X)
Dang that little jingle playing between segments is super catchy. Got me doin a little jig whenever it played. XD
I kind off hated how the big events in London of RTD, had almost never being mentioned after season 4, i would love to see now that the king has return, some throwback to some of this, like being London's history
Remember when the London Underground was invaded by robot Yetis, or the Dinosaur invasion or the Daleks in the world peace conferency?
@@mayotango1317great times, should definitely be memorable in UK history in DW world.
@@capricorn878 Or the fact that nobody know what a Dalek is in a bunker in Utah in 2012 (Series 1 Dalek episode)
@@mayotango1317 its lame, the owner of the internet having so little knowledge about the creature
@@capricorn878 Everybody in 2012 know what a Dalek is, even after the 2009 invasion with planets in the sky.
Davies was the king of continuity, tone, audience, pacing, everything. Moffatt had a lot of that - he didn’t have a lot of care for continuity or world-building which irked me (in his defence he did set up a lot of organisations and characters that would return in the Smith Era) but he did have a huge desire for loveable characters and the core themes of the show (goodness, love, decency etc). Chibnall on the other hand… hm… I can see what he’s trying to do but it’s just not quite hitting the mark. I can’t wait for RTD2
Moffat wrote stories that didn't really make sense, but in a very dramatic way that screams "look, this is meaningful and important!", which on the one hand can make you go "oh, cool!" while ignoring the fact the plot doesn't make sense, but on the other hand when you do realize it, the disappointment is very strong. While most of the stories Chubnall writes are just boring. Not sure which is worse.
Moffat write the show like the classic series, more episodic and no continuity.
That why RTD never feel Doctor Who for me. Is so limited and small.
Decency? The Fourth Doctor suck a penis in Creature of the Pit.
you're so right. this was just such a cool, epic era and nothing can surpass it in how many tie ins it had to the eventual finale
Hahahaha great timing
Beautifully timed video, considering the news
Excellent timing ;)
How perfectly timed was this?
That bit at the end of Fiveish Doctors with Russell T is gonna be even funnier now with the news. The guy really did have more to say.
Boy, do I have news for you…
👀 After hearing the news very timely
You have the GREATEST TIMING in the WORLD
And he’s back
Even though i love Moffat's era, I hate that he never gives an explanation for a characters return. The Daleks are back in Victory of the Daleks, they win, make the new Paradigm daleks, and then nothing is done with them...they all just appear in Asylum and there's like enough Daleks to destroy the universe and the Doctor does nothing. Missy reappeares with no explanation, the Master as well. The 12th Doctor saves Gallifrey also without any context...
Because is no need. Just watch adventures in time and space.
That video made me want to watch Series 1-4 again :-)
Not to forget that they found Yana (The master) because the tardis was trying to shake Jack off itself and took them to the end of the universe, so if the 10th doctor had just waited for jack in the game station it wouldnt have happened
I think this was actually a Collab with the BBC to make people excited for rtd's return
Well, this was a timely video
Perfect timing - he’s back!
Excellent timing my dude
The king is back!!
I consider the Universal Monsters & the Buffyverse good references for early interconnected universes in film & tv, respectively. There were sitcoms & soap operas interweaving much sooner than Buffy, for instance, but Buffy is the earliest example I can find on tv of interlocking narrative connections with long term effects that has become popular, along with the spin-off properties constantly interacting with the original (if you can cite something earlier, or something interesting or obscure, or even just wanna talk about this topic, feel free to leave replies, I'd love to talk more about it and maybe learn something I overlooked)
WHAT PERFECT TIMING FOR THIS VIDEO!
Little did anyone know Russel t Davies was announced to return as show runner less than 24hrs after this video was released
Less than 48 hours you mean. The video was posted on Wednesday.
@@toast99bubbles said 23 hours ago when I commented
@@samuelkent4674 The video was made available for people to view on Wednesday in UK time (which is where Harbo is based) and the announcement was Friday UK time.
@@toast99bubbles Jesus Christ it said it was posted 23 hours ago when I commented why do you care so much smh
@@samuelkent4674 Because it was literally posted a day before you're claiming it was.
And he's coming back!!!
When’re u starting Series 5? I’m excited to see what u have to say about the best premiere of the show
Dr Who wasn't that an old program that the BBC used to make back when people still owned televisions and bought TV licenses ?
Some of the reactions remind me of those who hate current Star Wars suddenly "remembering" how much they loved the prequels, as in when RTD was originally in charge he got his own "He's ruining the show!" reactions...clearly remember at the time some were complaining his version was too "camp". Etc.
That was a noice Essay.
Imo I don't really think it's any lesser than the MCU, I'd say it's a bit better causes there was strong connection.
And MCU fell a bit weak sometimes.
MCU was artificial - it took a bunch of characters who already existed in their own worlds, and were intended for those separate worlds, and threw threw together. Whereas the various characters, locations & story arcs of RTD's Who were designed to be part of a cohesive whole from the start.
he's back
BBC just announced that RTD will be back as showrunner! Coincidence?
Did u know something before u uploaded this? What a coincidence
Well this has certainly aged well!
I guess the BBC must have watched this.
Will you do a ranking of every Davis-Era episode from worst - best episode overall including all the specials?
WHAT A TIME TO POST THIS
I’m glad RTD is returning as showrunner. Whatever it takes to get Doctor Who back on track.
And he's back!
Why? We need nee blood.
I’m happy rtd is meant to be coming back as the show runner
I have an issue with Russell's "Zogs from planet Zog" comment and it's this.
Luke Skywalker is a boy with telekinetic powers who wields a laser sword and was born on a desert planet in a galaxy far, far away and whose father is a cyborg leader of a galactic empire.
Aang from Avatar: The Last Airbender was a boy born with the power to control all three elements, basically a god incarnate, who lives in a world where people control the elements and where he was to fight off against an army of people who can control fire.
Frodo Baggins is a Hobbit who is friends with an Ainur and who lives in a fantasy world completely separated from our world where he has to destroy a ring that belonged to an evil sorceress with an army of Uruk-hai.
None of these people have lives that are relatable to everyday people, nor do they live in a world that's like ours, but you relate to them because of their emotional connections to people, how they interact with the world around them and how that world created those people.
Locations do not make relatable characters, it's having...you know...character.
That statement has been taken a little out of context over the years. In 2005, a lot of people wouldn't have bothered with Doctor Who as they just thought it was a stupid light kids show that just shows weird aliens and doesn't get into character stuff. To get normal people to watch the show, he had to give them more grounded characters, i.e, ones that wouldn't feel out of place in a sensible program.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer The problem is that normal people hate space/fantasy shows. No wonder that those weirdos Tennant/Rose lovers complain about the classic era and moffat era.
and RTD era showed much more relatable emotions than his successors and those you're trying to excuse ever did
And because of this video he is now coming back to DW!
THE RETURN OF THE KING
This video aged like wine in a day. Good job.
One day later: RTD is back!
Two days later you mean.
I'm so so ready for RTD2!!!