Magister Of Steam Capaldi actually probably did the best acting out of all the new who doctors (can't include classic because I haven't seen it all). If not for the shitty writing he would undeniably been the best out of all of them.
Kevin the Fabulous I agree. Though Matt Smith is my personal favourite, Peter Capaldi did an excellent job and is my second. Too bad that after writing my favourite Doctor Who episode (The Snowmen), Stephen Moffat started writing terribly for the rest of his career, pretty much just in time for Capaldi.
Makes me miss the classic series, when we had more diverse companions. Loved the dynamic between 21st century cold and calculating mega-genius Zoe and 18th century passionate and pigheaded highland warrior Jamie.
@@ogcgaming7524 No they weren't. She was born again and again, but her life each time shaped who she was. Victorian Clara was brilliant. Witty and clever. Clara Prime was a do nothing basic who needed to have her intelligence artificially increased by a computer for her to figure out how to even sign into a computer on her own.
I have always thought the same. The doctor always takes companions from whatever the current year the show's being made... Why is that? It would be cool, but what if a companion came from the past... And maybe another companion could be from current time.
@@wildfilms365 It's why i somewhat enjoyed the Dinosaurs on a spaceship episode. Because even if only briefly we got to see The Doctor travel with companions who were from different periods of history. Also weird to think it took until season 10 before we got a non-human companion for an entire season in Nardole. (Not counting his own Granddaughter).
One of my own personal gripes about Claras character is the missed opportunity of having a companion from the past.. all previous companions have always been from the current time period it was filmed in ( i know its probably important for audiences to relate to them ect) but i really liked the governess/ victorian Clara.. could have gotten quite steam punk-y or at the very least we could see her react to our current time period instead of the other way around... and finally .. victorian Clara was just the best ‘incarnation’ of Clara
I believe there was one such companion in Classic Who. Katarina was from Troy but they had to drop her quickly because a person from the past wouldn't be able to understand modern concepts. Maybe nobody else tried again because the inherent difficulties in trying to make audience believe that a person from the past doesn't find all this mind boggling are too many
Krishna Eluri well i mean give them the right stories & development and i think a character from a different time period (like victorian Clara) in new who could’ve been pretty sick ? Idk Its just a shame it didnt happen
@@KrishnaChandraEluri there was a 2nd doctor companion who was Male I'm pretty sure, I thought it was a great idea bc he didnt just have to be shocked in space but on modern earth aswell Edit: yeah it was a guy called Jamie Mccrimmon from 1746
Completely agree. The dynamic between Twelve and Clara was *so* much stronger than between Eleven and Clara. And yup, the big problem with her relationship with Danny is that every single bonding, caring, compassionate moment between them happened off camera. We have no clear idea of what she sees in him and vice versa, because every single time they're on screen together, they're bickering. :/
@@Stamnley It really shows why I like 12 and Clara. 12 was this grumpy old man, and Clara was this over controlling, but human companion. They call each other out on each others bullshit. And in season 9, their relationship makes so much sense.
@@swbarron I think a bunch of whiney fans who take themselves and the television shows they watch way too seriously are an extremely vocal minority who create the illusion most fans hate Clara. Meanwhile, non-incels, people with lives, and those who just love Dr Who without it becoming their identity are absolutely shocked when we see arrogant Tubers declaring Clara was almost good and the comments that follow from folks whose social lives revolve around subreddits and the like.
It genuinely felt jarring when she died, including the setup. If I wasnt so used to the rule of 3 I'd probably have been mad about it. Looming back, I'm even more mad about it because a Victorian era companion with the wit and cognition to adapt to space would be exceedingly interesting! The only issue would be how she would leave the tardis eventually, but considering how the mentality of the Victorian era was it would be believable that she never felt a need to settle down or rest anywhere. She already moved at the Doctor's reckless pace....actually.... What if the way Viccy Clara dies was not due to either of them tripping up.or sacrificing, but due to fatigue from both of them running a million miles a minute? 11 was always excessively reckless and fast paced, the companion bringing him into Capaldi dying due to both of them going too fast for too long would easily whiplash him into the slower and more aged 12. Moffat really dropped the ball, that kind of story would have been amazing in his hands.
Didn’t know it but I guess I am the odd one out. I flippen loved Clara but now that you mentioned it, keeping the Victorian Clara would have been 100 times better.
I think my favorite companion was either Donna or Amy. I like Amy's backstory and the imaginary friend is a cool idea. But I think Donna will aways be my favorite because her and the 10th doctor really were partners in crime not in love but they just had an amazing friendship with great chemistry her introduction made me laugh and her ending made me cry.
Donna was perfect in every way, but I think Amy will always be my favorite (I started watching around when season 5 was released) Its always the red head companions with the powerful personalitys, which sadly makes more subtle characters like Clara and Martha pale in comparison, still love them too though.
The only thing that annoyed me about Clara was her relationship with Danny. I just felt like it was unnecessary, his character as a whole was unnecessary.
@madder66mortem I hated Rory and Amy the silly sod died every week so when he actually died it was ho hum what again! Danny Pink I didn't like the whole love story arc felt tacked on but I did like his interaction with the Doctor calling him an officer and it wounding the Doctor right to his core. the acting between the two in those scenes was bang on. I would like to see a companion like this who doesn't hang on the Doctors every word and at times thinks he's actually a bit of an arsehole ( Donna was Brilliant for this! and when she let loose the Doctor was actually in awe and scared of her! I think he mentioned he'd rather face a hoard of Daleks than Donna when she's upset. I loved that about her.)
your not alone there! although I did enjoy the argument he had with the Doctor calling him an officer that was just about the only thing he did worth watching
@@drankydrank1 I didn't like Rory (I'm dead again this week!) and Amy (I'm crying over Rory again! this week) much preferred the Doctor and Amy without the interference of old big nose
I would have loved to see the dynamic with Victorian Clara. Her foundation was better established than modern Clara and there were so many interesting routes to take with her character and possibly the first time the "base" of the Doctor's travels maybe would have been not in the modern day. All character plot faults aside, Jenna Coleman played her as quite a charming character for individual episodes and line deliveries so I find it hard to dislike her often.
I've heard the loss of Victorian Clara was due to executive meddling from on high, as they thought audiences would be driven away by a Victorian companion.
Jack is from another planet. no one really knows what era he is from. he cam fit in, as a time agent, he can adapt to any era. That's why he was accepted so much.
The problem wasn't with her. It was that she became the focus of the show and the Doctor became the supporting character. They started doing that with Amy Pond, but that happened over time. Clara started out as the main character before she became established in the show. The purpose of the companion is to humanize the Doctor and allow him to give exposition without a soliloquy. They were never supposed to become the focus of the show, but to support the Doctor and give the audience insight into his character.
I've never really seen the problem with the take of "the Doctor didn't seem like the lead anymore". We've literally had over 30 years of exactly that, it would kill us to try something a bit different for merely a couple? It's not like he was completely relegated to the background.
I loved Clara *because* she was a flawed companion. She became almost obsessed with the Doctor and tried to become the Doctor, resulting in her death. It shows that the Doctor can be dangerous to those he's around, however it also shows that he can change a person into someone who is brave and resourceful, if a tad reckless. Plus she has an epic wardrobe
All the companions were flawed, but they were flawed before they met the Doctor and they became better people for having known him. Clara was pretty much a decent person from day one, and became flawed because of her association with the Doctor.
@@rocketguardian2001 you actually named one of the reasons I liked her. I could never quite put my finger on it, but she's sort of the inverse of the other companions. She became a bit too cocky, and it was the reason she died (even though she came back). It was interesting to watch how being in constant contact with a powerful being like the Doctor could have inadvertent ill effects.
I get what you're saying and I would agree only... They never actually acknowledge how flawed she was. How she had become a worse character with the doctor. Sure, they mention she tried to be too much like the doctor and that's what got her killed, but the frame her as a mighty heroine for it, not a cautionary tale. They made her this big important person who got a whole lot of seasons, framed her as this ultimate rolemodel but never said "no, this character is flawed, be warned".
@@jessicaable5095 ... Isn't that a good thing? The show doesn't shove the message down your throat but the message still exists. We can all see that Clara was flawed, we see how she became more flawed by interacting with the doctor, and we see that those flaws led to her demise. Yes, she's a mighty heroine, yes, She's a role model, but She's a role model for what not to do. She's someone that you should strive to never become.
@@WerewolfLord When people say a s11 episode is the worst ever I point to Hell Bent. Or Warriors of the Deep, or Kill the Moon, or Nightmare in Silver, or Idiots Lantern.
Unpopular opinion but I actually loved series 7 Clara. Due to the mystery surrounding her character, her personality was revealed mostly through subtext; incorporating more of "show don't tell". I found this refreshing since most companions on doctor who are unrealistically open about their every character flaw. I was able to guess at every aspect of Clara's personality and found her to have incredible and very consistent chemistry with the doctor.
I had the idea watching this that she should have been revealed as the Doctor during his death arc. She was upstaging him all the time, almost like she was taking his mantle. Then, she falls into his timeline and is scattered. What comes of that? How does that stop his death and get the TARDIS rotting on the fields of Trensalor? That graveyard is literally brushed under the rug! No, her falling into the timeline should have been followed by 11 getting shot and River pulling his body into the current Tardis, them crashing on Transalor in the past and River lacking his body in the vault, letting his Time Lord body decompose into the time vortex we see. Then, in present day as the bad guys celebrate, the vortex vanishes. The remains turn to dust, the TARDIS begins to wheeze. Clara is back from the Timeline, and through the shattering in time and subsequent refocus at the point of break, she returns as a fresh new doctor with all the regenerations back. The bad guys, in trying to kill the Doctor with Time, instead restored the Doctor to full power. A fixed point in time of their making that allowed the Doctor to transcend the only limitation Time Lords had, for awhile longer at least. Then she dumps them in a black hole or something and she takes on capaldi as a companion I dunno.
Actually it happened in the "blood and ice" doctor who comic, published in Doctor Who Magazine and later in the DWM compilation "The Eye of Torment". In this story Clara meets one of her splinters, and she can't get over the fact that all of her splinters have to die in order to save the Doctor. But i won't say more, spoilers.
THANK YOU. In "Cold War", Clara is literally asked by one of the Russians what she enjoys doing in her spare time and she says, "stuff". Lazy, lazy writing which forced Jenna to act harder and stay longer to get good material to work with. People liked Oswin and Victorian Clara instantly, like they did with Bill and young Amy. It's frustrating to see that Moffat can write exceptionally well but make these kinds of mistakes.
Well what else should she say? She clearly was not interested in having a conversation at that moment, when trapped in a Russian nuclear submarine decades in the past, on one of her first adventures. So she tried to end the conversation, and that's how you do that. I thought Clara prime was instantly the best Clara.
Could you imagine if she had said: Surfing the web, texting my friends, playing WoW and other modern "stuff". She is QUITE aware that the timeline could be Frelled up so she kept it low key.
HoshiReed true, true, that does make sense, didn't think about it like that. (I do actually like Clara, and that Cold War is one of her best episodes, just wish she hadn't been burdened by her series 7 arc and we'd got to know her better sooner)
Moffat likes to introduce characters then either do a time skip or say “Wait! That’s not the main one lolz, here’s the real companion.” Which makes character introductions to the Doctor feel forced. When adult Amy first saw the doctor she was only angry for leaving her and obsessed with him being her “raggedy man.” Clara was literally just a giant mystery meaning Clara’s first introduction to the Doctor are nothing but him and her going on an adventure for the lulz because he knows another version of her somewhere. Rose simply met the Doctor, got along with him, proved her bravery and off she went. Martha met the doctor, proved her intelligence and bravery and got along with the doctor and off they went. Donna at first didn’t like the doctor but warmed up to him and she already had a great introduction in the Christmas episode and it was only a year between those episodes that she decided to join him. Point is, while Rose, Martha & Donna joined willingly, because they really enjoyed the doctor’s company and wanted to help people, and I would argue Amy is the same (just wish they didn’t have him meet her as a child first). Clara though, everything is so rushed because we’ve met her two times already that there is no chemistry, we don’t really know why she goes with the doctor and we’ve already met two versions of her that are infinitely more interesting. I can forgive meeting Amy while she was young, as it does pay off and proved some real emotional moments. But Clara? Holy crap, the “mystery girl” plot followed by the “Born to save the Doctor” plot BS is the worst thing I’ve seen in doctor who history. All I can see is Steven Moffat going “Yeah that’s right, MY companion has saved all the doctors. MY companion chose the Doctor’s TARDIS. MY companion is super important & special.” I don’t usually use the word Mary Sue, but holy crap is she a Mary Sue.
I find it amusing that one of the clips used to show how she was "almost good" is one of the clips that so completely illustrates for me, one of the main problems with her. "And don't you dare lump me in with the rest of all the little humans that you think are so tiny and silly and predictable." And earlier in that same scene "Tell me what you knew, Doctor, or else I'll smack you so hard you'll regenerate."
@@crashfan9997 of the new ones Donna is mine too she took absolutely no crap off the Doctor ( or anyone except her horrible mum) was getting to like Bill but she was too short lived
Her personality was all over the place. One episode she could boss the Doctor around, the next one she was screaming for help, etc. Her origin being a plot device and being too 'important' for the Doctor didn't help either to ground her as a true character.
As an actress, I honestly think clara did very well with her role overall. From my perspective, it was the writing that prevented her from gaining traction with fans.
I actually think the eleven-Clara dynamic could have worked, and they had the perfect set-up: in her modern introduction episode, he comes across as a creepy stalker. Simply have her react negatively to this, refuse to join him, but then get dragged along on an adventure out of circumstance (TARDIS malfunction or whatever). After this point, she has to keep tagging along (as the malfunctions keep happening) and she learns gradually who the doctor is and eventually comes to accept him. The end of the series could also point to the "impossible girl" obsession as just that: an obsession that left a negative impression on someone who was otherwise perfectly ordinary (and, again, only "impossible" out of the circumstances of her actions and eventual decision to save the doctor). Oh, and if you want a reason for the malfunctions, the TARDIS is simply reacting negatively to a person who has already been shattered throughout the doctor's timeline, neatly wrapping the plot and the character arcs of the series together.
Thiiissss. Seriously, they had the perfect setup. Clara (in her "in-character" episodes) is shrewd, disobedient, and obstinate. It would have been so much fun to have her tag along after their meet cute because how could you refuse time and space when it is so freely offered? And have her character battle with loving the traveling but not loving 11's big personality so much. So much potential for comedic moments, especially moments when Clara would inevitably need to rely on the Doctor. And if the writers played their cards right, that moment of interceding to save the Doctor's timeline would be more suspenseful. Would Clara risk everything to save someone she has previously decided she didn't like? I could see the Doctor saying, "just leave me to die, save yourself." Clara trying to convince herself to listen, then maybe make a joke about that being the first time she'd have obeyed him and go in to save him. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Clara just needed a second draft.
+loags22 I respect your right to be wrong. It's true that a lot of people don't like her but it isn't the majority. The majority of fans who watch the show don't share their opinion online, their viewpoint is unknown, therefore they are the majority. Like or dislike Clara are both minorities. :-)
I never felt as though Clara thought of 12 as “grumpy old man” & “space dad” I always felt as though their relationship was a lot more intimate than Clara and 11 had been. Clara treats the doctor as “the other man” when she is seeing Danny, not as, “oh, this is my space dad” and not to mention, a love triangle trope is used with 2 romantic interests, not with 1 who is a father figure and 1 who is the love interest. In Mummy on the Orient Express, Clara is on the phone with Danny and says, “I love you” while directly looking at the Doctor (it was later said by Jenna Coleman this was meant for the Doctor). In the Series 9 opener, the Doctor makes comments how he only sees Clara, and didn’t even know there was a crowd there; he also starts play “Pretty Woman” when he sees her. These are things that I would never say to my male best friend, and these are things that if said to me by my male best friend, would make me question if he had feelings for me. I think it is really easy to get caught up in “they’re best friends, they love each other as best friends!” And “space dad” because Capaldi is so much older than Coleman that it would be awkward to watch them physically romantic and outright flirting with each other like 11 and Clara did. I know not many agree with this, but it is always how I have read 12 and Clara: a lot more intimate and in love than they ever were as 11 and Clara.
I think their relationship is impossible to categorise as romantic or platonic, it's makes it so beautiful. And only 12 could have a relationship like that, because he's not as flirty as the other doctors, and he deeply needs an emotional pilar
Absolutely. I think the relationship can be read in various ways. It was intended like that by the writers. In your head it can be as platonic or romantic as you want it to be. But to me the absolute worst interpretation is father/daughter.😄 I seriously wonder if people were watching the same show when they say that. I mean, to each their own, if that's how you want to read it go and do that. But it's just weird imo. I feel like people say that based on the age of the actors and literally nothing more.
i would agree with the intimacy, though i do firmly believe that the relationship between clara and 12 is more of an emotional support type of relationship. because 12 is supposed to be the real doctor, the “veil lifted”, he’s shown to be someone very cross and feels very lonely. in comes clara, someone he finds himself latched onto because of the support that someone like her can offer to the personality like his. like missy said “a control freak and a man who does not like to be controlled”. these opposite personalities cant help but be attracted to each other in the sense that their egos want to prove to the other that theyre right. theyre emotionally attached to each other because of this
12: I'm not your boyfriend. Clara: 12: I never said that was your mistake. (Sorry forgot what Clara said). 12 Obviously loves her intensely. I mean he murdered a man (Timelord general) to bring her back from her last second of life. I like Clara as a companion, just think Moffat was on fumes after the Ponds left with his best work being the 50th and 11ths send off. To me 12 is a slow burner who doesn't get good until well into his run. Agree with everyone else Victorian Clara was the one people liked the most and they don't see the basis for the relationship as Victorian Clara had the grounding to it.
Basically Moffat wanted there to be a romance between Clara a 12 but Capaldi said “not on your life.” I agree with Capaldi, especially as Clara was a different person every week. How to do base a good romance on that?
That’s why I really liked Donna as well. After three years of Rose and Martha drooling over/just shy of worshiping the Doctor, it was awesome to have someone who called out his flaws and refused to put herself beneath him, and he liked it. Then they kinda just reverted with Amy, and Clara would have been a great opportunity to do that again, but then there was such a weird will-they-won’t-they with Matt Smith that, even once they got the vibe right with Capaldi (because he’s older and less attractive I guess?), it just wasn’t the same.
Clara lost impact as a companion when 3 things happened... Stories became clara focuses and felt like the doctor became the companion. (look at all the times that the doctor suddenly chased her around). They wrote Clara to make her somehow almost too important... specially in the fact that they made her to the point that she has manipulated the entire doctor's life... and then the point she stopped being the companion and suddenly believed that she could do anything the doctor could do which ultimately cost her life... oh wait...she didnt even probably die because she was "saved" by Aria Stark and now has her own Tardis to which she can run away from her own death.... With that said...at first, Clara was a fresh breath of air. I had become tired of Amy/Rory by the end of their run (even though I really loved them most of that run) and Clara was different. However she became tiring by the time of Matt's finish.
Honestly I liked Clara believing that she could do everything the Doctor could and I liked even more that it costed her life.. Shows how the Doctor and running with him can influence others but reminds you that they still aren't him..The problem is that it getted tired because since she Start everything was pointing how important she was , even when they were getting to the Doctors problems it still would end with Clara have a connection with everything . Clara's arcs were amazing but they were a lot , the Tranzelor could not exist since it wasn't the actual place the Doctor was meant to die ,it only happened to show us how important and necessary Clara was. Messing around with two doctors maked the situation worsht , tho she didn't run that much with 11 it felt too much because of the story arcs.. Moffat is a genius but sometimes his writing and his ideas are many and too good to be transferred in the show without problems..
Clara was perfectly fine until the end. Imo when her bf showed up than her Stort arc got really dry and that's kind of how I knew she was gonna die. Honestly I didn't mind Hell Bent, except the idea of Clara being alive going on her own adventures is really fuckin dumb
Lol this is what I loved about it. That the doctor became the companion. Thats what made it magic for me hahahahaha. The doctor is the biggest narcissist and needed someone to point that out and also steal the light away. It made it more interesting to watch for me anyway.
7:42 i thought that it was made pretty clear from the first two claras that all of her copies were not made to exist alone, their sole purpose is to save the doctor. she even says this in her monologue. the copies would all eventually die presumably at the same age and point as clara is when she enters the time stream. their purpose has been fulfilled and they are no longer useful. there’s only one true clara
she took the show over near the end. she has her own damn tardis now which is dangerous she will mess up time and space now and or have the tardis captured by hostile elements aka daleks. her coming back to life ruined what ever repsect i had for the writers or character. she really made me rage in some episodes. she ruined doctor who backstory like his childhood, the fate of galifrey. the actress was great though.
HistoryFan476ad Yeh, I think every actor on doctor who is normally great it's just the poor writing which is its downfall; Peter Capaldi's series weren't very good in my opinion but if you compare that to Torchwood S3 I think he was brilliant in that.
Yes, but just because that is the point, that doesn't automatically mean it made her likeable or a good character. Besides, I personally think Moffat massively undermined his point about the dangers of wanting to be like the Doctor when he made Clara practically immortal just moments after she died and gave her her own Tardis. For all intents and purposes she is the Doctor now and she got rewarded for her arrogance.
I hated the fact that Moffat couldn't seem to stick to his guns and kept Clara dead when she was killed off. The way they had built up to this episode, with her becoming more and more arrogant and then finally making a mistake that ultimately killed her, was a strong message. It was a "try and not to be someone you aren't as it won't end well". But no, Moffat doesn't and a few episodes later, she's back. Rewarded with her own time machine and companion. Uh...no. Imagine if Russel T. Davies did this with say...Donna's character. He has the Doctor wipe her memory clean of him and anything to do with him because the Time Lord essence inside her mind was slowly killing her. That was one of the few moments in new Who that almost made me tear up. If Davies had then gone and somehow brought Donna back along with her memories of the Doctor without the threat of death looming over her, that would've felt like a betrayal of the viewers emotions. A "so you put us through all of that for no reason?" thing. Clara's return after the episode that supposedly "killed her off" just felt like a deus ex machina moment, and one of the reasons why I really didn't like Moffat the longer he stayed on Doctor Who. He never seemed to like killing off his own creations. When you kill a character off in a story, it's a lot more powerful if the character stays dead. Don't bring a supposed dead character back, cause all you'll do is annoy your readers/viewers.
TheMidnightwolf15 I disagree, that wasn’t the issue with her exit. Bringing her back had a good explanation, story, and reason. Where Moffat made a big mistake was bringing her back from the end of S8. I think people forget how perfect her S8 exit was, and just how awful her returns were.
Am I the only one that actually likes how Clara was saved in "Hell Bent"? It doesn't undo her death being her fault. It could be interpreted as a sort of Christian grace metaphor. Clara dooms herself through her own mistakes, but the Doctor suffers on her behalf and saves her anyway because of how much she means to him. Plus, there's something incredibly poignant to me about her "the long way 'round" sendoff. We all have to face our fate some day, but Clara gets the gift of being able to live a full life and face her fate head-on when she's ready.
@@hardwickebenthow If she gets to live as long as she likes and postpone it as long as she likes, there's really nothing to it. She learns nothing and nothing is achieved. What's the point of learning to accept something that you have complete control over? What is there to accept?
Clara is my personal favourite companion. I just love her character arc of becoming more like the Doctor, and her travels in the TARDIS becoming an unhealthy addiction. It was such a unique take on the Doctor/companion relationship that had never been done before. Jenna Coleman is easily my favourite female actor to come from the show too.
Matt Smith was planned to stay another season with Clara and Clara’s last season was gonna be with capaldi first season #Woufle I love Matt Smith and Clara’s run
My dislike for Clara has little to do with Jenna Coleman or what she does in the course many episodes, but far more to do with Stephen Moffat's story arc for her. She was a Mary Sue of the highest order. First he retcons her into the Doctor's entire continuity. Even going as far telling him which TARDIS to steal. This can almost be forgiven if it weren't for the fact he wasn't done yet. Series 8 becomes infuriating. She knows full well what the Doctor is about but when 12 arrives she goes "icky! He's old!" Then she leaves and unleaves SIX times! (more if you count Face the Raven/Hell Bent) But Moffat's not done yet, because his endgame approaches: he was trying to make Clara a Time Lord. It starts in Flatline, continues with the nonsensical "Hybrid" storyline and ends with: her very own TARDIS. I'm sure this was his attempt to wrangle a spinoff or his angle at a female Doctor before Chris Chibnall took over and made the change. Oh, and despite only dating Danny a few months and treating him like crap, she is so special that his love for her and his alone is the only thing that can overcome Cyberman conversion.
she is also the reason why the war doctor decided to go back and face destiny. before they well ruined the time war. i'm surprised in the end she did not cure cancer. she was also used as a mouthpiece by the show runners to sprout there views on matters.
I think you should look up what a Mary Sue is. Being capable and important is not a Mary Sue. She has more pronounced negative character traits than any other companion. She makes serious mistakes she suffers from herself. She is still the only main character that actually dies on screen, and that is because of a mistake she made. Also, she is definitely not loved by everyone, unlike every companion ever. Quite the opposite of that. She always has a hard time getting her way, and no one in the entire show is more distrusted by complete strangers than she is. Vastra, the TARDIS, virtually everyone in Flatline etc.Or do you just label every smart female character a "Mary Sue"?
Ok you can split hairs over the definition but my argument stands. But way to make some half-assed sexism accusation, even though I consider Liz Shaw one of the best and criminally underused companions. Dismissed for being too smart. Nor did I have any problem at all with Bill, who also deserved a longer run.
the show has really lost the flare it once had. it just feels so mundane now to watch. never mind the digs at men written in the script or said by characters. they even have swearing in the family show.
Kevyn King | The joke is that everyone who's watched Classic Who universally hates Adric. When people dislike a companion and want them to get "the Earthshock treatment," they're referring to Adric. No one genuinely thinks he's the best even if he didn't grind their nerves to dust.
In her first appeareance (the Dalek asylum), I fell in love with her character. Every subsequent appearance made me fall out of love with her a little, until I just didn't care about her that much.
Season 8 or the Victorian Clara would had so much more potential. I really wanted to like Clara, and did as much I could, but the show runners really made it impossible.
I think that the idea of Clara splintering herself around the universe would have been really cool if it happened every episode of 7B. How amazing would it have been if they had been able to pull off her introduction as an essentially new character every episode and soon the Doctor comes to expect her to be there and he slowly learns more and more about her and yet has to watch her die every episode, until finally the finale occurs and the Clara that splinters herself and goes on to do 8 and 9 is so moved to do so because the Doctor has essentially gotten to know her so well that she feels a connection with him deep down as a person. Maybe it sounds a little corny to read it like that but I think it could have been truly amazing if it was pulled off. Certainly would have been ambitious but hey I think it could have worked if Moffat had been ballsy enough to do it for real.
Am I one of the few fans that absolutely adores Clara. Yes she had personal written issues during some of the early episodes and especially during season 8 but she’s strong, independent, funny, sassy. She keeps twelve sane and keeps eleven steady. Her chemistry is quite sweet with eleven and with twelve I think the chemistry is brilliant and they bounce of each other well. I started to go from feeling fairly indifferent about her in season 7 to loving her in 8 and being obsessed in 9. I’m one of the few that does see the romantic chemistry with twelve. I like her exciting personality and I really like the way she died because she still has the sad ending where she faces her consequences but she still gets the time to say goodbye and enjoy what she does best and that travelling in space. What I don’t like about it is that it’s quite open ended and I would like the story of her to have a real ending meaning that we know what happens and not left to wander and I also don’t like the fact she travels with Me because Me seems quite pointless and kept doing things to disrupt the season whenever the writers couldn’t think of a real original episode
There are quite a lot of fans that really like Clara, despite how desperately some people are to negate their existence. She is one of the most hated, but also one of the most loved companion.
I think a lot of the "hatred" directed at her is misplaced, as the main problem is Moffat's writing - he's pretty crap at developing character, particularly in women. Clara was a mixed bag overall, but I agree she was a better companion to 12 than 11 - it was just too little, too late.
As Clara is a character in Moffat's scripts and only exists within this fictional universe, saying that the problem is that Moffat's writing is bad does make the character bad. If we were talking about a fictional representation of a real-life historical character, we could say "this person was bad in the show only because of the script, in history she was actually an ok dude" then the arguement would hold true, however, Clara is fiction, therefore bad script = bad character (however not the worst, in my opinion that goes to either Rose or Donna).
You're right. But she did have amazing scripts, which meant that she is a great character. To me, she is the best written companion character in all of Doctor Who.
Thank you for point out that 'tight skirt' line Matt Smith was forced to push out. I got in a flame war over that with some apologist back in the day. Where the hell did the idea come out that Matt-Doc wanted to give Clara the good old 'Time Rotor'. To me it was always shamefully lazy writing. The entire 'Impossible Girl' plot also went nowhere. Moffat seemed to completely forget whatever he had in mind for that one, although in his defence, he seemed to completely forget whatever he had in mind for most of his grand plot arcs. We went from 'Who is the Impossible Girl?' to the pay off of 'I AM the Impossible Girl.' Ummm... okay... and...? And now you are just a school teacher?? Hang on! You were the sodding Impossible Girl and now you are 'Miss! Miss!' to a bunch of child actors? To me the show runners should had the balls to tell her that her character arc was now over and it was time to get into the big bucks in Marvel movies. Instead they decided to completely re-invent her and make the entire show about her to the extent that at the (final) end of her character arc she literally becomes a sodding time lord with her own sodding character. (actually given the quality of her acting, maybe they SHOULD have made her the next Doctor. I can never imagine Jemma making buck teeth faces every episode)
I will tell you what was funny. At the end of Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS. Matt Smith was doing his lines, then he suddenly spanks Clara with a Towel. She only smirked and kept in character. Matt smith must have really liked Jenna....in real life.
I agree, she would have made a great Doctor. Heck, with the whole impossible girl nonsense, that would have been a great loophole past the 12th regeneration! The battle where the doctor finally dies, the Tardis ruined and rotting on the fields of that fateful day. The Doctor himself goes there with Clara, ready to meet his end. Then they are forced to the center. River opens the vault, Clara falls into the Doctor's grave, and the Doctor is killed. River drags him into the vault in the living Tardis, where it crashes in the past where it would lay. Then, a familiar sound rings through the derelict Tardis. The enemies of the Doctor look around, confused and scared. They just killed him, they closed the loop. Why is the Tardis waking up?! They rush to the console room only to be captured by the Tardis containment field, and Clara flipping switches as the Tardis begins to heal. "The girl?" They ask, then the main woman's eyes widen in fear. "The impossible girl...." and Clara smirks and says "The Doctor, back from my own timeline and my old body. Thought it would be that easy, did you?" Being scattered through time, through the Doctor's timeline, and through the events of the Day of the doctor and Gallifrey's return, let the doctor reincarnate through Clara. So now Clara takes up her mantle that she had taken as the old Doctor fades, a new timeline to be lived through. And 12 new regenerations ready to burn. Would have been way more satisfying than that dumb space magic "The time lords gave me more" bullcrap that completely upends the one limitation and time limit Time lords had.
@@ronaldfrechette2045 The Doctor after Clara, or even go buck wild and have Capaldi as the 14th Doctor and have him travel with Clara (his past self now) and have a REALLY wild paradox that needs to be cleaned up. Clara in my scenario would still be Clara, just with the Doctor's entire memory. The next Doctor making sure she doesn't screw up would make sense, and the TARDIS would let it happen cause it would force a stable time loop. Course that would mean Calpaldi needs to watch himself die and become himself in the inevitable finale, but that just gives some fun for the writer.
Clara is the only character to have a similarity to Sarah Jane smith, but a more modern version. I loved Jenna's work as Clara, she is one companion I do miss, along with lalla ward as romana, the two best companions I reckon.
I'm personally very confused. Amy us my favorite, but Clara was always my 2nd choice. Depending on the day, even 1st choice. I LOVED her whole Impossible Girl story arc. Up until Jodie, Bill was at worst the mehiest companion. But buy oh boy, did they mess 13.
for 13 they shoulda introduced them more like amy/rory. with 1 person as the companion, build an on-earth relationship with the other (this with Yas and then Ryan) and they both join the Tardis, then Graham shoulda been a more Wilfred or Brian Williams character but actually stayed for a while. introducing all 3 was a big no no imo
@@peepeetrain8755 exactly. None of them ever had meaningful friendships. The 13th doctor knows them 5 mins and says “you’re all my fam now” and they just go along with it? It makes no sense
As much as Clara is a rubbish companion and her story sucked, we must remember to separate the actress from the character, Jenna Coleman did her best with the material she was given, it's just a shame the material was utter rubbish and i do really get the feeling she could of been the best companion of new who, there are these breif moments where we see this amazing possiblity shine threw like in kill the moon and Victorian Clara. So in conclusion well done Jenna Coleman for taking rubbish and at least gold plating it.
In what way was it "rubbish material"? Her character was explored in more detail than that of any other companion, she had a fluid character growth and development, more of that than any other companion, and was involved in many great stories, where she wasn't just along for the ride, but played a role in the story as well. And her roles in the stories were not some deus-ex-machina solution because the writer ran out of ideas, but a sensible interaction between her and the other characters, fully in line with Clara's character. For me she clearly had the best writing of any companion.
Same can be said of every actor who came after Coleman. Very talented actors who are perfect for the role - severely hamstringed by gradeschool quality writing.
I, on the other hand, wanted to scream when she came back after I thought she was _finally_ dead. And to this day Im haunted by the knowledge that shes out there in a diner Tardis and could come back at any time and continue on not being f*cking dead .............i really dont like Clara
@@bloodyneptune If it's not weird to ask, why did you hate Clara? I understand people have opinions and I'm not trying to bash on them. If you don't want to make a list, why did you hate Clara the most [other than the fact shes practically immortal because she keeps getting reborn again]
She's one of the most hated, but understandably one of the most loved. Disconnecting her from simply bad episodes, she's mainly a victim of Moffat. I personally am a big fan, but I think she SHINES during the Capaldi days. God damn. So fun
I agree. With the 50th looming (and I dunno, was he writing Sherlock at the time?), Moffat threw a bunch of spaghetti at the wall re: Clara's characterization. LOVE Clara and Twelve, and series 9 is so much fun.
Honestly I hated Danny and Clara. I can't help but feel that they focused too much on Clara and Danny and less on 12 and Clara which is what I really wanted. imo Danny was an unwelcome distraction. With the introduction of 12 I also felt they missed an opportunity to focus on him in favor of Danny/Clara. Great players all of them but they were given a crap story and script.
I know this is late, but I just wanted to add my opinion. I didn’t mind the relationship, I found Danny a little annoying but that’s all. Also, am I the only one that thought Clara and Rigsy has so much more chemistry in the 2d episode?
Ugh, the Danny-Clara romance was so awkwardly shoehorned in and sat uncomfortably with me. There was little to no chemistry between them so when Danny made his sacrifice in the name of lurve it seemed empty as I wasn't convinced they were in love in the first place.
It all happened too quick but still somehow took a hole season. We once got them knowing each other then we instantly have them arguing about the fact that Clara travels with the Doctor and lies to Danny and then boom Danny dies and the end of the world is coming.. They had a story but they didn't know how to handle it. They wanted to show that Clara was happy by finding someone in the normal part of her life , classic thing the place they show us that the Doctor has no right , but Danny should be important or what's the point of having him. They kill him so Clara can be sad and cross the lines by throwing the Tardis keys in the volcano,he is 'important ' , and the try to find him so Missys plan can exist. I still can't understand if all this happened just to show us how important Danny is or to show us Missys plans or both. It would be more interesting if Danny was just a 'fan' a fellow teacher that was likening Clara warning her about the dangers of Doctors life because he was worrying and somehow he end involved and he saved them. It could be more dramatic like this but still the story wouldn't be that forced
I’m happy to say it: Clara basically broke the boundaries of what we thought a companion could be, she was fundamentally different than the rest from the start, not the follower but she basically became the main character of the show and I LOVED IT. While some fans may see it as annoying because of their love for the doctor, I became a huge fan of this direction. To have such depth for her character was insane to me and it felt incredible, I could easily go one or two seasons with her being the main focus, as it felt well planned out from the start and her being teased so early on made it even better.
YES!! I SO AGREE WITH THIS!! One reason I love Clara so much is because she reminds me of season 1 Rose. Like how in the beginning of the show, it was kind of Rose’s story plus the Doctor, Clara is the same. There are even parallels between 9 and 12. It’s so refreshing after 6 seasons of the Doctor being the main character with the companions as tagalongs. And I get it, people like having the Doctor as the main character because, well it IS his show, but seeing him through a human perspective is what I love about seasons 1, 8-9. It’s like we are the companions being pushed into this strange new world, trying to balance everyday life with epic adventures. Something about it is way easier to get attached to because its more relatable
@Moana Subs Clara is not the doctor, but she wants to be one, that's the whole point of her story. Everybody know she's not the doctor, smartass. Besides, martha isn't that great she's like a shallow cardboard character.
Agreed. I think the problem is the age/ experience difference between a 2000 yr old Time Lord and an 18 yr old earthling. I've dated much older and younger a few times and after a while you get something like "what's a rotary phone?" Companion: "So Andrea dared me so I actually did the Cinnamon challenge. So gross. So how was your day?" Doctor: "I saved a planet from crashing into its Sun, then I played a game of chess with King Arthur, finally I beat the Daleks ... again oh one of them exploded and got over me, so gross. Then I had breakfast..."
I don't so much have an issue with the companion falling for the Doctor, because I think it is realistic that a number of them would. That being said, it also needs to be handled well. Martha's feelings for him and his moping over Rose was annoying, but when Martha walked away from the TARDIS, that redeemed her for me. Donna was such a breath of fresh air after all that. Amy was even OK for me as she wasn't "in love" with the Doctor but rather simply obsessed with him, for lack of a better term.
I don't mind the Doctor having love interests- Rose's felt honest, natural and took two seasons to fully develop. The other romances following felt like cheap responses to that. It is kind of ironic that Moffat low key "slut shames" 10 (Case in Point 50th anniversary) when his own 11 not only kisses all of his companions, gets married, but also has a near romantic-fling with his TARDIS. xD I was glad that they finally got River Song right at the end, when she proclaims her love affair with the Doctor is one-sided and the Doctor realized he never let her know how he felt. I don't know if it was Capaldi or Moffat but that was the only episode I actually believed there was actually something there.
Donna Noble is, in my opinion, the best one of them all. I hated her at the beginning, but the character development was awesome, as well as the Doctor having a mature grown woman that wasn't fallng in love with him. Sad that she lasted only a season
Umm so it's all about David....lol but matt did a great job too .he a close 2ed .Amy had a good exit and dona was really spicy lol .I do like them all. The impossible girl was great too just i think it should have ended with that Clara was not fun enough to get 3 sorry
@@baas8888 yeah I love donna .its kinda weird to think cuz the doctor like his partners young ,submissive and hot .no offense to donna but she a grown ass woman lol doctor couldn't even handle her . I also loved her exit ,not as sad as Amy
I really like Clara actually she's one of my favorite companions.... when she's with 12. Yeah she's not the best when she's with 11 but I really love the relationship she had with 12.
The measure of the performer can be attuned, how effectively she took over the show even as both Doctor’s Eleven and Twelve were brilliant in their own right; that is talent. In Flatline, she proved how a woman could portray the Doctor as effectively as a man. Something we would never have known since then if we had missed that particular episode.
The biggest problem with new who is how all the main companion is written, each one is given a purpose that affects a 2000 yr old alien in a way that no other companion has done up to their appearance. Rose was the one the Doctor falls in love with. Let's go back to the 4th Doctor and Sarah Jane and their first story Robot, Sarah initially was reluctant to continue her travels and did not have a school girl infatuation with 4. Only after many adventures (and ditching the third wheel Harry) did a romantic chemistry form that their characters implied and us fans imagined. Compare that with Rose and the episode Rose where our companion drops her boyfriend to take up with a war damaged space man. Chemistry never had time to develop it had to be these 2 were in love so much that one day this Time Lord will get depressed the day he loses his "great" love. Donna was the companion that would save all of time and space and have to sacrifice her memories of the Doctor. Amy was the one the Doctor would mourn. Screw Katarina, Sara Kingdom, Adric and all those who perished helping the Doctor saving Planets. Amy's death of old age after living a happy life most of it with her husband by her side is so horrible that it puts 11 in such a funk only the impossible girl can save him. Clara is the companion that the Doctor will break all laws of his people and take up arms and even "kill" a fellow Time Lord to keep alive. Take that Adric heck even the old ball and chain River does not rate these actions. Bill is the one the Doctor can't keep safe. After such a backlash of not keeping Clara dead the next one needed to die but this too got screwed up. Bill was so good they couldn't kill her or keep her a Cyberman so in swoops Heather and saves the day. What happened to companions being someone lucky enough to stumble into the TARDIS not that they also need to be the most something in the Doctor's life.
One of the interesting things about Moffat is that from an in universe prospective all his companions are dead Amy and Rory died of old age in New York as evidenced by there graves. Hell bent is quite clear that there’s no way to stop Clara’s death and she just has however long it takes her to get back to gallifrey while bill and nardole being part of testimony means they are dead given the rules established in the episode (the novel expands on there fates between the Doctor falls and twice upon a time)
I'm so embarrassed that I overlooked Martha but I suppose she should be used to it. Martha is the companion who loves the Doctor but he doesn't return the sentiment. In fact as 10 mopes for Rose Martha stays in the friend zone all the while going above and beyond taking care of a Time Lord who can't cope. She has to take a degrading maid job and try to keep things together while the Doctor forgets who he is lives a good teachers life and flirts with still someone else. She gets stuck with him sans TARDIS in 1969 and again has to get a job to support them while 10 is out blowing up chickens. Finally while the old Doc is sitting in a birdcage Martha takes a short walk... AROUND THE WORLD. No wonder she couldn't wait to split.
I actually quite liked Clara. The fact that she kept turning up everywhere gave a sense of confusion or mystery. She also had a strong personality. I was so sad when it turned out she couldn’t be saved because she tried to save someone.
the problem with her character was she was to smug and arrogant. she had no respect for the doctor. she took over the show and really was just like Amy before her with the whole personalty. but even worse this time. plus how they rewrite who history with her always saving the doctor was bad. which means the doctor only survived not though his own skill but due to her interference. the inside the dalek episode where she slapped the doctor for thinking that a dalek was bad by default and only damaged daleks could be good. don't get me started how she convinced him to save galifrey or become the doctor as a child and not use weapons. just remembered in her final episode she asked the doctor to just let her die and not destroy the universe over her. the truth is though the doctor would never sacrifice the whole universe and all the innocents in it over one human girl not matter if she is his best friend. especially when they themselves ask him to let them just die. the writing for the doctor character has been all over the place for the last few years. he even shot a fellow time lord for no real reason.
HistoryFan476ad I never feel that Amy Pond take the series, at contrary she barely had impact in the seriew until Series 7. Not even see her cry for the lost of his baby.
I vehemently hated how her copies saved the Doctor throughout his life. I feel like it undermines the Doctor's efforts, not to mention that no companion should have this much influence over the Doctor's past. ~ TDG
Her copies didn't 'save' him, they undid what the GI did, returning everything to the way it was before the GI got involved, i.e. the Doctor saves himself. Who says no companion should have that much influence? Where is this written/stated in any official capacity? The show has always been about the Doctor AND the companion(s), they are just as important as each other.
Rose got glowy eyes, mucked about with time, and, with a wave of her hand, destroyed the Daleks. Donna was told she was the most important person in the universe, got a Time Lord brain, tapped some keys... and destroyed the Daleks. Clara got inserted into the Doctor's timeline, but I really don't think her importance is any more forward than Rose's, and people still love her. Clara was inconsistently written, and not really given proper agency until The Day of the Doctor onwards, and also was written to be a bit unlikable at times in series 8. But rewatching the show, and knowing the bond Capaldi's Doctor demonstrably develops with her, I really grew to like her.
I took the whole copies-saving-the-Doctor thing as a fluffy and fun goof to celebrate the 50th. Stuff like this can be washed out of canon with the next space/time reset. Lather/rinse/repeat until years later when someone finds a way to make that shit awesome
I thought she was just chasing the Great Intelligence through time, stopping him from unfairly thwarting the Doctor whilst he was solving other problems. And not, for example, swooping in to stop the Toymaker or the Cybermen from "getting the Doctor."
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I love Snowmen. I was so mad when she died, and then I really felt that their chemistry wasn't as good come the regular season episodes. I wished they had stayed in the victorian era for a while and that she had stayed that version of Clara.
"It was equal parts fantastic, equal parts woeful". That sums up the moffat era. SO much shit during his rein. So much. But Moffat at his best is Dr Who at its best, simple as.
I know I may be crucified for this, but Clara is one of my favorite companions and Rose was the worst. She just felt like the stereotypical bland love interest.
That's kinda what was so tragic about it though. Companions don't always walk away better off than they were. That's why I was sad about her leaving. Clara though? COULD NOT HAVE CARED LESS. She had a good long stint with the doctor, it felt overdue.
That was the point of Donna's departure, she was a tragedy. She grew and grew and grew so far beyond what any companion before her did, and in order to save the universe and her family she had to let that all go. The most brutal sacrifice one can make, not the giving of one's life but who they became. It also capped off Tennant's theme of painful victory. Every time he won there was disastrous sacrifices that was made, often times without his consent. The kid from the reintroduction of the Sontarans, the woman from the Water's of Mars, Davros, The Master, and so many others gave themselves either in reckless bravery or spite, in defiance of the control that 10 tried so hard to enforce. He wanted to save everyone, but he couldnt. They knew that, he couldn't accept that, and never let go. So he tried even harder the next time, again and again. Then, his final day. He couldnt let Donna die because of him, not when he could do something. He couldn't take that kind of pain, even if the result he left her as was more painful to her family. So he saved her by taking away her growth, the thing she most treasured. Then he gave himself for her father, because he could do something. And it cost him his life. 10 was an era of mountain highs shattered by somber losses, hard choices, and his control slipping away at every turn. In his last moments he forced control in a way that none could refuse, and in the moment he tried to be the god he said he was his own hubris destroyed him. Donna's exit was masterful, and a perfect finale to Tennant's run. Clara gives me a headache.
That was the point. It's like how Danganronpa kills off their developed characters. It's more realistic that way. Good people who don't deserve to suffer end up suffering all the time and we hadn't seen that type of thing yet (which was sorta because that was how 10's arc was supposed to wrap up. it was planned from the beginning). Martha kinda walked out without and got to keep "all the emotional growth of the (her) character" Rose got pretty much what she wanted (to be with 10), and Donna's character development being coupled with her memory loss is beautifully tragic irony. Donna finally became everything she thought she wasn't on her final moments and then it's all taken away from her? someone had to lose something, because that's what doctor who is all about. 10's curse was watching horrible things happen to good people that didn't deserve it. remember what happened to his daughter? the mission on mars? Beautifully tragic.
Vincent Perretta tbh I agree w you. I understand tragic endings can be good, but they need to be satisfying at least for me to consider them well-handled, and Donna just felt like they sorta shoved her out. Plus, I didn't really like Donna as a companion anyway, but that's a very unpopular opinion lmao
My fundamental problem with Clara, even though I really did like her with 12, was that she was way too important. Like the Doctor goes all out for her all the time just cause she's clara. She's cool enough to be half of the hybrid?? She influenced the zygon Bonnie somehow?? She's always said to be more important than she actually is in the story
You know what? I'm going to go back and watch seasons 8 and 9 again. I actually originally stopped watching Doctor Who in early Season 8, in part (but not completely) because of Clara. I found her to be... ridiculously smug and arrogant in a way that didn't feel at all justified (Side note - she was similarly arrogant in her Victorian era incarnation, but it was backed up with her actions in a way that I actually found it endearing. Modern Clara just didn't work). I really didn't like the Impossible Girl arc, and her attraction to the Doctor felt incredibly artificial. Going into season 8, I guess I just completely failed to see the season and the Doctor-Clara relationship without the baggage of what I had already witnessed. Now that it's been some time... I'll give it another go. (One more thing - I tuned in again for "Face the Raven" to see Clara off in a... an embarrassingly juvenile and vindictive sense of "good riddance". And was actually really pleasantly surprised to see the character get such a good send off. I actually found myself liking Clara that episode, and being sad for her death... and for the love of all that is good in Sci-Fi geekdom we will pretend that's where her arc officially finished).
I never knew how to put into words why I didn't but also did like her. Thank you so much for this, its my new go to explanation. I love Clara in 12 era but hated her beforehand, you've even explained it to me why I didn't like her.
I think a big problem with Clara is that they didn't develop the impossible girl story very well. Many other companions have a sort of sci-fi arc to them, like Doctor-Donna, the crack in Amy's wall, Rose and Bad Wolf, etc. Clara has this multiple instance thing, Victorian Clara and Dalek Clara, are forgotten after a couple episodes. It seems like that part of the series was the show being to lazy to hire actors, not an overarching story many other companions have.
7:34 At this point, I started to realise that the Impossible Girl Arc was exactly like the Timeless Children Arc; she doesn't remember any of her copies, it doesn't make sense at all, etc.
I stopped watching DW after The name of the doctor because it upset me. She jumped into the doctors time stream and "oh I saved your life every time" I was so bad
@@mimiHTcat i don't understand dropping a show because of one bad season. a show that lasts as long as doctor who has is bound to have a bad season sooner or later. you just gotta stick with it. if i hadn't i wouldn't have seen anything of my favourite doctor. capaldi.
She was really a let down After building up so much with river song when amy and Rory were finally gone I hoped to see an entire season of the doctor and river Instead we got Clara....... Wrong time wrong place, still found her cute
I can pinpoint what I hated about her and when I started hating her. In Victorian England, after she had climbed a magic staircase into a cloud with a box on it, didnt flinch seeing a Lizard person, theres evil snowmen surrounding the house and the ice zombie of the former house keeper is chasing her up the stairs and yet " Oh, I know what your plan is. I knew straight away. If we'd been escaping, we'd be climbing down the building. If we'd been hiding, we'd be on the other side of the roof. But no, we're standing right here -uses umbrella to pull down the cloud staircase - After you, I'm wearing a dress. Eyes front, soldier! And I understand you're the previous governess. I regret to inform you the position is taken. Goodnight." .... W H A T? No, seriously, _what?_ Does she experience fear? At all? Theres a _ice person_ trying to _murder you,_ why are you jovially quipping? Eyes front soldier? i regret to inform you the positions taken? Clara, your in f*cking danger, do you not get that? Shes just...no fear, no panic, no hesitation, making jolly quips at the ice zombie and babbling out deductions like a Manic Pixie Dream Sherlock. Shes probably never even seen a f*cking car, but sure shes in a TIME MACHINE and deducing "You're nearly a foot taller than I am. You could've reached the ladder without this. You took it for me. Why?" are you kidding me?
At this point, I'm fed up with the compaions being 'special' and saving the universe on their own. I want classic companions who are just ordinary people who are fill ins for the audence. They ask the questions we're asking so we can follow the story, we relate to them because they're just people. Yeah, by the end they're better people than they were before and they stay behind on some alien planet (or whatever) to help them or they go home and take what they learned to help people where they're from. Enough with the Bad Wolves and the Impossible Girls already and enough with the season long arcs that go nowhere. I really think the people working on the show now should be made to sit down and watch the old series and see what made that great.
Yeah is so weird. In classic who companions were just picked randomly and left randomly. This wasn't feeling weird at all. And going with Doctor in calssics was DANGEROUS (the dalek's masterplan for example). In new Who we have some of "death" for nearly all companions (only no this black student of medicine, but i disslike her as companion so much and later in UNIT was much better). Why is this guys?
Well, I've heard them say they shifted the focus of the show from the Doctor himself to the companions because we just know the Doctor so well there's no mystery anymore and having companions come along who have some sort of mystery hanging over their heads is supposed to make the show more interesting. My point about that is the show is called Doctor Who, not Random Companion so it's not such a great way to create mystery. As for the whole lack of risk and no death thing, I can only speak for Moffett's run when he said, in an interview, that he didn't think Companions should ever die. He even said, if he had been in charge of the show, during the classic run, he would've undone Adric's death. Its a really terrible and puzzling stance to take, honestly.
Well this sounds illogical. Doctor's character changes after every regeneration (most obvious seen after first regeneration), so we are just to watch his tryes to repair the universe (thank you Tardis). Why we should care about companions? Is so stupid. Companions should represents us - fans, so rotation is best way to acomplish it... Doctor is "semi-god" (Pandorica, besige of christmas city on Transalor), so why i would want to watch companions more? You are right - if they choose this way then they should rename it to "Companions of Doctor"
Well, I'm not wild about the Doctor as a god either. I like, in the old series, where he just traveled around fixing things. People rarely, if ever, knew his name and certaintly most people weren't afraid of him. I also will never understand Moffitt, its fine if he doesn't want to kill of Compainions but IF that's going to be your rule then don't kill them off just to bringthem back in another episode for no reason. A prime example of this was Bill Potts. She was turned into a Cyberman, then gave up her life to stop the other Cybermen and went out a hero and it was great, then her watery girlfriend shows up, saves her life and she's in the Christman episode for not reason whatsoever.
Clara was Stevens 'Perfect Companion'. No flaws. No humanity. Nothing. She was written more alien than the doctor. Quirky yet not in a way that affects plot or story. Instantly forced into the doctors' life by the faulty story arc. Never making mistakes. Never challenging or correcting the doctors' morality (For the first season). Amy Pond said, "See, this is what happens when you travel around for too long," when the doctor made a decision to trade a person's life for the safety of the town. Companions are a form of grounding for the doctor. Putting the doctor in their place and making sure they don't become all "Time Lord Victorious" like with The Tenths last days. Clara just didn't. She was so "perfect" that she had nothing to offer for most of her time on the show.
I loved Clara. She's one of my favorites. Almost as sharp and clever as the doctor. The writers messed her up in the last season. It's like they hadn't watched the earlier episodes. I found myself saying, Clara would never do that! I blame the writers for not writing her consistently.
You have no idea how much I needed this video. I never cared about Clara or found her character real or relatable in series 7 and I never really knew why. By series 9 it’s like she’s a whole different character and you can’t quite believe that series 7 Clara ever happened
i think they should've kept to having victorian clara become the full-time companion. that introduction was a lot more fleshed out than the bells of st john. and tbh i quite like the idea of clara going off in a tardis of her own, even though i don't like the way it was executed. i don't like the idea that a companion should be punished for becoming doctor-like. imo it's kind of like taking the doctor too seriously and making him TOO larger-than-life. at the end of the day he really is just some guy with a spaceship. i like the idea that sometimes a companion becomes a lot like him. i do wish they had either stuck with the death ending or executed it differently because i think hell bent really fucks with the emotional core of face the raven and heaven sent, but in principle i don't hate the idea of clara going off in her own tardis
13:40 no, Clara needed to bond with Eleven first, otherwise she would have had no reason to stay with Twelve given how much time they spent at each other's throat
Yes but that's because they already knew and liked each other from s7. It made it easier for Clara to put up with him, knowing there was a heart of gold behind those angry eyebrows. But in Deep Breath, they just kept insulting each other, that's not a way to become time-traveling buddies
Though, Clara is the type to LOVE those who challenge her and those she fights with - She fights with Danny often and she loved him. So for her type, the arguing would actually be a plus. I'm one of those, I know falling for someone who annoys you and you disagree with is NOT the best to be with but... I married him anyways.
Being the control freak that she is, I'm not sure she particularly enjoyed having someone challenge her authority, but it certainly made for a more interesting dynamic. She and Danny had a rough start, but Clara was still the dominant in their relationship. Anyway I'm not denying the depth of her friendship with Twelve. All I'm saying is that it was necessary for her to travel with Matt Smith's Doctor before he turned into Capaldi. She was ready to leave him at the end of Deep Breath and it took Eleven's phone call to persuade her to stay.
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I think it's important to note that Jenna Coleman did an incredible job as an actress, the story arc was at fault not her.
I would agree. She did the best job she could with the utter shite she was given to play.
Exactly like with Peter Capaldi.
Magister Of Steam Capaldi actually probably did the best acting out of all the new who doctors (can't include classic because I haven't seen it all). If not for the shitty writing he would undeniably been the best out of all of them.
All of this is true. Love the actress and actor. Don't love the writing.
Kevin the Fabulous I agree. Though Matt Smith is my personal favourite, Peter Capaldi did an excellent job and is my second. Too bad that after writing my favourite Doctor Who episode (The Snowmen), Stephen Moffat started writing terribly for the rest of his career, pretty much just in time for Capaldi.
I really wish Victorian Clara was the companion. That would have been hell of a lot more interesting.
Makes me miss the classic series, when we had more diverse companions. Loved the dynamic between 21st century cold and calculating mega-genius Zoe and 18th century passionate and pigheaded highland warrior Jamie.
they were the same person
@@ogcgaming7524 No they weren't. She was born again and again, but her life each time shaped who she was. Victorian Clara was brilliant. Witty and clever. Clara Prime was a do nothing basic who needed to have her intelligence artificially increased by a computer for her to figure out how to even sign into a computer on her own.
I have always thought the same. The doctor always takes companions from whatever the current year the show's being made... Why is that? It would be cool, but what if a companion came from the past... And maybe another companion could be from current time.
@@wildfilms365 It's why i somewhat enjoyed the Dinosaurs on a spaceship episode. Because even if only briefly we got to see The Doctor travel with companions who were from different periods of history. Also weird to think it took until season 10 before we got a non-human companion for an entire season in Nardole. (Not counting his own Granddaughter).
One of my own personal gripes about Claras character is the missed opportunity of having a companion from the past.. all previous companions have always been from the current time period it was filmed in ( i know its probably important for audiences to relate to them ect) but i really liked the governess/ victorian Clara.. could have gotten quite steam punk-y or at the very least we could see her react to our current time period instead of the other way around... and finally .. victorian Clara was just the best ‘incarnation’ of Clara
yes i LOVE THIS they missed such a good opportunity with her
I agree with you, it was a big chance they missed
I believe there was one such companion in Classic Who. Katarina was from Troy but they had to drop her quickly because a person from the past wouldn't be able to understand modern concepts. Maybe nobody else tried again because the inherent difficulties in trying to make audience believe that a person from the past doesn't find all this mind boggling are too many
Krishna Eluri well i mean give them the right stories & development and i think a character from a different time period (like victorian Clara) in new who could’ve been pretty sick ? Idk Its just a shame it didnt happen
@@KrishnaChandraEluri there was a 2nd doctor companion who was Male I'm pretty sure, I thought it was a great idea bc he didnt just have to be shocked in space but on modern earth aswell
Edit: yeah it was a guy called Jamie Mccrimmon from 1746
Completely agree. The dynamic between Twelve and Clara was *so* much stronger than between Eleven and Clara.
And yup, the big problem with her relationship with Danny is that every single bonding, caring, compassionate moment between them happened off camera. We have no clear idea of what she sees in him and vice versa, because every single time they're on screen together, they're bickering. :/
"This is clara, she cares so I don't have too"
Doctor_Disco greatest line in Doctor Who history
John Moraites lol it’s really not
@@johnmoraites6020 Depressing if that is so.
That's not the quote. I think it's:
Clara-"I'm his carer"
12-"Yes she cares so I don't have to."
@@Stamnley It really shows why I like 12 and Clara. 12 was this grumpy old man, and Clara was this over controlling, but human companion. They call each other out on each others bullshit. And in season 9, their relationship makes so much sense.
Honestly, I really loved Clara. Might just be that Jenna Coleman is so charming I didn't notice any problems
I agree she was awesome
Me too. Clara is one of Fav top 3 o 4 problably. Amy, Donna, Rose and Clara are Tie.
100% agree. I had no idea anyone had a problem with her.
@@swbarron I think a bunch of whiney fans who take themselves and the television shows they watch way too seriously are an extremely vocal minority who create the illusion most fans hate Clara. Meanwhile, non-incels, people with lives, and those who just love Dr Who without it becoming their identity are absolutely shocked when we see arrogant Tubers declaring Clara was almost good and the comments that follow from folks whose social lives revolve around subreddits and the like.
Yeah but I don’t remember any of these scenes (aside from her first two introductions)
The fact that victorian Clara was originally Clara prime makes so much sense!
It genuinely felt jarring when she died, including the setup. If I wasnt so used to the rule of 3 I'd probably have been mad about it. Looming back, I'm even more mad about it because a Victorian era companion with the wit and cognition to adapt to space would be exceedingly interesting! The only issue would be how she would leave the tardis eventually, but considering how the mentality of the Victorian era was it would be believable that she never felt a need to settle down or rest anywhere. She already moved at the Doctor's reckless pace....actually....
What if the way Viccy Clara dies was not due to either of them tripping up.or sacrificing, but due to fatigue from both of them running a million miles a minute? 11 was always excessively reckless and fast paced, the companion bringing him into Capaldi dying due to both of them going too fast for too long would easily whiplash him into the slower and more aged 12. Moffat really dropped the ball, that kind of story would have been amazing in his hands.
For some reason the new who companions are all modern, victorian clara would have been new ya know
Didn’t know it but I guess I am the odd one out. I flippen loved Clara but now that you mentioned it, keeping the Victorian Clara would have been 100 times better.
chara loves clara
I really liked Clara too. My only complaint is that she should have stayed dead after face the raven.
@@FullFatVideos ozzie loves the squaddie
@@Dandidoodles they probably thought that reviving her would get a better response.
Your not alone.
I think my favorite companion was either Donna or Amy. I like Amy's backstory and the imaginary friend is a cool idea. But I think Donna will aways be my favorite because her and the 10th doctor really were partners in crime not in love but they just had an amazing friendship with great chemistry her introduction made me laugh and her ending made me cry.
God, the tenth-Donna chemistry was just perfect
Me too loved donna
And I think Donna should meet 13 and make her laugh
Donna was perfect in every way, but I think Amy will always be my favorite (I started watching around when season 5 was released)
Its always the red head companions with the powerful personalitys, which sadly makes more subtle characters like Clara and Martha pale in comparison, still love them too though.
ten and donna have amazing chemistry and shes a great companion but i personally like amy more just because donnas a bit annoying to me
The only thing that annoyed me about Clara was her relationship with Danny. I just felt like it was unnecessary, his character as a whole was unnecessary.
Yeah, it tainted that entire season.
@madder66mortem I hated Rory and Amy the silly sod died every week so when he actually died it was ho hum what again! Danny Pink I didn't like the whole love story arc felt tacked on but I did like his interaction with the Doctor calling him an officer and it wounding the Doctor right to his core. the acting between the two in those scenes was bang on. I would like to see a companion like this who doesn't hang on the Doctors every word and at times thinks he's actually a bit of an arsehole ( Donna was Brilliant for this! and when she let loose the Doctor was actually in awe and scared of her! I think he mentioned he'd rather face a hoard of Daleks than Donna when she's upset. I loved that about her.)
I *hated* Danny Pink so much...
Rose and Mickey were good.
Amy and Rory were amazing.
Danny Pink and Clara ruined episodes.
your not alone there! although I did enjoy the argument he had with the Doctor calling him an officer that was just about the only thing he did worth watching
@@drankydrank1 I didn't like Rory (I'm dead again this week!) and Amy (I'm crying over Rory again! this week) much preferred the Doctor and Amy without the interference of old big nose
I would have loved to see the dynamic with Victorian Clara. Her foundation was better established than modern Clara and there were so many interesting routes to take with her character and possibly the first time the "base" of the Doctor's travels maybe would have been not in the modern day.
All character plot faults aside, Jenna Coleman played her as quite a charming character for individual episodes and line deliveries so I find it hard to dislike her often.
I've heard the loss of Victorian Clara was due to executive meddling from on high, as they thought audiences would be driven away by a Victorian companion.
Arielina captain Jack wasn't from this era.
Arielina captain Jack wasn't from this era.
@@jamesgrieves2669 They do know this is a show about *Time* Travel right?
Jack is from another planet. no one really knows what era he is from. he cam fit in, as a time agent, he can adapt to any era. That's why he was accepted so much.
The problem wasn't with her. It was that she became the focus of the show and the Doctor became the supporting character. They started doing that with Amy Pond, but that happened over time. Clara started out as the main character before she became established in the show.
The purpose of the companion is to humanize the Doctor and allow him to give exposition without a soliloquy. They were never supposed to become the focus of the show, but to support the Doctor and give the audience insight into his character.
Yeah, they kept on going with that theme for a while. Personally I thought the next companion was overly exaggerated.
Yes. I think this is why Martha and Donna (and amy and rose to a degree) worked so well.
Yeah, one of the main problems I have with Jodie's run is actually the fact that she's pretty much because a cameo in her own show
@@emotion_deluxe DONNA!!!! I wish Donna could of gone longer they were such a duo 😂😂
I've never really seen the problem with the take of "the Doctor didn't seem like the lead anymore". We've literally had over 30 years of exactly that, it would kill us to try something a bit different for merely a couple? It's not like he was completely relegated to the background.
I loved Clara *because* she was a flawed companion. She became almost obsessed with the Doctor and tried to become the Doctor, resulting in her death. It shows that the Doctor can be dangerous to those he's around, however it also shows that he can change a person into someone who is brave and resourceful, if a tad reckless. Plus she has an epic wardrobe
All the companions were flawed, but they were flawed before they met the Doctor and they became better people for having known him. Clara was pretty much a decent person from day one, and became flawed because of her association with the Doctor.
@@rocketguardian2001 you actually named one of the reasons I liked her. I could never quite put my finger on it, but she's sort of the inverse of the other companions. She became a bit too cocky, and it was the reason she died (even though she came back). It was interesting to watch how being in constant contact with a powerful being like the Doctor could have inadvertent ill effects.
I get what you're saying and I would agree only... They never actually acknowledge how flawed she was. How she had become a worse character with the doctor. Sure, they mention she tried to be too much like the doctor and that's what got her killed, but the frame her as a mighty heroine for it, not a cautionary tale. They made her this big important person who got a whole lot of seasons, framed her as this ultimate rolemodel but never said "no, this character is flawed, be warned".
Not personally having watched all of Clara's seasons, she sounds very similar to Donna but more forced
@@jessicaable5095
... Isn't that a good thing? The show doesn't shove the message down your throat but the message still exists. We can all see that Clara was flawed, we see how she became more flawed by interacting with the doctor, and we see that those flaws led to her demise. Yes, she's a mighty heroine, yes, She's a role model, but She's a role model for what not to do. She's someone that you should strive to never become.
I really like the sort of dad-daughter relationship between 12and Clara. It just works
With matt smith , they were like a couple
@@ssssSTopmotion a transaction from a kind of boyfriend to a father is creepy.
@@ssssSTopmotion yeah i never liked how they tried to make 11 have a couple dynamic with Clara
@@vanisha6000 The worst for me were 10 and Rose, whose relationship I found nauseating; 11 and Clara were tame by comparison.
@@ftumschk oh i kinda liked rose and ten lol
"Clara oswald is considered one of the worst companions in all of New Who"
Series 11: Hold my beer
That is a general response to any "X is the worst Y of Doctor Who" statement.
@@WerewolfLord When people say a s11 episode is the worst ever I point to Hell Bent. Or Warriors of the Deep, or Kill the Moon, or Nightmare in Silver, or Idiots Lantern.
Ben Warburton Kill the Moon definitely wins
Every episode of season 11 is dull as dirt and so are the companions
Martha was a pretty trash companion in my opinion
Unpopular opinion but I actually loved series 7 Clara. Due to the mystery surrounding her character, her personality was revealed mostly through subtext; incorporating more of "show don't tell". I found this refreshing since most companions on doctor who are unrealistically open about their every character flaw. I was able to guess at every aspect of Clara's personality and found her to have incredible and very consistent chemistry with the doctor.
100% agree
lol
100% agree
I had the idea watching this that she should have been revealed as the Doctor during his death arc. She was upstaging him all the time, almost like she was taking his mantle. Then, she falls into his timeline and is scattered. What comes of that? How does that stop his death and get the TARDIS rotting on the fields of Trensalor? That graveyard is literally brushed under the rug!
No, her falling into the timeline should have been followed by 11 getting shot and River pulling his body into the current Tardis, them crashing on Transalor in the past and River lacking his body in the vault, letting his Time Lord body decompose into the time vortex we see.
Then, in present day as the bad guys celebrate, the vortex vanishes. The remains turn to dust, the TARDIS begins to wheeze. Clara is back from the Timeline, and through the shattering in time and subsequent refocus at the point of break, she returns as a fresh new doctor with all the regenerations back.
The bad guys, in trying to kill the Doctor with Time, instead restored the Doctor to full power. A fixed point in time of their making that allowed the Doctor to transcend the only limitation Time Lords had, for awhile longer at least.
Then she dumps them in a black hole or something and she takes on capaldi as a companion I dunno.
ClayXros you spent that long writing this 😂😂😂😂😂😂 but good point that would be amazing
Am I one of the few people who actually loved Clara? I feel she really devoted herself and acted as her part flawlessly.
Good acting doesn't mean a lot if your script is garbage. Look at 13th
They really missed an opportunity with an episode where Clara Prime meets another Clara
Actually it happened in the "blood and ice" doctor who comic, published in Doctor Who Magazine and later in the DWM compilation "The Eye of Torment". In this story Clara meets one of her splinters, and she can't get over the fact that all of her splinters have to die in order to save the Doctor. But i won't say more, spoilers.
THANK YOU. In "Cold War", Clara is literally asked by one of the Russians what she enjoys doing in her spare time and she says, "stuff". Lazy, lazy writing which forced Jenna to act harder and stay longer to get good material to work with. People liked Oswin and Victorian Clara instantly, like they did with Bill and young Amy. It's frustrating to see that Moffat can write exceptionally well but make these kinds of mistakes.
Well what else should she say? She clearly was not interested in having a conversation at that moment, when trapped in a Russian nuclear submarine decades in the past, on one of her first adventures. So she tried to end the conversation, and that's how you do that. I thought Clara prime was instantly the best Clara.
Could you imagine if she had said: Surfing the web, texting my friends, playing WoW and other modern "stuff". She is QUITE aware that the timeline could be Frelled up so she kept it low key.
HoshiReed true, true, that does make sense, didn't think about it like that. (I do actually like Clara, and that Cold War is one of her best episodes, just wish she hadn't been burdened by her series 7 arc and we'd got to know her better sooner)
Moffat likes to introduce characters then either do a time skip or say “Wait! That’s not the main one lolz, here’s the real companion.” Which makes character introductions to the Doctor feel forced. When adult Amy first saw the doctor she was only angry for leaving her and obsessed with him being her “raggedy man.” Clara was literally just a giant mystery meaning Clara’s first introduction to the Doctor are nothing but him and her going on an adventure for the lulz because he knows another version of her somewhere.
Rose simply met the Doctor, got along with him, proved her bravery and off she went.
Martha met the doctor, proved her intelligence and bravery and got along with the doctor and off they went.
Donna at first didn’t like the doctor but warmed up to him and she already had a great introduction in the Christmas episode and it was only a year between those episodes that she decided to join him.
Point is, while Rose, Martha & Donna joined willingly, because they really enjoyed the doctor’s company and wanted to help people, and I would argue Amy is the same (just wish they didn’t have him meet her as a child first). Clara though, everything is so rushed because we’ve met her two times already that there is no chemistry, we don’t really know why she goes with the doctor and we’ve already met two versions of her that are infinitely more interesting.
I can forgive meeting Amy while she was young, as it does pay off and proved some real emotional moments. But Clara? Holy crap, the “mystery girl” plot followed by the “Born to save the Doctor” plot BS is the worst thing I’ve seen in doctor who history. All I can see is Steven Moffat going “Yeah that’s right, MY companion has saved all the doctors. MY companion chose the Doctor’s TARDIS. MY companion is super important & special.”
I don’t usually use the word Mary Sue, but holy crap is she a Mary Sue.
I find it amusing that one of the clips used to show how she was "almost good" is one of the clips that so completely illustrates for me, one of the main problems with her. "And don't you dare lump me in with the rest of all the little humans that you think are so tiny and silly and predictable." And earlier in that same scene "Tell me what you knew, Doctor, or else I'll smack you so hard you'll regenerate."
I never got why people didn't like clara. She was actually my favorite companion. Especially in combination with peter capaldis doctor.
Agreed except my favourite is Donna and her character development is the best imo.
I loved Clara.
@@crashfan9997 of the new ones Donna is mine too she took absolutely no crap off the Doctor ( or anyone except her horrible mum) was getting to like Bill but she was too short lived
@@Marisa_zulk too much information!
Her personality was all over the place. One episode she could boss the Doctor around, the next one she was screaming for help, etc. Her origin being a plot device and being too 'important' for the Doctor didn't help either to ground her as a true character.
As an actress, I honestly think clara did very well with her role overall. From my perspective, it was the writing that prevented her from gaining traction with fans.
I actually think the eleven-Clara dynamic could have worked, and they had the perfect set-up: in her modern introduction episode, he comes across as a creepy stalker. Simply have her react negatively to this, refuse to join him, but then get dragged along on an adventure out of circumstance (TARDIS malfunction or whatever). After this point, she has to keep tagging along (as the malfunctions keep happening) and she learns gradually who the doctor is and eventually comes to accept him. The end of the series could also point to the "impossible girl" obsession as just that: an obsession that left a negative impression on someone who was otherwise perfectly ordinary (and, again, only "impossible" out of the circumstances of her actions and eventual decision to save the doctor). Oh, and if you want a reason for the malfunctions, the TARDIS is simply reacting negatively to a person who has already been shattered throughout the doctor's timeline, neatly wrapping the plot and the character arcs of the series together.
Gravastars1 this is now my headcanon 🤩
Oh that actually might have been wonderful! I would pay to see that version play out.
so the tardis was just jealous about she isn't the only girl in doctor life? xD
Thiiissss. Seriously, they had the perfect setup. Clara (in her "in-character" episodes) is shrewd, disobedient, and obstinate. It would have been so much fun to have her tag along after their meet cute because how could you refuse time and space when it is so freely offered? And have her character battle with loving the traveling but not loving 11's big personality so much. So much potential for comedic moments, especially moments when Clara would inevitably need to rely on the Doctor. And if the writers played their cards right, that moment of interceding to save the Doctor's timeline would be more suspenseful. Would Clara risk everything to save someone she has previously decided she didn't like? I could see the Doctor saying, "just leave me to die, save yourself." Clara trying to convince herself to listen, then maybe make a joke about that being the first time she'd have obeyed him and go in to save him.
I'm becoming more and more convinced that Clara just needed a second draft.
@@Meggsie Clara is clara . But Not better amy Pond .my meaning. 🙄
I didn't realize people didn't like Clara... she's my favorite 😍
It's the usual loud and vocal minority. People don't post as much when they are happy with things, only complaniers do that.
lwaves it's not a minority
+loags22 It's always a minority that are loud and vocal.
lwaves again. It's not a minority that didnt like her
+loags22 I respect your right to be wrong. It's true that a lot of people don't like her but it isn't the majority. The majority of fans who watch the show don't share their opinion online, their viewpoint is unknown, therefore they are the majority. Like or dislike Clara are both minorities. :-)
I never felt as though Clara thought of 12 as “grumpy old man” & “space dad” I always felt as though their relationship was a lot more intimate than Clara and 11 had been. Clara treats the doctor as “the other man” when she is seeing Danny, not as, “oh, this is my space dad” and not to mention, a love triangle trope is used with 2 romantic interests, not with 1 who is a father figure and 1 who is the love interest. In Mummy on the Orient Express, Clara is on the phone with Danny and says, “I love you” while directly looking at the Doctor (it was later said by Jenna Coleman this was meant for the Doctor). In the Series 9 opener, the Doctor makes comments how he only sees Clara, and didn’t even know there was a crowd there; he also starts play “Pretty Woman” when he sees her. These are things that I would never say to my male best friend, and these are things that if said to me by my male best friend, would make me question if he had feelings for me. I think it is really easy to get caught up in “they’re best friends, they love each other as best friends!” And “space dad” because Capaldi is so much older than Coleman that it would be awkward to watch them physically romantic and outright flirting with each other like 11 and Clara did. I know not many agree with this, but it is always how I have read 12 and Clara: a lot more intimate and in love than they ever were as 11 and Clara.
I think their relationship is impossible to categorise as romantic or platonic, it's makes it so beautiful. And only 12 could have a relationship like that, because he's not as flirty as the other doctors, and he deeply needs an emotional pilar
Absolutely. I think the relationship can be read in various ways. It was intended like that by the writers. In your head it can be as platonic or romantic as you want it to be. But to me the absolute worst interpretation is father/daughter.😄 I seriously wonder if people were watching the same show when they say that. I mean, to each their own, if that's how you want to read it go and do that. But it's just weird imo. I feel like people say that based on the age of the actors and literally nothing more.
i would agree with the intimacy, though i do firmly believe that the relationship between clara and 12 is more of an emotional support type of relationship. because 12 is supposed to be the real doctor, the “veil lifted”, he’s shown to be someone very cross and feels very lonely. in comes clara, someone he finds himself latched onto because of the support that someone like her can offer to the personality like his. like missy said “a control freak and a man who does not like to be controlled”. these opposite personalities cant help but be attracted to each other in the sense that their egos want to prove to the other that theyre right. theyre emotionally attached to each other because of this
12: I'm not your boyfriend.
Clara:
12: I never said that was your mistake.
(Sorry forgot what Clara said).
12 Obviously loves her intensely. I mean he murdered a man (Timelord general) to bring her back from her last second of life.
I like Clara as a companion, just think Moffat was on fumes after the Ponds left with his best work being the 50th and 11ths send off. To me 12 is a slow burner who doesn't get good until well into his run. Agree with everyone else Victorian Clara was the one people liked the most and they don't see the basis for the relationship as Victorian Clara had the grounding to it.
Basically Moffat wanted there to be a romance between Clara a 12 but Capaldi said “not on your life.”
I agree with Capaldi, especially as Clara was a different person every week. How to do base a good romance on that?
I was happy to, finally, have a companion that noticed the clay in the Doctor's shoes and refused to feel unworthy of being next to him.
That’s why I really liked Donna as well. After three years of Rose and Martha drooling over/just shy of worshiping the Doctor, it was awesome to have someone who called out his flaws and refused to put herself beneath him, and he liked it. Then they kinda just reverted with Amy, and Clara would have been a great opportunity to do that again, but then there was such a weird will-they-won’t-they with Matt Smith that, even once they got the vibe right with Capaldi (because he’s older and less attractive I guess?), it just wasn’t the same.
Clara lost impact as a companion when 3 things happened... Stories became clara focuses and felt like the doctor became the companion. (look at all the times that the doctor suddenly chased her around). They wrote Clara to make her somehow almost too important... specially in the fact that they made her to the point that she has manipulated the entire doctor's life... and then the point she stopped being the companion and suddenly believed that she could do anything the doctor could do which ultimately cost her life... oh wait...she didnt even probably die because she was "saved" by Aria Stark and now has her own Tardis to which she can run away from her own death....
With that said...at first, Clara was a fresh breath of air. I had become tired of Amy/Rory by the end of their run (even though I really loved them most of that run) and Clara was different. However she became tiring by the time of Matt's finish.
Honestly I liked Clara believing that she could do everything the Doctor could and I liked even more that it costed her life.. Shows how the Doctor and running with him can influence others but reminds you that they still aren't him..The problem is that it getted tired because since she Start everything was pointing how important she was , even when they were getting to the Doctors problems it still would end with Clara have a connection with everything . Clara's arcs were amazing but they were a lot , the Tranzelor could not exist since it wasn't the actual place the Doctor was meant to die ,it only happened to show us how important and necessary Clara was. Messing around with two doctors maked the situation worsht , tho she didn't run that much with 11 it felt too much because of the story arcs.. Moffat is a genius but sometimes his writing and his ideas are many and too good to be transferred in the show without problems..
Clara was perfectly fine until the end. Imo when her bf showed up than her Stort arc got really dry and that's kind of how I knew she was gonna die. Honestly I didn't mind Hell Bent, except the idea of Clara being alive going on her own adventures is really fuckin dumb
I also thought Clara was breath of fresh air!
Lol this is what I loved about it. That the doctor became the companion. Thats what made it magic for me hahahahaha. The doctor is the biggest narcissist and needed someone to point that out and also steal the light away. It made it more interesting to watch for me anyway.
I agree
7:42 i thought that it was made pretty clear from the first two claras that all of her copies were not made to exist alone, their sole purpose is to save the doctor. she even says this in her monologue. the copies would all eventually die presumably at the same age and point as clara is when she enters the time stream. their purpose has been fulfilled and they are no longer useful. there’s only one true clara
Kind of sad when you think about it. In a way she split her soul and sacrifice every piece individually for the Doctor.
I think Moffat just tried to make her too much like the doctor overall
she took the show over near the end. she has her own damn tardis now which is dangerous she will mess up time and space now and or have the tardis captured by hostile elements aka daleks. her coming back to life ruined what ever repsect i had for the writers or character. she really made me rage in some episodes. she ruined doctor who backstory like his childhood, the fate of galifrey.
the actress was great though.
HistoryFan476ad Yeh, I think every actor on doctor who is normally great it's just the poor writing which is its downfall; Peter Capaldi's series weren't very good in my opinion but if you compare that to Torchwood S3 I think he was brilliant in that.
That literally is the point lol. She died because she wanted to be like the doctor
Moffat said himself that that was intentional.
Yes, but just because that is the point, that doesn't automatically mean it made her likeable or a good character. Besides, I personally think Moffat massively undermined his point about the dangers of wanting to be like the Doctor when he made Clara practically immortal just moments after she died and gave her her own Tardis. For all intents and purposes she is the Doctor now and she got rewarded for her arrogance.
I hated the fact that Moffat couldn't seem to stick to his guns and kept Clara dead when she was killed off. The way they had built up to this episode, with her becoming more and more arrogant and then finally making a mistake that ultimately killed her, was a strong message. It was a "try and not to be someone you aren't as it won't end well". But no, Moffat doesn't and a few episodes later, she's back. Rewarded with her own time machine and companion. Uh...no. Imagine if Russel T. Davies did this with say...Donna's character. He has the Doctor wipe her memory clean of him and anything to do with him because the Time Lord essence inside her mind was slowly killing her. That was one of the few moments in new Who that almost made me tear up. If Davies had then gone and somehow brought Donna back along with her memories of the Doctor without the threat of death looming over her, that would've felt like a betrayal of the viewers emotions. A "so you put us through all of that for no reason?" thing.
Clara's return after the episode that supposedly "killed her off" just felt like a deus ex machina moment, and one of the reasons why I really didn't like Moffat the longer he stayed on Doctor Who. He never seemed to like killing off his own creations. When you kill a character off in a story, it's a lot more powerful if the character stays dead. Don't bring a supposed dead character back, cause all you'll do is annoy your readers/viewers.
I strongly agree
TheMidnightwolf15 I disagree, that wasn’t the issue with her exit. Bringing her back had a good explanation, story, and reason. Where Moffat made a big mistake was bringing her back from the end of S8. I think people forget how perfect her S8 exit was, and just how awful her returns were.
Am I the only one that actually likes how Clara was saved in "Hell Bent"?
It doesn't undo her death being her fault. It could be interpreted as a sort of Christian grace metaphor. Clara dooms herself through her own mistakes, but the Doctor suffers on her behalf and saves her anyway because of how much she means to him. Plus, there's something incredibly poignant to me about her "the long way 'round" sendoff. We all have to face our fate some day, but Clara gets the gift of being able to live a full life and face her fate head-on when she's ready.
@@hardwickebenthow If she gets to live as long as she likes and postpone it as long as she likes, there's really nothing to it. She learns nothing and nothing is achieved.
What's the point of learning to accept something that you have complete control over? What is there to accept?
@@fellinuxvi3541 Immortality has its downsides. There's a reason that in "Highlander" the ability to die is seen as a prize.
Clara is my personal favourite companion. I just love her character arc of becoming more like the Doctor, and her travels in the TARDIS becoming an unhealthy addiction. It was such a unique take on the Doctor/companion relationship that had never been done before. Jenna Coleman is easily my favourite female actor to come from the show too.
I think one of the issues was she had to live up to Amy and Rory who were arguably the best companions
YourLocalBritishGangsta Amy and rory arguably the best companions 😂😂😂🤕🤕🤕🤕👍
Nope.
Rose foreva.
Donna
twenty one cries for help Donna is my favorite companion
Yea I really liked Amy and Rory, they kinda felt like the new who version of Jamie and Zoe. Which is of course a very good thing :)
I wish she was introduced in season 8 and just had been Capaldis companion.
yeah like, amy and rory could die in the end off season 7, giving them a gew more episodes and cara to be introduced in season 8
Matt Smith was planned to stay another season with Clara and Clara’s last season was gonna be with capaldi first season #Woufle I love Matt Smith and Clara’s run
5:37 Really didn't notice that book was written by Amy Pond until now!
Yeah
Me neither
Holy moly! That's brilliant!
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you're right!
Featuring a girl, a long dark haired boy and a smaller blonde boy, wait a minute...
My dislike for Clara has little to do with Jenna Coleman or what she does in the course many episodes, but far more to do with Stephen Moffat's story arc for her. She was a Mary Sue of the highest order.
First he retcons her into the Doctor's entire continuity. Even going as far telling him which TARDIS to steal. This can almost be forgiven if it weren't for the fact he wasn't done yet. Series 8 becomes infuriating. She knows full well what the Doctor is about but when 12 arrives she goes "icky! He's old!" Then she leaves and unleaves SIX times! (more if you count Face the Raven/Hell Bent) But Moffat's not done yet, because his endgame approaches: he was trying to make Clara a Time Lord. It starts in Flatline, continues with the nonsensical "Hybrid" storyline and ends with: her very own TARDIS. I'm sure this was his attempt to wrangle a spinoff or his angle at a female Doctor before Chris Chibnall took over and made the change.
Oh, and despite only dating Danny a few months and treating him like crap, she is so special that his love for her and his alone is the only thing that can overcome Cyberman conversion.
she is also the reason why the war doctor decided to go back and face destiny. before they well ruined the time war. i'm surprised in the end she did not cure cancer. she was also used as a mouthpiece by the show runners to sprout there views on matters.
moffat was just a terrible writer he cut corners, couldn't write even mediocre charters and lost the show like 3 million viewers as a result
I think you should look up what a Mary Sue is. Being capable and important is not a Mary Sue. She has more pronounced negative character traits than any other companion. She makes serious mistakes she suffers from herself. She is still the only main character that actually dies on screen, and that is because of a mistake she made. Also, she is definitely not loved by everyone, unlike every companion ever. Quite the opposite of that. She always has a hard time getting her way, and no one in the entire show is more distrusted by complete strangers than she is. Vastra, the TARDIS, virtually everyone in Flatline etc.Or do you just label every smart female character a "Mary Sue"?
Ok you can split hairs over the definition but my argument stands. But way to make some half-assed sexism accusation, even though I consider Liz Shaw one of the best and criminally underused companions. Dismissed for being too smart. Nor did I have any problem at all with Bill, who also deserved a longer run.
the show has really lost the flare it once had. it just feels so mundane now to watch. never mind the digs at men written in the script or said by characters. they even have swearing in the family show.
I actually really liked Clara..
fuck you. adric is the best
Me too! I didn't even know there was such hatred towards her! I'm actually hoping that we get to see her again (and Maisie Williams as well)
Kevyn King | The joke is that everyone who's watched Classic Who universally hates Adric. When people dislike a companion and want them to get "the Earthshock treatment," they're referring to Adric. No one genuinely thinks he's the best even if he didn't grind their nerves to dust.
comicconcarne Well shit I liked Adric too. Probably my least favourite companion ever but I didn't hate the guy.
If all most everyone hate her why did she last so long
clara is my favroute companion and i didnt relize that people didnt like her until recently :(
Trust me a lot of people DO like her
I am one of them. But its annoying because people are so vocal about hating clara.
I didn’t like Clara mainly because I’m a huge Amy fan lol
@Moana Subs Clara is perfect.
In her first appeareance (the Dalek asylum), I fell in love with her character. Every subsequent appearance made me fall out of love with her a little, until I just didn't care about her that much.
Season 8 or the Victorian Clara would had so much more potential. I really wanted to like Clara, and did as much I could, but the show runners really made it impossible.
I guess that's the real reason she was the Impossible Girl.
I think that the idea of Clara splintering herself around the universe would have been really cool if it happened every episode of 7B. How amazing would it have been if they had been able to pull off her introduction as an essentially new character every episode and soon the Doctor comes to expect her to be there and he slowly learns more and more about her and yet has to watch her die every episode, until finally the finale occurs and the Clara that splinters herself and goes on to do 8 and 9 is so moved to do so because the Doctor has essentially gotten to know her so well that she feels a connection with him deep down as a person. Maybe it sounds a little corny to read it like that but I think it could have been truly amazing if it was pulled off. Certainly would have been ambitious but hey I think it could have worked if Moffat had been ballsy enough to do it for real.
Am I one of the few fans that absolutely adores Clara. Yes she had personal written issues during some of the early episodes and especially during season 8 but she’s strong, independent, funny, sassy. She keeps twelve sane and keeps eleven steady. Her chemistry is quite sweet with eleven and with twelve I think the chemistry is brilliant and they bounce of each other well. I started to go from feeling fairly indifferent about her in season 7 to loving her in 8 and being obsessed in 9. I’m one of the few that does see the romantic chemistry with twelve. I like her exciting personality and I really like the way she died because she still has the sad ending where she faces her consequences but she still gets the time to say goodbye and enjoy what she does best and that travelling in space. What I don’t like about it is that it’s quite open ended and I would like the story of her to have a real ending meaning that we know what happens and not left to wander and I also don’t like the fact she travels with Me because Me seems quite pointless and kept doing things to disrupt the season whenever the writers couldn’t think of a real original episode
There are quite a lot of fans that really like Clara, despite how desperately some people are to negate their existence. She is one of the most hated, but also one of the most loved companion.
I think a lot of the "hatred" directed at her is misplaced, as the main problem is Moffat's writing - he's pretty crap at developing character, particularly in women. Clara was a mixed bag overall, but I agree she was a better companion to 12 than 11 - it was just too little, too late.
As Clara is a character in Moffat's scripts and only exists within this fictional universe, saying that the problem is that Moffat's writing is bad does make the character bad. If we were talking about a fictional representation of a real-life historical character, we could say "this person was bad in the show only because of the script, in history she was actually an ok dude" then the arguement would hold true, however, Clara is fiction, therefore bad script = bad character (however not the worst, in my opinion that goes to either Rose or Donna).
You're right. But she did have amazing scripts, which meant that she is a great character. To me, she is the best written companion character in all of Doctor Who.
Her ending up with Ashilda is the most awesome slap to the face of the time lords. Like hearing a snap, then watching a mouse run off with the cheese.
Thank you for point out that 'tight skirt' line Matt Smith was forced to push out. I got in a flame war over that with some apologist back in the day. Where the hell did the idea come out that Matt-Doc wanted to give Clara the good old 'Time Rotor'. To me it was always shamefully lazy writing.
The entire 'Impossible Girl' plot also went nowhere. Moffat seemed to completely forget whatever he had in mind for that one, although in his defence, he seemed to completely forget whatever he had in mind for most of his grand plot arcs. We went from 'Who is the Impossible Girl?' to the pay off of 'I AM the Impossible Girl.'
Ummm... okay... and...?
And now you are just a school teacher?? Hang on! You were the sodding Impossible Girl and now you are 'Miss! Miss!' to a bunch of child actors? To me the show runners should had the balls to tell her that her character arc was now over and it was time to get into the big bucks in Marvel movies. Instead they decided to completely re-invent her and make the entire show about her to the extent that at the (final) end of her character arc she literally becomes a sodding time lord with her own sodding character.
(actually given the quality of her acting, maybe they SHOULD have made her the next Doctor. I can never imagine Jemma making buck teeth faces every episode)
I will tell you what was funny. At the end of Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS. Matt Smith was doing his lines, then he suddenly spanks Clara with a Towel. She only smirked and kept in character.
Matt smith must have really liked Jenna....in real life.
I agree, she would have made a great Doctor. Heck, with the whole impossible girl nonsense, that would have been a great loophole past the 12th regeneration!
The battle where the doctor finally dies, the Tardis ruined and rotting on the fields of that fateful day. The Doctor himself goes there with Clara, ready to meet his end. Then they are forced to the center.
River opens the vault, Clara falls into the Doctor's grave, and the Doctor is killed. River drags him into the vault in the living Tardis, where it crashes in the past where it would lay. Then, a familiar sound rings through the derelict Tardis. The enemies of the Doctor look around, confused and scared. They just killed him, they closed the loop. Why is the Tardis waking up?! They rush to the console room only to be captured by the Tardis containment field, and Clara flipping switches as the Tardis begins to heal.
"The girl?" They ask, then the main woman's eyes widen in fear. "The impossible girl...." and Clara smirks and says "The Doctor, back from my own timeline and my old body. Thought it would be that easy, did you?"
Being scattered through time, through the Doctor's timeline, and through the events of the Day of the doctor and Gallifrey's return, let the doctor reincarnate through Clara. So now Clara takes up her mantle that she had taken as the old Doctor fades, a new timeline to be lived through. And 12 new regenerations ready to burn.
Would have been way more satisfying than that dumb space magic "The time lords gave me more" bullcrap that completely upends the one limitation and time limit Time lords had.
@@clayxros576 they should hire you :D would have been waaayy better than what we got :)
@@clayxros576 love it. Just so long as we can get Capaldi in there somewhere. Omega or Rassilon maybe?
@@ronaldfrechette2045
The Doctor after Clara, or even go buck wild and have Capaldi as the 14th Doctor and have him travel with Clara (his past self now) and have a REALLY wild paradox that needs to be cleaned up.
Clara in my scenario would still be Clara, just with the Doctor's entire memory. The next Doctor making sure she doesn't screw up would make sense, and the TARDIS would let it happen cause it would force a stable time loop. Course that would mean Calpaldi needs to watch himself die and become himself in the inevitable finale, but that just gives some fun for the writer.
"The entire mystery is plot-based" - that's the problem I have with River Song as well (or...maybe Steven Moffat's characterisation in general).
Clara is the only character to have a similarity to Sarah Jane smith, but a more modern version. I loved Jenna's work as Clara, she is one companion I do miss, along with lalla ward as romana, the two best companions I reckon.
Her character is named "Clara" because that was Elisabeth Sladen's middle name.
@@JohnSmith-bw7cx Wow is this true?
daman 71 something about the career actress. Character didn’t come through. Same in everything she does
I don't see anything wrong with her tbh
I'm personally very confused. Amy us my favorite, but Clara was always my 2nd choice. Depending on the day, even 1st choice. I LOVED her whole Impossible Girl story arc.
Up until Jodie, Bill was at worst the mehiest companion. But buy oh boy, did they mess 13.
Rares Macovei and that’s a fact
for 13 they shoulda introduced them more like amy/rory. with 1 person as the companion, build an on-earth relationship with the other (this with Yas and then Ryan) and they both join the Tardis, then Graham shoulda been a more Wilfred or Brian Williams character but actually stayed for a while. introducing all 3 was a big no no imo
@@peepeetrain8755 exactly. None of them ever had meaningful friendships. The 13th doctor knows them 5 mins and says “you’re all my fam now” and they just go along with it? It makes no sense
she was so fit
i hope you do a 5th dr who video soon
God yeah she was
Best looking companion by far, but also probably the most fucking annoying.
am i the only one finding Amy fuggin hot ?
very fit
As much as Clara is a rubbish companion and her story sucked, we must remember to separate the actress from the character, Jenna Coleman did her best with the material she was given, it's just a shame the material was utter rubbish and i do really get the feeling she could of been the best companion of new who, there are these breif moments where we see this amazing possiblity shine threw like in kill the moon and Victorian Clara. So in conclusion well done Jenna Coleman for taking rubbish and at least gold plating it.
In what way was it "rubbish material"? Her character was explored in more detail than that of any other companion, she had a fluid character growth and development, more of that than any other companion, and was involved in many great stories, where she wasn't just along for the ride, but played a role in the story as well. And her roles in the stories were not some deus-ex-machina solution because the writer ran out of ideas, but a sensible interaction between her and the other characters, fully in line with Clara's character. For me she clearly had the best writing of any companion.
@@euler4273 about the Deus ex machina thing, have you forgotten about the bells of saint John?
@@notmyrealname2235 No, I haven't. And I don't see any deus ex machina moment for Clara in Bells of Saint John.
Same can be said of every actor who came after Coleman. Very talented actors who are perfect for the role - severely hamstringed by gradeschool quality writing.
why do people hate her? i loved her character and almost cried when she died in face the raven
I, on the other hand, wanted to scream when she came back after I thought she was _finally_ dead. And to this day Im haunted by the knowledge that shes out there in a diner Tardis and could come back at any time and continue on not being f*cking dead
.............i really dont like Clara
@@bloodyneptune If it's not weird to ask, why did you hate Clara? I understand people have opinions and I'm not trying to bash on them. If you don't want to make a list, why did you hate Clara the most [other than the fact shes practically immortal because she keeps getting reborn again]
@@bloodyneptune LOL thats how I feel about Rose. Clara on the other hand is a gangsta
I loved when they first introduced her, but hated when they made her physically abusive.
@@bloodyneptune I'd love to see Michael Burnham from Star Trek Disvovery meet 32nd Century Clara...😀
She's one of the most hated, but understandably one of the most loved. Disconnecting her from simply bad episodes, she's mainly a victim of Moffat.
I personally am a big fan, but I think she SHINES during the Capaldi days. God damn. So fun
I agree. With the 50th looming (and I dunno, was he writing Sherlock at the time?), Moffat threw a bunch of spaghetti at the wall re: Clara's characterization.
LOVE Clara and Twelve, and series 9 is so much fun.
Honestly I hated Danny and Clara. I can't help but feel that they focused too much on Clara and Danny and less on 12 and Clara which is what I really wanted. imo Danny was an unwelcome distraction. With the introduction of 12 I also felt they missed an opportunity to focus on him in favor of Danny/Clara.
Great players all of them but they were given a crap story and script.
It figures given that the writers didn't seem to have any idea what to do with Capaldi's doctor.
I know this is late, but I just wanted to add my opinion. I didn’t mind the relationship, I found Danny a little annoying but that’s all. Also, am I the only one that thought Clara and Rigsy has so much more chemistry in the 2d episode?
Ugh, the Danny-Clara romance was so awkwardly shoehorned in and sat uncomfortably with me. There was little to no chemistry between them so when Danny made his sacrifice in the name of lurve it seemed empty as I wasn't convinced they were in love in the first place.
It all happened too quick but still somehow took a hole season. We once got them knowing each other then we instantly have them arguing about the fact that Clara travels with the Doctor and lies to Danny and then boom Danny dies and the end of the world is coming.. They had a story but they didn't know how to handle it. They wanted to show that Clara was happy by finding someone in the normal part of her life , classic thing the place they show us that the Doctor has no right , but Danny should be important or what's the point of having him. They kill him so Clara can be sad and cross the lines by throwing the Tardis keys in the volcano,he is 'important ' , and the try to find him so Missys plan can exist. I still can't understand if all this happened just to show us how important Danny is or to show us Missys plans or both. It would be more interesting if Danny was just a 'fan' a fellow teacher that was likening Clara warning her about the dangers of Doctors life because he was worrying and somehow he end involved and he saved them. It could be more dramatic like this but still the story wouldn't be that forced
Danny just didn’t work.
I’m happy to say it: Clara basically broke the boundaries of what we thought a companion could be, she was fundamentally different than the rest from the start, not the follower but she basically became the main character of the show and I LOVED IT. While some fans may see it as annoying because of their love for the doctor, I became a huge fan of this direction. To have such depth for her character was insane to me and it felt incredible, I could easily go one or two seasons with her being the main focus, as it felt well planned out from the start and her being teased so early on made it even better.
YES!! I SO AGREE WITH THIS!! One reason I love Clara so much is because she reminds me of season 1 Rose. Like how in the beginning of the show, it was kind of Rose’s story plus the Doctor, Clara is the same. There are even parallels between 9 and 12. It’s so refreshing after 6 seasons of the Doctor being the main character with the companions as tagalongs. And I get it, people like having the Doctor as the main character because, well it IS his show, but seeing him through a human perspective is what I love about seasons 1, 8-9. It’s like we are the companions being pushed into this strange new world, trying to balance everyday life with epic adventures. Something about it is way easier to get attached to because its more relatable
idk if that made any sense but I tried 😅
@Moana Subs Clara is not the doctor, but she wants to be one, that's the whole point of her story. Everybody know she's not the doctor, smartass. Besides, martha isn't that great she's like a shallow cardboard character.
she's pretty fit though
Loved Clara and 12 I don't like when the companions have a romantic link to the doctor I feel like it detracts from both characters
Agreed. I think the problem is the age/ experience difference between a 2000 yr old Time Lord and an 18 yr old earthling. I've dated much older and younger a few times and after a while you get something like "what's a rotary phone?"
Companion: "So Andrea dared me so I actually did the Cinnamon challenge. So gross. So how was your day?"
Doctor: "I saved a planet from crashing into its Sun, then I played a game of chess with King Arthur, finally I beat the Daleks ... again oh one of them exploded and got over me, so gross. Then I had breakfast..."
Yup, that's why Donna was such a great companion 😄
I don't so much have an issue with the companion falling for the Doctor, because I think it is realistic that a number of them would. That being said, it also needs to be handled well. Martha's feelings for him and his moping over Rose was annoying, but when Martha walked away from the TARDIS, that redeemed her for me. Donna was such a breath of fresh air after all that. Amy was even OK for me as she wasn't "in love" with the Doctor but rather simply obsessed with him, for lack of a better term.
I don't mind the Doctor having love interests- Rose's felt honest, natural and took two seasons to fully develop. The other romances following felt like cheap responses to that. It is kind of ironic that Moffat low key "slut shames" 10 (Case in Point 50th anniversary) when his own 11 not only kisses all of his companions, gets married, but also has a near romantic-fling with his TARDIS. xD
I was glad that they finally got River Song right at the end, when she proclaims her love affair with the Doctor is one-sided and the Doctor realized he never let her know how he felt. I don't know if it was Capaldi or Moffat but that was the only episode I actually believed there was actually something there.
“Her mom died, so what?” Best out of context quote
man how I loved the character matt did!!! was amazing and Amy was great!!! Clara... not bad but just "meh"
same matt, amy and rory was my favorite era tbh I don't think anything will top it
true but season 10 go in second for me bill is super cool the combo with the two is just great
Donna Noble is, in my opinion, the best one of them all. I hated her at the beginning, but the character development was awesome, as well as the Doctor having a mature grown woman that wasn't fallng in love with him. Sad that she lasted only a season
Umm so it's all about David....lol but matt did a great job too .he a close 2ed .Amy had a good exit and dona was really spicy lol .I do like them all. The impossible girl was great too just i think it should have ended with that Clara was not fun enough to get 3 sorry
@@baas8888 yeah I love donna .its kinda weird to think cuz the doctor like his partners young ,submissive and hot .no offense to donna but she a grown ass woman lol doctor couldn't even handle her . I also loved her exit ,not as sad as Amy
Gonna be honest. I liked her a lot. Not my favorite, but I loved the whole capaldi run
Its an underrated run imo
I really like Clara actually she's one of my favorite companions.... when she's with 12. Yeah she's not the best when she's with 11 but I really love the relationship she had with 12.
I think Dr Who really missed out on an opportunity by not keeping the Clara Darlek - what really matters is what you are on the inside.
Clarlek.
Yeah but the Daleks would become a joke
Not just that... It would be a way to cheese the copyright
@@demonking86420 this man gets it
@@jimhalpert9816 They already are after how overused they are now.
Rose, Martha and Donna and Captain Jack were best companions in my opinion
Martha was alright imo
change Martha with Amy and we're good
Martha could have been better if they hadn't made her lovesick for the Doctor, especially after the whole Rose story.
tbh i liked martha,clara and amy
Donna was a B#tch I didn't like her
The measure of the performer can be attuned, how effectively she took over the show even as both Doctor’s Eleven and Twelve were brilliant in their own right; that is talent. In Flatline, she proved how a woman could portray the Doctor as effectively as a man. Something we would never have known since then if we had missed that particular episode.
Clara was the last companion that I’ve loved😭
The biggest problem with new who is how all the main companion is written, each one is given a purpose that affects a 2000 yr old alien in a way that no other companion has done up to their appearance.
Rose was the one the Doctor falls in love with. Let's go back to the 4th Doctor and Sarah Jane and their first story Robot, Sarah initially was reluctant to continue her travels and did not have a school girl infatuation with 4. Only after many adventures (and ditching the third wheel Harry) did a romantic chemistry form that their characters implied and us fans imagined. Compare that with Rose and the episode Rose where our companion drops her boyfriend to take up with a war damaged space man. Chemistry never had time to develop it had to be these 2 were in love so much that one day this Time Lord will get depressed the day he loses his "great" love.
Donna was the companion that would save all of time and space and have to sacrifice her memories of the Doctor.
Amy was the one the Doctor would mourn. Screw Katarina, Sara Kingdom, Adric and all those who perished helping the Doctor saving Planets. Amy's death of old age after living a happy life most of it with her husband by her side is so horrible that it puts 11 in such a funk only the impossible girl can save him.
Clara is the companion that the Doctor will break all laws of his people and take up arms and even "kill" a fellow Time Lord to keep alive. Take that Adric heck even the old ball and chain River does not rate these actions.
Bill is the one the Doctor can't keep safe. After such a backlash of not keeping Clara dead the next one needed to die but this too got screwed up. Bill was so good they couldn't kill her or keep her a Cyberman so in swoops Heather and saves the day.
What happened to companions being someone lucky enough to stumble into the TARDIS not that they also need to be the most something in the Doctor's life.
One of the interesting things about Moffat is that from an in universe prospective all his companions are dead Amy and Rory died of old age in New York as evidenced by there graves. Hell bent is quite clear that there’s no way to stop Clara’s death and she just has however long it takes her to get back to gallifrey while bill and nardole being part of testimony means they are dead given the rules established in the episode (the novel expands on there fates between the Doctor falls and twice upon a time)
janetracer so what about Martha then
I'm so embarrassed that I overlooked Martha but I suppose she should be used to it.
Martha is the companion who loves the Doctor but he doesn't return the sentiment. In fact as 10 mopes for Rose Martha stays in the friend zone all the while going above and beyond taking care of a Time Lord who can't cope. She has to take a degrading maid job and try to keep things together while the Doctor forgets who he is lives a good teachers life and flirts with still someone else. She gets stuck with him sans TARDIS in 1969 and again has to get a job to support them while 10 is out blowing up chickens. Finally while the old Doc is sitting in a birdcage Martha takes a short walk... AROUND THE WORLD. No wonder she couldn't wait to split.
Moffat's problem is that he falls in love with the characters he creates.
janetracer I have to admit, despite it all, Martha's still my favourite New Who companion (next to Donna).
I actually quite liked Clara. The fact that she kept turning up everywhere gave a sense of confusion or mystery. She also had a strong personality. I was so sad when it turned out she couldn’t be saved because she tried to save someone.
the problem with her character was she was to smug and arrogant. she had no respect for the doctor. she took over the show and really was just like Amy before her with the whole personalty. but even worse this time. plus how they rewrite who history with her always saving the doctor was bad. which means the doctor only survived not though his own skill but due to her interference. the inside the dalek episode where she slapped the doctor for thinking that a dalek was bad by default and only damaged daleks could be good. don't get me started how she convinced him to save galifrey or become the doctor as a child and not use weapons.
just remembered in her final episode she asked the doctor to just let her die and not destroy the universe over her. the truth is though the doctor would never sacrifice the whole universe and all the innocents in it over one human girl not matter if she is his best friend. especially when they themselves ask him to let them just die. the writing for the doctor character has been all over the place for the last few years. he even shot a fellow time lord for no real reason.
great actress though.
i agree moffat was just a terrible writer it's the only way to describe it back when RTD was writing it was one of the best shows on TV
HistoryFan476ad I never feel that Amy Pond take the series, at contrary she barely had impact in the seriew until Series 7. Not even see her cry for the lost of his baby.
i never said Amy pond took over the show i said Clara did. i did say that Clara has a lot of Amy's personalty in her though.
I think you have a fair, balanced opinion.
I vehemently hated how her copies saved the Doctor throughout his life. I feel like it undermines the Doctor's efforts, not to mention that no companion should have this much influence over the Doctor's past.
~ TDG
Her copies didn't 'save' him, they undid what the GI did, returning everything to the way it was before the GI got involved, i.e. the Doctor saves himself.
Who says no companion should have that much influence? Where is this written/stated in any official capacity? The show has always been about the Doctor AND the companion(s), they are just as important as each other.
How much you hate Donna then? Turn Left proved that without her he would be DEAD! And not from some outside influence like the GI but his OWN actions.
Rose got glowy eyes, mucked about with time, and, with a wave of her hand, destroyed the Daleks. Donna was told she was the most important person in the universe, got a Time Lord brain, tapped some keys... and destroyed the Daleks. Clara got inserted into the Doctor's timeline, but I really don't think her importance is any more forward than Rose's, and people still love her. Clara was inconsistently written, and not really given proper agency until The Day of the Doctor onwards, and also was written to be a bit unlikable at times in series 8. But rewatching the show, and knowing the bond Capaldi's Doctor demonstrably develops with her, I really grew to like her.
I took the whole copies-saving-the-Doctor thing as a fluffy and fun goof to celebrate the 50th. Stuff like this can be washed out of canon with the next space/time reset. Lather/rinse/repeat until years later when someone finds a way to make that shit awesome
I thought she was just chasing the Great Intelligence through time, stopping him from unfairly thwarting the Doctor whilst he was solving other problems. And not, for example, swooping in to stop the Toymaker or the Cybermen from "getting the Doctor."
My reaction to this title was: “WhAT? Clara was awesome!”
lol I know
It's weird Clara is actually my favourite companion followed by Rose, Donna, Amy and then Martha
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I love Snowmen. I was so mad when she died, and then I really felt that their chemistry wasn't as good come the regular season episodes. I wished they had stayed in the victorian era for a while and that she had stayed that version of Clara.
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Am I like the only one who likes Clara?
Karlo K no, she’s my favourite companion personally. But I can understand why some fans don’t like her.
I like her
Right? I feel like hate's harsh out of nowhere. The old ones are put on a pedastal
No, I was just thinking the same thing. I loved Clara.
You're one of very few
"It was equal parts fantastic, equal parts woeful". That sums up the moffat era. SO much shit during his rein. So much. But Moffat at his best is Dr Who at its best, simple as.
I agree, Donna was my favorite
I also think that Clara was at her best in Series 8
I had often wondered how she suddenly went from being a nanny to a teacher in a school when all that time she was traveling in the TARDIS.
I know I may be crucified for this, but Clara is one of my favorite companions and Rose was the worst. She just felt like the stereotypical bland love interest.
I think I went deaf from the censorship beep.
what? i can't hear you from the beeping
@@Fordring1776 very funny
welp. clara's era was my favorite behind the pond era (season 5 is literally the best you can't change my mind) so i guess this video ain't for me
It was a joke, Mark. It was a Christmas joke...
Moffat to Mark upon seeing her cameo in Twice Upon a Time
You thought Donna’s exit was well handled? With all due respect, I couldn’t disagree more. They undercut all of the emotional growth of the character.
That's kinda what was so tragic about it though. Companions don't always walk away better off than they were. That's why I was sad about her leaving. Clara though? COULD NOT HAVE CARED LESS. She had a good long stint with the doctor, it felt overdue.
That was the point of Donna's departure, she was a tragedy. She grew and grew and grew so far beyond what any companion before her did, and in order to save the universe and her family she had to let that all go. The most brutal sacrifice one can make, not the giving of one's life but who they became. It also capped off Tennant's theme of painful victory. Every time he won there was disastrous sacrifices that was made, often times without his consent.
The kid from the reintroduction of the Sontarans, the woman from the Water's of Mars, Davros, The Master, and so many others gave themselves either in reckless bravery or spite, in defiance of the control that 10 tried so hard to enforce. He wanted to save everyone, but he couldnt. They knew that, he couldn't accept that, and never let go. So he tried even harder the next time, again and again.
Then, his final day. He couldnt let Donna die because of him, not when he could do something. He couldn't take that kind of pain, even if the result he left her as was more painful to her family. So he saved her by taking away her growth, the thing she most treasured. Then he gave himself for her father, because he could do something. And it cost him his life.
10 was an era of mountain highs shattered by somber losses, hard choices, and his control slipping away at every turn. In his last moments he forced control in a way that none could refuse, and in the moment he tried to be the god he said he was his own hubris destroyed him. Donna's exit was masterful, and a perfect finale to Tennant's run. Clara gives me a headache.
@@clayxros576 wow your comment gave me the chills and reminded me of why I loved the Tennant/Donna era so much
That was the point. It's like how Danganronpa kills off their developed characters. It's more realistic that way. Good people who don't deserve to suffer end up suffering all the time and we hadn't seen that type of thing yet (which was sorta because that was how 10's arc was supposed to wrap up. it was planned from the beginning). Martha kinda walked out without and got to keep "all the emotional growth of the (her) character" Rose got pretty much what she wanted (to be with 10), and Donna's character development being coupled with her memory loss is beautifully tragic irony. Donna finally became everything she thought she wasn't on her final moments and then it's all taken away from her? someone had to lose something, because that's what doctor who is all about. 10's curse was watching horrible things happen to good people that didn't deserve it. remember what happened to his daughter? the mission on mars? Beautifully tragic.
Vincent Perretta tbh I agree w you. I understand tragic endings can be good, but they need to be satisfying at least for me to consider them well-handled, and Donna just felt like they sorta shoved her out. Plus, I didn't really like Donna as a companion anyway, but that's a very unpopular opinion lmao
My fundamental problem with Clara, even though I really did like her with 12, was that she was way too important. Like the Doctor goes all out for her all the time just cause she's clara. She's cool enough to be half of the hybrid?? She influenced the zygon Bonnie somehow?? She's always said to be more important than she actually is in the story
You know what? I'm going to go back and watch seasons 8 and 9 again.
I actually originally stopped watching Doctor Who in early Season 8, in part (but not completely) because of Clara. I found her to be... ridiculously smug and arrogant in a way that didn't feel at all justified (Side note - she was similarly arrogant in her Victorian era incarnation, but it was backed up with her actions in a way that I actually found it endearing. Modern Clara just didn't work). I really didn't like the Impossible Girl arc, and her attraction to the Doctor felt incredibly artificial.
Going into season 8, I guess I just completely failed to see the season and the Doctor-Clara relationship without the baggage of what I had already witnessed. Now that it's been some time... I'll give it another go.
(One more thing - I tuned in again for "Face the Raven" to see Clara off in a... an embarrassingly juvenile and vindictive sense of "good riddance". And was actually really pleasantly surprised to see the character get such a good send off. I actually found myself liking Clara that episode, and being sad for her death... and for the love of all that is good in Sci-Fi geekdom we will pretend that's where her arc officially finished).
I look forward to your review of those series .....
I never knew how to put into words why I didn't but also did like her. Thank you so much for this, its my new go to explanation. I love Clara in 12 era but hated her beforehand, you've even explained it to me why I didn't like her.
I think a big problem with Clara is that they didn't develop the impossible girl story very well. Many other companions have a sort of sci-fi arc to them, like Doctor-Donna, the crack in Amy's wall, Rose and Bad Wolf, etc. Clara has this multiple instance thing, Victorian Clara and Dalek Clara, are forgotten after a couple episodes. It seems like that part of the series was the show being to lazy to hire actors, not an overarching story many other companions have.
I actually loved Clara, she was my favorite companion and i was sooo sad when she died.
She wasn't bad, but I definitely felt like she over stayed her welcome in the end.
7:34 At this point, I started to realise that the Impossible Girl Arc was exactly like the Timeless Children Arc; she doesn't remember any of her copies, it doesn't make sense at all, etc.
Love you Grumpy Old Space Dad
I stopped watching DW after The name of the doctor because it upset me. She jumped into the doctors time stream and "oh I saved your life every time" I was so bad
s7 in general was a low point. i stopped watching dw around s6/s7
@@mimiHTcat i don't understand dropping a show because of one bad season. a show that lasts as long as doctor who has is bound to have a bad season sooner or later. you just gotta stick with it. if i hadn't i wouldn't have seen anything of my favourite doctor. capaldi.
Shame, because it got better right after Name of the Doctor
She was really a let down
After building up so much with river song when amy and Rory were finally gone I hoped to see an entire season of the doctor and river
Instead we got Clara.......
Wrong time wrong place, still found her cute
I don't understand why some don't like Clara. She makes my souffle rise every time.
NGC6144 yeah Jenna Coleman is hot and a good actor but Moffat wrote her horribly.
yeah, right. everything a good character has to have is good looks... *sigh
*Clara should have stayed Victorian... end of.*
I can pinpoint what I hated about her and when I started hating her. In Victorian England, after she had climbed a magic staircase into a cloud with a box on it, didnt flinch seeing a Lizard person, theres evil snowmen surrounding the house and the ice zombie of the former house keeper is chasing her up the stairs and yet " Oh, I know what your plan is. I knew straight away. If we'd been escaping, we'd be climbing down the building. If we'd been hiding, we'd be on the other side of the roof. But no, we're standing right here -uses umbrella to pull down the cloud staircase - After you, I'm wearing a dress. Eyes front, soldier! And I understand you're the previous governess. I regret to inform you the position is taken. Goodnight."
.... W H A T? No, seriously, _what?_ Does she experience fear? At all? Theres a _ice person_ trying to _murder you,_ why are you jovially quipping? Eyes front soldier? i regret to inform you the positions taken? Clara, your in f*cking danger, do you not get that?
Shes just...no fear, no panic, no hesitation, making jolly quips at the ice zombie and babbling out deductions like a Manic Pixie Dream Sherlock. Shes probably never even seen a f*cking car, but sure shes in a TIME MACHINE and deducing "You're nearly a foot taller than I am. You could've reached the ladder without this. You took it for me. Why?" are you kidding me?
At this point, I'm fed up with the compaions being 'special' and saving the universe on their own. I want classic companions who are just ordinary people who are fill ins for the audence. They ask the questions we're asking so we can follow the story, we relate to them because they're just people.
Yeah, by the end they're better people than they were before and they stay behind on some alien planet (or whatever) to help them or they go home and take what they learned to help people where they're from.
Enough with the Bad Wolves and the Impossible Girls already and enough with the season long arcs that go nowhere.
I really think the people working on the show now should be made to sit down and watch the old series and see what made that great.
Yeah is so weird. In classic who companions were just picked randomly and left randomly. This wasn't feeling weird at all. And going with Doctor in calssics was DANGEROUS (the dalek's masterplan for example). In new Who we have some of "death" for nearly all companions (only no this black student of medicine, but i disslike her as companion so much and later in UNIT was much better). Why is this guys?
Well, I've heard them say they shifted the focus of the show from the Doctor himself to the companions because we just know the Doctor so well there's no mystery anymore and having companions come along who have some sort of mystery hanging over their heads is supposed to make the show more interesting. My point about that is the show is called Doctor Who, not Random Companion so it's not such a great way to create mystery.
As for the whole lack of risk and no death thing, I can only speak for Moffett's run when he said, in an interview, that he didn't think Companions should ever die. He even said, if he had been in charge of the show, during the classic run, he would've undone Adric's death. Its a really terrible and puzzling stance to take, honestly.
Well this sounds illogical. Doctor's character changes after every regeneration (most obvious seen after first regeneration), so we are just to watch his tryes to repair the universe (thank you Tardis). Why we should care about companions? Is so stupid. Companions should represents us - fans, so rotation is best way to acomplish it... Doctor is "semi-god" (Pandorica, besige of christmas city on Transalor), so why i would want to watch companions more?
You are right - if they choose this way then they should rename it to "Companions of Doctor"
Well, I'm not wild about the Doctor as a god either. I like, in the old series, where he just traveled around fixing things. People rarely, if ever, knew his name and certaintly most people weren't afraid of him.
I also will never understand Moffitt, its fine if he doesn't want to kill of Compainions but IF that's going to be your rule then don't kill them off just to bringthem back in another episode for no reason. A prime example of this was Bill Potts. She was turned into a Cyberman, then gave up her life to stop the other Cybermen and went out a hero and it was great, then her watery girlfriend shows up, saves her life and she's in the Christman episode for not reason whatsoever.
Did you miss Bill? She was ordinary
The ‘second’ Clara just makes me wanna have a companion not from the present day
Clara was Stevens 'Perfect Companion'. No flaws. No humanity. Nothing. She was written more alien than the doctor. Quirky yet not in a way that affects plot or story. Instantly forced into the doctors' life by the faulty story arc. Never making mistakes. Never challenging or correcting the doctors' morality (For the first season). Amy Pond said, "See, this is what happens when you travel around for too long," when the doctor made a decision to trade a person's life for the safety of the town. Companions are a form of grounding for the doctor. Putting the doctor in their place and making sure they don't become all "Time Lord Victorious" like with The Tenths last days. Clara just didn't. She was so "perfect" that she had nothing to offer for most of her time on the show.
I loved Clara. She's one of my favorites. Almost as sharp and clever as the doctor. The writers messed her up in the last season. It's like they hadn't watched the earlier episodes. I found myself saying, Clara would never do that! I blame the writers for not writing her consistently.
You have no idea how much I needed this video. I never cared about Clara or found her character real or relatable in series 7 and I never really knew why. By series 9 it’s like she’s a whole different character and you can’t quite believe that series 7 Clara ever happened
Completely! When people mention Clara I never think about S7 Clara...
i think they should've kept to having victorian clara become the full-time companion. that introduction was a lot more fleshed out than the bells of st john. and tbh i quite like the idea of clara going off in a tardis of her own, even though i don't like the way it was executed. i don't like the idea that a companion should be punished for becoming doctor-like. imo it's kind of like taking the doctor too seriously and making him TOO larger-than-life. at the end of the day he really is just some guy with a spaceship. i like the idea that sometimes a companion becomes a lot like him. i do wish they had either stuck with the death ending or executed it differently because i think hell bent really fucks with the emotional core of face the raven and heaven sent, but in principle i don't hate the idea of clara going off in her own tardis
13:40 no, Clara needed to bond with Eleven first, otherwise she would have had no reason to stay with Twelve given how much time they spent at each other's throat
I think they had a clear bond and love for each other, you only need to look at episodes like Mummy on the Orient Express for that
Yes but that's because they already knew and liked each other from s7. It made it easier for Clara to put up with him, knowing there was a heart of gold behind those angry eyebrows. But in Deep Breath, they just kept insulting each other, that's not a way to become time-traveling buddies
Though, Clara is the type to LOVE those who challenge her and those she fights with - She fights with Danny often and she loved him. So for her type, the arguing would actually be a plus.
I'm one of those, I know falling for someone who annoys you and you disagree with is NOT the best to be with but... I married him anyways.
Being the control freak that she is, I'm not sure she particularly enjoyed having someone challenge her authority, but it certainly made for a more interesting dynamic. She and Danny had a rough start, but Clara was still the dominant in their relationship.
Anyway I'm not denying the depth of her friendship with Twelve. All I'm saying is that it was necessary for her to travel with Matt Smith's Doctor before he turned into Capaldi. She was ready to leave him at the end of Deep Breath and it took Eleven's phone call to persuade her to stay.