Wrapped or twisted
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Does twisting aluminium wire damage it and reduces it's live or performance?
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Real test between wires to know bending durability.
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Im 43 years old and started to do stop motion animation as a serious hobby. Your videos are very informational. Thanks alot?
Thank you Edu, I’m gonna make my first armature soon so this is very useful
EXACTLY the video I was looking for! So niche and so scientific. I love it!
Thanks Edu!
Thanks for doing these tests, I guess I've been over twisting my wires this whole time!
I love stop motion and I am an animation student in the 3rd year. You have helped me with a lot of confusions I have had. Thank You so much. I am still making my puppets for my short film.
Jumping back into stop motion after too long of a hiatus, thanks for having videos like this to help me back in the groove.
Thanks for the through analysis of twisting the wire! I always wondered this...
Now I can make armatures that will last a little bit longer before they break!😀👍
ty for the tip, didnt even think , turning twisting wires could last or not last if twist too much or not enough.
This is a great experiment thank you for posting it and showing us the results
Nice video Eduard! I personally twist my wire just because its more convenient for me.
Same then!
perfect timing. I'd recently made two different puppets. The first one with twisted wires and the 2nd one with untwusted and wrapped with thread. Now I feel better returning to the twisted on my next one. Cheers and always look FWD to your videos. - Kathleen
Both methods work if you work carefully with the material
Your technique is similar to what I saw at a wire harness manufacturer years ago. To make a "twisted pair" they would clamp one end in a bench vise and the other in a drill motor. Except these were electrical wires for trucks and were 25-30 feet long. They also tested for the optimum twist to keep the pair together and not break with the harsh conditions under the hood of a long haul truck.
I didn't know about that drill trick until now. Very cool.
this test is good
I love the twist method, the thing is you have to cut you wire precisely as long.
Thanku ☺️
Nice test👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Your creativity and passion is very inspirational. Keep doing what you're doing! You are amazing!
Nice... I never knew that I will need this kind of information for my stop motion armatures! 😀
I've been twisting wire since I started stop motion, it works fine for me, just twisting a few times. Wrapping it with thread is so slow...
I want to buy the 15 cm wire but I'm not sure which is which do you know which one it is ?
After the first video I really wanted to see a video comparison on wrapped Vs turned .... Really helpful ! Thanks 😄
Great video like always we all love you!! Keep these great videos coming!!
So cool
THIS...IS...BRILLIANT! Thank you so much for making this video buddy ad thank you for FINALLY putting to rest the twist vs wrap method argument!
I think maybe wire building delivers different spots on the wire and you can get a good piece or a great piece. Luck must affect
Zero dislikes thats good . A Like from me.
thanks, jaja
One armature maker told me to anneal my wire armature maker after twisting by putting into a cold oven and heating for 30 minutes at 220c then switch off heat but allow it to cool slowly in the oven. With metal working after hammering or stressing metal through bending they reheat it to take the stress out of the metal to make it pliable and soft to carry on working it so it doesn't fracture. It sort of realigns the molecules.
Did you try it? Did you find it to make a difference?
Yeah it seem to last better especially for twisted fingers that take a lot of abuse. I didn't test it as well or scientifically as your setup though. I like thicker gauge single core wire for the legs as twisted seemed a little springy. But annealing seemed to help reduce the springiness in the twisted wire. It would be nice to test in your setup and maybe get some more precise advice from metallurgist on annealing aluminium.
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Aluminium is annealed by heating and quenching. Copper is also annealed the same way. It is steel that needs to be cooled slowly to anneal it.
Edit: I should add that the reason the aluminium wire breaks is due to work hardening. While not technically possible on a finished puppet, you could in theory extend the life of an armature by re-annealing it after a certain amount of work.
Thanks that is good to know much quicker quenching. Ah work hardening that is it, I have heard it but forgot. Does my stated temperature for aluminium annealing sound about right ? Thanks for your clarification and advice 🙏
@@Wheel333 I had to look this up as its been over 10 years since I was told how to anneal aluminium.
You may find the following article helpful: process.arts.ac.uk/content/annealing-softening-aluminium-plate/index.html
I was taught one could put soot from an acetylene flame over the aluminium and then heat it until the carbon is burnt off. Then it's at the right temperature to quench in water. But according to the article, this induces brittleness (it seems apparent that this is true of machining grades). I must admit, there wasn't a whole lot of coverage of the subject of annealing aluminium (at least that I can remember). There seemed to be more focus on the different grain structures of steel.
Please take my advice with a grain of salt as I can only share what I remember. 😕
Another amazing video! I can’t get enough 😆 Congratulations to the give away winners too!
Awesome!
Que fuerte!! No me esperaba ese resultado, la verdad es que yo esperaba que el twisted con mas vueltas aguantara más, pero tiene sentido que tanta tensión lo haga más quebradizo. La verdad es que nunca he visto en la industria a nadie que envolviera el alambre, pero ha aguantado bastante, con que lo has enrollado? Hilo?
I was originally taught to twist, but when I went into my internship, I learned to wrap. I’ve been wrapping since then, but I may just switch back and forth from now on depending on how much time I have!
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That's a good question
muy interesante!! estas investigaciones están de lujo! gracias!!
Awesome!!! I relly love this tests!!!!
Hey Edu, have you ever wrapped braided armature wire with teflon tape (plumber's tape)? I've been doing this recently and it feels like it increases durability and also reduces bounce-back in animation. If you have time, I was wondering if you would try it and maybe even test it on your wire testing device!
I use that tape to cover and protect ball and socket inside puppets
Como siempre muy buen video Edu!! Me ha gustado mucho la comparativa sobre trenzados y la forma que has elegido para mostrar los resultados del test. Gran edición. :) Gracias!!
So useful. Love the testing machine you build as well.
Очень полезный эксперимент. Могли бы делать русские субтитры в видео?
More knowledge please!
excellent video!! yet another super instructive video....your videos take away all tabu things from stopmo haha!!!
Love you bro...
Thanks sir..
What an unexpected result with wrapped wire! But I prefer twisted, it's more practical
Omg thank you! I'm about to start my test armature n all in March this year and this was so useful to know! I've been trying to find any tips I can to start this cause I do plan on making a series and need all the tricks I can find. But I thought to ask seeing that you know this field well- do you know how to animate small glass shards in mid air, dirt or water particles? I also need to find ways to animate the elements in stop motion- but it would be quite helpful to have any tips on that, I can barely find anything on it
Mira, sigo sin entender porque tienes tan pocos seguidores, te hablo en español porque se que hablas los dos idiomas porque te sigo desde hace tiempo, tu trabajo es limpio y bueno, me has inspirado para animar y se nota que no lo haces por dinero si no por gusto... en fin, sigue así 👍👍👍
Muchas gracias, un abrazo
No, a ti
Thanks for that test, I've been looking forward for it !! Maybe if the twisted wire is annealed after twisting, it could last longer - calls for another test 😆 I tried to reduce your 1.6mm with a drawplate to obtain a 1.4 and that calls for a lot of re-glowing. I don't know where you get your wires from but it could be very nice with a 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5mm option. I find the difference between the 1.25 and 1.6 very big.
Es lo mismo alambre de fardo que el de aluminio? cual es mejor para stop motion? en argentina se consigue mas el de fardo, pero hay casas espcializadas de aluminio pero se me hace que podria durar menos...
What about wrapping with very thin wire ( like the kind used in electric motor windings ) .? I just was wondering if it would be stronger than the thread wrap.
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I recall reading a few years ago about twisting aluminium wire with copper wire. My vague memory tells me that this extends the life of the part. There was a downside to it. It may have been a stiffer part or maybe a memory effect.
Hi Edu Puertas :)
Ive made a comment on one of your older videos where you build a stop motion table, but havnt got respond. So i thought ill try on your newest video. I just wanted to know what dimensions of the table is?
Hi, sorry, that table is around 60x80 cms but you can make what you need
@@edupuertasfruns thx ;)
Did you make the test machine too?
Yes, it was the funniest part
Que buen estudio! Entonces el que mas aguanto fue el enrrollado , pero poco enrollado ?
Por algún motivo que desconozco el que tenía 5 vueltas duró más que el del hilo. Repetí dos veces esos dos porque me extrañó... Puede ser que al estar ligeramente trenzados giren en el radio de doblez de forma más uniforme o algo. No es concluyente pero me parece interesante el dato
Wey yo sigo aqui por Un poco de todo
Cool
Hello Edu, I have a question. I take pictures for my stop motion video. I use a long shutter speed (1 / 4-1 / 10) but at the same time I have an unstable brightness. Several frames in a row can be normal brightness, then there can be several more bright frames, or darker ones. Tell me how to avoid this? My olympus om-e e-m5 mark ii camera, Panasonic 45-175mm f / 4.0-5.6 lens. I work with dragonframe4
Could be the light, the lens, the camera or the electricity flow. From the distance is complicated to say
@@edupuertasfruns Did you have a similar problem before? What caused this and how did you solve this problem?
Can you make lion armature
Dosen't the 5 turns break at 47?
I guess they never miss huh
Muy bien, sí señor. A esto se le llama método científico. 👍
Ahora bien. ¿ Crees que aguanta más 6 x 1 mm que 2 x 3 mm ? Pues si no me equivoco usaste 3 mm para piernas y tronco. Al trenzarlo doble se convierte en 6mm. Por otro lado, decir que los cables de las poleas tienen múltiples cables finos trenzados; claro está que son de acero, están diseñados para aguantar el estiramiento, y, no tienen memoria de posición.
Por último decir también, que lo mejorcito son tus esqueletos. Ya he visto un tutorial anglosajón, en donde hablan de lo más básico hasta el tope. Dónde están tú creaciones.
No sé si llegarás a hacerlo. De todas formas MUCHAS GRACIAS por compartir tus experiencias . Hay otros que también venden, a un precio similar e incluso más caro. Pero no comparten conocimiento ni hacen mérito como tú.
Un saludo.
Hola, para las piernas uso dos alambres de 1.6mm
@@edupuertasfruns ok
thank god we are saved!
You know, puppets aren't safe till the shortfilm finishes. Hundred million catastrophic things could happen
@@edupuertasfruns i am scared now. lets make the indestructible wire armature. :P
İ do both at the same time lol
No, I am not use Armature, because too complicated :D :D
and not have lot of money :D
Wire is cheap
First
No me gane nada pero no importa, a haorrar se a dicho para un rig :/ :3