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  • Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
  • Does twisting aluminium wire damage it and reduces it's live or performance?
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Комментарии • 90

  • @charlemagnesantos61
    @charlemagnesantos61 3 года назад +4

    Im 43 years old and started to do stop motion animation as a serious hobby. Your videos are very informational. Thanks alot?

  • @Marc474R
    @Marc474R 5 лет назад +13

    Thank you Edu, I’m gonna make my first armature soon so this is very useful

  • @rioforce
    @rioforce 2 месяца назад +1

    EXACTLY the video I was looking for! So niche and so scientific. I love it!

  • @LandvaettrsLair
    @LandvaettrsLair 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks Edu!

  • @breadbotnik
    @breadbotnik 5 лет назад +3

    Thanks for doing these tests, I guess I've been over twisting my wires this whole time!

  • @williamstopmotion
    @williamstopmotion 5 лет назад +3

    I love stop motion and I am an animation student in the 3rd year. You have helped me with a lot of confusions I have had. Thank You so much. I am still making my puppets for my short film.

  • @BlueEXEVideos
    @BlueEXEVideos 4 года назад +1

    Jumping back into stop motion after too long of a hiatus, thanks for having videos like this to help me back in the groove.

  • @RICOFRITO
    @RICOFRITO 5 лет назад +8

    Thanks for the through analysis of twisting the wire! I always wondered this...
    Now I can make armatures that will last a little bit longer before they break!😀👍

  • @ThisOLmaan
    @ThisOLmaan 4 года назад

    ty for the tip, didnt even think , turning twisting wires could last or not last if twist too much or not enough.

  • @soldfuture_
    @soldfuture_ 5 лет назад +2

    This is a great experiment thank you for posting it and showing us the results

  • @matshiob
    @matshiob 5 лет назад +4

    Nice video Eduard! I personally twist my wire just because its more convenient for me.

  • @judgeworks3687
    @judgeworks3687 5 лет назад +2

    perfect timing. I'd recently made two different puppets. The first one with twisted wires and the 2nd one with untwusted and wrapped with thread. Now I feel better returning to the twisted on my next one. Cheers and always look FWD to your videos. - Kathleen

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад +1

      Both methods work if you work carefully with the material

  • @davidcooley4848
    @davidcooley4848 5 лет назад +3

    Your technique is similar to what I saw at a wire harness manufacturer years ago. To make a "twisted pair" they would clamp one end in a bench vise and the other in a drill motor. Except these were electrical wires for trucks and were 25-30 feet long. They also tested for the optimum twist to keep the pair together and not break with the harsh conditions under the hood of a long haul truck.

  • @kurtdewittphoto
    @kurtdewittphoto 3 года назад +1

    I didn't know about that drill trick until now. Very cool.

  • @kkjarvis8964
    @kkjarvis8964 5 лет назад +1

    this test is good

  • @whalefilms8755
    @whalefilms8755 5 лет назад +4

    I love the twist method, the thing is you have to cut you wire precisely as long.

  • @thekitchenjungle9000
    @thekitchenjungle9000 5 лет назад +1

    Thanku ☺️

  • @Elpuerko-lt7to
    @Elpuerko-lt7to Год назад +1

    Nice test👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • @neruteru
    @neruteru 5 лет назад +2

    Your creativity and passion is very inspirational. Keep doing what you're doing! You are amazing!

  • @PERCYBIBOL10
    @PERCYBIBOL10 5 лет назад +3

    Nice... I never knew that I will need this kind of information for my stop motion armatures! 😀

  • @edupuertasfruns
    @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад +5

    I've been twisting wire since I started stop motion, it works fine for me, just twisting a few times. Wrapping it with thread is so slow...

    • @l_1327
      @l_1327 4 года назад

      I want to buy the 15 cm wire but I'm not sure which is which do you know which one it is ?

  • @papajones3937
    @papajones3937 5 лет назад +1

    After the first video I really wanted to see a video comparison on wrapped Vs turned .... Really helpful ! Thanks 😄

  • @ryandalm
    @ryandalm 5 лет назад +2

    Great video like always we all love you!! Keep these great videos coming!!

  • @IngimundurAO
    @IngimundurAO 5 лет назад +1

    So cool

  • @MLTharme
    @MLTharme 5 лет назад +1

    THIS...IS...BRILLIANT! Thank you so much for making this video buddy ad thank you for FINALLY putting to rest the twist vs wrap method argument!

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад

      I think maybe wire building delivers different spots on the wire and you can get a good piece or a great piece. Luck must affect

  • @DarwinOrange.
    @DarwinOrange. 5 лет назад +1

    Zero dislikes thats good . A Like from me.

  • @Wheel333
    @Wheel333 5 лет назад +1

    One armature maker told me to anneal my wire armature maker after twisting by putting into a cold oven and heating for 30 minutes at 220c then switch off heat but allow it to cool slowly in the oven. With metal working after hammering or stressing metal through bending they reheat it to take the stress out of the metal to make it pliable and soft to carry on working it so it doesn't fracture. It sort of realigns the molecules.

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад +1

      Did you try it? Did you find it to make a difference?

    • @Wheel333
      @Wheel333 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah it seem to last better especially for twisted fingers that take a lot of abuse. I didn't test it as well or scientifically as your setup though. I like thicker gauge single core wire for the legs as twisted seemed a little springy. But annealing seemed to help reduce the springiness in the twisted wire. It would be nice to test in your setup and maybe get some more precise advice from metallurgist on annealing aluminium.

    • @michaelg_839
      @michaelg_839 5 лет назад +2

      Boilermaker here...
      Aluminium is annealed by heating and quenching. Copper is also annealed the same way. It is steel that needs to be cooled slowly to anneal it.
      Edit: I should add that the reason the aluminium wire breaks is due to work hardening. While not technically possible on a finished puppet, you could in theory extend the life of an armature by re-annealing it after a certain amount of work.

    • @Wheel333
      @Wheel333 5 лет назад +2

      Thanks that is good to know much quicker quenching. Ah work hardening that is it, I have heard it but forgot. Does my stated temperature for aluminium annealing sound about right ? Thanks for your clarification and advice 🙏

    • @michaelg_839
      @michaelg_839 5 лет назад +1

      @@Wheel333 I had to look this up as its been over 10 years since I was told how to anneal aluminium.
      You may find the following article helpful: process.arts.ac.uk/content/annealing-softening-aluminium-plate/index.html
      I was taught one could put soot from an acetylene flame over the aluminium and then heat it until the carbon is burnt off. Then it's at the right temperature to quench in water. But according to the article, this induces brittleness (it seems apparent that this is true of machining grades). I must admit, there wasn't a whole lot of coverage of the subject of annealing aluminium (at least that I can remember). There seemed to be more focus on the different grain structures of steel.
      Please take my advice with a grain of salt as I can only share what I remember. 😕

  • @MK_2023.
    @MK_2023. 5 лет назад +1

    Another amazing video! I can’t get enough 😆 Congratulations to the give away winners too!

  • @chorizobrain
    @chorizobrain 5 лет назад +1

    Awesome!

  • @animantas6219
    @animantas6219 5 лет назад

    Que fuerte!! No me esperaba ese resultado, la verdad es que yo esperaba que el twisted con mas vueltas aguantara más, pero tiene sentido que tanta tensión lo haga más quebradizo. La verdad es que nunca he visto en la industria a nadie que envolviera el alambre, pero ha aguantado bastante, con que lo has enrollado? Hilo?

  • @hushyfoxx
    @hushyfoxx 5 лет назад +1

    I was originally taught to twist, but when I went into my internship, I learned to wrap. I’ve been wrapping since then, but I may just switch back and forth from now on depending on how much time I have!

  • @meikastudios
    @meikastudios 5 лет назад +2

    That's a good question

  • @muskku
    @muskku 5 лет назад +1

    muy interesante!! estas investigaciones están de lujo! gracias!!

  • @sotomonte_
    @sotomonte_ 5 лет назад +1

    Awesome!!! I relly love this tests!!!!

  • @Adam-Loomis
    @Adam-Loomis 5 лет назад +1

    Hey Edu, have you ever wrapped braided armature wire with teflon tape (plumber's tape)? I've been doing this recently and it feels like it increases durability and also reduces bounce-back in animation. If you have time, I was wondering if you would try it and maybe even test it on your wire testing device!

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад

      I use that tape to cover and protect ball and socket inside puppets

  • @adrianpiquerassanchez4843
    @adrianpiquerassanchez4843 5 лет назад +1

    Como siempre muy buen video Edu!! Me ha gustado mucho la comparativa sobre trenzados y la forma que has elegido para mostrar los resultados del test. Gran edición. :) Gracias!!

  • @iamivar
    @iamivar 5 лет назад

    So useful. Love the testing machine you build as well.

  • @КтояТакой-л9х
    @КтояТакой-л9х 3 года назад

    Очень полезный эксперимент. Могли бы делать русские субтитры в видео?

  • @HappyGobo
    @HappyGobo 4 года назад +1

    More knowledge please!

  • @DanMetalMadCat
    @DanMetalMadCat 5 лет назад +1

    excellent video!! yet another super instructive video....your videos take away all tabu things from stopmo haha!!!

  • @ahmadbidmeshki
    @ahmadbidmeshki 4 года назад +1

    Love you bro...

  • @NiqoF.Habibulloh
    @NiqoF.Habibulloh 4 года назад +1

    Thanks sir..

  • @andrew_0053
    @andrew_0053 5 лет назад +1

    What an unexpected result with wrapped wire! But I prefer twisted, it's more practical

  • @toxictoxicities
    @toxictoxicities 3 года назад +1

    Omg thank you! I'm about to start my test armature n all in March this year and this was so useful to know! I've been trying to find any tips I can to start this cause I do plan on making a series and need all the tricks I can find. But I thought to ask seeing that you know this field well- do you know how to animate small glass shards in mid air, dirt or water particles? I also need to find ways to animate the elements in stop motion- but it would be quite helpful to have any tips on that, I can barely find anything on it

  • @leash_0943
    @leash_0943 5 лет назад

    Mira, sigo sin entender porque tienes tan pocos seguidores, te hablo en español porque se que hablas los dos idiomas porque te sigo desde hace tiempo, tu trabajo es limpio y bueno, me has inspirado para animar y se nota que no lo haces por dinero si no por gusto... en fin, sigue así 👍👍👍

  • @hestedroschen
    @hestedroschen 3 года назад

    Thanks for that test, I've been looking forward for it !! Maybe if the twisted wire is annealed after twisting, it could last longer - calls for another test 😆 I tried to reduce your 1.6mm with a drawplate to obtain a 1.4 and that calls for a lot of re-glowing. I don't know where you get your wires from but it could be very nice with a 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5mm option. I find the difference between the 1.25 and 1.6 very big.

  • @DavoXDesign
    @DavoXDesign 5 месяцев назад

    Es lo mismo alambre de fardo que el de aluminio? cual es mejor para stop motion? en argentina se consigue mas el de fardo, pero hay casas espcializadas de aluminio pero se me hace que podria durar menos...

  • @jenky1044
    @jenky1044 5 лет назад +1

    What about wrapping with very thin wire ( like the kind used in electric motor windings ) .? I just was wondering if it would be stronger than the thread wrap.

  • @yami7192
    @yami7192 5 лет назад

    Niesiquiera empezó el vídeo y di Like :3

  • @michaelg_839
    @michaelg_839 5 лет назад +1

    I recall reading a few years ago about twisting aluminium wire with copper wire. My vague memory tells me that this extends the life of the part. There was a downside to it. It may have been a stiffer part or maybe a memory effect.

  • @snorlaksen
    @snorlaksen 5 лет назад +1

    Hi Edu Puertas :)
    Ive made a comment on one of your older videos where you build a stop motion table, but havnt got respond. So i thought ill try on your newest video. I just wanted to know what dimensions of the table is?

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад

      Hi, sorry, that table is around 60x80 cms but you can make what you need

    • @snorlaksen
      @snorlaksen 5 лет назад

      @@edupuertasfruns thx ;)

  • @Hellhamster
    @Hellhamster 3 года назад +1

    Did you make the test machine too?

  • @Plastianimation
    @Plastianimation 5 лет назад

    Que buen estudio! Entonces el que mas aguanto fue el enrrollado , pero poco enrollado ?

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад

      Por algún motivo que desconozco el que tenía 5 vueltas duró más que el del hilo. Repetí dos veces esos dos porque me extrañó... Puede ser que al estar ligeramente trenzados giren en el radio de doblez de forma más uniforme o algo. No es concluyente pero me parece interesante el dato

  • @gaelrojass
    @gaelrojass 5 лет назад +1

    Wey yo sigo aqui por Un poco de todo

  • @jameshoward1842
    @jameshoward1842 5 лет назад +1

    Cool

  • @ild136
    @ild136 5 лет назад +1

    Hello Edu, I have a question. I take pictures for my stop motion video. I use a long shutter speed (1 / 4-1 / 10) but at the same time I have an unstable brightness. Several frames in a row can be normal brightness, then there can be several more bright frames, or darker ones. Tell me how to avoid this? My olympus om-e e-m5 mark ii camera, Panasonic 45-175mm f / 4.0-5.6 lens. I work with dragonframe4

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад

      Could be the light, the lens, the camera or the electricity flow. From the distance is complicated to say

    • @ild136
      @ild136 5 лет назад

      @@edupuertasfruns Did you have a similar problem before? What caused this and how did you solve this problem?

  • @francisshetty3189
    @francisshetty3189 5 лет назад

    Can you make lion armature

  • @NERV0USMONKEYS
    @NERV0USMONKEYS 4 года назад

    Dosen't the 5 turns break at 47?

  • @wolff2935
    @wolff2935 5 лет назад

    I guess they never miss huh

  • @paamboli4616
    @paamboli4616 5 лет назад

    Muy bien, sí señor. A esto se le llama método científico. 👍
    Ahora bien. ¿ Crees que aguanta más 6 x 1 mm que 2 x 3 mm ? Pues si no me equivoco usaste 3 mm para piernas y tronco. Al trenzarlo doble se convierte en 6mm. Por otro lado, decir que los cables de las poleas tienen múltiples cables finos trenzados; claro está que son de acero, están diseñados para aguantar el estiramiento, y, no tienen memoria de posición.
    Por último decir también, que lo mejorcito son tus esqueletos. Ya he visto un tutorial anglosajón, en donde hablan de lo más básico hasta el tope. Dónde están tú creaciones.
    No sé si llegarás a hacerlo. De todas formas MUCHAS GRACIAS por compartir tus experiencias . Hay otros que también venden, a un precio similar e incluso más caro. Pero no comparten conocimiento ni hacen mérito como tú.
    Un saludo.

  • @keshavabrol20
    @keshavabrol20 5 лет назад +1

    thank god we are saved!

    • @edupuertasfruns
      @edupuertasfruns  5 лет назад

      You know, puppets aren't safe till the shortfilm finishes. Hundred million catastrophic things could happen

    • @keshavabrol20
      @keshavabrol20 5 лет назад

      @@edupuertasfruns i am scared now. lets make the indestructible wire armature. :P

  • @miran8978
    @miran8978 3 года назад +1

    İ do both at the same time lol

  • @husinz-animation
    @husinz-animation 5 лет назад +1

    No, I am not use Armature, because too complicated :D :D
    and not have lot of money :D

  • @MrGold-wg1jf
    @MrGold-wg1jf 5 лет назад +2

    First

  • @yami7192
    @yami7192 5 лет назад

    No me gane nada pero no importa, a haorrar se a dicho para un rig :/ :3