BOSS RC-500 Loop Station - Chorus / Verse - Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Get your LoopStation here: redir.love/thocf/4jzg2rsxjg - Affiliated link from Thomann This video is all about the previous video, Using the Boss RC-500 Loop Station in Single mode but taking it a stage further and utilising the memories option.
We breakdown the three key elements of the pedals, the functions and the memories themselves.
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get outta my brain, bro
Haha 😂
Awesome video and great assignment of pedal commands - thanks for explaining
No worries!
Here’s the RC-5/500 playlist for you to get into. Enjoy. ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
Very informative, excellent video JohnPaul, thank you! I just purchased an RC-500 after quickly outgrowing my RC-5. This thing is a powerhouse and I'm finding that there are many more features here than I realized.
It certainly is!
Have a look at my website and I have a downloadable PDF file for you to keep for free all about pro looping tips. Just go to www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk and scroll down to the bottom and it’s there. Enjoy the 500. It’s a monster. 👍🏻
Truly amazing - very coherent and paced quite well. Thank you!
Thanks for watching. If you like what you see, please subscribe, Cheers JP
This is incredible. Thank you for helping me figure out my new pedal!!!
More than welcome. Here is the playlist of every video I have done so far for the RC-5 and RC-500: ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
Enjoy 😉
Very didactic ! I had figured out some of these possibilities, but you give out extra tips which are definitly useful, thank you very much indeed JP, cheers.
You are very welcome. 👍🏻
The more options we have with this pedal the more control you have over your songs and if I’m honest, it makes it easier to manage.
Knowledge is King. 👍🏻
JP, Old guy in Vancouver, BC here. Stumbled across this ineffable video, it's opened up a whole new world. I had no idea that the RC-500 could do these amazing things. THANK YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH! Going to attempt putting a BeatBuddy in the circuit to replace the rhythms in the RC.
Hey 👋
So happy you found me! That’s great!
Here is the Playlist of everything for the RC-500 for you to sink your teeth into.
ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
No time lost here, extremely usefull, best tutorial, thank you !!!
More than welcome 🙏
Check out my other videos on it. Done a few. 👍🏻
Great video! Make me love more my looper. Thank you
great informations here, accuracy and " simplicity are together well" Thank you ;)
You are more than welcome and thank you for the kind comment.
Thanks 🙏
fantastic - clear and to the point.
Thank you very much 🙏
From now on this will be my example song when teaching song parts 😁❤️
haha! maybe I should bring it out as a track!? 🤣
Great breakdown!
Thanks 🙏
Very helpful. I'm using an Rc 30 now, and though im a novice, i was already frustrated with having the same segment/phrase length across tracks. -- and starting at the next segment at the end is huge. I will now be able to use my dual fs pedal and really make things happen. Thank you. You're a good teacher
Glad it helped! Glad you enjoyed it!
Here’s the playlist of all the videos I’ve done for both the RC-5 and RC-500 so far: ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs&si=978NTH-yD0y6fbua
I also now have a FULL RC-500 course here: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/2HokeXzM/checkout?
Thanks for all the help pal
Happy to help.
Here is the playlist of all the RC-5/500 videos I have done. Enjoy. ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
@@JohnPaulMusicUK yeah man I think I’ll be watching them for quite a bit. You’re definitely the most wholesome rc500 guru on YT! I’ve only just picked my guitar up again after 5 or so years of not playing and well, now it feels like I’ve got 2 instruments to learn how to play again! It’s so good for practising with though, very glad I spent the dosh on it. I do have another question, regarding the var.change parameter, but I’ll have another sesh on it after work and if I can’t figure it out I’ll probably post it on the rhythm video you have posted. Peace and love dude, this is the verse.
And you are the reason I’m purchasing an rc-500 thank you
More than welcome.
Here’s the playlist of all the RC-5 and RC-500 videos that I have made for you - ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
Thank you for this!
More than welcome 🙏
Set it up to your spec works like a dream great video so informative 😃
Glad you enjoyed it!
Here’s the playlist of all the videos I’ve done for both the RC-5 and RC-500 so far: ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs&si=978NTH-yD0y6fbua
I also now have a FULL RC-500 course here: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/2HokeXzM/checkout
Cheers mate! Thank you so much. Big help….you rock!
No worries check out my RC-5/500 playlist here: ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
After 2 days of research and trial and error just completed a four part loop on my new Boss 500.
Thank you for all the work you do with your videos - there is no way I could have worked it out from the manual.
A four part song was probably not the best choice of starting point but it was hugely interesting to do and gave me a good overview of what it can do. What an amazing piece of kit! I did find that as my track 1 was a different number of measures than track 2 I had to turn of track 2 loop sync in order to get it to play from the start of the loop every time. However in order to get a good in time recording I had to have loop sync on. God knows what other knobs and buttons I have also twiddled with... I used the memory option rather than system so that I could set pedal three as memory up on memory one and down on memory two - I only had a single ctrl pedal which I used as rhythm stop/start. Memory one is Intro Verse and Two is Outro/Bridge Chorus.
This is a link to the song with camera on the floor - but not very clear; sorry.
ruclips.net/video/DdKz6Tv8ubs/видео.html
I am only an enthusiastic amateur not a musician so the levels and arrangement are a bit iffy but it worked!
Thanks again for a great channel.
excelent tutorial!!
More than welcome 🙏
I guess I would have found all of these after a few hours of browsing the menus, trying etc... BUT without this video I don't know if I'd bought this looper because you precisely explained what I was looking for!
Thanks a lot for taking the time to break down this extremely useful functions of the RC-500, a major upgrade from the RC-30 if you like to tweak your gear!
Many thanks for all the hours you saved me (and many other people)!
Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Here’s the playlist of all the videos I’ve done for both the RC-5 and RC-500 so far: ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs&si=978NTH-yD0y6fbua
I also now have a FULL RC-500 course here: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/2HokeXzM/checkout
very cool thank you!
More than welcome 🙏
Thanks a lot for this, now I’ll be hearing “this is the verse” in my head for days hahahaha
Hahaha.. but it is what it is.. and it is the verse… or is it the chorus chorus chorus? 😂
Really informative thanks .👍
thank you so much, i am a no brainer with looping, but your vids help me
Glad it helps. 👍🏻
Thanks SO MUCH for this video JohnPaul. I have been wondering how I could use my RC500 when I have 3 or 4 song parts. I didnt realize that you could seamlessly go between memories and have it play in time. So all I should need is a multibutton midi control pedal and I should be able to accomplish what you have shown. Awesome. I will have to check out other videos that you have done :).
You are welcome.
Allow me as they are all in a playlist:
ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
Enjoy.
Fantastic. thanks a lot.
You are welcome 🙏
Very helpful, thank you. I've made a few minor modifications, just by way of preference, otherwise this is spot on and seems to work well.
Glad it helped. Am now making a FULL RC-500 course on my website www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk but looks like you might have the hang of it. 👍🏻
Great video! I'm going to play around and see if I can replicate this behavior on my RC-5.
Let me know if it works! 👍🏻
Cool 😀😀
Thanks 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it! Here’s the playlist of all the videos I’ve done for both the RC-5 and RC-500 so far: ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs&si=978NTH-yD0y6fbua
I also now have a FULL RC-500 course here: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/2HokeXzM/checkout
Bravo mate.
Thank you 🙏
If I had seen this video in time I might not have sold my RC-500. I didn't, but I hope others seeing this will hang in there!
Awww thank you 🙏
Shame about the sale but I hope your still looping somehow. 👍🏻
Watched a couple of your cips lately. I'm new to loopers and purchased a RC-5. From your videos I've experienced the advantage to control RC-5 functions from both a Foot switch and a MIDI Controler so my plan is to purchase those. I really would like to prepare for playing through a song with parts as in this video - like an Intro, Verse and Chorus. Trying out that as a first test on the RC-5 worked, but only if I record the full song in one memory. It's doable but you really have to be tight i tempo and be prepared to delete and re-play the full song on overdubs. What you obtain here is somehow what I aim for. To be able to start one Memory and without interuption then play the next. Like let one button (let's say on the MIDI Controler) to go next or previous Memory-slop and start playing it directly. Guess it would be very hard to stay in tempo if you have to do this in two steps (one press to change Memry and one after to start playing). Is this possible or would I have to buy a RC-500 to even have the possibility to do that? Thank's for your useful tips so far :)
Your videos are totally awesome, saves having to scan through the epic manual. Quick question, is there a way of saving the single play mode globally as default? So I don't have to set up every time I start a new loop
Hey 👋
Thanks 🙏
So to answer your question.. no but there is another way round it.
You just have to think in a different way.
Create a template. So on memory 1 leave it blank but set it up how you want it. Then when inspiration strikes and you wanna get something down and save it, you write to memory.. but not memory 1. Just change it to the memory you want to save it on and hey presto! That’s save (let’s say on memory 20) and then when you go back to memory 1 it’s setup the way you like it, ready to go and take your next inspiring track.
Hope that makes sense and helps you.
Thanks against please share my videos out. Want to reach more people! 👍🏻
Thanks for the video! Are the settings you change (for example the function of the switches, the rhythm settings and how each loop plays) tied to the memory bank or are they global settings?
so for this example, I have changed the RC-500 so its Per memory. I think this so much more powerful cause you can have different buttons for different songs.
Hi John, this is nicely demonstrated but the tracks have already been pre-recorded. In a live situation I would like to start recording a chorus IMMEDIATELY after stopping recording the verse (as opposed to having to hear the verse playback again before recording a chorus). Is this possible?
Thank you for your video, very well explained.
You are using the Boss Fs-7 switch. But can we use another switch? I try with the NUX NMP-2, but it doesn't work.
Yes you can certainly use another switch, just needs to be a compatible polarity and should be fine.
Massive thing I'm not understanding about the looper. I'm trying to record a loop on track 1, then switch to track 2, and do a dub over, and I'd like that second track I recorded to start playing immediately at the beginning of the phrase of track one - as if I were overdubbing on track 1. It doesn't seem to matter if I've put t1 or t2 loop.s on, or not, or auto/free measure - nothing seems to work.
If you could shed some light on this, that would be a massive help! Thank you!
Does this work with chorus and verse that are different lengths/bars
wow great layout for the live! Could you record a whole album with that small thing?
Certainly could.
Is there a way to share these setups by connecting to computer and import/export? There is a Data folder but not sure what it actually contains.
Thanks! Hey, can you make a video on how to use the rhythm fill function
It’s on my list of videos to make - coming soon.. watch this space. 👍🏻
Great video! I have two questions:
1. Can you chain even more parts in linear song mode? E.g. Chorus 1, chorus 2 (variation), verse 1, verse 2 (variation) etc.
2. Can you output the rhythm track separat? Only as a click for the drummer?
Hi Nikolaus 👋
So the answer is yes and yes.
You can just use more memories to have as many as you want.
And yes you can output the rhythm separately - have a look at this video - ruclips.net/video/SCBU0A2Gwjw/видео.html
Hi John, a new owner of the RC 500 and having watched heaps of footage I do agree with many here that your content is excellent and I find myself learning. One thing I would love clarified is the naming the track. Lots have said you cannot BUT you have, as in this Intro-Chorus vid. Would you be able to explain how or point me to where I can watch and learn. Many thanks.
Hi Graham, simply click the ‘memory’ button, scroll all the way to the end and you should see ‘Name. Click it and you can edit the name of the memory.
Download the parameter guide from boss - you’ll need it. Much better than the quick start guide.
static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/RC-500_Parameter_eng01_W.pdf
Hi! Love this video. Could you explain the connection setup you have going from the FS7 to the RC500. I only see one cable making the connection. I tried to hook it up the same way I see in your video but it only controls the B switch not the A switch
Hey 👋
Yeah if you look closely on the pedal at the back you need a stereo cable to control both (TRS) where a normal jack / guitar cable (TS) is mono. That was it can use both signals to control both pedals. Hope that helps. 👍🏻 😊
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks! It works amazingly now!
Hi JP, brilliant video. Is this possible with the FS-6 too? Is there an advantage of the FS-7? Cheers
Yes. 100%
The only difference with the FS7 is the physical design and footprint.
An FS-6 & FS-7 do the same thing. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Cheers Paul
This is great! Thanks so much for sharing!
So with this setup how many songs with 4 parts (intro, verse chorus, bridge) could you set up on the RC 500 for a live performance as a solo artist? Thanks in advance!
If you did it this way you would be using 2 memories for 4 parts and it has a total of 99 memories.. so 50 (and a half 😂)
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Woww that's the answer I was looking for! haha Thanks so much, sir!
Welcome 🙏
Hi. Would this memory up, multi part song trick work on RC 10 R? I like the idea of 3/4/5 etc part songs saved to pedal. Thanks
If the RC-10R with play seamlessly from one memory to another, (give it a try) then yes.
Sir, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH 😢... I've been using this machine like DINGUS, when I should have used it like a HUNK.
Glad I could help. I’m also now making a full course and you can get 15% off whilst it’s under construction.
Have a look at my in depth courses here:
www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk - scroll down and you’ll see the RC-500 course there. 👍🏻
Question for you JP… this has helped so much…. Only thing I can’t get is when I click Track 2 it still plays the Track 1 stuff I recorded. Shouldn’t they be independent but with the same beat? Thanks!
Sounds like you have it in Multi mode, like it is by default. You need to have the the memory in Single mode for the tracks.
So with this set up you lose the option to record multiple layers on the same track ?
Great video, thanks! Very helpful. Question: Could the same be achieved using the tracks in series across two memories?
Thank you. Technically yes it could but you would have to save the loops cause as mentioned in the comments, if you jumped up and down without saving, you would loose your loop.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks!
Welcome 🙏
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi.. so if I would like to create live the loops as Im playing i Cant?? These only works with previously recorded loops?
Either that or you would save the loop live and then move on. Tricky but not impossible.
The other option is a looper that does auto save, like the Donner Circle looper.
If you change memories, that DOES auto save and you can achieve this.
Have a look here ruclips.net/video/d4MtAhIjMDo/видео.html
Hi JP, great video thanks. I had bought 2 rc500 how would I get this to work with 2 of them?
Let me know, Thanks again
Hey Joe 👋
Wow! Two! 4 tracks eh?
It’s probably not the norm for a RUclipsr to point towards another but check out Ben Rowland’s video as he has done this - ruclips.net/video/aSbpHF0E9HY/видео.html
I have a question for all the loop wizards out there; see how you can change track at the end of a loop, is there a way to get the same kind of effect but for starting the recording?! I’m not very good and the start of my loops sound naff cause I can’t start playing and hit the record button at the same time very well. I’d like to be able to hit the record button and then have a count in, or if I’m overdubbing to start recording on the next first measure. Of course, I will accept any “get good” suggestions, but any advice would be immeasurably appreciated!
Hey 👋
So I have a little trick for you which might help.
Start the rhythm and then hit record but don’t play anything. Record however many bars you need for that section and make sure they are blank.
Then stop everything, give it a name and save it.
Now when you come to it, you already have the amount of bars you need and all you need to do is start all and then you can overdub on the silent track in time to your hearts content.
This is a great way to practice your timing without panicking about button pressing at the same time.
Hope that helps?
Hey JP ! What’s up man.. you will be happy to know I’m finally getting this machine after watching your videos about 30 times each and asking u about 5000 questions lol . Ok here is another question. I’m recording some background vocals on track 1 that I just want to bring in for a certain part of the chorus and then want it to automatically stop before it repeats until I bring it back in during the next chorus .. is there a way to set the memory so it just plays what you recorded one time and then stops ? This way I don’t have to worry about actually stopping it mid chorus .. thanks Jp!
hey 👋
yay! so glad your picking one up, hopefully through one of my links, 👍🏼
to answer your question, yes, you can set it to basically do the equivalent of a ‘one shot’ and play once and then stop instead of continuously loop. 👍🏼
@@JohnPaulMusicUK got it !!! Thanks so much JP ! This channel is such a great help .. If not for your videos this pedal would have been right back at the store and I would have just stuck with the rc30.. this pedal is so much more advanced than the 30 and the direction manual doesn’t do it justice . .. I find boss’s videos on their products to be absolutely useless. Hope they appreciate how well you explain their products ! Thanks again JP
I hope they do too Mj
Thank you so much 🙏
More on the way. 👍🏻
Thank you for the informative video. I just want to say that it is not to be used in live performance condition since you can’t save your memory after laying down the Intro/Verse tracks. So when you go to the memory (chorus/bridge), you will loose all recordings. So in order for this to work you have to pre-record your performance on both memories, save them and bring them to the gig and play over them. That kind of defeat the purpose of live performance. Cheers!
Hey! 👋
Yes, you are right but what you can do is have a basic track laid down like a beat and a bass line, then you can loop over the top.
Yes it is more like a backing track for this reason and a bit more work at home prepping it but for a bigger sound or to have multiple parts with just a 2 track looper, this is a good option.
When I can finally get back to playing in pubs and clubs and playing the bigger, dance/disco covers, I will be using this option when using the RC-500 cause it will help get people on the dance floor and save time creating the loops.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK yes indeed!
These days, I find myself gravitating more toward the RC10 as I find it better suited for live performance. Especially the inability of the RC500 to have two independent loops in length and still able to sync with the drums very annoying. True the RC10 has its own limitations, particularly with the way how drums intros and endings are inconveniently set and the lack of flexibility in customization. Like U2 said:” I still haven’t found what I’m looking for...” in loopers.
But I love your channel. I always found your insights very informative. I don’t subscribe a lot to RUclips channels but you are one. Thanks mate!
More than welcome - we are all looking for that ‘holy grail’ / perfect looper.
Hehe
Ya, I found the same thing out when I was setting this up. It's unfortunate that you can't save either when sound is playing. I did a clever trick though for the memory switching where my track select button on memory 1 is up and then on memory 2 the track select button is memory down. So one button that toggle between two memories without an external switch. Also for the timing with the drums if you stop tracks then play the drums start with the loop. Which is an unconventional workaround. But if you are able to if works perfectly. It would be super cool if boss could add something where when you press the second tack is stops then play all in milliseconds resetting the tempo to match up. This would be the ultimate fix! Also great video.
Oooh Nigel I’m loving this track select switching tip! Nice!! 👍🏻
Is there a video that shows this in a live setting? If I record the verse and go to the next memory, and try to go back to the verse, won't it be erased?
It will yes. This would be for playback mainly.. however you could have a skeleton track for playing live and play over the top. You can save whilst playing live but it’s fiddly.
This is an excellent video, but it's crazy how much of a workaround is required to get it to function like this. There seem to be two ways to do verse/chorus: (1) Turning Loop Sync OFF and then just switching between T1 and T2 in single mode (we'll call that the "Ben Rowlands" method); or (2) Programming either two or four different parts by switching between Memories ("JohnPaul method"). The JohnPaul method has a lot of advantages, including being able to designate a different rhythm with chorus, which you can't do just by switching tracks on one memory.
However, there's more work behind the scenes (I think) than what he shows. There's a lot of little things, such as making sure the rhythm is set to trigger on the memory switch. Also, it's not clear to me if the JohnPaul method still has the limitations about each track needing to be the same length, or a multiple of that length. That was an issue with the Ben Rowlands single-memory approach because if the rhythm could get out of sync when the track lengths didn't match up. I'll have to experiment with both.
I also think that while I'm inclined to like JohnPaul's approach better (in part because it's similar to how I used to use a DigiTech Jamman Solo XT), this would be more for creating full backing tracks versus live play. I think it would be pretty difficult to record all of those parts within the flow of playing a song (and in the case of the intro and bridge, probably wouldn't make sense at all). But it's an interesting option for playing whole songs and, as he said, you can just save these settings to two of your 99 presets, so you aren't married to one approach or the other.
This is a very interesting comment and love the different approaches.
Yeah there is a lot more work for my one but it’s just to show what’s possible with one looper. Of course if you wanted this much in one track, then you would go for an RC-600 with 6 tracks or something like an Aeros Looper. But the whole point of the video was to bring in a comment like this.. to show the limitations are actually not there. With the right workflow.. you can get away with quite a lot. Thank you for this comment. Love it 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Could you explain how you're able to keep the rhythm going when you switch memory banks? I've followed this video, and it's working great - except the drums stop when the new memory starts playback. Thanks!
John.... i see some have BIG knobs on theyre loopers?... where can i buy something like that.
here you go: Coloured Footswitch Toppers I use: geni.us/Colouredcaps
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Thanks JohnPaul for all you do. Question: Is there a way to change pedal function for one memory, without changing it for the others.
For Instance.............. I change the pedal 1 function to "Start All" in one memory, write it to that memory, but it changes all the other memories to that same pedal 1 function.
Not what I wanted.
I know I must be doing something wrong.
Thanks in Advance.
Vince
Hey Vince.
So out of the box, the RC-500 is designed to be the same pedals. No matter what memory you are in. This is the default but you can change this so it’s ‘per loop/memory’.
Press the MENU button, then scroll to ‘Preference’ there you can control PDL1, PDL2 & PDL3 Preferences.
By default it’s per system. Just change it to per memory. Nice 👍🏻
Hi I've got a problem with immediate playback of my loop on the rc 500, I have a second or so delay any suggestions
This sounds strange.
Have you updated the firmware?
hey JP !! every time I go memory up or down it erases the content on the previous track what is the solution for this ?? !! Thanks in advance!!
This is the one issue. It will erase if you don’t save. This solution is by having things pre-saved which I know isn’t ideal but the only way unless you stop the loop, save and then move up… which what you don’t want in a performance.
The RC-600 can save a loop with assigning a button but still no what most people want.
I think it'd be easier to find 4 guys that play music, and start a band...
Amen
😂
👍
Ah , that’s cunning. I bought it (my first looper) having worked out I could use it for a verse/chorus type set-up rather than 2 layered parts. Hadn’t considered I can actually go up and down memory and it continue playing/recording, but can have other different settings. 🤦🏻♂️
Theres any way around to send the click/metronome/rythm only to hear it in a headphones and none in the speakers? As it doens't have any dedicated phones out seems it wouldn't be possible right?? :(
No it is possible.
Just need to send the rhythm to one of the output channels and plug your headphones into that output. Yes the rest would be mono but you can separate it.
Alternatively you could send midi clock bpm via the TRS jack to midi adapter.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK amazing, thanks so much. Love your videos brother, keep it up please!
So as i thinkabout it,,i wanna youse it as a comp,,machine,,in cover songs,,,can i pre make the comp in Logic?
Yeah totally can make it in Logic.
Needs to be 44.1 and can be 16, 24, or 32 bit 👍🏻
How can you do this if you are live looping with nothing pre-recorded? The "save" process would require bending down and performing like three different actions on the "intro/verse" before switching up to "bridge/chorus." And then you would have to do the same to go back don one preset.
This is true. It’s a shame really cause there is the option for Memory Write on the RC-600 and I know that the RC-500 could do this as well. I hope they update it to include memory write as a pedal option. That would be awesome! 👍🏻
Must the internal rhythm machine be in use to be able to have a memory automatically play when selected? My set up: Button configuration = factory + CTRL 1 and 2 assigned to external switch for up and down; Tracks set to Single/End of loop. Scenario: I've got an ABC song and am looping my own hand percussion recorded on the RC-500. Memory 1, track 1 = Verse; Memory 1, track 2 = chorus; Memory 2, Track 1 (or 2) = bridge. Problem = When I select mem 2 while mem 1 is playing, it doesn't automatically play after mem 1 gets to the end. I have to punch play dead-on the down beat to make a seamless transition between Chorus to Bridge.
I don't have this problem with another ABC song. The only difference in set up is that I use the internal rhythm machine. Thanks in advance for whatever advice you can give.
Ohhh interesting 🤔
Have you had a look at the time signature as well as the bpm?
Is it a 4/4 beat or is it more than 4 bars?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I've got Loop Sync OFF; Tempo Sync ON.The song is in 4/4 (I assume the unit defaults to 4/4, I haven't checked) and the number of bars varies: Verse: 2 bars; Chorus: 8 bars; Bridge 8 Bars. I did mess around a bit more and turned Loop Sync ON, but had to adjust the tempos, which had somehow slowed down from when I recorded them yesterday (on one the tunes, which was recorded at 76 bpm and worked fine at that tempo yesterday, the tempo was slowed down in half [slow and glitchy, like Giant Honour experienced below]-->I had to set it manually to 152 today, and then it was fine---???). Anyway, I had to set the tempo button to get them to what the originals were recorded at, but couldn't use loop sync because i have varied track lengths. Sooo...I turned Loop Sync back off but now had the tempo settings written to the memories in question. and...now it works! I don't really know why though. Does one have to manually assign the tempo for each track/memory?
On another note, when going up and down between Mems 1 & 2, it goes to track 2 (since I originally go from Chorus [track 2] to Bridge [Track 2]) like you pointed out. I discovered that, if I then make the extra step to select track one and then arm it (selecting play) before the bridge is done playing, it will switch to Track 1, Mem 1 (verse) like I want it to.
Anyway, this has all been by finding valuable info from folks such as yourself (Thank you so much!) and basic trial and error. I don't know if there is a more "standard"/easier way to set this up, but at least I can get it to do what I want for song structures with the default pedal assignments (except CTRLs 1 & 2, as mentioned).
Wow.. what a journey you are having?!
So firstly, No you shouldn’t have to set them for every time. As long as the time signature (which btw the default is 4/4) is set then the BPM is set from the first loop.
I’m gonna try and re-create your problem and see what I can do to generate it a faster way.
I don’t know why by turning loop sync on and then off it now works?! Mental!
But thank you for the kind words and I’m just happy your song works.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks for your input, I look forward to seeing if you come up with anything!
Can you change the drums between track 1 and track 2?
You could change the drums with a variation of even deeper with one of the assigns
Can this be achieved with the RC-5 in a live setting?
Yes it can provided you have a pedal connected like the FS-6 / FS-7 that can increase and decrease the memory for you. 👍🏻
Can we use this same logic for the rc202?? Thanks!
Totally!
JP I have the rc30 and the rc10r and I am going to get the rc500. Do you see any advantage for me to keep the rc10r or rc30. What’s the advantage and dis advantage can you help or should i just get rid of the rc30 and rc10r?
RC-30 advantage - simpler and battery lasts longer for busking. I keep mine around for this plug and play situation.
RC-10r advantage - more drums and drum patterns with more sections per memory. if you like the drums and patterns of the RC-10r then you can always link it up to the RC-500 vis midi for midi clock.
Thank you! Does this apply to the rc10r as well?
Yeah you could do that with the RC-10r as well. Just moving up and down memory banks. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you for the help 🙂
No worries.
very good Tutorial man, but somehow i always ask myself, where is the Advantage of a loopstation compared to a normal playback that you play and sing to.
With the loop pedal you have so much to do while with a normal playback you can focus much more on your Instrument, singing or whatever...
This is true but the advantage of using a looper is if you have the song in loops or parts, you can embellish on top.
Let’s say you have chorus as one part.. you could record harmonies live on stage and it just has that live, in the moment element that is unique.
Of course if you are playing the whole thing from start to finish as one take, then yes it no different than playback.
This is why you can do that. Have a look at this video -
ruclips.net/video/txztkFgg7wU/видео.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK the "live feeling" is a good point:)
Hello JP..I like to make a loop on the song Beautiful Sunday by Daniel Boone ..I like to set up Boss rc 500 ones and when ever i coming back next day it is set up for looping.. i just want simple verse chorus verse chorus chorus end..never change it on any song..NO fancy stuff all will come out on the PA system...I m retired and i want to play for retired people ONLY. Please help me...
Hello Emze
I know the song. 👍🏻
So the verse would be 8 bars and the chorus would be 16 bars long as there are chord changes.
The RC-500 would be able to do this.
I would change the RC-500 memory over to single mode and then you can play the verse and the chorus very easily.
Then it’s just a case of picking a rhythm that you think would suit it. 👍🏻
Then save that to the memory and it’s there for you when you return to it next time. 👍🏻
Most other loopers with control jacks can switch between memory slots.
The advantage here is the two tracks. Two situations without stepping memory.
So I assume if you had more than two of them like mentioned 10, 11, 12, 13 you'd just step a few times in advance to jump from, say 10 to 13 and then back to 11. I'm not sure if this like so but should be obvious..
That’s correct.. the trick with this is to do it before number 10 ends so it can cue it up seamlessly. 👍🏻
Pedal dancing but it can be done. 😊
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I will own a RC -500 soon...! Looking forward to dive deeper into the features. May I ask you:
is there a more detailed manual than the official one?
And I do have a few foot switches left, but don't know by all if they use latch or unlatch mode. (Some might offer both) is it ok to just try if they'll work or is it possible to damage the unit with wrong switches? Thanks a lot
How do I clear the tracks without it starting back up & making noise??
There is a function which you can use on one of the 3 buttons or an external which is clear track.
However if you have the track stopped and just go down a memory and then back up again.. it will erase as long as you haven’t saved it.
Great job. But i am new. I have the rc 500 setup for verse chorus. Thatś enough for me . It works but I can't get my recordings just in time with the rhytm machine. Quantize not right? Beats not right????? please help me. There are some milisecinds that it 's not perfect in time and it's getting worse after more beats. Regards Mike
Try and record your second best with putting your foot down JUST before the bar 1, beat 1 beat and it should calculate it up. Make sure the looper isn’t on FREE mode and is quantising.
I work live in vegas...I've already saved several different grooves to memory. All I want is to be able to get in & out of whatever loop I create WITH the drums still playing until I turn them off? Also tap tempo would be great...can't figure it out??
Morning from the UK Rob.
Okay.. so the best advice I could give would be grab an FS-6 or FS-7 pedal.
You can program that up to do a few different things.
So you have a choice. You could use one of the buttons on the RC-500 and change it to be a tap tempo.
Or you could use that on an external pedal.
Additionally you can use an external like FS-6/7 to control memory up and down and yes, this will happen seamlessly whilst playing if you want to.
Alternatively if you want even more control then you can get a midi pedal with more buttons and program it up.
This makes a HUGE difference and can really help.
Have a look at this option - ruclips.net/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/видео.html
Also.. have a look at this video about adding the FS-7 pedal to an RC-5 and 500 but watch the RC-5 bit as well as all the options you can do on a 500 and some of them might be useful to you.
ruclips.net/video/Jy1g7GKb398/видео.html
@JohnPaul Music UK thanks for getting back JP..appreciate you. I'll try to keep this brief: I've got fs7 & rc500...first 2 pedals are setup independently r,p,s,c..3rd is rhythm p,s...what I'm trying to do is loop the chorus of a song & start & stop it without stopping the drum tracks I've created...AND be able to tap tempo the grooves as presetting the tempos doesn't work for different songs..I'm using 6-7 grooves to cover my song list....I tried setting rhythm to off on 2nd switch which allows me to start & stop first track..but then only way to stop rhythm is w on/off button....the fs7 is dedicated memory up/down so that I can access different groove presets live...seem to paint myself into a corner no matter what I do...closest thing has been to set(if I remember!) 3rd switch as cur s,t...& then bank up to clear second track without 2 sec delay...I simply want to record a chorus segment & start & stop it without affecting the drum pattern....I need a switch to record a chorus, a switch to start & stop that track without stopping the drums..& a switch to tap tempo?....there isn't a track pause? Hope this is making sense? Even tried first 2 buttons as indy loopers so when I switch it silences each track..but if I try to say, clear 2nd track while first one is playing it stops the whole loop! Be great if you could erase one track while other was playing WITHOUT stopping the drums? Whew! Anyway, lmk if you know of any way to achieve my live needs....or we can take design mod ideas to Roland! In a live setting its like a real band; if the groove stops your dead in the water
Can you switch memories in the same way on the rc5? (Loop end)
Yes you can. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thank you!
I have almost no sound when I connect it to stereo fx loop.
Can you please advise?
I would advise to put the looper not on your fx loop but at the end of your pedal chain, that way you can record all your sounds before it reaches your speaker or amp.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK
Thank you for the reply. The problem is that I have Orange Rocker 32, a stereo combo, and if I connect it at the end of my chain and not the fx loop it will not be stereo.
My amp have send and two returns, besides the regular in front of the amp input. The question is why the rc500 doesnt record the signal it receivesfrom the DD200 which connected to fx loop in stereo and works perfectly. Same was with RC30, so I just don't get what is wrong here.
Bonjour;votre video n explique pas comment faire quand on part à zero! How to do when we record in live?
Salut Guy. 👋
C'est donc une option pour avoir une option de piste d'accompagnement partielle. A partir de zéro, il faudrait se baisser et enregistrer avant de passer à l'autre mémoire. Ce serait très difficile dans cette situation.
Il serait préférable d'utiliser le RC-500 en un seul mode. Regardez cette vidéo que j'ai faite cette semaine. ruclips.net/video/EFrgs0kmNJs/видео.html
Hi JP
After I’ve set the fs 7 to memory inc and dec, the decline button goes to the previous set and STOPS the loop…why?😢
Need a little help here
Thanks a bunch
This is common and don’t worry.
With the FS7 it’s set or memory and not systematic. Imagine you have just used it to go up (or down) a memory. Well, now it’s a whole new memory and the FS7 doesn’t have the same function on this memory as it did on the last one. The great news is you can make it systematic. Head on over to Menu> Setup>Preference and here you can change the the CTL1 & CTL2 from memory to system. (Remember to save that) and now, just go back and pick it to be mem up and mem down again. Save that and you’re sorted.
Hope that helps - Here’s the playlist of all the videos I’ve done for both the RC-5 and RC-500 so far: ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs&si=978NTH-yD0y6fbua
I also now have a FULL RC-500 course here: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/2HokeXzM/checkout put the word SUBSCRIBER in the checkout for a cheeky little discount. 😉
@@JohnPaulMusicUK - no wonder you’re my favorite, thanks for the quick reply 😉
Actually, all was set to system, but the loop was stopped on memory 1 But when I switch between memory 2 and 3 it works like a charm… But I still don’t understand why it stops on memory 1.
Looks like I will have to give up one channel out of the 99? 😉
@@JohnPaulMusicUK can I have another question? With the settings you set in this video - when I change memories, the guitar track loops are stopped as well.
I tried saving it it didn’t work. Many thanks
So when you change memories and you have the guitar tracks recorded on each memory the next one stops? That sounds strange. Do you have audio recorded on both (each memory). The RC-500 will only play between memories if there is something there to play. If there isn’t any audio, the trick is to record a blank track for however many bar lengths you need. Then as you switch, it should be seamless.
That might be a memory setting you have on memory 1. Check the settings.
Don't suppose you could explain the difference between track chain - parallel or series?
Certainly.
Parallel (or multi) is when tracks are playing together.. like a vocal and a guitar.. or a beatbox and 4 chords.
Series is when the loops are being played one at a time, like a verse then a chorus, or a part A and part B of a song. Hope that helps. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Yes that does help. Thanks for clarifying, it is what I thought. One other thing, have you noticed any sync issues when loop.s is switched off? I want to have to a verse/chorus, but the loop lengths are different, so I've set loop.s to off. But I've noticed that even if I get the loops bang on to begin with, the longer they play, the more they drift from the rhythm sync. Noticed a few people are complaining about this on forums (mainly people wanting to play similar situations like me i.e two different lengths loops). Any help would be appreciated.
When I record part A on track 1, part B on track 2 (different length loops) all is well. Saved no problem, recalled back and works. However when the unit is switched off and back on, it's always that one of the tracks plays back glitchy and slow. Can't seem to fix it! Unit updated to V1. 02
Oooh how weird!?
Are you on the latest firmware?
Check my “how to” video here: ruclips.net/video/pBUyIajS_BY/видео.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK unfortunately the firmware is up to date. I don't get the glitch on every saved 2-track loop I've created just on some but it makes the unit unusable and very frustrating. Just wondered if you had come across this issue. I've wiped it a few times with the factory reset yet that hasn't resolved the problem either
I've had a similar problem (described in my post above). What worked for me was manually setting the tempo and writing it to memory. Once that was done, it has stayed at the specified tempos. (Although I have no clue why, when I recorded one at 76 bpm yesterday [without specifying the tempo] that I had to set it to 152 bpm today to get it to play at the correct tempo- we'll see what happens tomorrow:>) It is frustrating to not know how to avoid this. Maybe the key is in specifying a tempo as soon as it's recorded.
Press “Edit” on both tracks and scroll to “Tempo”. You can then set Tempo to OFF before you record anything. Then once you have saved you should be able to switch on and off without the glitch
Good tip
Ron, Ron, Ron Weas-ley 😉
😂
How to do when recording?
Hello Guy. 👋
So this is an option to have a part-backing track option. From zero you would have to bend down and save before you carry onto the other memory. It would be very difficult in this situation.
It would be better to use the RAC-500 in a single mode. Have a look at this video I only did this week. ruclips.net/video/EFrgs0kmNJs/видео.html
how can I have two independent loops with different measure.....but in time with drum rythms
Yes, so you can put the RC-500 in 'single' mode where button 1 is loop 1 and button 2 is loop 2 and they can be different lengths with the drums still going.
if you want different time signatures, the only way around that would be to go up and down two memories but would be difficult to save on the fly.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK if i have different measures it doesnt work ... for example if i have in loop one 4 measures .. it force me to have in loop two also 4 measures or 8 etc
Apologies- I thought that’s what you meant.. as in a derivative of the original (2,4,8,16 etc)
So if you want different lengths (say one in 4 bars 4/4 and another in 7 bars 3/4) then the only way to do that is across two memories.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thank you again. Do you may know if is it possible to make (somehow) a fill rythm break?
important point to make here - if you lay down a loop and switch to the next preset, you will lose the loop. There is no auto save function (that I know of). I will use this technique but will need to prepare the loop before hand.
If you want auto save - you might wanna take a look at this little item - ruclips.net/video/d4MtAhIjMDo/видео.html
Why not just have the whole song on one task played throughout? How is this applicable to a live scenario? Why would i want to do this?
Of course. You could 100% do what you’re saying.. but you might want more than just a backing track to overdub sections in to keep it feeling live, like harmonies or other elements.
Treating this still like a looper and not just a backing track machine.
Hope that makes sense. 😊
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I see what you're saying
Very informative and no doubt fun, but an edited backing track from a daw played through a mp3 player will get the job done a lot simpler and cheaper. but hey, I guess it's brain exercise for those with time to burn.
Each to their own.
I love creating the live loops in front of an audience - as they are not pre-recorded and never 100% the same.
Yes a backing track would do the job of course. But if you have already invested in a loop pedal, then this is a great way to do it without bringing even more equipment with you.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK hi JP, please can you tell me how you did this video without pre-recording it. As soon as we switch between two memories the previously recorded loop is gone (not auto-saved). I was thinking to use this pattern as a template but to me, it looks impossible to use two memories.