Is an older Tesla still good? Model s70d vs s85 free supercharging range and efficiency test review
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Free Tesla Supercharging is a fantastic way to save money of course. Who wouldn’t want free fuel?
Some Teslas have this perk but it does require an older Model to qualify. So, do these older cars still drive well with good range or have they suffered battery degradation that would render them almost useless?
Here I take you along on a day where I collect a Model S 70D and use our very S85. Our car is quite high mileage with over 100,000 miles but we certainly still use it every day. Of course normally we charge at home or in the office but when we are on a road trip we certainly make use of the free electric to keep runnings costs low.
I also explain which cars do and do not have free charging. You have to be very careful when buying as I always see a lot of falsely advertised cars for sale.
So have a watch and I hope enjoy.
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Did 800miles last weekend in my Model S, and the total cost……………£0. Free supercharging is the best!
With our tesla (model s, 2013) we have learned to distress. Every (free) supercharge we get extra time for each other, to take a walk or a coffee. Life has gone better since! Thanx for your great videos and stories Richard.
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I ordered my model S 100D in January 2017, received it in March. After almost 5 1/2 years, there has only been 6% battery degradation, 335 down to 315 miles. It does have free supercharging, but that will not pass on to the next owner. Because of Teslas free software upgrades, it has all the features of a new one. Still looks new, and drives like a new car.
I think the transferable supercharging was before 15 th Jan. I know because I was hovering over the order button until 23:55 😳
My BMW E61 525d from 2007 and just short of 250.000 miles still looks modern and nearly drives like a new car, and still goes beyond 620 miles on a "charge", no degradation
@@curioussand1339 hurr durr petrol gud... how much is a full tank?
@@HybridViking That's the tricky part, where I live, in Europe, it will cost me what corresponds to 177 $ for a full tank (70 l ~= 18.5 gallons) of tasty diesel. Which is why the car is not used that often currently, for the benefit of the environment and my purchasing power.
@@curioussand1339 You're taking a pretty loose definition of "still looks modern".
My S85 that I bought from you around one year ago now is still going extremely well now with 112000 miles. It has done around 16000 miles over the last 12 months. Not much has failed, 2 door handles, that's all really. CCS upgraded and eMMC replaced under warranty. No road tax and free supercharging. It's up and down to the highlands every week and rear wheel drive (with cross climates) is fine, even in winter. You are right about the purity of the real wheel drivers, my other P85D is great and technically much nicer, but the S85 has charm. And it's probably not depreciated much recently either......happy.
You run two S's?
@@0-Will-0 baller
112k is basic for a basic car nothing special about that😂 when you hit 400k be proud other then that sound like you over paid
Hi. I'm looking at buying a model s and would look to connect with these guys.i haven't looked as just on comments.what is these guys business name so I can .ake contact? With thanks.
I still have my 2014S and still love it. It's slow on SC but I charge up every night at home. Don't have all the bells and whistles, but so much fun to drive.
Im in Australia, I've got a mint 2015 Model S 70 RWD. Premium package, with leather, alcantara on the dash, high fidelity audio, Enhanced Autopilot, airsuspension and lighting package. It now has 104000km on it. It has been the perfect roadtrip car for us. We've driven from Brisbane to Tasmania and back, which about a 5500km round trip. I only spent $11 on charging, because Tasmania doesn't have Superchargers. The rearwheel drive is quieter and nicer to drive than the AWD. A little bit more involved. And it has double the frunk space. Mine has MCU1 with the SD upgraded to 64gb. Will keep this car forever. There aren't many original shaped Model S' in Australia and it will keep appreciating. We're getting a used Model 3 LR alongside as soon as the Y hits our shores at the end of this year. When that happens, our S will be parked in the garage during the week and only go out on weekends and roadtrips.
Bought my 2015 MS85 used last year, and it currently has over 220,000 km on the odometer. Runs very well, thanks to having had its battery replaced under warranty at around 200k km, so I've calculated that the usable capacity is 75 kWh, which easily gets me over 450km now that the temps are higher. Drives like a dream on long journey, especially! Yeah, it's got the usual Tesla issues (*ahem* door handles), but even fixing them out of warranty saves me so much money that I don't have to spend on fuel.
my second hand 2014 Model S with 520k kms that i've owned since 500k kms have been amazing for the past year ownership, best car ever period
That’s some good mileage 💪
original battery?
@@chad9711 changed once in the middle at 250k, it is free under the 8 years warranty and around 9000 euro out of warranty
@@matjaro 9k sounds very low, are you sure it is only that much?
I find your videos on the model S very helpful. I plan on buying a used one in 2023. Free supercharge, no road tax (in my country) every quarter, comfort of model S instead of a spartan ride of a new small car, and the feeling of safety. One thing I have to get confirmed is what another RUclipsr said about the model S. They are made with aluminium and have less rust than a model 3. Important in countries that use a lot of road salt in winter... Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences.
Got my 2014 model S p85 from you in late October (great customer service, thanks), done over 6500 miles since and compared to old Avensis at 42mpg, have saved over £1k using just the free supercharging. Putting the saving into the MCU2 later in the year. Another great video
You made my point,what you save on gas,will be put into a expensive repair. I'm missing the cost savings here? I'm not a hater,I hope you will have 500,000 trouble free miles!
@@kv1930 it is not a repair. This is basically me wanting a better infotainment system than standard which is still working fine. So could do without. Therefore is saving and no repair.
@@amyroberts8340 oh sweet!! I think buying a used Tesla is the way to go!! I'm also glad you have free supercharging! Here in the States,if you buy a used Tesla from Tesla the SP does not transfer!!
@@kv1930 same here, that's why you should buy private or through a dealer such as RSEV
@@amyroberts8340 I agree! Please keep me posted on your Tesla!!
2014 Model S 85 RWD with 275,000 kms. Saves me over 1k per month in fuel. So far I've only had minor issues. New charge port, window regulator adjustments, but all work I've been able to do myself. Still love it! Best purchase ever. Glad I got the RWD it's just so much simpler and easy to work on and only one drive motor to worry about. No Autopilot. Less complication and 30% of my charging is Free Supercharging. Road trips take way longer but the drive is so nice and it's free. I spend my money on meals instead of gas.
I have a Model S from end 2018 with free supercharging. Love it. No issues whatsoever and driven 130k kms.
I have a 2013 Model S with a little less than 150k miles, still going strong! Only expenses include MCU2, ceramic, & tires.
‘15 Model S 85D here. Just about to pass 330.000km, original battery and DU. Works wonderfully and the free supercharging is such a blast these days.
Really interesting and informative video. Your standards just get better and better without a hint of 'RUclips' cliche.
Yes, please try not to be influenced by other influencers, when doing your influencing Richard!
brilliant video.
I fell in love with Tesla in 2012 in a shopping mall in the US when I set the very first time in a Model S (was one of these now rather rare 60kWh Battery pack versions if I remember correctly). was far out of my financial reach but flashed me. took me only nearly 10yrs to get one and now a Model 3.
The used Models S are still quite expensive but it is a cool car.
paid about 11k eur for my used 2016 model S with 82000km on the clock and zero issues . would not call that "expensive" and thats a normal price for them here in norway, been around this price for the last 2-3years now , mainly the cars older than 8years where the battery warranty is gone out . all EV comes with 8years / 160k km warranty by law as a min req in norway so as soon as thats out the prices drop FAST
@@MSPstance same car would costs 4x that here
@@tesla-spectre do you live on the moon ?
@@MSPstance not that I know... 😎 why?
My old P85 2014 had an 85kWh battery but I think useable battery was about 72kwh and acceleration 0-60 4.2 secs, ny 2017 S75 has 75 kWh battery and 72.5 kWh useable, and 0-60 4.3/4.4 seconds. The 75 is lighter. Both RWD which I love, also had a model 3 RWD.
Love my model S best car I have ever owned .
I’ve heard that from the many Tesla owners I’ve asked over the years. Now I find myself saying the same to others asking me about my 2022 Model 3 Long Range.
Love my old 2015 70D. . I've put just under 35,000 miles on it in 2 years so nearly at 99,000 miles now and averaged 303w/m over that time. . Off to Monte Carlo in it next week. 2000 old miles there and back for free. What's not to like 👍👍👍👍
I've had an S85D from new in August 2015 (the first "non P" 4 wheel drive car in the UK). 153,000 miles later and a new "brain" in December 2021, it's still a fantastic car, with free supercharging when I need it, although it's much slower ti charge than it was. I'll keep it until next year, and then consider changing for a new EV.
When u bought the car did all you do is make your Tesla account and put it on the car and it still said free superchargering ?
Hi I am in Northern Ireland & purchased 2014 model s p85 signature fully specked with only 28000 miles ( now 35000 on it) and love it,I really enjoy watching all you useful videos on the model s keep up the good work. Roy
My own p85+ signature red that I used to own also ended up going to Ireland…!
I have the P85, 2015 with all the extras, had it 4 years bought direct off Tesla, still with 2 year warranty, and to be honest haven’t really used the Superchargers much. I like the back wheel drive but sometimes it can be a handful with all the power in the wet. Still looks great and is immaculate, but was looking to change to a model Y, but finding it hard to make the step to get rid of it as I like it so much.
I have a 2016 S70 RWD. Finding it hard to switch to a Y because it is so fun to drive, sound system, space, and FSC can’t be beat. The slower charging is a bit annoying but getting it free gets rid of the annoyance quickly. Bought it from a private seller with 62k miles 10/21 and has 91k miles now. No issues and drive amazing. Feeling blessed. My wife is driving a Y and she loves how the S drives. Great video 🙌
amazing how Tesla's 8 year old tech is more efficient than todays German EV's !
More efficient but zero comparison on build and material quality in my experience.
@@Sam-tx1tn not so good but zero is harsh. Remember Tesla are less expensive, faster, loads more space, better tech and more efficient. Model Y overall package in a different league to a EQC imo.
@@relaxnchill9335 current Teslas are mostly pretty good. I was talking about earlier cars. The quality just wasn’t very good.
8 year old tech from 2012 being compared to them just starting is bad. I think you have to wait before comparing the two.
you wish
It's been nearly 10 years, and my early 2013 Model S 85 has over 160k miles and about 90% battery capacity... Powertrain still drives like new. Free Supercharging is nice, but we never use it. It's going to be replaced with a new Model X because I want my wife and kids to have AEB, lane-keep, and other active safety feature of the newer Autpilot-capable cars.
Why did you never use free supercharging? No chargers around? Since it was a big deal in the time...
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 We live in San Carlos (Tesla's founding city) here in the SF Bay Area, so they are everywhere. There is a Supercharger site just a few blocks down the street... It's still *way* more convenient to charge at home. 1 or 2 seconds to reach over and plug in. We also have 3 kids, and who would want to wait around for the car to charge regularly with kids in tow? Plus, home charging is like 75-80% savings over buying gas back with gas was $4/gal, so we really don't feel the need to make that 100% savings... The difference is even greater now, obviously.
We do Supercharge when doing road trips -- we used to do 6-7 trips per year to Disneyland. We haven't done that in 3 years (due to the pandemic). We will be doing a trip in a couple of weeks, but we're going to be taking the newer Model 3 Performance because of Autopilot and FSD. My Model 3 is one of the very first Performance cars built by Tesla and is early enough to have had free Supercharging included, but I gave up free Supercharging for $5k rebate during the Performance price-cut fiasco -- although I gave it all back buying FSD (missed the $2k offer). Even paying for Supercharging is worth the convenience of Autopilot and FSD on a road trip... My Model S is so early, it doesn't have Autopilot... it doesn't even have ultrasonic parking sensors... heck, it doesn't even have power-folding mirrors... It's among the first few thousand cars produced at the beginning of 2013.
I think comparing 11 years of Tesla especially when we are in the same generation is a bit bad. I think to determine the uses and value we need to wait a bit longer because I think the problem will be the same as an iPhone when your tech becomes too outdated rather than your battery degradation.
I had 2014 model S 85 since half 2019 and sold it in Dec. 2021. This was the best car ever from driving experience + free supercharging saved me 4000 Euro, no road tax in Belgium and completely issue free ownership. I have a 2021 model 3 SR+ and I love it for all that new tech but I miss my model S. I hope one day I will be able to afford new version of model S since it is fantastic machine :).
James Cooke has a 154,000 mile Model S and he did an update video the other day. He loves it.
Another great video an 8 year old EV that has done over 100,000 miles and over 250 mile range. Absolutely kills the ideas that EV's can't do that and need new batteries.
The quicker we can educate the general public the better!
I tend to stop after 2 hours driving as ready for a break and charge at that time, usually 30- 40 mins and it is easy.
Also I live 16 miles round trip from my petrol station and this could take anything from 20 to 40 minutes to get in, 10 mins to fill and pay (after queueing) so a loss of over an hour in general to fill the car up. Now I can arrive home with as little as 10 miles range, plug in my home charger (30 seconds) and go to bed. When I wake up I have over 220 miles range (at 80%). EV life is easy!
Nail on the head with that final comment. I’ve put it to people before, is your time really worth that much? It’s similar to trickle charging at home on solar for free. The car is sat there all day charging at 2kw, if I had an ICE car it would also sit there. Difference being at the end of the day I got a full tank for nothing.
This RUclips-channel deserves many more subscribers!
Thank you so much for this! 85 vs 70D is a big consideration for many Tesla shoppers today, including me. Perfect timing!
Another great video Richard
Extra distance counts, means eachrome 2 hours easy at 80m h,130km/ h, then relax and charge eating resting 45min and go again
I have a Tesla 90D 2016 model owned it 5 years Done 350.000 miles with normal wear and tear and still on original battery
Great reliability and free charging
I have a Model S Long Range (100 kWh) from september 2019 with free supercharging (not transferable)! In some months of that year all S's en X's came with free supercharging to boost the sales. It now has 148.000 km on the odo, 99% of it by supercharging (degradation only 4,5%). Lately got 156 kW peak on a new V3. Last week I covered exactly 400 highway km with 85% of the battery capacity. I will drive and supercharge this dream car untill it's so broken that it can't be fixed anymore.
Had my 2016 S90 from new full spec air suspension , auto pilot . 335,000 later still going great had replacement battery at 200,000 . Been running a chauffeur company for 25 years most reliable car I've had. Best of all free supercharging.
I have a May 2015 85D with 111,000 miles. About 5 or 6% battery degradation. Titanium metallic, tan interior with alcantara, AP 1.0, air suspension, sun roof, next gen seats, MCU2 upgrade. Best car I have ever owned! I’d love to get a new car, but I can find anything I’d rather own (for the money, anyway)!
we have almost the same car. i also did the MCU2 upgrade. Would anyone here or you Mr. Symons trade my 2015 85D Titanium Metallic, Gray Next Gen seats , Black Alcantara (have dash included), MCU2 Upgrade, Very Factory like Center console, Free Premium connectivity, Free lifetime supercharge, 3rd row rear facing Seats, Basic sound system 46,807 Miles for 2020 Black on Black Model S long range plus 15,000 miles $87,000.00 ?
Rare exterior color!!!!
Actually, according to abrp, the battery degradation is only 3.8%.
i have a 2015 85d with 190,000kms and shows 400kms on full charge, it also has free supercharging. I recently went from Orleans to near Geneva approx. 600kms with a guy who had a diesel car both leaving at the same time. it took 15 mins longer in the Tesla as we charged while eating, so not a big difference in time for a saving of about 80 euros each way. We are lucky as we have free charging at work, so my fuel costs are very, very small, I bought it cheap at a car auction a couple of years ago and it is still worth what I paid for it. I have had 2 door handles and mcu2 upgrade as my old MCU1failed, i have also had ccs upgrade which is well worth the money, I also fixed water in the rear light myself took a couple of hours, and cost a bit of glue.
Ive run a P85 RWD Pearl White 19" Black wheels Cream interior sunroof delete Model S from new now 125,000 uk miles wow its still such a lot of fun. Now Ebay is featuring OEM parts like front discs £40 a side and pads at £22 the front pair DIY routine maintenance just adds to the free for life supercharging. Got a Plaid and Roadster or order but why would I! Update140,000 miles still having fun, plundered Ebay every time I see a bargin basement pair of suspension parts I fit them at my own leisure, wow what a difference. The RWD cars especially the performance cars mess with the wubbery bits in suspension so what is not a MOT fail when replaced with new makes the car drive so much better, well worth doing if you can weild a spanner.
Excellent video. Yes I would stand around for 40 minutes, in the freezing cold, in my underpants, in the dark, on my head, and save 100 quid. Flipping sure, but no need. I'll go in store, grab a coffee and watch an Rsymons RSEV video on RUclips instead.
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Super video, full of facts, super nerdy. I can’t explain why this is my favourite RUclips channel, but it just is. Thanks Richard and team.
So good I bought the car (70D) 😂
Time is money, so I will keep my ice cars for as long as I can but I will have a Tesla model S in my driveway soon. I have room and requirements for my 2 ice and 1 EV. Here in Victoria Australia our state government makes EV owners pay 2.6 cents per kilometer driven so EV's are taxed here. There is currently a high court challenge to remove this tax. Your channel is superb and helps me to make my decision on which Model S to consider for my driveway.
22:33, I Happen to have moved across the road from a supercharger, which is next to my gym and supermarket. Also have a fairly long daily commute. Free charging on an older tesla while picking up groceries or working out seems extremely attractive.
Great videos on the cars Richard. I’m playing catch up with the catalog. I run an s85 with 135000 for my daily drive with all my tools rack out and ladders on the roof. 2015 with free charging. What a car.
Just did a 1,700 mile round trip to Switzerland in an S75 (single) in 30C to 38C conditions with the AC blaring out all the time. The trip was a dream, superchargers worked great, car worked great, super responsive when required. I think I "sold" a few Teslas also en route when speaking to folks who asked about EVs/Teslas in general also!!! Unless you want to spend 10 to 20 hours dehydrating yourself or p155ing into an empty bottle then time spent charging is perfectly acceptable... time for coffee, chill out, check emails, book the eurotunnel... make some calls, chat "Tesla" to fellow geeks ;-) if it works over a 1,700 mile trip it defo works for folks daily 20mile commutes. Keep the great vids coming folks.
I had my 2016 75 Model S since new with free supercharging. Still look forward to driving it, still turns heads here in Melbourne Australia and I regularly drive to Queensland 1300 miles each way 99% on autopilot and free all the way. No servicing costs either. Could not think of a more perfect car.
Remarkable, to be honest. Both cars are at or near the end of their battery warranties yet will be fine for another 8 years and more. Not forgetting that battery chemistries have improved well since these were built with their 18650 formats. Both achieve better efficiency than my year old VW ID.3, as well. 250 mile cars all day long. 210+ in the winter, I would expect. Cheap to run premium cars.
Last April I bought a 2016 facelift S70 with 117k and now 12k later I can tell I don’t feel bad about it well actually I am obsessed with it the way that my wife is getting jealous!😅Range haven’t changed 194/244miles, since the energy price hike I use only free supercharger as I live 5 min away from one. I only charge it from 20-30% to 50-60% and only charge it higher if we go anywhere further.
Only thing I spent on it was a CCS upgrade and recently they changed the eMMC and made the frunk latch easier to close both free.
I had a 2017 AWD loaner for 10 days and it was a joy to drive my RWD again as it has a better steering feel. It’s advisable to put the steering to sport mode on motorways.
Personally I save roughly £2500+/year not buying fuel.
My only complaint about the 2016 MS is that it comes without the repeater cameras and sentry mode which would need MCU2 upgrade. I bought two repeater on eBay from Model 3 and I can tell it is compatible, all Teslas using the same repeater, and now my S70 has a newer sleeker look. I “upgraded” one more thing I bought a 2channel LTE BlackVue dash cam so now I got my “sentry mode”!😅☝️
I have to mention that last year I took it to Richards to re spray a few wheels and they had a look and fixed one of my door which was keep opening, it was something with the door handle mechanism.
Ever since I keep a RSEV sticker on as an ethereal gratitude for their excellent service.🙏
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How are the repeater cameras working? I have MCU2 and would love to add the cameras to my MS early 2016. @Dan GR. Thanks for commenting and sharing.
Amazing video - in fact it was so good that I bought the car! I am currently doing about 1300 miles per week and my expenditure has gone from around £225 per week to £0. Even after the finance costs I am still about £400 per month better off.
It was a no brainer.
Thank you Jo, Amie, and Richard.
Congrats, enjoy!
Better off from what?
In 2019 I ordered a S - LR but during the online ordering process I became suspicious that my data was being compromised. (It took months to restart my bank accounts etc and I deleted the order.)
I re-ordered and when my car arrived as a 2020 model I was delighted to see it came with free supercharging! They must have been unknown to me doing a promotion for a short time, perhaps to clear stock. So I have a 2020 S- LR Raven with original owner-only FSC.
So you are not absolutely correct in the description of the eligibility. Great video though!
With the current lead times for MY Tesla, increasing I did look at the Model S (older) as an option and your website. This video was great at providing some answers. Can you stop doing them as I am trying to do reports and keep wanting to watch your content haha Thanks and keep them coming!
own a Tesla Model X Year 2017 with unlimited charging!
unfortunately I imported the car to Brazil and here we still don't have a Tesla supercharger
But one day it will come!!
Congrats for the Vídeo !!
Cool a Model X in Brazil 👏🏼👏🏼
Here in Norway we have an excellent infrastructure in place with over 8000 chargers dotted around the country and 91% of all new cars sold are electric.
Personally I enjoy free worldwide supercharging & internet connectivity with my 2014 Tesla Model S but if I chose to upgrade to a new Tesla I can transfer that to the new vehicle at no extra charge.
You can pick up a 2014 Model S with free charging for around £7500 just now after the big price drop on new models.
I purchased my car! Every option available from new and all Tesla upgrades: 2015 S P85D with ludicrous and every option available. I am so happy! It is not the range it is how you feel during the trip and nothing delivers like a Model S. If you have to stop more often, more time to talk to people curious about the car and to get your head in order....
Even without the free supercharging the pure day to day running cost of an ev is undeniable. With octopus it costs me £45-£50 a month to do around 1600 miles in my e208, compare that to my cooper s and it’s £250 - 270. It 100% make sense FOR ME.
planning to buy a 2014 P85. nervous and excited equal measure. your videos are worth their weight in gold. even though that makes no sense.
I did some calculations when I bought a 2017 Model S at the cost of "saving time" by buying fuel ... it worked out at about 25 gbp per hour.
Heaven only knows what it would be now.
Great way to think of it. Will work out a “current” ⚡️ equivalent
Re: your question at the end...As an ev owner, I charge at home over 90% of my charging... If I take a total time spent gassing up when I had an ICE vehicle over a year and the time I spend at public chargers, I'd say I'm still way ahead since I'm never put out over my home charging time. Most cars spend most of their lives just parked anyway
Yep good point. Add up all the time stood at a pump watching your money pour away. We have a pickup truck at work and it always annoys me spending the time getting fuel when I’m usually in a rush
I remember when you were at you're old place (next to the petrol station) and you let me drive a red model x. one of the best experiences of driving ive had!! just wish I could afford a Tesla, I hope they will come to Motability one day 🙏
Can answer the if you had to wait but your fuels free question now. I will wait thank you. And thank you to Serge Gints and Jo for there parts in buying my P85D all that I hoped and more and so far free motoring.
I just bought a 2015 70D with Free supercharging and it is such a incredible deal haha... I specifically looked for a older one that was AWD and had free charging.
I purchased my 66 plate Model S 90d from you 18 months ago (stunning Matt silver wrapped). Free supercharging is such a bonus, especially on an 800 mile trip through France!! Interested to see your economy on these cars around 250-260wh/m. I struggle to get under 300 even when trying to drive as economically as possible. I do have the 21inch wheels so would that be a factor? Was starting to think a 66 plate was ‘getting old’ even with just 36,600 miles on the clock but this video suggests there is a lot more life left in these cars still today. Realistic range on my S is around 200 miles which in real life experience isn’t an issue. Apart from a costly failed heat pump cooler which was a £1300 repair from Tesla the car has been fantastic. Considering a CCS upgrade and MCU2 upgrade, do you feel it is worth the investment on those early Model S cars? Great video and looking forward to seeing more from these older S’s
I bought the 70D that was in the video and have done over 10,000 miles - saving a massive amount of money compared to my previous ICE car.
I am currently sat at a supercharger having left Exeter with 98% charge, drove for 3 hours 40 minutes, travelled 212.4 miles and arrived with 8% charge left. Had I continued driving I would probably have got just over 230 miles from a car which is rated at 220 miles. 56.6 kWh and 266 Wh/mi.
Very impressed and so glad I bought it 😊.
My S85 had 71.5kwh usable @ 80k miles when five years old. Now, three and a half years later its still running strong around 67kwh usable battery. Enjoying RWD a lot, lots of long SUC road trips ;) No commuting at all.
I have a model s performance since december 2019. We got free supercharging as well which is really nice and we drove 130k km without any major issue.
When I get a question regarding charging my reply is:
Would you go out and charge your phone fast or rather charge it at home but slowly? It is the same for an EV!
When you are on a trip, how would you charge your phone? Probably you would charge it overnight at the hotel. It is the same for an EV!
Do you charge your phone at work occasionally? It is the same for an EV!
We only use Superchargers when on a road trip and to be honest, it is much better to take breaks in every 2-3 hours, than sit tight for 5-6 hours in one go. The rest is charge at home overnight on Octopus EV tariff.
Just got my first Tesla model S - 2014, nice nice ride!
Yep Have a S85 Sept 2014 build w/AP1 (Tech Pack with Free Supercharging) bought in March 2018 with 20,000kms as one of the last APO cars in Central Australia. we got another 4 years warrenty which has just run out and used it as my work truck, tow small trailers, I drive to Ayres Rock biYearly and Adelaide and Darwin 1000mi once a year, great to fit the spare in the frunk and have added 22kw and MC2 with 4G and CCS2 conversion..but no Superchargers for 1000mi! so only SC maybe 10 times! lots of country KS
.Just ordered a model Y and tossing up the change??
I've got a Tesla model X registered in November 2018, I didn't realise the free supercharging wouldn't transfer. Not that I'm looking at selling it for a good few years anyway!
Brilliant vlog and comparison ? Have they upgraded the Pompey superchargers ? Were always dreadfully slow back 2.5 yrs ago. Best bit was the bouncy road going to them. Lol. Best wishes
Love your videos. I live in the US and watch you all the time. Maybe next time I visit the UK will reach out. Lovely videos
🤗 do come and visit!
I have the tesla model s 85, economically its the best car ever… but some things bother me with this car, like the car quality is horrible (german car build in 1999 could be less worn than my car). And my horn stopped working, LTE works sometimes, three doorhandles dont come out when i push them and bad quality in tail light (water comes in).
If it's under warranty you can fix all the issues for free from tesla service.
Great Information 😎😎😎🤟🤟🤟 Just bought 3 weeks ago a 2015 Tesla Mod S 70D Executive Edition (with rear bucket seats ) …a rare Blue Bird, I call her
…… 💜💜💜Beau from Laguna Beach and … Loving my new buggy 💕💗💫✨🌟🤟🤟🤟😎😎😎🏝️🏝️🏝️
Thank you for discussing the topic I've been watching YT all day for (Free Supercharging for Life). (1) I now understand the car's time frame December, 2016 or earlier (Ordering)... meaning a 2017 model year MIGHT have it. (2) But also that if it every went back through Tesla's hands, it'll be removed. (3) That dealers or people may be deceptive in their advertising of this feature. How does one go about confirming a specific item has this on it or not? Does it show on the screen? Can a VIN check be done? Does it have to be taken to a Supercharging station and try it out? And how would I verify this from hundreds of miles away from the dealer?
Also have an model s85 from 2014 mine have everything in ekstras and have now driven 578 000 , and i only Supercharge. I only pay for power if it is absolutely necessary ( and it have been like that since knew)
I have a 14 ms 60kw original battery still autopilot 1.0 just hit 141k miles
Great comparison video - as always, guys... You really know exactly what your audience likes to watch. 😎
That explanation of which cars get free Supercharging and which don't was, on the face of it, dead easy - a car ordered before the end of 2016 - but, oh boy, WHAT a fly-in-the-ointment complication that issue was if the car had been latterly sold on by a Tesla Approved Used outlet...!! 😲
Surely, there must be some software 'flag' that could tell a prospective buyer whether or not a car has the free Supercharging option...? 🤔
S70 2015 Free charging 120k miles running great
I really like your videos, but can I make a suggestion? You often talk about figures but it would be really helpful to add more overlay graphics to your videos so we can see the comparison easily. You do do it sometimes, but nowhere near enough. It makes it hard to appreciate differences/similiarities
Getting paid £100 to have a relaxed coffee break (something we should probably do anyway on long journeys) doesn't sound too bad to me.
If I had test driven a springs S I would not have bought my 75D. Air is a major upgrade over springs👍
We have a 2014 p85 with 164000 miles and still going very strong still get over 220 on a full charge with free super charging ect
2012 Tesla model S I love it just wish it had autopilot P85 123k miles
I'm more and more sold on these. The trouble is still the initial cost for us although we both drive < 3 year old petrol and diesels which is ramping up in cost! My work do a salary sacrifice scheme but its a wait of a year for the car! Maybe second hand ev is the way to go
I highly recommend the upgrade to MCU2 in the 2014 Tesla Model S, you have to wait 30 to 40 minutes? Well time for your tv show thanks to unlimited free charging and free data plan.
As always first class reviw of 2 amazing cars really wanted a S but BMW gave us such a good deal on a new i3S when mentioned second hand Tesla S 😊 Still would like a Tesla S definitelytly a classic of the future 😀 price may go up?
Spend 30-40k on an 8 year old car with 100k miles that has no warranty, most mechanics won't touch, you can't buy parts for and costs a fortune to insure so I can save a few hundred a year on fuel thanks to a benefit Tesla can remove any time they fancy. Some proper man maths there 😅. Great car though and a great video.
I just bought one today. Rock auto even sells parts for them. Normal wear and tear. Suspension and brakes
Can't even get radiator for it
30-40 IS LESS THAN AVERAGE (CAMRY,ACCORD) FOR A FULLY LOADED CAR IN 2023... WHEN YOU CAN GET A HIGH PERFORMANCE ELECTRIC VEHICLE WITH A LOT OF LUXURY FEATURES?
@@Devdidthat hopefully loaded Camry is going to be brand new though, don't forget about that.
A used 2014 model s should cost around 30K or less. I don't think people are still buying these to save money on gas, that's just a perk. It is a pretty nice and comfortable car to ride in, extremely spacious, and if you're a tech geek you'll love the electronics. They're mostly reliable and have significantly fewer points of catastrophic failure so maintenance should be pretty low.
That rear parcel shelf on that car you picked would drive me mad 🤯👍
I forgot to flap it back over… was in my mirror all journey 😂
@@RSEV 😂👍
I don't have a problem with it @RSymons RSEV as i always fold it back 😂
Brilliant Vid, very informative!!
The elder car for old people. Owning a Tesla from 2013-2014 is like using an iPhone 6 in 2022. You can still use it for some stuff. SC free is nice, but charging time is horrible. A charging curve below 100kW at a SoC of 60%? U made my day. Big car for big dreams, still usable between 20% to 70% SoC if you have enough time and be flexible to wait 50+ minutes. The usable part will decrease year after year, with increased costs to keep this old car running. With no guarantee from Tesla for the car, the HV battery, the battery management system, the MCU1 (a lame duck, missing a lot of features). A lot of cars without activated Autopilot1. If its not cheap, its wasting your time and money.
Congrats on getting to 50k subscribers 👏🏼👏🏼 love this channel
Free fuel sounds like one of those ‘too good to be true’ stories, except it is actually true!
Bought a 2015 S85 with just 19k on the clock in Feb. Not the cheapest S but even still has that new car smell lol
My first was a 2013 S85. Sold it to a friend in 2020 when I got a MS LR+ for the additional range. However, it was just as Tesla was dropping free lifetime Supercharging (again, though not transferable if I sell it) so I got in under that wire AND $5000 off MSRP under a Tesla promotion (imagine that now). 6 months before I sold it they had dropped the Supercharger kW but later that bumped back up to close what it was when new (around 90 kW peak). The 2020 in theory can peak at 200 kW however I've never seen it over 185.
How much would a new battery cost out of curiosity or motor, chances of anything failing due to the age? Great video
Still confused as to whether a model S has free supercharging or not. Pre 2017 cars had it but might not depending upon xyz. All as clear as mud and easy to get duped as a buyer. Isn't there a way to check?
Great video and thanks for explaining the end-of-2016 rule... but any tips on how to tell if a car actually DOES have the free supercharging, and it's not been stripped off it or not transferred in some way? For example, if I go on Autotrader right now there's a 2014 S85 for £29,895 with 143k miles on the clock and it says Free Supercharging.... how would I know for sure that if I bought it, it would transfer to me and there's not a pitfall? Thanks!
I saw that too.
But it still a pretty old car for a lot of money.
Lots of things to potentially go wrong ..
Excellent video 🎈☝🏻❤️. Point missed… RJ14 car efficiency obviously seriously impacted by extra weight carried on frunk bonnet 👀🤣
This will be a good review
Great video mate 👌
Great explanation! Thanks!
Great analysis.. thank you.
looks good now but ranges will reduce more in the future you don't really want to charge on the way to a job or meeting.
My brothers S85 2015 battery recent failed at 230,000 miles, the battery was replaced by Tesla under warranty (only had a little bit of warranty left) the cost would of been £16,000.
And he will drive the new battery up to another 300k miles which is a super bonus.