Haha yea I went deep with this project. The core idea I still use a lot though. Get all your chops out onto one program spread up & down the keyboard. It makes the sequencing and programming really fun! :)
Excellent video, thanks for the work you've put into this stuff. You can have as many samples as you like in an instrument, but only 256 slices (so this can be addressed with the Sxx command). Using Sxx without a note has no effect though.
Hey Renoise! Thanks for the comment. I saw the Twitter link also! :) I've gone over all the reasons why I love Renoise so much in my most recent vid. Hopefully, it will help anyone on the fence give the program a go! ruclips.net/video/8dO57Lygflg/видео.html
Thanks so much man. I love Renoise and jungle too! Trackers are epic once you get over the initial learning curve. Stick at it and I guarantee you’ll be banging out wicked breaks out of Renoise in no time at all! ✌️
Amazing man, I always learn something new with you, afaik you're the best channel doing production and tutorials with Renoise. Keep up the good work. The Gate to tempo workflow, I don't know how I haven't thought of that before, nice and easy!
Thanks so much Moloko, nice to hear from you again! I was the same, I felt like I'd 100% done this all before but never really understood what was actually happening to the slices!✌
Great tips. Another similar method we used to use is take the break, slice it up either in recycle or the waveform by hand and map it to a midi keyboard from the sampler. Then you can trigger different slices of the sample via the keyboard. That way you can get different variations, timings and feel of the original breaks. It’s a method the Garage boys like Todd Edwards uses. Loads of tiny slices of samples mapped to a midi keyboard, Todd used to just play the sounds in time to the track and he’d have all his slices tuned to the right key. Again, I know I say this a lot but we didn’t have DAWs like this back in the day and it was all done by hand on a hardware sampler. If you were lucky enough to have recycle that helped! 😅 Great tutorials though 👍🏼
Yea for sure! You've actually stumbled right into what i'm working on for my latest video! (Todd the God 👀) I've been studing his record chopping techniques which are so unique and must have taken forever to do on old hardware samplers jesus! ♱ I just love the way he's taking hits from loads of different records and pitching them all around to work togeather. Such a dope artist! Cheers dude - appreicate the comments ✌️😊
@@groovining there’s a few RUclips vids of Todd explaining this process with his trusty Akai S6000. It’s more fun and random to use samples this way but you can use virtually any kind of source material from classical to jazz, rock etc to get small snippets of sound that gel together to make the tune. We made 2Step Garage tunes like this years back as well. I’ve still got Gigabytes of those kinds of samples from back in the day. Believe me it’s great fun! 🤩
This is absolute gold mate! Taking chopping to a level that’s unique & creative. Can imagine this working with melody lines, percussion loops etc to add dynamics to a tune. Great great vid!
Thanks Matt! I'll get back to your email shortly - Just sorting all the caves audio this weekend. I like this technique a lot. I agree, its a really intresting way to bring life to any repetitive sequence. In some ways its a little like comping, where your cutting together slices of different takes to make a better whole. What I also find intresting about this technique, is that your kinda reverse engineering the process of making music. Rather than coming up with cool break variations from scratch using automation etc, You already have them all created after you record the live fx sequence. You then just have to solve the puzzle of putting it back togeather! It's like you don't really have to think too much, you just try differnt chops out until something works. All the raw ingredents are already there. ✌️
Cheers Razzileful! Renoise is really incredible for breakbeats and drum work in general. It has a bit of a steep learning curve but if your already comfortable with Ableton you would pick it up pretty quickly. Let me know if you have any questions :) ✌️
The Sxx Command is cool. I actually love rendering out the slices and using the Sxx command combined with the Backwards command. You can do really cool timestretch FX, Reverse FXs per Hit of the break which is super dope!✌️
Ahh amazing technique!! getting those variations with fx macros and resampling takes it to the next level. well done for unpicking & explaining some of the Bizzie stuff too. Cheers
Thanks so much Greg! Yea, It's actually a really fun technique and you can make these super complex sounding Paradox/Genotype style breaks without acutally having to do crazy processing later on! ✌️
awesome stuff mate, you communicate the concepts really well - I've learnt more here about making jungle in a few weeks than I have in the last few years!
Cheers Mark, I really appreicate the positive feedback! Even from this video i've gotten heaps better with the presentation and production of my vids so I hope i can keep it all going! Big ups✌️🥷
Yea for sure - things are a lot easier now! I actually bought a Akai s1000 a while ago so can fully appreciate the effort chopping breaks takes on these things :) ✌️
Thanks Aaron, I love going down the rabbit hole with these techniques also. Just reading a llittle segment from an article can trigger a whole load of exploration. Renoise is the best! ✌️
This is probably the video I've got closely to that. I'm sure Dillinja had a fairly similar process to his Amens. He definitly did some layering, espeically on the kick also. ✌️ ruclips.net/video/XOMHtp9Fpv8/видео.html
Nice one, bro. If you wanted an even more generative approach to triggering the processed amen chops, you can layer all of them together in the keyzones tab, then select "random" as the overlap mode. Make a rhythmic phrase, and there you go! Infinite amen variation. 🤘 Check my renoise generative techniques video if ya like! ruclips.net/video/mW3UCLR3m1Q/видео.html
Hey MrZensphere, fellow Renoise RUclipsr! Love your channel bro. So interesting seeing all the advanced synthesis stuff you can do in Renoise! Keep up the good work!✌
Also dope idea for a technique. Would be super cool to create lots of duplicate versions of the amen slices with subtle variations to layer on top of each other with that random mode. Say 4 versions of the same slice all with subtle variations. Kinda like round-robin samples but for longer passages!
@@groovining thanks! Yes, there's a lot of interesting advanced techniques we can do in renoise, even if it isn't always as straight forward as it is in other DAWs... But, that's part of the charm, I guess! Dig your videos, too, man. Great stuff & very through. Cheers 🍻
Anyone know if or how the MPC2000XL could do the akaizer style time stretch method? Afaik it can only do the zones/slices method. Bit klunky and limited. Wish the 2000XL can do what renoise could do!
Oboviously the old Akai samplers like the s950 were the original source of the timestretch. I'm pretty sure its not possible on the MPC2000xl. What you could do is resample between the MPC and Renoise and use both tools together for the best of both world!
OKAY Brother I need your help again. Ive watched all these videos 2-3 times and ordered your sample packs but im still struggling. At 22:42 in this video you import the new chopped samples from Logic. When I do this, instead of each sample playing on each key, each key just pitches the samples up and down. Then after that if I just go to the editor I don't have the option to randomize notes. I feel like im not even working in the same DAW sometimes.
@@christopherdasconio8022 Are Phrases turned off? Did you hit 'Drum Kit' to spread out all the samples across the keyboard? It's late now but I can help more tomorrow :)
@@groovining I twas actually a button that changes pitch on or off for eac key I found that needed to be turned on for each sample. I did that and it switched it back to each sample on each key. I still cant figure out how to randomize though. I can find the randomize option when I right click in the edit screen but nothing happens. Have you ever updated your Renoise or do you still use the older versions?
How do you speed up the midi version of the amen in logic??. I’ve rendered it to the new sampler in logic but I cannot get it to speed up can anyone help please
Set your cycle length to 2 bars. Then cmd + alt + L to stretch the midi to fit the cycle range. You can also hold alt and stretch the right hand bar of the midi region but it docent always lock correctly.
Without a doubt one of the absolute best pages for jungle prod on Renoise going. Thanks for all the guidance and inspiration!
Thanks so much, dude! I'm gonna try get another jungle orientated video out soon! ✌
got into some serious ned rush style tutorial near the end with the randomization lol so fire
Haha yea I went deep with this project. The core idea I still use a lot though. Get all your chops out onto one program spread up & down the keyboard. It makes the sequencing and programming really fun! :)
Excellent video, thanks for the work you've put into this stuff. You can have as many samples as you like in an instrument, but only 256 slices (so this can be addressed with the Sxx command). Using Sxx without a note has no effect though.
Hey Renoise! Thanks for the comment. I saw the Twitter link also! :) I've gone over all the reasons why I love Renoise so much in my most recent vid. Hopefully, it will help anyone on the fence give the program a go! ruclips.net/video/8dO57Lygflg/видео.html
bro, just got renoise and this channel is amazing for learning about jungle and chopping. lfg
Thanks so much man. I love Renoise and jungle too! Trackers are epic once you get over the initial learning curve. Stick at it and I guarantee you’ll be banging out wicked breaks out of Renoise in no time at all! ✌️
Amazing man, I always learn something new with you, afaik you're the best channel doing production and tutorials with Renoise. Keep up the good work. The Gate to tempo workflow, I don't know how I haven't thought of that before, nice and easy!
Thanks so much Moloko, nice to hear from you again! I was the same, I felt like I'd 100% done this all before but never really understood what was actually happening to the slices!✌
Amazing and inspiring! Your explanations are perfect
Thanks so much for your comment Nick!✌
Great tips. Another similar method we used to use is take the break, slice it up either in recycle or the waveform by hand and map it to a midi keyboard from the sampler.
Then you can trigger different slices of the sample via the keyboard.
That way you can get different variations, timings and feel of the original breaks.
It’s a method the Garage boys like Todd Edwards uses.
Loads of tiny slices of samples mapped to a midi keyboard, Todd used to just play the sounds in time to the track and he’d have all his slices tuned to the right key.
Again, I know I say this a lot but we didn’t have DAWs like this back in the day and it was all done by hand on a hardware sampler.
If you were lucky enough to have recycle that helped! 😅
Great tutorials though 👍🏼
Yea for sure! You've actually stumbled right into what i'm working on for my latest video! (Todd the God 👀) I've been studing his record chopping techniques which are so unique and must have taken forever to do on old hardware samplers jesus! ♱
I just love the way he's taking hits from loads of different records and pitching them all around to work togeather. Such a dope artist! Cheers dude - appreicate the comments ✌️😊
@@groovining there’s a few RUclips vids of Todd explaining this process with his trusty Akai S6000.
It’s more fun and random to use samples this way but you can use virtually any kind of source material from classical to jazz, rock etc to get small snippets of sound that gel together to make the tune.
We made 2Step Garage tunes like this years back as well.
I’ve still got Gigabytes of those kinds of samples from back in the day.
Believe me it’s great fun! 🤩
you're a wealth of knowledge for a Renoise noob like myself...thanks
Cheers Peter, I am a little obsessed with the program so that helps!😄
arigato sensei, much fun to be had with this one!
Arigato gakusei. This one is good also if you into Drum techniques and FX - ruclips.net/video/vaaf1x_-xfc/видео.html 😊✌️🚀
This is absolute gold mate! Taking chopping to a level that’s unique & creative. Can imagine this working with melody lines, percussion loops etc to add dynamics to a tune. Great great vid!
Thanks Matt! I'll get back to your email shortly - Just sorting all the caves audio this weekend.
I like this technique a lot. I agree, its a really intresting way to bring life to any repetitive sequence. In some ways its a little like comping, where your cutting together slices of different takes to make a better whole.
What I also find intresting about this technique, is that your kinda reverse engineering the process of making music. Rather than coming up with cool break variations from scratch using automation etc, You already have them all created after you record the live fx sequence. You then just have to solve the puzzle of putting it back togeather!
It's like you don't really have to think too much, you just try differnt chops out until something works. All the raw ingredents are already there. ✌️
@@groovining No rush dude! You've really inspired my workflow that's for sure.
Fantastic tutorial! It really sold me on Renoise as a tool for making breakbeats, even though I have Ableton alreeady
Cheers Razzileful! Renoise is really incredible for breakbeats and drum work in general. It has a bit of a steep learning curve but if your already comfortable with Ableton you would pick it up pretty quickly. Let me know if you have any questions :) ✌️
Great video. Would be good if you could reference the Bizzy B links to in the description.
I usually just go with the S-command but all these slicing features can be pretty convenient
The Sxx Command is cool. I actually love rendering out the slices and using the Sxx command combined with the Backwards command. You can do really cool timestretch FX, Reverse FXs per Hit of the break which is super dope!✌️
The replacement method is really interesting. Destructive resampling and then swap out the samples is genius!
Thanks Daniel - Explored another cool Drum Replacement technique in this new vid also you should check out! - ruclips.net/video/VQZcTa11G50/видео.html
found this on reddit. Excellent tutorial
Thanks dude - welcome to the channel!
Ahh amazing technique!! getting those variations with fx macros and resampling takes it to the next level. well done for unpicking & explaining some of the Bizzie stuff too. Cheers
Thanks so much Greg! Yea, It's actually a really fun technique and you can make these super complex sounding Paradox/Genotype style breaks without acutally having to do crazy processing later on! ✌️
wow mate this is insane! learnt so new much here
Cheers mate! Renoise is so creative like this. Need to get back to this technique and give it another whirl! 🚀✌️
So much new*
omg this series is soo good man, thanks so much!!! this ep was amazing!!!
awesome stuff mate, you communicate the concepts really well - I've learnt more here about making jungle in a few weeks than I have in the last few years!
Cheers Mark, I really appreicate the positive feedback! Even from this video i've gotten heaps better with the presentation and production of my vids so I hope i can keep it all going! Big ups✌️🥷
Sik. Shedding some light on Amen techniques.
Thanks Bro - gotta love them breaks!✌️
Thank you for giving all these secrets away :)
All good my friend! Happy to share :)
in the 90s it was Soundforge > Recycle > Floppy disk > Akai sampler...........was work in them days
Yea for sure - things are a lot easier now! I actually bought a Akai s1000 a while ago so can fully appreciate the effort chopping breaks takes on these things :) ✌️
thanks for nice tips!
Cheers mate! Glad you enjoyed.
Big Ups G man !
Cheers Legend! :)
That end was going. Awesome
Cheers mate! This was actually such a fun technique to mess with. I need to do this again! :)
always stellar my man :) keep up the good work!!!
Thanks bro, nice to see you around still! ✌️
thanks for these vids there a great help. love the experimentation side of things
Thanks Aaron, I love going down the rabbit hole with these techniques also. Just reading a llittle segment from an article can trigger a whole load of exploration. Renoise is the best! ✌️
Would be great to see if you could try to get the sound of Dillinja's Amen for another tutorial.
I have tried and failed :)
This is probably the video I've got closely to that. I'm sure Dillinja had a fairly similar process to his Amens. He definitly did some layering, espeically on the kick also. ✌️
ruclips.net/video/XOMHtp9Fpv8/видео.html
Another excellent tutorial! Much appreciated, brother.
My pleasure, Thanks for the kind words!✌
Amazing video, keep doing great work!
Cheers dude! Glad you liked this one. Lots more coming this year ✌️😊
This is realy good info thx bro
Pleasure dude - thanks for all the comments! :)
Thank you.
All good mate! Cheers for the comment, glad you liked the vid 😊
Nice work mate!
Great tutorial as always, thank you! :)
Glad you enjoyed it/them! ✌
Brilliant ! Thanks
Thanks bro!✌
that's an impressive tutorial ! 👀
Cheers for support dude!✌
Nice!!!!!!!!!!
This is great dude
Thanks Moses!✌️
Sounds like grain style interesting 🤔
Renoise fam here
Yes yes!
Nice one, bro. If you wanted an even more generative approach to triggering the processed amen chops, you can layer all of them together in the keyzones tab, then select "random" as the overlap mode. Make a rhythmic phrase, and there you go! Infinite amen variation. 🤘 Check my renoise generative techniques video if ya like! ruclips.net/video/mW3UCLR3m1Q/видео.html
Hey MrZensphere, fellow Renoise RUclipsr! Love your channel bro. So interesting seeing all the advanced synthesis stuff you can do in Renoise! Keep up the good work!✌
Also dope idea for a technique. Would be super cool to create lots of duplicate versions of the amen slices with subtle variations to layer on top of each other with that random mode. Say 4 versions of the same slice all with subtle variations. Kinda like round-robin samples but for longer passages!
@@groovining thanks! Yes, there's a lot of interesting advanced techniques we can do in renoise, even if it isn't always as straight forward as it is in other DAWs... But, that's part of the charm, I guess! Dig your videos, too, man. Great stuff & very through. Cheers 🍻
@@groovining yes, exactly. A lot of potential mayhem here 🤘
Anyone know if or how the MPC2000XL could do the akaizer style time stretch method? Afaik it can only do the zones/slices method. Bit klunky and limited. Wish the 2000XL can do what renoise could do!
Oboviously the old Akai samplers like the s950 were the original source of the timestretch. I'm pretty sure its not possible on the MPC2000xl. What you could do is resample between the MPC and Renoise and use both tools together for the best of both world!
OKAY Brother I need your help again. Ive watched all these videos 2-3 times and ordered your sample packs but im still struggling. At 22:42 in this video you import the new chopped samples from Logic. When I do this, instead of each sample playing on each key, each key just pitches the samples up and down. Then after that if I just go to the editor I don't have the option to randomize notes. I feel like im not even working in the same DAW sometimes.
When I say pitches the samples up and down I mean two notes down is halftime. I can't figure out what's happening.
@@christopherdasconio8022 Are Phrases turned off? Did you hit 'Drum Kit' to spread out all the samples across the keyboard? It's late now but I can help more tomorrow :)
@@groovining I twas actually a button that changes pitch on or off for eac key I found that needed to be turned on for each sample. I did that and it switched it back to each sample on each key. I still cant figure out how to randomize though. I can find the randomize option when I right click in the edit screen but nothing happens. Have you ever updated your Renoise or do you still use the older versions?
Do you rate The Chord Wheel?
Never used it! :)
Where da busy video cuz bro
No quite sure what your asking?? ✌️
the phrase sampler never made any sense to me seems more logical to just ppunch in the notes or just render the slices to new samples
I agree. I only really use it for Timestretching FXs these days but it does have its uses.
Renoise was good DAW. To bad that project is over. No support, no updates for 100 years.
Yea, the slow updates are frustrating but I think its still a fantastic DAW. From Drum Break programming in particular is such a great tool. ✌️
@@groovining ->"its still a fantastic DAW " I completely agree!!!!!
How do you speed up the midi version of the amen in logic??. I’ve rendered it to the new sampler in logic but I cannot get it to speed up can anyone help please
Set your cycle length to 2 bars. Then cmd + alt + L to stretch the midi to fit the cycle range. You can also hold alt and stretch the right hand bar of the midi region but it docent always lock correctly.
@@grooviningthanks bud