Bruce Prichard shoots on Vince Russo's bad ideas
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The Brood's blood baths were awesome.
Yeah. I Wondered Where Could All That Blood Come From. Then, Also At The Same Time, I Realized That The Blood Was Fake. Just A Few Years Ago, I Found Out That The Fake Blood Is Made Of Syrup & Red Food Coloring.
The brood is such an underrated & underappreciated faction, in my humble opinion. They were awesome.
They were done for the second that they spoke. Edge and Christian weren't ready yet and Gangrel wasn't the right front man. Amazing idea and execution for what it was.
@@sese6227 The visual of those guys rising from the ground surrounded by this ring of fire is still pretty awesome.
Yeah idk why Bruce didn’t like that
The oddity’s “reshaping the industry “ I’ve literally heard it all now lol
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing when he said that LOL
They were cool though
“The blood baths with The Brood.”
Why was that a bad idea by Russo? I think everyone thought they were pretty cool back in the day. Pretty sure I saw Gangrel say that them coming up through the stage in a ring of fire was a Russo idea as well. Without those 2 things I doubt The Brood would have been half as cool.
Because when it comes to sheep, they do what is "cool to do" and the thing that is cool to do in wrestling is say all of Russo's ideas are bad.
Anything with the brood other than have them talking was a good idea. I can agree with you that whatever he said about that bloodbath and brood idea was bad is bs.
Russo is a spitballer when it comes to his ideas and he bought into his own BS. Russo was only great because he had people far more experienced than him telling him no to his awful ideas as evident from the fall WCW and how he completely destroyed the validity of TNA after forcing Cornette and Jarrett out.
thelinedrive TNA’s highest ratings were under Russo so that’s BS.
Also the whole “McMahon filter” thing is just nonsense. After Russo left WWF within a couple of years there was an old woman birthing a hand, Triple H having sex with a corpse, a leprechaun being Vince’s son, Lita carrying Kane’s rape baby....where was VKM’s famous “filter” then?
RetroRyan86 that and there theme music was the whole gimmick to me. I dont even remember any of their matches. Just their entrance and the blood baths
This podcast got me through tough times, working shitty jobs to get back on my feet. So the sound of the beer can opening, that guitar riff, and hear “WELCOM TO SOMETHING TO WRESTLE WITH!(sumthin’ to wrestle with!)” just hits special for me.
Can we talk about Bad ideas? Like WWE creative in 2019 that Bruce is apart of.
Facts
pwned
Why do you watch if it’s that bad?
@Lyle Chipperson and yet you still watch?
True but he had more good vs bad…look at Russia track record. He pretty much buried TNA and had some really bad ideas in WCW.
the broods blood baths were awesome
Yeah I disagree with Bruce on that, blood baths were bad ass
I agree i lived the brood's blood baths were so awesome
WCW ones sucked though.
Having grown up watching Florida Wrestling in the mid 70s, Eddie Graham 's ideas were surprisingly consistent and tasteful in comparison to the more modern crash tv style of hit and miss booking.
I think the Dude Love character worked because he was so relatable. Few of us would have minded having the looks and talent that Shawn Michaels had.
We have all wanted to be that good-looking hero at times.
The thing that worked for Dude is that he always fought his own battles and never needed a 7 foot bodyguard..
the broods theme was awesome I wish they would have done more with the brood
At least y’all are fair. You give Russo credit it’s not all one sided. Great podcast guys.😊
Vince Russo had hit or miss ideas, Prichard’s ideas consisted of kissing McMahon’s ass and making him laugh by berating talent.
To be fair he is also the main guy behind the undertaker and Kane
Everyone has good ideas and bad ideas especially of you spend so much time doing it
Shawn was right it should have only been Rock vs Austin
I always heard HBK and HHH had told Vince to make it Foley vs. Austin. They hated the Rock.
@@vincesmith2499 at the time it was impossible to ignore the fact rock was a star
We have a guy who's 6'7 400 pounds and a sumo champion, NCAA wrestler and a also a former main eventer. Let's put a bumpy mask on him and give him a doll
I actually think he was closer to 300 pounds at the time. LOL
John Tenta was a very underrated talent, I think.
When is the Brother Love on a Forklift match
Bruce Prichard oversaw the Katie Vick angle and he dares to talk about other people bad ideas? LMAO maybe Russo was the McMahon filter all along
he clearly said that everyone has bad ideas, he was just sharing his thoughts on Russo's.
Bruce is always pretty willing to admit when his ideas are clunkers, but he's explained in detail how he thought the Katie Vick angle went to far and was overruled by Vince.
In another interview Russo said he did not create goldust but he wrote all his parts . I believe it was an interview with . Stone cold .
I have to be honest. I was a huge Stern fan, and I always loved the Whack Pack...on the Stern Show! They had NO BUSINESS being anywhere but in the stands at any WWE event. That was a horrible idea, and I bet if anyone did not already have a bad feeling about Russo, a lot more did afterwards. As they said here...total slap in the face to the boys...not to mention..a nightmare to deal with...did they not even take a little listen to why they are called the Whack Pack? lol. They disturb, disrupt, and generally cause chaos! They were usually either drug addicts, or former addicts, alcoholics, or otherwise lacking full mental faculties...I really agree with Cornette's assessment of Russo.
Foley was actually one handsome fellow, if you look at the early pictures. I don't know if he would've got over as a groomed superstar, but if he debuted as Dude Love with a shaved face and with the body he had back in NWA-WCW, it could've been taken seriously instead of a comedy gimmick.
Not with the name Dude Love
I'm glad you find him attractive. Anyways....
Some of these 'bad' Russo ideas weren't so bad. The bloodbath were cool for a while. The oddities were fun and uplifting. And how Bruce said Vince killed Val Venis, insinuating that means that it wasn't a great idea, is funny because I can't even think of many WWE storylines that aren't just killed, or characters that change or evolve. WWE hasn't had an ongoing storyline or something to invest in and enjoy over a period of time since this era. Most storyline and characters are just bland, stale, or end at their next ppv.
Hhhhhhhooooooold on. Dude love was NOT born after that conversation. Resurrected maybe
Facts
While Russo certainly has his flaws and had many bad ideas, there’s no denying that he changed the industry, and most people, even those that hate him, agree that he was largely responsible for bringing in the more adult oriented and edgy content which ushered in the Attitude Era. I think only someone from the outside had the ability to do this and it’s made all these insiders from the territory days like Bruce and Cornette painfully jealous. These guys are so entrenched in the old days and tradition and lack an understanding of the real world that they would never have been able to come up with the ideas Russo had and it must have killed them when the company went through its biggest boom period ever largely off the back of Russo’s writing.
With Russo everyone on the roster had a character and had something to do. That is sorely lacking in the WWE today.
Andrew Dunn agreed
What do they have to be jealous of? Russo takes full credit in the Attitude Era, acting like Corny, Bruce and Patterson weren't still involved in creative. In the end Russo had a job for 2 years, Bruce had one for 20+. And it's just wild to think he was such a creative genius, without anyone else helping or filtering anything, that he couldn't replicate even a fraction of that success in the 14 years he spent writing in other companies.
Sorry Bruce. You don't say
You're working in 2019 and Raw is the shits
Vince Russo's 'bad' ideas drew 10 million viewers every week. He gets a pass
Significantly less options on TV to divert from Wrestling and he had a well spring of the most charismatic superstars of all time. Being in the right place at the right time isn’t skill it’s dumb luck. And that has been proven at every stop he has made since leaving WWE from shutting down WCW and destroying TNA’s validity as a secondary promotion.
Mike R I was describing Russo so yeah.
Russo's ideas drew nothing. He needed a filter. Without a filter, we saw what he did in WCW. Stop it.
Val ran from 1998-2002 or so before switching to his actual name. That's a solid 4 years as a character, and had multiple comebacks under the gimmick in the mid-00s.
I don't know what they were expecting. That's SO much time compared with most other wrestling gimmicks, especially for the time where you would have characters like "Key" or "Just Joe" show up for like a month or so and disappear.
This is definitely a case of Russi conflating his perception of external societal pressure with the naturally short lifespan of a crazy wrestling gimmick
I've got to give props Russo for sticking up for Foley.
Props? Talk like a human
@@TL2354 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You're weird.
@@TL2354 you know damn well that its the 21st century now and there are other beings other than humans dwelling on the planet right?..
Russo didn't create Goldust. He shot his vignettes. Goldust was created between Dustin/Vince/Bruce in a meeting between the three.
We all know Goldust is Vince McMahons gay alter-ego when he was with Shawn
Bring back the Mean Street Posse...
Facts
Russo has a point about outside forces leading to Val Venus losing his spot. RTC was the last stand for val Venus and godfather.
Russo was a bad idea
How did you edit down Russo's bad ideas to 9 minutes?
Worst idea I’ve ever heard by anybody was Bill Ding The Evil Architect
Loved those interview segments with mankind and goldust because they were both entertaining and unfortunately...informative. You see...I hadn't picked up on who they were.lol. And yeah I had seen both on more than one occasion. So I'm openly admitting how stupid I was during my days as a fan. Dustin probably not as much as cactus. But it was still a surprise. Made me rethink my opinion on Mankind especially. Had initially loved the idea of another horror gimmick coming in. Until they got him over at the expense of the established horror gimmick. It soured me on the character. Finding out the guy had been around changed things.
If I had to pick between the two Vince's. Not even close would trust McMahons track record.
The title should read "Bruce Prichard shoots on Vince Russo's ONLY ideas."
he looked sleezy hahahahaha xD so true, that dude did look the part
Isn't this a re upload?
Yeah
Yeah because fking STW is so dead
They need Russo's image and name to get views
We all LOVED The Brood and their blood baths
If times were different and had Sean Morley come up with Val Venis on his own, he could have been a God on the independent scene.
I looked at Val's character as almost a spin off of Rick Rude but in the end you still have that limit. You can't transition a guy as a knock off.
3:48 🤣🤣🤣 I'm laughing so hard right now, thinking about Cornette saying "Russo's Jerry Springer horse sh*t" and how "Russo wanted everything to be trashy!" 🤣
Val Venis had limitations on where you can go, unlike the Red Roster. You can hit the main event with that piece of business.
Russo was great at keeping storylines current in pop culture.
Yoooo yoo Pritchard...
When UR done doing the J.O.B out there for BeetleJuice imma need U to bring my bags out 2 da bus
Blood bath was super over.
I don't see why they couldn't put the world belt on Val Venis.
To this day, I can say without irony, that Dude Love was my favorite "Face of Foley." I just liked him best.
In my opinion, there were actually 4 faces of Foley.
Dude Love and Cactus Jack were two of them. I say that there were really two versions of Mankind.
You had 1996-1998 Mankind who wore that brown outfit, pulled out his own hair during matches, and hung out in boiler rooms.
Late 1998 and all of 1999 saw a very different Mankind. The tattered dress shirt, the new entrance music, the comedy stuff like Mr. Socko, teaming with the Rock, etc.
My favorite face of Foley was the original incarnation of Mankind. 1996-1997 in particular.
The brood's blood bath wasn't a bad idea . It got pops and was a cool concept .
I think Val Venis would have been better just being Sean Morley and playing a sleazy heel. He had a good look and could talk.
Wasn't the attitude era just one of the many influences of the howard stern show in that period? Almost everyone was copying Howard stern in the mid/late 90s. These edgy contents peaked and then it all collapsed with the rise of internet content in 2000s. Would attitude era have emerged and existed without Howard stern? No. Neither would MTV. In the end, the internet ended up killing howard stern, wrestling and MTV. Nothing is more edgy today than the dark alleys of the WWW.
Why is it only Russos bad ideas only ever get shit on but every writer for the last 20 odd years never gets mentioned? Wen Russo was writing for wwf it was the best time and the numbers prove it
Russo gets a lot of grief but wwe just does terrible stuff every week now, permanently.
Meanwhile Bruce has run WWE into the ground since his return.....🤷🏻♂️
He's just a sychophant
So right to censor were portrayed as annoying bad guys, but at the end of the day Vince Mc wanted what they wanted.
This channel has better topics
Vince Russo sees himself as the wrestling Jesus martyr.
I'm not saying that they "reshaped the industry", but The Oddities were awesome! I looked forward to watching them every week. Seriously, just go back and watch any one of their matches and there's no denying that the crowd was hyped for them. ICP was great too.
"We all know that Vince (McMahon) had some bad ideas" So Say We All
HELLOOOOOO LADIEEEES
I love your name lol.
@@Whasteen CHOCOLATE TITTIES!
The oddities were great.
The hell they were.
I always skip the intro
The intro is awesome!!! :D
Me too
Lol Bruce isn't going to say anything bad about Vince McMahon. At one-time Howard Stern was a huge star.
Russo's ideas are generally so bad, he makes Prichard look like a genius... it's why Russo isn't in wrestling and Bruce is.
@Regicide Again with giving Russo sole credit for the Attitude Era. STOP IT.
Pritchard Vince McMahon impression isn't impressive I mean he was around him for decades. !
Prichard
In wwe when they did the pillman wins Marlena story was taken from wcw which I believe was a Russo idea when ddp was feuding with johnny b badd aka marc mero where ddp said if he lost then mero would get Kimberley
DDP did actually have that match where the winner got Kimberly and mero ended up in WWE so mero was replaced by the booty man AKA Brutus Beefcake who was brought in to replace mero on the roster and beefcake booty man went over in the match winning kimberlee and there was a loser leave town stipulation too and afterwards they shoot segment with DDP as a homeless handler washing windshields and ripping people off . The whole thing was awful in every where. I cant imagine having to put booty man beefcake over in the mid 90s . Arn anderson had to put booty man over top and he did not look one bit impressed having to do so . The look of disgust on Anderson's face while beefcake was doing his booty man antics was very telling and priceless. Anderson had to put him over by being pinned after a running knee to the head . Arn Andersen lost with a knee to the head after being one of the greatest workers in biz for years.
The likes of Prichard are quick to shit on Russo having the Whack Pack and ICP on Raw (it did suck btw) but that’s a drop in the ocean compared to the years of C List celebrities as “guest GM’s” long after Russo left but while he was still around. Remember when the boys had to sell like The Muppets were real people? Far more embarrassing.
Raise your hand if you liked all of those ideas...🖐
Russo was a moron
Pritchard is a old school ass kisser.
@@apostolostvable perhaps he was and still is a moron. But he tapped into the psyche of a whole lot more morons on Monday nights than anyone has managed to do in 20 years.
I like how Russo talks about how in the beginning people were laughing at him and asking why is he helping with creative. Like today he is remembered as a creative genius lol
By...who, exactly?
He's literally persona non grata with Everyone he's ever worked with and he destroyed two of the three promotions he worked for.
@@MoxyOh Clearly Vince Russo says that Vince Russo is a creative genius.
@@MoxyOh that's not true. If you give me a rebuttal I'm just going to throw facts at you.
@@terranceburrs5832 minus top marks for giving me a notification on a comment from *four* years ago to try to defend Vince Russo.
Weak shit, bro.
@@MoxyOh huh
Fact: The booking in 1998 WWF was ten times better than the current booking in the WWE.
Give me Russo over whoever is writing today's crap any day.
So why do you still watch?
Would you take Russo's ideas in WCW and TNA over anything today? Or just the year he takes full credit for that went well?
Did u know Bruce writes some of today's crap??
He had a few good ideas I guess - but only when reigned in by Vince - he had a bad attitude and horrible decisions in WCW
Mania 15 should of been Rock vs Austin vs Mankind 3 way match and also Taker vs Big Show
Should have
She pooted
I hated dude love. Just dumb
Val Venis had the BEST vinyetts!
"Hellloooo Ladies" he was so over he became the heel when cheating with Japanese girl.
"Choppy choppy your peepee!"
lol that was great, but yeah agree with Bruce here I couldn't see Val ever becoming WWF champion. He was good as a European champion (and maybe intercontinental, I can't recall)
Who's career did the Brawl for All ruin? Steve Williams? Hell, you can only pretend to be a tough guy for so long!
Brad Nimbus Steve was just past his prime at the time. He was a legit badass at Oklahoma and earlier pro wrestling career.
Everyone from the guy who won it to the numerous guys who suffered injuries. Terrible idea that made no money.
Savio Vega suffered a career ending injury, Steve Blackman and The Godfather both got injured too.
@@andrewdunn5568 What? No he didn't.