Should reinforced roof hatches come to Rainbow Six Siege? Operation Shadow Legacy
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- Should reinforced roof hatches come to R6 with the release of Operation Shadow Legacy? This is what Ubisoft is asking the R6 Community and I want to hear from you! Does the addition of reinforced roof hatches add to the game or does it create another annoying obstacle for the defenders? And if it does come to the game, should it come from the existing pool of reinforcements?
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I think it should be deployed by defenders, because it feels like a free utility sink.
I agree, but how are they going to do that? The animations and such don't make sense. The reason I think its a good idea is because otherwise defense has no way to counter people coming through the roof
I should finish watching the video before I comment, I agree with Senator
Agreed
@@johnvale9337 I can agree with that, too.
Not sure I agree with the new health pool system though.
There's definitely a gigantic shift in how a lot of operators are going to work. Little worried about Thatcher especially, because in my experience he's the only operator that's more or less dedicated to what he does.
@Runar Pettersen True, but Ubi should still stick to the world they created, the animations show that you can't just throw a reinforcement onto a hatch, because it's a heavy metal wall, thats what I meant when I said it should make sense.
It can give hibana more play, which she desperately needs, it will give play to the new Hard breach gadget, and more play to kaid, I don’t see too much problem, they should only be reinforced when defense is top floor, and if they are top floor, it removes reinforcements from their pool
Made A Comment Similar To This But I Think There Should Be An Option Like I Said In My Own Comment.
I don’t really agree with the change... defenders already have the advantage and I don’t think we need to give defenders even more of a advantage. Also I think making a change that would overall hurt attack just to make more ops/gadgets viable isn’t the right way to balance it.
Let’s say your on kafe top floor attack and the hatches are are Reinforced and Electrified by a kaid. Your gonna have to use two thatcher EMPs or two of Kali’s lances, then use two hard breach tools. I feel like it’s just a big utility bust and would really hurt attack on some of those maps
Reinforced top hatches on a map like Kafe makes it to where you NEED a hard breacher to make a solid push, where before, Kafe was similar to coastline where a hard breacher wasn’t a necessity. There are already so many maps that NEED hard breachers that I think we don’t need more now, although I still believe it’s good for hibana, there’s so many other ways to buff/fix her current state.
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As a hibana main i think this would make her more viable after being beaten to the ground with all these new updates, from ace, to the new hardbreaching gadget
Fr then imo give her like 2 more charges
No what she needs is the ability to destroy shields because if ashes soft wall beach can do that it makes no sense that Hibana's X-Kairos can't.
As mention in the video the game is already defense favoring with all the utility don't give them free utility to make her fill less nerfed. Instead ask for her to actual be buffed.
Christian Mooney and maybe also give her the ability to choose how many pellets she can shoot out, like 6, 3, or 2 pellets at a time
I say give her more fidget spinners
But it really limit Hibana destruction capabilities. Usually I would create a vault hole and a long angle, but with reinforced roof hatch, I would have to give up one of them, which is a pretty big deal imo.
I think that it would be nice that hibana would become more relevant through this
It would still make her situational though
100% agree
Apple Tek Support Ash, Zofia, Jäger, IQ are also highly situational like Hibana then?
The Hard Breachers aren’t situational when you need at least 2 for almost every map! Hibana is the most situational Hard Breacher because she only gets hatches and most of the time you need only 2 hatches a job that Thermite or Maverick can fill. Let’s say we’re on bank where Hibana could be brought and Thatcher is banned, your not going to risk bringing a Hibana when you could play Maverick and bypass anything.
Apple Tek Support Let’s just agree that Hibana should have 5-6 X kairos and a 5 extra bullets in the magazine
Bad idea: fuze won’t be able to rain he’ll from above
Good idea :fuze wont be able to rain hell from above
@@turkey2143 yes
In every map there is like 2 hatches and most of the times they are in bad positions for fuze
Pulse wouldn't be able to bring the thunder from down under
I agree with Bill. I play as Pulse while defending, and these hatches are very helpful to go faster under the objectives.
Put the reinforcements on specific maps. So it’s not busted on certain maps,
That wouldn’t make much sense
Agreed
E0NS3RV0 XA why?
Banyas Beans official It wouldn’t really make much sense to put the reinforcements on specific maps and leave them out on others for no reason
Or even some of the hatchets but not all, such as cafe
As other pro players have said, this makes defenders even more powerful in an already defender-sided game. On some sites the most vital pushes for attackers are limited and a hibana/utility destruction is 100% necessary.
I don't want a new op that does this as people are suggesting, that's such a boring piece of kit that would be a waste of a new op. You should get the option to have them reinforced but it comes out of the pool.
Another idea is to have "extra reinforcements as a secondary gadget, and these could be used on hatches from below or on walls as usual. Only one though because it'll become too much.
This
Also, if they were to make it as it is rn into the main game, I think they should be made non-electrifiable. Just because if it were electrifiable there is literally no way to clear that utility
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I think this is a setup to give Habana a forth set of X-kairos, and they won't do it unless there are extra roof hatches
Stephen Creates why doesn’t just get 4 sets
I Think That Is Should The Roof Hatches Should Remove From The Loot Pool Like You Can Pick An Option When Picking A Site Saying: "Reinforce Roof Hatches? -however many hatches they're are" But I Don't Think It Should Go.
Maybe it could be that defenders can throw roof reinforcements somehow. That way they can choose, and also can make it come out of the pool
@@NotABot-px7ky So you say WE NEED A LADDER OPERATOR or I'll do you one better for Fuze mains WE NEED A LADDER OPERATORS FOR BOTH SIDES
Give oryx the ability to jump up on the hatch spider-man style and reinforce the hatch.
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There are more than enough options for attackers to bring hard breaches. 4 hard breach ops, and plenty of ops with the new gadget. I think that having roof hatches reinforced is good. However, I think ubisoft should instead make it so you have to manually reinforce it yourself, taking from the reinforcement pool. giving defenders 2/3 free reinforcements is not good.
I like the idea of a whole attacking team with dedicated hard breachers/gadgets it only seems fair that there’s a drawback, Also with the Thatcher rework and the Introduction of Zero Attack seems like it’ll be in a comfortable spot.
I don’t think it should go live. The game is already defender sided so we really don’t want to give them even more advantages
The demon Cat but zero seems to be a bit op
Penthouse on coastline would be so much better
I did a poll and 65% said no and only 35% said yes.
My issue with it is it makes the game even more defender sided than it already is. The issue is for this to be viable they eould have to make the hard breach secondary really common. The issue with that is that would be incredibly unbalanced as it is a powerful gadget and should only be on certain ops. The only way I could see this working is a new op that has a passive that they can reinforce 2 roof hatcher (which comes out of the defensive pool), other than that it would be broken.
Or make it a universal thing with all defender ops. They can somehow get up to the roof hatches to reinforce them from below. That way it's not a new op that's totally boring, and it also comes from the reinforcement pool
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its like u said this would just make the game more defender sided and i dont like that
BTW what the hell is that ACOG on Hibana, year 1 buck anyone?
I think the hatched should be reinforced but you aren’t able to kaid them. That way it would let you play in a room with a hatch but on the other hand the attackers don’t need to waste a thatcher or kali. Just an idea that in my opinion would make it more balanced
I kinda don't like that as a defender you can only reinforce hatches above the site only if you are not on the top floor. Therefore i think it would be ok as an option if it took the reinforcements from the pool.
I honestly hate the idea
I think they should just remove the secondary gadget
There should be an operator who has stronger reinforcement and who can reinforce the hatches
They added the secondary hardbreach to free up team composition
Yes it makes it so much better for defenders and u usually carry a hard breather anyway
Yeah hard breathers have bad breath so they open the hatch easily ;)
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They should make it so oryx can reinforce roof hatches.
How should that work?
@@hbrtoni414 he can jump up hatches so they can add some sort of animation for him reinforcing one!
@@eoj457 dont know how that animation would look like. He is still not a spider that can glue himself on the hatch
@@eoj457 dont know how that animation would look like. He is still not a spider that can glue himself on the hatch
No no no no no no no no
Ur discoed is toxic
It sounds like a good idea but it is useless because u just wasted 2 or more on hatches and then u got to reinforce site and there could be a wall not reinforced so that means a ash zofia can open obj faster I just think that it would be useless and better off just being in test servers but again I could be wrong
It's reinforced from the start. No one loses a reinforcement.
Is a good idea to be honest
I think it’s a bad idea, how would they be able to reinforce it before the game, they would be too busy
no they are pre reinforced
They’re making game so that it’s a lot more competitive and I’m not a very competitive player so it is kinda steering me away from the game
They're making the game able to be more competitive. If you don't want to play competitively, you don't and won't have to
NO
Having them reinforced you will an operator that can gardbreach like hibana thermite or ace if you wanna go in through the roof and not everyone has those operators so i dont like the idea if they are gonna implant this in the public servers they should do it in ranked and unranked only
Having it only in unranked and ranked seems flawed. New players playing casual will get used to not needing a hard breacher on certain maps and the transition into unranked and ranked will be annoying for them and anyone who has to play with them as it’ll make less new players play hard breacher (as there would be less need if top hatches are unreinforced in cas). Plus, thermites like 1000 renown. Plus the new hardbreacher gadget. There’s really no reason for not owning a heardbreacher...
@@NA-et7yh oh yeah forgot about the new hardbreacher but still i wouldnt like that in matches
This hardbreach update is fucking stupid because now we have to substitute an op for hibana. she will use 2/3 of her gadget for previously unreinforced hatches sledge, buck and maverick could previously get. Also if you have to substitute flash bangs or breach charges for the new hard breach device you will have less utility to deal with defenders giving them leverage cuz you can’t burn ADS, you can’t nade maestro cams, you can’t play vertical, you simply can’t do shit. I think an alternative would be to give the defenders an option to reinforce hatches during the pick phase and if the majority vote to reinforce hatches (on kafe for example) your team would now have 8 reinforcements instead of 10. Because giving the defenders 12 reinforcements is such a utility soak.
People who dont want the hatches why? Do you want the game to become attacker sided? The problem isnt reinforcements its bullet proof gadets and the amount of jager and wamai. They can add the change and give defenders 12 or 11 overall and give the option to get hatches, also the hibana buff pls. Then make stuff bullet resistant like a frost mat. 25 dmr bullets for a maestro cam would be nice. Make it 7-8 for Kali and 12 for glaz. The exact numbers dont really matter. They can also take away 2 magnets and 1 ads form wamai and jager. This will lessen the need to for jager, ash, and zofia while increasing glaz, kail, and dmr pick. I imagine lion would make it back into the meta with his 417 dmr and secondary hard breach, at least on coastline
This global buff to all defense in the entire game shouldn’t be on the table to make an obsolete attacker, my most played operator Hibana useful. It’s absolutely not worth giving the already favored defender side such a free no skill required advantage just because Hibana has been power creeped out of the game.
Give her 5 XKairos and make them have better gadget clearing. Let them destroy Mira windows and Shields. Operators are swapping out their frags to destroy stuff for the new breach tool so having Hibana have Mild utility clear and mild hard breaching will put her in a better spot.
It’ll make her Zofia, but on hard walls and defender utility.
It's dumb imo. I mean looking at statistics, defenders have a higher win rate overall. They don't seem to be struggling. So why give them reinforced outside hatches coupled with the fact that some of them now even get a 1.5x scope. I know the attackers got the breach tool, which I also think is dumb, but I really don't think defenders needed buffs like these.
Hey senator, I love ur vids, I have 1 thing to say, when u were talking about needing a thatcher, hibana, ace and mav, I think u forgot about secondary breaches, which will balance it cuz it's on like 8 ppl, so I feel it's necessary
Hm well because they’ve added this new hardbreaching utility I feel like they could reinforce hatches on roofs. However, I don’t think 1 hard reach device is enough so adding an additional hardbreach on certain operators (so they would have 2) would save utility. Then again, this would just complicate the game and more changes would be needed for the balancing of the reinforced hatches so I would say just leaving them soft is the best idea at this point
Hibana selective fire and an additional set of pellets. There you are its balanced. Now just like bank my stack would ban hibana because getting all the hatches was problem for lockers. Now you can make that decided pick for that one specific thing.
If hibana is available then your good. If not then therm thatch capito amaru and monty still get 5 possible Reinforcements.
As a hibana main who really likes fuze, this is just confusing. Because 1. Yea nice hibana buff, but 2. Oh god fuze cant go through those hatches
My oppinion is that this is not very balanced, because if you have a plan of coming through the roof a bit further from the site, like that you would have to waste one or two hard breaching stuff, like two selmas, or one thermite charge, etc. I think that hard breachers should be used to open walls and angles on obj, instead of being wasted on a hatch. In this manor, a lot of plans would go back to the drawing board, for example, a verry good strat me and my friends have is that one goes Thermite, one is Thatcher, one is Nokk (usually me,thank you for showing me how amazing she is) one is gridlock or nomad and the last one is zofia or other great soft breachers like buck, ash, sledge, etc. This strat would be ruined because of the hatch thing.
All in all, i dont think its that of a great idea.
(Srry for the comment being long.)
makes it even harder for nokk to sneak into the map (already difficult), and makes hibana and kaid must-picks on all maps with roof hatches, but makes some areas of the map more playable for defenders, so 65% bad idea, probably wouldn't do it, maybe on certain maps, or being able to throw reinforcements onto hatches, so it's not free utility
Now this could be a way to mitigate both having them reinforce hatches but not make it too powerful.
You only get 1 reinforcement for hatches outside on roof. It does pull from reinforcement pool. You do get to decide which hatch it goes on. Limiting the defenders to only having 1 to help them on attack. But also it makes sure for those who don’t want it taken from their pool, and mainly for those solo queuing, that they still have a decent amount left to reinforce inside the building.
Another solution is you don’t have the new reinforcement update (10 per team). And keep the 2 per person. And instead a reinforcement is taken someone from someone’s stack. And that person can decide if they want it taken or not. This can help a Roamer who wants to get to their spot to set up quicker.
I don't want a attaquer favor meta tho...
But I won't lie I just don't think it a good idea (kinda remove one of the only benerift of bringing a DMR on attaque.)
I think it should stay but only if the hatches are relatively close to the sites. Why? If you’ve ever played on SEA/EA on defense, you’ll know how annoying it is to try and flank only to get greeted by at least 2 ops camping a roof hatch when there’s only less than a minute on the clock
I think they should be reinforced only when objective room has an ouside hatch....
In my opinion, there isn't much reason for the hatches to not be reinforced. There are a lot of changes in shadow legacy, and the meta will shift alot. It might look like it will be bad for the attackers, but the attackers will be a lot more flexible. And people can still use maverick, since he just got buffed and destroying hatches will be easier.
If they could make a new animation for reinforcing upwards I think it'd be nice. Still have to use some of their 10 that way
I feel like they should be able to reinforce rooftop hatches but not automatic. Sadly I have no ideas to reinforce them. Maybe a ladder or something they could pullout and climb to reinforce (obviously they would have to hold reinforce to reinforce not just a ladder in the way)
I'm so confused with ubi like hasn't there been of complaints about siege being a gadget deatroying simulator so why nerf Thatcher and all this other stuff
If they do about 25% of the maps and good ish hatch's, but they have to make Evey map has a hatch E.G bank elevators should have a added part to the roof with one hatch but it reinforce for a normal player you use a better gadget than attack the new hatch but some people attack in different directions so not sure how it will work
I would give it a go, if you want attack hatches, you bring Hibana and utility needed for that, it's not like every map and site is top floor.
they want to make the attacker meta less stale but with automatically reinforced hatches we'd be forced to bring ops with hard breaching gadgets which would make the attacker meta even more stale, kind of counter-productive imo
I personally think by reinforcing every roof hatch by default is kinda unecessary, maybe give the defenders the option to reinforce it but limit it to maybe 1 or 2
Mavrick is the only operator to open those hatches bro. Hands down. Thatcher will get ban..
I don't mind it but It would diffidently make me more uncomfortable when attacking, and I already get that feeling on certain maps.
Idea: Forgo this automatic hatch reinforcements idea and instead give us an operator who can reinforce hatches from bellow, these hatches can only be breached from the side they were placed on. This gives the defenders an option, do they want to spend an op slot and a reinforcement on a room/2 rooms/more making them a lot more harder to breach OR do they want to just go the standard route like we do today.
it gives variety, being able to use kaid and hold office in club house will help mix up gameplay, i do think it should subtract from the pool to balance it tho
I like it means more people bring useful op instead of hurr hurr I'm ash I have no hitbox I'm op lol or blitz or blackbeard etc
This might be more complex for the devs to do but I think it should be randomly generated on one hatch if there’s more than one just to allow for the chance that fuze is still useful
Every time I heard the putto song I feel like watching a cartoonz video
I love the idea, cuz one, it makes kaid more useful, and it will use secondary breaches which will balance it
It would make Hibana more viable while also putting a lot less pressure against the defenders, but I think it should only be done on a case by case basis rather than an all or nothing thing. Now, as a console player, I haven’t gotten to try this, but it would make sited almost not at all viable very usable while also bringing operators that haven’t seen the meta years or not at all yet which is a good thing tbh.
There should be an option to reinforce the roof hatches using reinforcements from the pool of 10, that way it becomes a decision for the defenders on how to use them. Maybe you could look at a roof hatch and get the option “press square to airdrop reinforcement” or something like that
yes, people only play fragger or support until gold and this would encourage people to play hardbrech mainly hibana
I say just make an op that can reinforce from below and so hes not just a situation op make him reinforce walls 50% faster. This way defenders use a whole pick on if they wanna hold down a certain room with a hatch or not
it won't be that bad. is only the roof hatches so yeah it helps the defenders on a few objectives but not all, for example top floor kafe was already defender sided so this is not moving the needle that much. hibana can pop both hatches and a murder hole into piano from red stair, bring one of the thermal breaches for the fridge and you are good on hard breach.
the reason for this change is to give back some value to hibana since she is loosing some with the new secondary breach gadget. if you are going for walls you'd rather bring some other op with an ability and the secondary breach than hibana but if you have to open hatches she is the better option.
I think it should be a thing but it will take from the pool of defender reinforcements. Of course you should have the ability to not reinforce if you want to
Yes or make it a gadget for a new operator. I hate how easy it is for attackers to cut off points of a map because they had a mini shotgun or one of 3 to 6 breach charges they might have. Or even bum a grenade. I think cafe is a problem because of it's poor design for the upstairs area
With the introduction of the hard breach gadget, I say yes. The gadget will help attackers clear the hatches while the defenders actually have the ability to hold them
I think the best option would be that a new defender or existing defender gets a passive that allows them to use reinforcements on hatches above them. Not a main ability tho.
What the defenders could pick or not if they wanted the hatches reinforced but it would take away from their reinforcement pool. It would feel like a utility sink if they got it for free even with the new hard breach gadget
There should be some method where the defenders can choose to reinforce it & it uses one of their reinforcements... difficult to put in though. Giving defenders access to the roof for the first 20 seconds?🤔
I think it would be better if they take it out of the reinforcements pool and you deploy it by a secondary Gadget. You can put it on ops that dont get much play time.
This is a good idea everyone they went way over board with the attacker buffs, everyone is a hard breacher and maverick is buffed hardcore, so give the defenders something they are so attacker friendly and push for the attackers to have the edge on everything
Give a way for the defenders to manually do it, but give them 12 total reinforcements
No because it's straight up a nerd to pulse and operators without hard breaching capabilities I would prefer for there to be a new operator to make reinforced hatches
I think they shouldn’t have made them reinforced default but instead added a defender that can maybe throw something to do that bc default just feels a little unfair
I think if they where reinforceable by the bottom it would make much more sense instead of them being instantly reinforced
I think it a really good idea because of the new secondery hard breach gadgets but my only concern is kaid but the can just ban him
this should stay because now some of the non hard breach attackers also has a hard breach equipment so is think there will be no problem getting through those pre reinforced hatches
i think it should be optional and the renforcement will be eliminated from the renforcement poll
Yes for sure. And ace should only need 1 selma to break a hatch. But you should vote at start of match so that way everyone is chill
Hell no. This would make the game more of a utility dump for attackers
I think you should look at it from below and then reinforce instead of animation you pull out your phone and request reinforcement and bam after the same amount of time it takes for hatches inside
I don’t think it’s a good idea but I can see where Hibana can get a buff kind of but I think it should not be added to the main servers
no i think the roof should not reinforce hatches to get in you will have to waste a hard breach gadget when you only get one and if kaid electro claw is basically so annoying because you have to bring thatcher in most cases is banned
I hope it goes in the live version maverick got 1 more canister plus there's the new secondary gadget
This is the worst idea they should not do this there is no upside to this all of the sites with roof hatches are good they don’t need it you barley gain site control for most of them I think maybe it would be good if it could take away from the reinforcement pool
It would have been better if they give defenders a secondary gadget, a mini reinforcment for the hatches to reinforce it from under.
I think it should because it gives Hibana a purpose
I love 50fifty idea where is you choose to reinforce roof hatches it should take away from your pool
What about a platform that prevents ops from coming down but can still shoot through
I’ve been thinking of a operator that could do this but only have one roof top reinforcement
I think it will really make people value hatches more and realize the push potential from them
they should add the option to sacrifice 2 out of 10 reinforcements to reinforce hatches
Why are his videos always so stretched? Is the monitor he plays on really such a wierd aspect ratio?