Sorry. I just realized that the high attenuation was on by default on the apogee plugin. I should have checked that. I apologize And I will make a new video showing how the apogee should sound
I saw that - it made me laugh :) Easily done easy to make a mistake like that :) Cool video - im gonna have to install plugin Doctor looks cool bit shocked about the 100 hz boost thing not being anywhere near 100 hz more like 1000hz - good to know :)
Check twice all the settings before you make a video like this :)) You lose your credibility by making this kind of mistake and my advice, go on exact numbers, not in between them.
I was just about to comment that. Im watching this video and my 3 year old daughter is sitting here with me laughing at the face you made when you cut the plugin on!! LOL
Cela prouve qu’il faut toujours faire attention aux comparaisons sur RUclips. Roger The Music a manqué de rigueur ici. Même si de base le pultec Apogge est à l’ouverture comme ça. Je l’ai dans mon arsenal de plugins et le mien ne fait pas ça.
The original designer understood the Fletcher-Munson curve. The human ear doesn't hear flat. It is more acute to mid frequencies in the 1khz to 5khz range making the low end and high end seem rolled off at lower volumes and the louder it gets the closer your ear hears flat response. That particular Pultec was designed to compensate for that curve.
Great visual demo on the frequency affect of the functions of this EQ and brand comparison Roger!! WOW, to my ears the UAD sounded by far the best. The fat kick and crisp but smooth highs are the bomb!! Thanks! This is currently part of a UAD sale bundle that I will be purchasing asap!!
In looking for Pultec emulations I just found this video. My favorites in this video: UAD., Waves, Softube not necessarily in that order. Thanks for a wonderfully informative video with a great vibe and no BS!
More have asked for it. I will make a new video soon but maybe compare effect chains from different manufacturers. I will make a poll before so you all can suggest what brands I should compare.
latency within any individual plug-in is no issue...there is automatic delay compensation, so your point is moot when it comes to actual use in a real project.
The only Pultec-style plugin I ever liked was the Analog Obsession RareSE -- because it has separate mid/side controls. Other than that, Arturia's EQ Sitral... which isn't even a Pultec
Another one to add to this list now is the Noise Ash Rule Tec. Can be had for under $50 on sale and I like how they have the high and low pass included in one unit. The UAD one is probably the most accurate but to my ears, the Rule Tec is close behind it.
By far theee best Comparison Showcasing Video for me. I also wish I knew the title of the track, Your reaction towards the apogee EQ had me laughing😄😄😄
@10:30 your attenuation is maxed @ 5Khz = bye-bye high freqs you could segment the sound examples together and comment separately. Like 90% of this is chatter. I'm just here to hear the plugins.
I guess I play favorites in this case by what I own. It just seems to be the best to me. I've got the UAD Pultec. I bought it just last week, with a UAD build you own bundle. $49 per item ain't too bad. Pultec Passive EQ collection, plus 4 others.
Great video, Thanks! To my ears, UAD sounded best and Noble-Q comes real close (just a tiny boost on both low and high ends will make it identical to UAD)
I have a good video series idea for you: using the plugin doctor vst to visually show the EQ curves of the major types of vintage eq plugins. Also you should get into voice acting because you have a very important main character cinematic sounding voice.
I was shocked when I heard the Apogee version. I see from the comments that you actually had full attention on the high shelf. No wonder it sounded like there was a pillow on your speakers!
@@Rogerthatmusic don't worry, It was such a great comparison with only that apogee downside to mention. Indeed I've tried all these plugin and I own 2 of them. The one I was really interested was the apogee indeed, because I've never demoed. I'm still not totally satisfied with UAD (great top end but low boost and cut doesn't work as the hardware) and waves (which doesn't shine on anything to my ears). Also the analog obsession rare deserves to be mentioned since it is second to none for bass frequency boosting, maybe the only one that can replicate the hardware on bass boost and cut. And it costs 0$ 🤘..
Very hard to determine a favorite in this case…. With one exception they all sound very good and I believe which one to choose depends on the mix and you can’t really fail with any of them… (with the exception named above…)
I'm guessing that you are referring to Apogee.. That was my fault, not that the plugin is bad.(a video coming..) But I agree. They don't all sound like "pultec" but they all sound good.
A lot of unnecessary attitude in these comments.. It was an honest mistake, he realized and acknowledged. Shit happens! Grym video Roger! Hade varit kul ifall du slängt in och jämfört med Analog Obsession versionen också :)
I've used at least three different Pultec emulations and the one plugin you didn't mention is the one I now use all of the time... IK Multimedia EQP 1A. It sounds great with no added noise!
I have 5 different Pultec emulations and the IK in my opinion or should I say my taste is the one I go to most. I also have the WA hardware Pultec, after comparing it to the IK Plug in I think I spent $$$$ that I didnt need to spend. I like Softtube and also the WAVES but I know by mentioning the Waves Ive totally blown my credability LOL. Hey, it works great too.
How do you listen to one part of a song so long and not get tired ears? I would love to hear some tips! Great video by the way never heard of this plugin doctor
@@APaclin According to their website at the time I recorded the video I said $200. The last years it has nearly always ben on sale though. And now it's subscription ....
Oh UAD and Waves. I have waves and never really used it. So thank you. Can i use a compressor and pultec on the main channel with a Pro fab 3, or should i individually Pro Fab, leaving more space on the main channel?🤔 Yes, but that one pultec for 200$ sounded really bad. I feel so sorry for all whom use their money on plugins and this happens. I'm praying against it. I know i got scammed with a few, and i don't have that much money. I want to thank you. Your presence is really unique, great comfort through you. You are appreciated Galatians 6:9.
overloud has one and several other have emulated pultec, we don's see them here. thanks for doing this video. since these hardware units are different form each other in characteristics any idea which hard ware unit would be ideal for the top end? I'm searching for the emulation of that specific unit, what ever it is. lol
I still don’t know what secret UADs have in their plugins . They are all modeled but UAD sounds much more better to my ears .The rest sound like toy , Soft tube would be my next choice
I think Apogee is owed a fair review/comparison. At the first go you had the attenuation at the maximum. When you reset the plugin because of the 'bad sound' you missed addressing the attenuation setting. Maybe that's the default setting (though that doesn't make any sense), so I'm not faulting you.
It differs but for video voice I’n using: High pass filter Compressor De esser Eq (normally just dip the mid a little) Limiter Any brand of plugins can do this
I think it would have been (possibly more) interesting to see if those boost/cut differences compared to their hardware counterpart. - Is the Software model the same as the hardware? Is it wrong? (Incorrectly modeled? Or Does it match the hardware?)
I understand that some people find that (more) interesting. But for me it doesn't matter that much. I care about if it sounds good and if it's useful first hand. Of course it could be interesting with a comparison from a theoretical point of view.
But which hardware counterpart? There have been various revisions to the original specifications, it's an extremely old design, and it's analogue. Each unit has its own character. At least one of the plugin emulations was based on a specific unit that sounded "better" than most other examples because of a unique "error" in the circuitry. The hardware devices are all unique in a similar way to how every Rolls Royce made 60 years ago has its own individual quirks.
Thanks for your time! Hmm.. tough one. Uad.. but then Softube came and kinda stole the show... ( or made the decision less obvious) until we heard NobleQ.. all three sounded very 3dimensional. I also LOVE the Lindell one from Plugin Alliance. But! Does the same thing with the level. You gotta adjust it!
Hum... how can we objectively compare these plugins without comparing them to the original hardware they are emulating ? We can't say which one is the closest to the original. So in the end, it's just a matter of taste.
Excellent presentation, thank you ! The 'licensed' plugin is a disaster, as you point out. Otherwise, all plugins add their own subtleties, none of which I care much about, because the original mix is just fine. I don't know what people see in these things, If you need that much external gear, you didn't record it right.
@@Rogerthatmusic Very nice ! I appreciate that there is very little compression, the tune actually has life, unheard of in so much of today's music. So yes, it was recorded right.
The Pulse Techniques has the Attenuation in the high at max Atten à 5k. No wonder it sounds with a pillow. Maybe an edit of the video and a apology to these guys would be in order :-)
The Majority of people with audio channels aren’t qualified to fetch coffee for real old school engineers (you know… the ones that made all the records the world grew up on an love.)
So…. If UAD, have a volume boost when engaging the plugin and you say this may be an actual byproduct of the original as it is an emulator so they say it is end to end , and you open everything with the statement that you don’t like this,, sorry I don’t understand, am I misunderstanding the idea of an emulator supporting the exact conditions of the hardware as being a faulty aspect of the model that you d3sire to be amended because that’s what you want, or something you deserve? If it’s exact, we’ll then haven’t they modeled it correctly? Not hating on you, just want an answer to this seemingly perpetual issue everyone seems to have
It's just that I like to hear the sound of the plugin and not be fooled by changes in volume. Our ears are sensitive to volume and if a plugin has jus 1db more gan we often think that it sounds "better" but actually it's just louder. Even if it is in that way on the original hardware I would like zero db be zero db in the digital domain.
@@Rogerthatmusic ok, fair enough, imo, I feel if the hardware does the same thing then the emulator is doing it right. Btw I have no experience using the real hardware, just my opinion or 2 cents is all I mean by it. Peace
ignite amps , kussa, psp, and logic one sounded much better then ther other.... pretty disappointed with waves and uad... though they have their own character....
Sorry.
I just realized that the high attenuation was on by default on the apogee plugin.
I should have checked that.
I apologize
And I will make a new video showing how the apogee should sound
I saw that - it made me laugh :) Easily done easy to make a mistake like that :) Cool video - im gonna have to install plugin Doctor looks cool bit shocked about the 100 hz boost thing not being anywhere near 100 hz more like 1000hz - good to know :)
@@chris-rb7bm Thanks. Even if I try to listen more than I look it was news for me too.
Check twice all the settings before you make a video like this :)) You lose your credibility by making this kind of mistake and my advice, go on exact numbers, not in between them.
@@nonamegrs you are right.
Lesson learned
I was just about to comment that. Im watching this video and my 3 year old daughter is sitting here with me laughing at the face you made when you cut the plugin on!! LOL
The issue on the apogee one is the high atten... It should be on 0 not on 10 (like the other plugins)
I was surprised he didn't notice. Was quite obvious 😀
@@Mansardian Glaringly
@@Mansardian Smells like conspiracy
Cela prouve qu’il faut toujours faire attention aux comparaisons sur RUclips. Roger The Music a manqué de rigueur ici. Même si de base le pultec Apogge est à l’ouverture comme ça. Je l’ai dans mon arsenal de plugins et le mien ne fait pas ça.
The original designer understood the Fletcher-Munson curve. The human ear doesn't hear flat. It is more acute to mid frequencies in the 1khz to 5khz range making the low end and high end seem rolled off at lower volumes and the louder it gets the closer your ear hears flat response. That particular Pultec was designed to compensate for that curve.
Dang! Thank you, I have learned something new! Fletcher Munson curve, eh? I’ll have to look into that!
Yo got the ATTEN SEL at 5khz and the ATTEN at - 10 on the Apogge.
Just noticed that. Strange that it was on by default but I should have checked it.
Noiseash Ruletec is one of the best pultec emulation plugins, would've loved to hear it against the other favourite which is the UAD
Great visual demo on the frequency affect of the functions of this EQ and brand comparison Roger!! WOW, to my ears the UAD sounded by far the best. The fat kick and crisp but smooth highs are the bomb!! Thanks! This is currently part of a UAD sale bundle that I will be purchasing asap!!
In looking for Pultec emulations I just found this video. My favorites in this video: UAD., Waves, Softube not necessarily in that order.
Thanks for a wonderfully informative video with a great vibe and no BS!
Would have loved it if Analog Obsession was part of it
More have asked for it. I will make a new video soon but maybe compare effect chains from different manufacturers. I will make a poll before so you all can suggest what brands I should compare.
@@Rogerthatmusic and The Noiseash Rule Tec EQ 1A
That probably would be a video ALONE.... lol. for freeeeeeee to be that good.. I cosign.
Very solid video. Thank you. Not many quality videos like this around. And special recognition for the update on the Apogee plug-in. Top shelf job.
latency within any individual plug-in is no issue...there is automatic delay compensation, so your point is moot when it comes to actual use in a real project.
UAD seems miles ahead of the rest. Much more open and dynamic. Sounds of analog (maybe even better)
Thanks!! Best wishes
I think would be nice to see Overloud EQP and Black Rooster Audio's as well. Maybe compere those two to UAD and Softube ?
The only Pultec-style plugin I ever liked was the Analog Obsession RareSE -- because it has separate mid/side controls.
Other than that, Arturia's EQ Sitral... which isn't even a Pultec
no man...
I liked the Softtube the best. I believe it's on sale right now. Still pretty pricey though. The Noiseash Ruletec is also on sale. Only $29.
agreed, the highs and lows were nice, well defined. Nice harmonics added. Also quite 3d. Definitely pick of the bunch in my mind.
Amazing review
You have the high end attenuation maxed out on the Apogee. It's on 10 so that's why it sounds as such.
Really enjoyed this video, learned a lot and thirsty for more.
Another one to add to this list now is the Noise Ash Rule Tec. Can be had for under $50 on sale and I like how they have the high and low pass included in one unit. The UAD one is probably the most accurate but to my ears, the Rule Tec is close behind it.
On the Apogee plugin, you had the Attenuation knob on the high end cranked up to 10 the whole time. That was the issue with the sound. 🤦🏻♂🤷🏻♂
I know and wrote a comment about it.
Som kind of a small bug that made the attenuation be on full by default.
By far theee best Comparison Showcasing Video for me. I also wish I knew the title of the track,
Your reaction towards the apogee EQ had me laughing😄😄😄
Glad that my mistake and the bug in the plugin made you laugh😊
And thank you
@10:30 your attenuation is maxed @ 5Khz = bye-bye high freqs
you could segment the sound examples together and comment separately. Like 90% of this is chatter. I'm just here to hear the plugins.
Here 1 year later, was screaming out loud over the Apogee settings 😂
Thank you, you're amazing
I guess I play favorites in this case by what I own. It just seems to be the best to me. I've got the UAD Pultec. I bought it just last week, with a UAD build you own bundle. $49 per item ain't too bad. Pultec Passive EQ collection, plus 4 others.
Great video, Thanks! To my ears, UAD sounded best and Noble-Q comes real close (just a tiny boost on both low and high ends will make it identical to UAD)
Great Video !!! Also try the Pultec and Tube Tech Acustica Audio Version
Thank you Roger - please re-do the Apogee with its Attenuation corrected (not maxed out!) - this is why it sounds so **$&#&!
Thanks. I know, I wrote an explanation here in the comments.
I will try to do another video as soon as I can get new demo versions
I have a good video series idea for you: using the plugin doctor vst to visually show the EQ curves of the major types of vintage eq plugins. Also you should get into voice acting because you have a very important main character cinematic sounding voice.
Thanks :-) Good idea. I will see what I can do
I was shocked when I heard the Apogee version. I see from the comments that you actually had full attention on the high shelf. No wonder it sounded like there was a pillow on your speakers!
finally someone that do a nice comparison geezzzzz
Thank you
Great video mate. I Would love to have seen the IK media version in the comparison, but that only cos I have that one lol 😃
Didn't you see the apogee had the high attenuation completely open? 😉
I saw it to late and wrote it in a comment.
The attenuation was on by default
@@Rogerthatmusic don't worry, It was such a great comparison with only that apogee downside to mention. Indeed I've tried all these plugin and I own 2 of them. The one I was really interested was the apogee indeed, because I've never demoed.
I'm still not totally satisfied with UAD (great top end but low boost and cut doesn't work as the hardware) and waves (which doesn't shine on anything to my ears). Also the analog obsession rare deserves to be mentioned since it is second to none for bass frequency boosting, maybe the only one that can replicate the hardware on bass boost and cut. And it costs 0$ 🤘..
Great video!!!! thanks for this. What is your favorite now in 2023 ?
Thank you😊. Actually I think all are pretty good and does the job.
My “go to” is UAD for overall transformer sound and Analog obsession for silky top.
Yes indeed!
When you got to the Apogee Plugin that really made me laugh out loud then it went to a commercial break. Wow Funny!!!!!
Very hard to determine a favorite in this case…. With one exception they all sound very good and I believe which one to choose depends on the mix and you can’t really fail with any of them… (with the exception named above…)
I'm guessing that you are referring to Apogee.. That was my fault, not that the plugin is bad.(a video coming..)
But I agree. They don't all sound like "pultec" but they all sound good.
Very solid video. Thank you. Not many quality videos like this around. And special recognition for the update on the Apogee plug-in. Top shelf job.
A lot of unnecessary attitude in these comments.. It was an honest mistake, he realized and acknowledged. Shit happens!
Grym video Roger! Hade varit kul ifall du slängt in och jämfört med Analog Obsession versionen också :)
I've used at least three different Pultec emulations and the one plugin you didn't mention is the one I now use all of the time... IK Multimedia EQP 1A. It sounds great with no added noise!
It has a lot less punch and bottom end than the UAD one I think. I recently did a personal shoutout between the two.
I have 5 different Pultec emulations and the IK in my opinion or should I say my taste is the one I go to most. I also have the WA hardware Pultec, after comparing it to the IK Plug in I think I spent $$$$ that I didnt need to spend. I like Softtube and also the WAVES but I know by mentioning the Waves Ive totally blown my credability LOL. Hey, it works great too.
10:43 Pillow is on your eyes?
Attenuation knob is cranked all the way up
Watch out
How do you listen to one part of a song so long and not get tired ears? I would love to hear some tips! Great video by the way never heard of this plugin doctor
You just forgot one of the best one : The Noiseash Rule Tec EQ 1A
Do you really have not noticed that 5 k was totally attenuated on the apogee one ?
Plugin Doctor is a blessing.
The new deep vintage is very hardware-like.
Aaaahhh
Apogee you killed it
Sorry but you have to Edit this Video or just delete it..
If it always on sale, it's not $200.
What is always on sale?
Waves?
@@Rogerthatmusic yes
@@APaclin According to their website at the time I recorded the video I said $200. The last years it has nearly always ben on sale though. And now it's subscription ....
You need to edit out the apogee section.
😊
Oh UAD and Waves. I have waves and never really used it. So thank you. Can i use a compressor and pultec on the main channel with a Pro fab 3, or should i individually Pro Fab, leaving more space on the main channel?🤔 Yes, but that one pultec for 200$ sounded really bad. I feel so sorry for all whom use their money on plugins and this happens. I'm praying against it. I know i got scammed with a few, and i don't have that much money. I want to thank you. Your presence is really unique, great comfort through you. You are appreciated Galatians 6:9.
Thanks for the video, it was very informative!
When the attenuation control is set to 10, as it is on the Apogee, any EQ would have sounded bad. :D
overloud has one and several other have emulated pultec, we don's see them here. thanks for doing this video.
since these hardware units are different form each other in characteristics any idea which hard ware unit would be ideal for the top end? I'm searching for the emulation of that specific unit, what ever it is. lol
Amazing video
Thank you
The apogee attenuator is at 10!!!!
Big error on the apogee pal. The ignite one is a stinker and you didn't seem to notice.
Waves and softube sounds more nicer than the other ones , just MHO
I still don’t know what secret UADs have in their plugins . They are all modeled but UAD sounds much more better to my ears .The rest sound like toy , Soft tube would be my next choice
You should loop the exact same 2 bars.
ABSOLUTELY!!! Let's compare apples to apples.
I think Apogee is owed a fair review/comparison. At the first go you had the attenuation at the maximum. When you reset the plugin because of the 'bad sound' you missed addressing the attenuation setting. Maybe that's the default setting (though that doesn't make any sense), so I'm not faulting you.
the better is not here: Acustica
Passive and all-tube cannot be used in one sentence. Tube is an active element, period.
UAD pultec has an output attenuator
Ahhh not the legacy tho
No it not the free legacy version unfortunately.
Hello, what vst plugins are you using on your sm7b ? Thanks !
It differs but for video voice I’n using:
High pass filter
Compressor
De esser
Eq (normally just dip the mid a little)
Limiter
Any brand of plugins can do this
UAD to answer your question...
Waves
I think it would have been (possibly more) interesting to see if those boost/cut differences compared to their hardware counterpart. - Is the Software model the same as the hardware? Is it wrong? (Incorrectly modeled? Or Does it match the hardware?)
I understand that some people find that (more) interesting. But for me it doesn't matter that much. I care about if it sounds good and if it's useful first hand. Of course it could be interesting with a comparison from a theoretical point of view.
But which hardware counterpart? There have been various revisions to the original specifications, it's an extremely old design, and it's analogue. Each unit has its own character. At least one of the plugin emulations was based on a specific unit that sounded "better" than most other examples because of a unique "error" in the circuitry. The hardware devices are all unique in a similar way to how every Rolls Royce made 60 years ago has its own individual quirks.
Thanks for your time! Hmm.. tough one. Uad.. but then Softube came and kinda stole the show... ( or made the decision less obvious) until we heard NobleQ.. all three sounded very 3dimensional. I also LOVE the Lindell one from Plugin Alliance. But! Does the same thing with the level. You gotta adjust it!
Hum... how can we objectively compare these plugins without comparing them to the original hardware they are emulating ? We can't say which one is the closest to the original. So in the end, it's just a matter of taste.
Excellent presentation, thank you !
The 'licensed' plugin is a disaster, as you point out.
Otherwise, all plugins add their own subtleties, none of which I care much about, because the original mix is just fine.
I don't know what people see in these things, If you need that much external gear, you didn't record it right.
I recorded rhe song, and played all instruments
@@Rogerthatmusic Very nice !
I appreciate that there is very little compression, the tune actually has life, unheard of in so much of today's music.
So yes, it was recorded right.
the tube tech. holy shit it sounds amazing
It’s terrific.. but also a bit expensive..
The Pulse Techniques has the Attenuation in the high at max Atten à 5k. No wonder it sounds with a pillow. Maybe an edit of the video and a apology to these guys would be in order :-)
I wrote an apology in a comment here. I will make another video soon..
The Majority of people with audio channels aren’t qualified to fetch coffee for real old school engineers (you know… the ones that made all the records the world grew up on an love.)
Sorry never mind I’ve seen the other comment already clarified it , don’t shoot hehe😊
So…. If UAD, have a volume boost when engaging the plugin and you say this may be an actual byproduct of the original as it is an emulator so they say it is end to end , and you open everything with the statement that you don’t like this,, sorry I don’t understand, am I misunderstanding the idea of an emulator supporting the exact conditions of the hardware as being a faulty aspect of the model that you d3sire to be amended because that’s what you want, or something you deserve? If it’s exact, we’ll then haven’t they modeled it correctly? Not hating on you, just want an answer to this seemingly perpetual issue everyone seems to have
It's just that I like to hear the sound of the plugin and not be fooled by changes in volume. Our ears are sensitive to volume and if a plugin has jus 1db more gan we often think that it sounds "better" but actually it's just louder. Even if it is in that way on the original hardware I would like zero db be zero db in the digital domain.
Good question 🙂
@@Rogerthatmusic ok, fair enough, imo, I feel if the hardware does the same thing then the emulator is doing it right. Btw I have no experience using the real hardware, just my opinion or 2 cents is all I mean by it. Peace
I always volume match regardless so I guess your point is well valid👍🏼
Apogee haha😂 man… offcourse with the high attenuation on 10
nice.. you forgot one of the best. If not the best: AnalogObsession RARE .. its free.. and killer.
sabotaged apogee
I know, I am sorry for that and wrote an explanation
Passive and all tube? Contradiction of terms....
ignite amps , kussa, psp, and logic one sounded much better then ther other.... pretty disappointed with waves and uad... though they have their own character....
None of them sound like a real pultec.
They sound flat.
But few of us can use the real one lol
🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
you have 0 experience
Only 35 years as a professional..
11:00 Ahahaha, you clearly have attenuation at 10 and you expect it to sounds adequate? 🤣🤣🤣
tried them all nomad factorys sound the best to me.