I'm the owner and I'm happy. Happiness is a state of mind. You probably need to work on that. I've known Micah for a LONG time. I trust him implicitly.
No quick shifter on this one, just years of learning to time clutch-less shifts on the street, track and dyno. It's no biggie, done right it goes as smoothly as a well set up quickshift and I have NEVER hurt a personal or customer gearbox to date.
+Micah Shoemaker Even if it's harmless, it looks unprofessional and you look like a douchebag trying to prove himself lol. Why do you have to smoke a cig while doing the dyno? I don't get it.. Just sit on the bike and do your job. Professionally.
There's absolutely nothing unprofessional about upshifting and downshifting a dog engagement gearbox without the clutch. To think otherwise is completely stupid.
Seriously I reference this video all the time. I sorely wish Someone made a V4 automotive engine with proper architecture for high HP. The ungodly sound they make is magnificent.
Well it looks like it might be compact enough for a shaft output, but usually motorcycle engines are really hard to transfer into longitudinal shaft drive applications. I was referring to something with a little more displacement, the Vmax engine would be on the right track but again you run into cost issues with such an exotic motor.
i work as a fulltime ducati meachanic, i was somehow lucky enough to ride one of these last week, you can hear it from miles away, they are stupidly fast
All good, and yes, totally spot on, for me the "ride" is very seldom about pure horsepower...there is so much more to the experience than just brutal acceleration or top speed. My personal daily ride is a Vespa 300 Super...I just like to ride.
The no-clutch upshifting is just something I have done for the last couple of decades, the clutch-less downshifting however is something I can only pull off on bikes I know real well and have a lot of seat time on. I do not have more D16RR videos at this time, most owners did not heavily modify those bikes around here but occasionally one will come in for either service or simple mods. There is really very little that needs to be upgraded on that machine, awesome out of the crate!
@21scuderia You match the revs by throttling off as you would normally for an upshift, however you must ensure that you shift the gear lever to select the next gear at the correct time for the rpm of the engine to match the rpm the engine will be doing in the next gear. Eg, you are doing 100kmh in second gear at 8000rpm, in third gear at that speed the bike will be doing 6800rpm, you throttle off and shift the lever to engage the next gear at 6800rpm. This all takes a fraction of a second.
All sequential shift manual trannies CAN BE smoothly shifted without clutch. The "gap" between gear ratios definitely makes some easier to do than others. I just got back from test riding a lowly 96' 900SS/SP and like every other Ducati I have here it shifts fine without use of the clutch for upshifts. Most higher end and newer generation bikes either come stock with a "quickshifter" or one can be added easily. My 2012 Tuono V4 demo has one right out of the crate. 50ms per shift.
@sullivanvictor the D16RR is derived from a 2006 motoGP model... the s1000rr is of course from newer technology, the engine/piston dynamics of the einthausand is real oversquare focused on top end power. The d16rr is got a lot of CF on it unlike the s1rr which has none, also its not a production bike likes its Bavarian counter-part. among some other diffs that i may have overlooked.
Different dynos, different fuels and difference in the internal mappings in the ECU. My dyno reads very conservative numbers but is deadly accurate for examining changes made to mapping or engines.
My above comment was meant in reply to crazy4honda's comment, not yours Micah. I can tell you like the D16RR already... To above honda guy- the experience of the awesome power combined with the wicked sound is a huge part of the riding experience. It's not always just about which one goes fastest.
1198 is good for about 133/135 bhp on this dyno. It reads low but it is deadly accurate, no hype or driveline losses accounted for, just how much power gets through the back tire to the roller. 153bhp is VERY strong for a naturally aspirated bike on this dyno, only the 2007 R1, 2012 ZX10r and S1000rr are in the same league. Even Busas do not touch these numbers with only light modifications.
Ducati Corse WSBK, 1999 spec bikes sold to Ducati USA and raced in AMA were 149.7-151.3 bhp. Aprilia Corse RSW250 perfectly tuned...no shit, 108 bhp! Pro Stock drag ZX14R with $20k USD motor, 175 bhp. ZX12r Turbo at 14 psi boost was 247 bhp, 1060cc Aprilia RSVR Factory, supercharged at 13.5psi boost, methanol injection and nitrous, 260 bhp.
The clutch is necessary for initial starts and downshifts... but if you do a bit of research you'll find they've been doing clutchless upshifts for over 20 years in MotoGP. Clutchless upshifts are beneficial because they do not disturb the bike as much during shifts, and the action required to do it is effortless (if done correctly). A properly executed clutchless can be the difference between making a corner or laying it down.
No problem, to put my dyno in perspective, here are some common bikes all with pipe and tuning of PCIIIusb or equivalent: 2007 R1 puts down 151-153 bhp, dead stock 2003 Busa 129.9 bhp, 999s Ducati 125 bhp, Aprilia RSVR V2 112-119 (stock bore), Aprilia RSV4 APRC 143 bhp, 2012 ZX10r 162 bhp, s1000rr BMW 151 bhp stock, 162 bhp with a pipe, 2009 R1 dead stock 125bhp, 2009 R1 full Akro, Pasani flash and PCV tune, 141 bhp.
No problem, hopefully i will have some more vids coming soon too, I have a few camera worthy bikes in line for tuning right now from fuel injected (port) 2 stroke to an Aprilia RSV-SP getting some mods and tuning!
Not yet, I have one coming in sometime in the next few months for tuning once the owner gets done with all his little mods. I prefer to tune them once, not once after each new mod is added unless the customer really likes paying for dyno time.
@21scuderia Sorry for the long comment, A clutchless downshift requires you to 'blip' the throttle to attain the correct engine rpm for the gear you are going down to. This tends to work in unison with applying pressure to the lever to disengage the current gear and the blip happens in the gap that the gear dog has to traverse to engage the next gear. It doesn't require a slipper clutch, it doesn't damage the gearbox (as long as the revs are matched correctly) and it takes time to get competent.
As far as I know, (and I may be wrong) the Desmo has the same Transmissions featured in it's MotoGP counterparts. It should be fine. Most bikes should be fine, but I do agree with your concern regarding the price tag. I do expect however being that this is his friend's bike that he would have been sure to know what are do's and do not's of his bike. :)
@nara94 hey its a race bike,they all have clutchless shifting. It has a sensor on the shift leg that senses the pressure on the leg an cuts the ignition or cuts the engine for a milla second or something like that to allow it to shift without the clutch. You can buy them for any bike,if your into bikes or race bikes you should have known that. the cig thing I understand but a bit of ash isnt going to hurt anything,it gets covered in dirt and bugs,so which is worse??
Sort of, once the engine gets into the very high output range the amount of energy coming out of the pipe(s) is insane, the camera shake (even with full lens based image stabilization) is basically from very high frequency and amplitude shock waves in the room.
@DeeJayMiikkii I thought slipper clutches allow the rear wheel to spin faster than the engine when re-engaging the clutch, so the engine doesnt over rev and lock up the rear wheel....
How about a Desmosedici RR with DP exhaust? Have you dyno'd one? I'm curious what the DP exhaust contribute to the bike. Which is faster in a straight, the Desmosedici RR or the S1000RR?
Damn, nailed me! If it burns fuel and travels across ground, water or through air I friggin love it. I did quit smoking however, had to pay for my airplane habit somehow right, and lets face it, at 10k feet in the air, smokers pay a hefty penalty in terms of situational awareness. I ride a Vespa most days so brand loyalty is not my number one issue. Any V4 is cool with me, as Motus dealer number 1, RSV4 tuner, Honda RC30 nut and whatnot it may not be evident!
Retail price was one thing, but when these first came out there was a buying frenzy and a healthy economy to back it up. Most early ones were sold at or over retail...and you do want those pipes and ecu with the bike right?
Gara, in that environment, in the dyno room, smoking a ciggy is the least of my concerns. Temps of up to 133F, acoustic pounding of the body, Carbon Monoxide inhalation, organic solvents deposition on skin...these are the things that worry me in that room. Hell last week I had a chain let go on a Ducati M900 and that was like being slightly shielded from a grenade.
It's my desmo. He has plenty of respect for it. So do I. I own 13 different brands of motorcycles, so try not to get confused. Not everyone is brand loyal to a fault.
@nara94 hey its no big deal,I dont know about the more ware issue from not useing the clutch? I havent heard anyting about it,I mean it could happen if the shifter isnt setup right and its not cutting the engine out before the shift,or if its a cheap shifter.But I highly doubt that would happen on a ducati race bike at all,its the same system they use on their real moto GP bikes and superbikes as well,but you never know I guess. If the setup is wrong it can happen,but I see your point,
Motorcycles use sequential manual gearboxes for the most part, the clutch is not required for anything but the start if you are used to the bike and tranny. Upshifting is something that I pretty much never use the clutch for and on track bike downshifting without the clutch is pretty seamless once you are VERY familiar with the bike. In over 300k street miles and 10 years of racing I have never killed a tranny?
The march of progress is relentless. There is also another bike, far cheaper than either the D16rr or S1000rr that puts down similar numbers, the one nobody seems to realize has the most potent motor the Japanese have unleashed to date for a 1000cc streetbike, the 2007 Yamaha R1. With similar mods, full exhaust, PCV and tuning it will do about 153 bhp on pump gas and over 160 bhp on the same dyno on race fuel. If you want stupid fast and stupid cheap for the power, look seriously at an 07 R1.
The RSV4 makes 13 bhp less at 13k rpm but 20 bhp more at 7-8k rpm. I prefer to have more in the middle on 4t engines, all top end is what I like on 2t engines.
I did enjoy the D16rr every month I had it parked in the garage...not a lot of riding because you never seem to forget you are riding a very expensive bike that can cost a lot to fix for a milliseconds lack of attention.
It does have a limiter, it hits a little over 14k rpm, since peak power comes a little under 14k rpm I decided not to bounce the engine off the limiter. With this dyno, I just program it to stop the test about 100-200 rpm before the limiter intervenes.
well thank you a lot! you know factories indicates false data about the engines power. in italy an italian newspaper called MOTOCICLISMO tested the panigale (195hp)...on the dyno it was 185 at the engine output, and 169 at the rear wheel... that is why i'm really skeptical about theese kind of dataXD...
@DeeJayMiikkii All bikes can upshift w/o a clutch you just have to time it good, my buell didnt have a slipper clutch and i could upshift w/o clutch easily. Slipper clutches are indicative by the fact that on the clutch side handle you usually have a reservoir of hydraulic fluid/mirrored master cylinder look-alike.
mmmm...you must not be looking at the same tire, it is actually all the way to the edge on the rear and close on the front. Honestly, there is nothing scary about riding the D16rr other than the price of replacement parts, it is even docile around town.
@MicahShoemaker Couldn't care less about the cig around the bike, it's not mine so I don't care. But I do find it to be a bit unprofessional looking, not that I say you are, to potential clients. Anyway, is the dip you hear just before redlining the bike is a standard issue? Or just a thought of my imagination?
well thats good, your happy, im perfectly happy myself, and its good that you trust him, i was just saying that i personally wouldnt want cigarette ash on my bike, that's party because im not a fan of smoking myself, but that either here nor there :)
What the video cannot possibly show is the time before the "video" session...I never beat a motor (drag bikes on alcohol exception) while motor is cold...no worries there.
@ITALIANGTRR34 i didnt realise that the bike had it, and i am into bikes, but personally, i prefer to use the clutch, i heard that even if the bikes do have the sensor on it, it still causes more ware than if you were to use the clutch... yeah i supose i see you point but i still wouldnt be happy lol
I know, I mean what were the chances they would charge over $70k for a bike that is "almost" as powerful as a well tuned 2007 Yamaha R1...why bother right....
You don't need clutch on the move ONLY if you have quickshifter,otherwise soon or later you will have problem with your gearbox. Clutch is there for a reason!!!!!!
@21scuderia A slipper clutch just prevents the rear wheel from locking up under compression braking, by allowing the wheel to go faster than the engine (at those revs, in that gear) 'as it were'. So, yeah you can still shift without the clutch. However i notice the gp guys use the clutch to keep everything smooth, for downshifts. Mind you they drop through the gears while they're still going fast under brakes, must give the slipper clutch arseholes!
You should see what I do to really expensive bikes! This one is close to stock. There is no need to sit on the bike with the type of dyno I use, it is strapped at the footrests, one dyno room explosion and you will never sit on one again I promise. Clutchless shifting is how I have ridden streetbikes for 300k miles, never a gearbox problem so no worries there, same goes for a decade of racing as well. As for the smoking, I promise you the bike nor the owner cared, but I should quit.
Now we can't compare bikes to cars in this kind of playing field. Unless it's an actual MotoGp bike. Like a Ferrari it will gain in value. Between the Desmo and the RSV4. They depreciate right out of the show room. I say it's not a fair comparison because the Desmo is a MotoGP bike and the RSV4 is a SuperBike. Like comparing Yamaha R1 to a Yamaha YZR M1...
I went ahead and removed almost all the nasty from this series of exchanges. Sorry if I deleted comments not made by me, I think it was getting too ugly. Now, may peace be with us all.
@chevv08baby They are not mine, I am just the guy trusted to be in the middle of some amazing hardware and software too for that matter. The smoking is probably not a big deal considering the toxins shooting out of the pipes, leaded fuels, oils, partially burned free radicals and soot, ugly on the health I am sure. Ciggies are definitely not helping though, my will to week during the summer to try my annual quitting session.
@nara94 I can only guess you are not happy now really? The owner is a personal friend, one who lent me the bike to ride for 6 months after he broke his leg in a motorcycle accident, so I am guessing he is OK with all this. From the comments on this video one would think I was holding a crack pipe and a torch...lol
This wasn't a fair match up. Ducati's design was based off their ultimate MotoGP bike. Aprilia RSV4 is a whole new designed bike. I'm pretty sure with the extra $50,000 put into the Aprilia it would greatly surpass the Ducati. Not bashing any bike... If I had the money... I'd get both and drive the sh*t out of them on the track :)
Don't sweat these guys with NO knowledge brother. People who go on about having to use the clutch on up shifts with a seq-gearbox are either novices with little riding experience or are not familiar with racing and or QS. I never use the clutch on my MX Bike or my Panigale when racing or riding hard putting in laps at the track....they simply do not have the experience. Good indicator....look at the sides of the rear tires on their street bikes and you'll know why they don't know....comprede!
the STI would lose. Those aren't geared to hit 200+ mph. Now if we're talking GTR34... Oowwweeee... it's so over for the Ferrari, lol! But for value wise. The prancing horse will always keep it's value if not increase in value in the long run.
eh, why am i an idiot?... yeah fair enouh if you have a quick shifter but if you dont it wears your clutch plats and isnt exactly the best thing for your bike, theres a clutch for a reason ;)
I'm the owner and I'm happy. Happiness is a state of mind. You probably need to work on that. I've known Micah for a LONG time. I trust him implicitly.
No quick shifter on this one, just years of learning to time clutch-less shifts on the street, track and dyno. It's no biggie, done right it goes as smoothly as a well set up quickshift and I have NEVER hurt a personal or customer gearbox to date.
+Micah Shoemaker Even if it's harmless, it looks unprofessional and you look like a douchebag trying to prove himself lol. Why do you have to smoke a cig while doing the dyno? I don't get it.. Just sit on the bike and do your job. Professionally.
+Martin Broski I used to smoke, now I don't. This is not a sit-on type Dyno, bike is strapped down.
There's absolutely nothing unprofessional about upshifting and downshifting a dog engagement gearbox without the clutch. To think otherwise is completely stupid.
why the technician is not on the bike?
Seriously I reference this video all the time.
I sorely wish Someone made a V4 automotive engine with proper architecture for high HP. The ungodly sound they make is magnificent.
Well it looks like it might be compact enough for a shaft output, but usually motorcycle engines are really hard to transfer into longitudinal shaft drive applications.
I was referring to something with a little more displacement, the Vmax engine would be on the right track but again you run into cost issues with such an exotic motor.
i work as a fulltime ducati meachanic, i was somehow lucky enough to ride one of these last week, you can hear it from miles away, they are stupidly fast
All good, and yes, totally spot on, for me the "ride" is very seldom about pure horsepower...there is so much more to the experience than just brutal acceleration or top speed. My personal daily ride is a Vespa 300 Super...I just like to ride.
The no-clutch upshifting is just something I have done for the last couple of decades, the clutch-less downshifting however is something I can only pull off on bikes I know real well and have a lot of seat time on. I do not have more D16RR videos at this time, most owners did not heavily modify those bikes around here but occasionally one will come in for either service or simple mods. There is really very little that needs to be upgraded on that machine, awesome out of the crate!
@21scuderia You match the revs by throttling off as you would normally for an upshift, however you must ensure that you shift the gear lever to select the next gear at the correct time for the rpm of the engine to match the rpm the engine will be doing in the next gear. Eg, you are doing 100kmh in second gear at 8000rpm, in third gear at that speed the bike will be doing 6800rpm, you throttle off and shift the lever to engage the next gear at 6800rpm. This all takes a fraction of a second.
All sequential shift manual trannies CAN BE smoothly shifted without clutch. The "gap" between gear ratios definitely makes some easier to do than others. I just got back from test riding a lowly 96' 900SS/SP and like every other Ducati I have here it shifts fine without use of the clutch for upshifts. Most higher end and newer generation bikes either come stock with a "quickshifter" or one can be added easily. My 2012 Tuono V4 demo has one right out of the crate. 50ms per shift.
@sullivanvictor the D16RR is derived from a 2006 motoGP model... the s1000rr is of course from newer technology, the engine/piston dynamics of the einthausand is real oversquare focused on top end power. The d16rr is got a lot of CF on it unlike the s1rr which has none, also its not a production bike likes its Bavarian counter-part. among some other diffs that i may have overlooked.
Different dynos, different fuels and difference in the internal mappings in the ECU. My dyno reads very conservative numbers but is deadly accurate for examining changes made to mapping or engines.
My above comment was meant in reply to crazy4honda's comment, not yours Micah. I can tell you like the D16RR already...
To above honda guy- the experience of the awesome power combined with the wicked sound is a huge part of the riding experience. It's not always just about which one goes fastest.
1198 is good for about 133/135 bhp on this dyno. It reads low but it is deadly accurate, no hype or driveline losses accounted for, just how much power gets through the back tire to the roller. 153bhp is VERY strong for a naturally aspirated bike on this dyno, only the 2007 R1, 2012 ZX10r and S1000rr are in the same league. Even Busas do not touch these numbers with only light modifications.
Ducati Corse WSBK, 1999 spec bikes sold to Ducati USA and raced in AMA were 149.7-151.3 bhp. Aprilia Corse RSW250 perfectly tuned...no shit, 108 bhp! Pro Stock drag ZX14R with $20k USD motor, 175 bhp. ZX12r Turbo at 14 psi boost was 247 bhp, 1060cc Aprilia RSVR Factory, supercharged at 13.5psi boost, methanol injection and nitrous, 260 bhp.
The clutch is necessary for initial starts and downshifts... but if you do a bit of research you'll find they've been doing clutchless upshifts for over 20 years in MotoGP. Clutchless upshifts are beneficial because they do not disturb the bike as much during shifts, and the action required to do it is effortless (if done correctly). A properly executed clutchless can be the difference between making a corner or laying it down.
Awesome sounding V4 as always!
Micah, do you have a chance to dyno a new Vmax with Akrapovic? Pls post a video if you have done it. Thanks!
I certainly wont be letting this bloke loose on my bike, I can guarantee you that much.
No problem, to put my dyno in perspective, here are some common bikes all with pipe and tuning of PCIIIusb or equivalent: 2007 R1 puts down 151-153 bhp, dead stock 2003 Busa 129.9 bhp, 999s Ducati 125 bhp, Aprilia RSVR V2 112-119 (stock bore), Aprilia RSV4 APRC 143 bhp, 2012 ZX10r 162 bhp, s1000rr BMW 151 bhp stock, 162 bhp with a pipe, 2009 R1 dead stock 125bhp, 2009 R1 full Akro, Pasani flash and PCV tune, 141 bhp.
Listen to that sound! Never heard a bike like it
No problem, hopefully i will have some more vids coming soon too, I have a few camera worthy bikes in line for tuning right now from fuel injected (port) 2 stroke to an Aprilia RSV-SP getting some mods and tuning!
1:40-1:44. Why did the video suddenly get blurry? Was it because of the high db in the room?
Not yet, I have one coming in sometime in the next few months for tuning once the owner gets done with all his little mods. I prefer to tune them once, not once after each new mod is added unless the customer really likes paying for dyno time.
@21scuderia Sorry for the long comment, A clutchless downshift requires you to 'blip' the throttle to attain the correct engine rpm for the gear you are going down to. This tends to work in unison with applying pressure to the lever to disengage the current gear and the blip happens in the gap that the gear dog has to traverse to engage the next gear. It doesn't require a slipper clutch, it doesn't damage the gearbox (as long as the revs are matched correctly) and it takes time to get competent.
As far as I know, (and I may be wrong) the Desmo has the same Transmissions featured in it's MotoGP counterparts. It should be fine. Most bikes should be fine, but I do agree with your concern regarding the price tag. I do expect however being that this is his friend's bike that he would have been sure to know what are do's and do not's of his bike. :)
Thanks for your reply. WOW what a machine!
@nara94 hey its a race bike,they all have clutchless shifting. It has a sensor on the shift leg that senses the pressure on the leg an cuts the ignition or cuts the engine for a milla second or something like that to allow it to shift without the clutch. You can buy them for any bike,if your into bikes or race bikes you should have known that. the cig thing I understand but a bit of ash isnt going to hurt anything,it gets covered in dirt and bugs,so which is worse??
Sort of, once the engine gets into the very high output range the amount of energy coming out of the pipe(s) is insane, the camera shake (even with full lens based image stabilization) is basically from very high frequency and amplitude shock waves in the room.
@DeeJayMiikkii I thought slipper clutches allow the rear wheel to spin faster than the engine when re-engaging the clutch, so the engine doesnt over rev and lock up the rear wheel....
damn even the camera was shaking what a powerful beast
How about a Desmosedici RR with DP exhaust? Have you dyno'd one? I'm curious what the DP exhaust contribute to the bike.
Which is faster in a straight, the Desmosedici RR or the S1000RR?
Damn, nailed me! If it burns fuel and travels across ground, water or through air I friggin love it. I did quit smoking however, had to pay for my airplane habit somehow right, and lets face it, at 10k feet in the air, smokers pay a hefty penalty in terms of situational awareness. I ride a Vespa most days so brand loyalty is not my number one issue. Any V4 is cool with me, as Motus dealer number 1, RSV4 tuner, Honda RC30 nut and whatnot it may not be evident!
Retail price was one thing, but when these first came out there was a buying frenzy and a healthy economy to back it up. Most early ones were sold at or over retail...and you do want those pipes and ecu with the bike right?
Gara, in that environment, in the dyno room, smoking a ciggy is the least of my concerns. Temps of up to 133F, acoustic pounding of the body, Carbon Monoxide inhalation, organic solvents deposition on skin...these are the things that worry me in that room. Hell last week I had a chain let go on a Ducati M900 and that was like being slightly shielded from a grenade.
Yes, i do. And what do you mean after start?
It's my desmo. He has plenty of respect for it. So do I. I own 13 different brands of motorcycles, so try not to get confused. Not everyone is brand loyal to a fault.
What is a "tab" or "tab-on"? Have not heard that one before?
@nara94 hey its no big deal,I dont know about the more ware issue from not useing the clutch? I havent heard anyting about it,I mean it could happen if the shifter isnt setup right and its not cutting the engine out before the shift,or if its a cheap shifter.But I highly doubt that would happen on a ducati race bike at all,its the same system they use on their real moto GP bikes and superbikes as well,but you never know I guess. If the setup is wrong it can happen,but I see your point,
Yes, so will the new ZX10r...but...the D16rr is one hell of a ride!
Motorcycles use sequential manual gearboxes for the most part, the clutch is not required for anything but the start if you are used to the bike and tranny. Upshifting is something that I pretty much never use the clutch for and on track bike downshifting without the clutch is pretty seamless once you are VERY familiar with the bike. In over 300k street miles and 10 years of racing I have never killed a tranny?
What was that 179 "DynoJet" HP about?
Peak was 13.5-14k rpm, dyno was set to stop test after reaching peak rpm power, no need to rev it just for grins...on the dyno at least.
The march of progress is relentless. There is also another bike, far cheaper than either the D16rr or S1000rr that puts down similar numbers, the one nobody seems to realize has the most potent motor the Japanese have unleashed to date for a 1000cc streetbike, the 2007 Yamaha R1. With similar mods, full exhaust, PCV and tuning it will do about 153 bhp on pump gas and over 160 bhp on the same dyno on race fuel. If you want stupid fast and stupid cheap for the power, look seriously at an 07 R1.
The RSV4 makes 13 bhp less at 13k rpm but 20 bhp more at 7-8k rpm. I prefer to have more in the middle on 4t engines, all top end is what I like on 2t engines.
I did enjoy the D16rr every month I had it parked in the garage...not a lot of riding because you never seem to forget you are riding a very expensive bike that can cost a lot to fix for a milliseconds lack of attention.
Desmo looks really lean in the low to mid range rpms if that is a A/F ratio on the bottom of the chart
isn't it bad to be shifting gears without the clutch? i suppose you're only doing it for a short time...
einfach der Wahnsinn der V4 Motor mit 200PS göttlich
It does have a limiter, it hits a little over 14k rpm, since peak power comes a little under 14k rpm I decided not to bounce the engine off the limiter. With this dyno, I just program it to stop the test about 100-200 rpm before the limiter intervenes.
well thank you a lot! you know factories indicates false data about the engines power.
in italy an italian newspaper called MOTOCICLISMO tested the panigale (195hp)...on the dyno it was 185 at the engine output, and 169 at the rear wheel... that is why i'm really skeptical about theese kind of dataXD...
it produces RWHP the same as S1000RR, & the price is 5 times...how can this happen?
That sound wow amazing
chain looks a little slack yeah?
@DeeJayMiikkii All bikes can upshift w/o a clutch you just have to time it good, my buell didnt have a slipper clutch and i could upshift w/o clutch easily. Slipper clutches are indicative by the fact that on the clutch side handle you usually have a reservoir of hydraulic fluid/mirrored master cylinder look-alike.
mmmm...you must not be looking at the same tire, it is actually all the way to the edge on the rear and close on the front. Honestly, there is nothing scary about riding the D16rr other than the price of replacement parts, it is even docile around town.
i think he might sell em aswell mate still have the desmo tho
no clutch huh?
@MicahShoemaker stock s1000rr in europe puts out 183 rwhp
why are people moaning about him not using the clutch? it clearly has a quick shifter...... (clutch isn't needed)
At 1:43 you can hear a turbine-like whistle...awesome...
@MicahShoemaker Couldn't care less about the cig around the bike, it's not mine so I don't care. But I do find it to be a bit unprofessional looking, not that I say you are, to potential clients. Anyway, is the dip you hear just before redlining the bike is a standard issue? Or just a thought of my imagination?
well thats good, your happy, im perfectly happy myself, and its good that you trust him, i was just saying that i personally wouldnt want cigarette ash on my bike, that's party because im not a fan of smoking myself, but that either here nor there :)
What the video cannot possibly show is the time before the "video" session...I never beat a motor (drag bikes on alcohol exception) while motor is cold...no worries there.
Couldn't agree more.
@steelcityracer1320 if you think $80k is too much...? you really won't like the price of the next version ($100k).
0:30 intense!
Did anyone else notice the guy had an Aprilia Racing jacket on?
@MrVincenzo7 la D16rr ha il cambio elettronico di serie...
@ITALIANGTRR34 i didnt realise that the bike had it, and i am into bikes, but personally, i prefer to use the clutch, i heard that even if the bikes do have the sensor on it, it still causes more ware than if you were to use the clutch... yeah i supose i see you point but i still wouldnt be happy lol
I know, I mean what were the chances they would charge over $70k for a bike that is "almost" as powerful as a well tuned 2007 Yamaha R1...why bother right....
@21scuderia Match the revs, and you can change up or down with no clutch.
You don't need clutch on the move ONLY if you have quickshifter,otherwise soon or later you will have problem with your gearbox. Clutch is there for a reason!!!!!!
i think you need some bigger straps..man that thing nearly punched a hole in your fan
@21scuderia A slipper clutch just prevents the rear wheel from locking up under compression braking, by allowing the wheel to go faster than the engine (at those revs, in that gear) 'as it were'.
So, yeah you can still shift without the clutch. However i notice the gp guys use the clutch to keep everything smooth, for downshifts. Mind you they drop through the gears while they're still going fast under brakes, must give the slipper clutch arseholes!
You should see what I do to really expensive bikes! This one is close to stock. There is no need to sit on the bike with the type of dyno I use, it is strapped at the footrests, one dyno room explosion and you will never sit on one again I promise. Clutchless shifting is how I have ridden streetbikes for 300k miles, never a gearbox problem so no worries there, same goes for a decade of racing as well. As for the smoking, I promise you the bike nor the owner cared, but I should quit.
@genki718 whats the reason for this coment? i was just expressing how i feel :)
HOLY SHIT!!! Does that thing not have a rev limiter?? Damn thats sexy!!!!
Unfortunately not, getting my private pilot's license is costing me about $8k USD!
Now we can't compare bikes to cars in this kind of playing field. Unless it's an actual MotoGp bike. Like a Ferrari it will gain in value. Between the Desmo and the RSV4. They depreciate right out of the show room. I say it's not a fair comparison because the Desmo is a MotoGP bike and the RSV4 is a SuperBike. Like comparing Yamaha R1 to a Yamaha YZR M1...
This guy has no idea how to make a dyno.....
Dude take the cigarette away from the bike dont want ash on it and also use the flippin clutch on this beautiful machine
I went ahead and removed almost all the nasty from this series of exchanges. Sorry if I deleted comments not made by me, I think it was getting too ugly. Now, may peace be with us all.
You don't need to clutch the change up gears. Goo look it up.(in this case he should of but It dose not fuck the bike/clutch.)
@MicahShoemaker fair enough, but personally i wouldnt be to happy if i was the owner...
@chevv08baby They are not mine, I am just the guy trusted to be in the middle of some amazing hardware and software too for that matter. The smoking is probably not a big deal considering the toxins shooting out of the pipes, leaded fuels, oils, partially burned free radicals and soot, ugly on the health I am sure. Ciggies are definitely not helping though, my will to week during the summer to try my annual quitting session.
@ThePanzola Thats euros, US dollars are worth less than euros
yeah. when you add the rider's skills, it would really depend on the level of the rider.
@nara94 I can only guess you are not happy now really? The owner is a personal friend, one who lent me the bike to ride for 6 months after he broke his leg in a motorcycle accident, so I am guessing he is OK with all this. From the comments on this video one would think I was holding a crack pipe and a torch...lol
OK, makes perfect sense now if "tab on" has something to do with my unfortunate addiction to nicotine. One day maybe I can drop a bad habit or three?
This wasn't a fair match up. Ducati's design was based off their ultimate MotoGP bike. Aprilia RSV4 is a whole new designed bike. I'm pretty sure with the extra $50,000 put into the Aprilia it would greatly surpass the Ducati. Not bashing any bike... If I had the money... I'd get both and drive the sh*t out of them on the track :)
Because it has a quick shifter, you don't have to clutch!
No shit! The Dollar is heading into the trash bin. I just got back from Central America, at least a Dollar is still worth something down there!
on hp yes because D16RR is castrated to get streetlegal. On track the D16RR would smoke S1000RR like the 1098R did
He is not respecting this desmo... OH i know why! He's a fan of Aprilia! Look at what he's wearing!
Don't sweat these guys with NO knowledge brother. People who go on about having to use the clutch on up shifts with a seq-gearbox are either novices with little riding experience or are not familiar with racing and or QS. I never use the clutch on my MX Bike or my Panigale when racing or riding hard putting in laps at the track....they simply do not have the experience. Good indicator....look at the sides of the rear tires on their street bikes and you'll know why they don't know....comprede!
153 bhp ?! the 1198 has more
Yep, but this sounds 10 times better...and you can't tell me that if you had one you wouldn't enjoy it.
the STI would lose. Those aren't geared to hit 200+ mph. Now if we're talking GTR34... Oowwweeee... it's so over for the Ferrari, lol! But for value wise. The prancing horse will always keep it's value if not increase in value in the long run.
The owner of that bike paid about $80k for it. He smoke too BTW.
eh, why am i an idiot?... yeah fair enouh if you have a quick shifter but if you dont it wears your clutch plats and isnt exactly the best thing for your bike, theres a clutch for a reason ;)
i bought my k7 gsxr1000 for 6000grand. if this bike was for 6000grand i would of picked the ducati over the gsxr1000