I’ve had breast cancer. Surgery for a lumpectomy, chemotherapy, radiotherapy and I’m a nurse. Now over 5 years out and no recurrence despite it’s grade 3 status.Thank goodness for expert advice. Please listen to your oncologist!!!
Thank you for posting that. My husband's late wife decided to forgo surgery for stage I breast cancer, either a mastectomy with reconstruction, or a lumpectomy plus radiation, in favor of just radiation and chemo alone. She even wrote a book about curing breast cancer without surgery but couldn't find a publisher. Eight years later, she died from metastatic breast cancer.
I had a friend that did everything her medical team advised for her breast cancer and eight years later she died as well from metastatic breast cancer.
I am an Oncology NP in the US and I tell my patients “you are the Captain of the ship and you get to decide where you want your ship to go, you are also free to change the direction of your ship at any time. However, it is MY job to give you the information you need to make an INFORMED decision about your treatment”. Bottom line - I might not agree with a patient’s decision but as long as I feel they truly understand the potential benefits and risks of the options, I respect it is their choice to make. But the information needs to come from a trusted source. This headline might be great to promote a book, but it does a great disservice to women who are already confused and overwhelmed about their diagnosis and treatment.
Perfect, adults are responsible for their decisions. Your job is to inform them of the science and options. Can't cure their personality or brain function. Let them live or die by their decision. Harder to do if it involves their dependent child. Not sure of the law there. I don't mind if it rests with the parents, it's their loss. I personally would always follow the science but then I understand how science works.
I listened to her interview. According to her, her lumpectomy didn’t leave clear margins. I am not a doctor but I have never heard that be the case for a stage 0 diagnosis of her type of cancer. She recieved the treatment that anyone would have recieved and no doctor would recommend chemo or mastectomy given her diagnosis. No one is saying she does not have a right and I absolutely agree we should all do what’s best for us. I personally cannot handle chemicals and I would opt out of chemo at the risk of my health because I know it would kill me. I would be willing to do hormone treatments and surgery which is the case for some cancers. For others chemo, surgery and so radiation is recommended. This is all so complex but I don’t feel she is being honest and that’s the problem. She can’t possibly state what she did saved her when the surgery she had was the treatment. 32 doctors? And they all said that. This story is grating me- how can she say that? I know stage 4 breast cancer survivors who are doing holistic medicine and fight everyday- let’s interview them. I am not buying her story and really have a disdain for people who falsely claim they cured their cancer or prevented recurrence when she had very little chances of that being the case.
Theres no proof either that chemo kills cancer. My Oncologist said that it only works for about a third of women who have it post surgery. He said that one third of patients won't have needed it and in one third the cancer returns anyway and one third receive benefit from it. Some die from it so its not that great in terms of successful outcomes.
Influencers….do not use them for your health care. Seek medical advice. I so agree with you and thank you for getting it out there. I won’t be buying the book.
Elle did seek medical advice. She stated she had medical advice from 32 doctors. All of which had different protocols & opinions of what her medical treatment should be based on her type of cancer. Elle is allowed ( just like we all should be) to make her own decisions on what treatment was right for her. There are no guarantees that using chemotherapy/ radiation will heal you. There are many people with cancer who have chosen Holistic therapies & are thriving & cancer free. Some have chosen to do a combo of both. How narrow minded of this Dr to bash Elle simply because she is sharing her experience.She isn’t telling anybody to do what she has done. We all have free will& i am so thankful to Elle for having the courage to share HER healing journey. Happy to hear she is in full remission & THRIVING!! A great book to read by Dr Turner is : Radical Remissions!!
She even said Hormone Replacement, which was the wrong terminology, it was the interviewer who said it correctly as Hormone Therapy as an estrogen blocker, Elle was very sketchy on details
I totally agree with you, Liz ,my first cancer. Everything was given nothing heald back that was 16 years ago, 4 weeks ago I opeded for my other brest mastectomy I was told it was dcis, my results were good but would have hade to ho back if I did not have that second mastectomy I'm am flat now and happy to know I'm as safe as I can be for now at least, thank you for all your hard work❤
Thank you so much ❤ Going throu all of the treatments is so hard. But harder for me would be cancer coming back and not seeing my little daughter grow up. Knowing i didnt do anything i could. Great responsability there, not just for your own life...
Great advice as always, Liz. Thanks for continuing to be the strong advocate for so many breast cancer patients. This is truly remarkable given your own raw and gruelling journey. There's only one book to be purchased soon and that must be Liz's third!
Well said, Dr. Liz! I just saw the interview on 60 Minutes Australia and her answers were very vague. As a cancer survivor with HER2+, E/P+ I was initially skeptical but afterwards it all felt very fishy. She also had two lumpectomies and she said that she likes to do things naturally. Would have been nice to acknowledge that as non-natural medicine. Thanks again!
I also watched the 60 minutes interview. Elle did acknowledge the benefits of Western medicine. She chose the lumpectomy, recommended to her by doctors. In addition to the lumpectomy, her doctors also recommended masectomy, chemotherapy and radiation. It was the masectomy, chemotherapy and radiation that she refused. I have no issue with her choice. In fact, if I was ever diagnosed with cancer, I would most likely also look at alternatives to chemotherapy and radiation. I am not saying that I would not choose chemotherapy or radiation but that I would look into other modalities. In the circle of people that I know, 6 were diagnosed with cancer, ranging in age from 17 to 65. All were treated with chemotherapy, radiation or a combination of both. All 6 passed away from cancer.
@@niram4107I’m sorry to hear about your friends with cancer passing away. What I was referring to was Elle not giving her treatment (2 lumpectomies) as non-natural. She said she did it all natural. She said Western medicine is good for if you got into a car accident or something like that. I forgot the exact reference. What I have learned from 2 years from my diagnosis is every situation is unique and it is difficult to paint with the same brush. I’ve done chemo, radiation, surgery, chiropractic, physio, counselling, osteo, massage, acupuncture and naturopathic medicine. Yes, she can do as she wish. No problem there for me.
@@niram4107 many I know also passed away after doing all the chemo, radiation and surgeries. The ones I know that only did surgery for breast cancer, are STILL here almost 10 yrs later. They were stage 1 grade 1 IDC, Hormone receptor +. Refused the AI meds and Tamoxifen too. Your Body, your choice. Taking Poison and weakening your immune system has always seemed harsh to me as well as wiping out all of your estrogen too.
Love your channel and do not want to give Elle any attention whatsoever. I'm sorry, but as a breast cancer survivor this just irks the heck out of me. As you said, she is a shrewd business person and it's all about the money honey.
I remember a famous woman in my country years ago was all over the news, giving interviews in magazines and appearing in talk shows, because she decided to fight breast cancer with alternative medicine. She died after a couple of years later of metastatic breast cancer. The story stuck by me for years and now that I´ve been diagnosed myself with stage 3 breast cancer I´m happy to be in the hands of the excellent medical team at my University Hospital. (And treated by my cute surgeon 😘 hahaha, half the women in his care have a crush on him!)
I agree that she 2:47 has a book to sell and this is a marketing ploy. The media is sensationalizing this saying she turned down conventional medicine. I listened to the 60 minutes interview and she actually had TWO lumpectomies. According to the interview even after the second lumpectomy she did not have clear margins . So this sounds like stage 1 cancer . So it's very confusing that this cancer is being called intraductal . Were there actual cancer cells in those margins or perhaps atypical cells??? Now I wish her well and she has the right to chose for herself , but I would be careful about following her strategy with such limited info.incidentally for myself I chose a combination of conventional and alternative treatment.i have had chemo and some of these drugs can have potentially life altering/ lethal side effects. The week after chemo I had a MANDATORY follow up with the oncologist so he could change your dosage if side effects were too severe. Chemo can damage your white blood cells so that you are susceptible to infection . After each chemo session we had a dev ice taped to the shoulder that would inject a drug about 24 hours later to stimulate your bone marrow to produce .ore white blood cells. They didn't wait for our white count to drop, they proactively gave us the drug because they knew our white count would drop.Pick an oncologist who is proactive about safety. The first oncologist said we're going to drop your counts to 500 and you'll be more in danger from the bacteria in your own body than from other people. ( I found someone else).
Thank you for this and all you do. Cancer is the worst and all we can do it try and listen to those that deal with it day in and day out. The ones that have the education and knowledge of this disease. I think you call them doctors. They really do know more than google. Love. You and all you stand for.
32 dr's, whaaa? I thought info I read was older than right now. I agree totally with you and glad I found your youtube for better, detailed info. One year gone from my second chemo, and doing ok, stronger, but still have neuropathy, dry eyes, etc... Go with the flow, and take care of yourself!
I find this non-party line cancer treatment panic rather awe-inspiring. If we can all take a breath and a step back for a moment, I’d like to point out a few things. 1) Not all cancer is the same thing. Some cancers, particularly some childhood cancers, respond very very well to treatment and treatment has improved over the last 50 years. Some cancers are very slow moving. Some take up space that ultimately crowds out stuff you need. Some are systemic and tank your immune system or your bone integrity. 2) treatments are generally very hard on the body and few double blind studies exist (because they are considered unethical) that show the long term results of foregoing conventional treatment on various types of cancer. 3) Overall can cure rates are not stunningly better than they were 50 years ago. Yes, there are some exceptions. 4) Not all bodies are the same. While there are some targeted treatments for cancer with varying success overall, the chemo/radiation combo (before or after surgery or both if the cancer is the tumor kind) is the standard. This treatment itself has damaging, short and long-term effects, in some cases lethal ones. We don’t have all the answers. Treatment is still not great. Yes, it’s getting better… incrementally. Outcomes are very far from assured. Sometimes the treatment is worse than the cure. With that in mind I think we can all be humble, including oncologists, and recognize that SCR is not the only viable method. There may be many instances where Cancer is untreated in the conventional sense and the person does fine. I wonder what we would see if we could autopsy everyone over 80 when they pass. Just because someone survives a conventional cancer treatment doesn’t mean they’re cured. Reoccurrence is very high and immuno-damaged bodies are not the best weapons. We need to recognize it’s not a one-stop fits all approach and also be realistic about the efficacy, cost and downsides of the current treatment options. People can and do thrive without conventional treatment.
Thank you Elle for being brave and courages sharing your journey....there are so many people now looking to other ways to heal cause this system does not care about you as a whole...it only preys on your fear.
That is why her information is dangerous. Because now other vulnerable women will think that what Elle did works and they will also choose that. And they might have cancer that is more advanced and they will likely die. The system does care actually. The ‘system’ is made up of human beings who have people that they love who are also touched by cancer. The ‘system’ wants to do the very best it can by every person who is diagnosed.
Elle McPherson did this just to sell more books while pretending that her chapter on CANCER is not about CANCER at all but about "decision making". This doublespeak is not OK. Just wondering how much time does it take to see 32 doctors? Surely her cancer wound not have put itself on pause whilst she did this???
Chemo may or may not cure a cancer as it depends on each individual‘s very specific case but to choose not to have it if recommended is playing with fire
I don’t know why this is controversial.. Isn’t that what we’re suppose to do? get informed and make “our” own decision.. she’s not telling people to do as she did!
Thank you…for trying to fight ignorance too! There’s a particular type of ignorance that is the most damaging and doesn’t have a cure! The kind of misinformation some people spread should be considered a crime because it may really arm others! Your videos help me a lot in many ways. One of them is to learn what questions to ask my doctor and to understand better what they say. I am a portuguese on the portuguese national healthcare and I feel safe. Thank you for your channel and lllooooots of love from Lisbon!😊❤
But this is the point... there's no one willing to do the scientific research on the other stuff! If someone would do the trials we could put this argument to bed once and for all.
I live in the States and I feel the medical team is scarier than CANCER and I'm not even talking about the screwed up never ending medical bills that will keep coming in and in. The whole process can make one very ill, even if you weren't sick.
Good for her. It’s her choice after all. Why are people so upset. You have put her on a pedestal. She only shared her experience. Stop hating on this woman. She knows her own body more than any doctor or medical team.
I just listened to a podcast where a " Dr. Mike" was interviewed and spoke ofhowhe recovered from the shock ofhis mothers death . He was a med student picking up his mother after treatment for CLL. He was told his mom was cancer free ,just weak from the treatments. Two days later she was in the ICU with gram negative sepsis. Unfortunately she arrested and died. Thats why people look at alternative treatments and building health.
Right, unless Elle comes out and says, ALL PROCEEDS from her book will go to breast cancer organizations, then she is just trying to sell her supplements.
Did you ever stop & think that the very BEST thing to come out of this discussion is opening people’s ideas that there is no longer ONLY one way to face a cancer diagnosis ?!? That chemotherapy &/or radiation treatment is the ONLY way to treat cancer ?!? We live in a world where the medical community made a conscious decision to bury the fact that cannabis has one of the highest (no pun intended) success rates in fighting cancer. Why ? So that pharmaceutical companies would own the market on cancer treatment until the freedom of information act opened the door to the beginnings of truth. It is so simple to see that the priority was not the individual who was now facing the biggest scare of their lives but rather the companies who would make money off that person’s crisis. Why do so many in the medical field forget the very first thing they’re taught … do no harm ? Until it’s you or your loved ones having to face cancer & have the willingness to do their own research rather than simply accept what a doctor says, people really have no idea how much at least the US medical association is not about curing cancer & giving the best life to their patients but rather about putting profit above all else ~
Thank you Elle MacPherson for being brave enough to open the conversation about what holistic health means, obviously from the comments here it is a touchy subject.
As you stated "it is none of your business" so let her choose the path that she decided best for her journey. The fact that she is a person of notoriety accentuates her situation. If you don't agree you don't denigrate her choice.
I wish someone would actually do the trials for the non-patentable stuff. Then we could put this argument to bed because the research would be complete. Until that day comes, and because radiotherapy administered to me as a teenager now means I'm Stage 4 BC in my 30s, my mistrust of western medicine remains.
Yeah God 4bid anyone making their own choices regarding their health.....and sharing their story 7yrs L8r!!! Good on Elle I say... U come across unkind on here. Everyone should be able to stop and think about their options reg scary health issues- and not be seen as daft 4 doing something others don't agree wiv. Just sayin. 🙏 ❤
The thing is you are saying doctors like me will give it to you for free is not true, that’s why if these methods worked you won’t recommend them because they won’t make you money. I am not against or pro, just critical thinking
Absolutely true. Natural methods that have anticancer activity in the lab are NOT going to be investigated because natural substances cannot be patented ( and sold for profit)
Yes, people can heal without the usual poisonous treatments. Trust your own instinct combined with research and honest advice from professionals that truly care.
If I had to go back I would never do chemo (2004) it ruined my sleep also it was HRT caused my cancer and as for tamoxifen I stopped it side effects I were insomnia still have it today 3times to un alive myself
Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life; no-one comes to God except through Me (John 14:6). Jesus wants you to to cast all your cares on Him because He cares for you (1 Peter 5:7). Only by repenting of sin and trusting in Jesus to guide your life are you spiritually safe for all eternity. I encourage you to prayerfully read The Holy Bible ❤
But Liz, shouldn’t we ALL be talking about and discussing causes and treatments of cancer. The current mainstream way of treating cancer is not extending lives in many cases.. and is quite brutal on the immune system. I think Any discussions are worth our time? We can always debunk some of them, if needed. I would never buy her supplement! I would eat Real greens instead! 🥬
That is a lie not born out by the facts. Lots of cancer types have become more survivable with modern medicine. The most common childhood leukemia five-year survival rate has increased from a measly 10% in 1960 to 90% now, fact! Overall, the five-year survival rate for all cancers combined has went from 50% in 1976 to 70% by 2013. That represents tens of millions of people living longer and lots not dying at all from cancer after treatment. So stop talking nonsense.
I’ve had breast cancer. Surgery for a lumpectomy, chemotherapy, radiotherapy and I’m a nurse. Now over 5 years out and no recurrence despite it’s grade 3 status.Thank goodness for expert advice.
Please listen to your oncologist!!!
Thank you Liz…absolutely 100%
Thank you for posting that. My husband's late wife decided to forgo surgery for stage I breast cancer, either a mastectomy with reconstruction, or a lumpectomy plus radiation, in favor of just radiation and chemo alone. She even wrote a book about curing breast cancer without surgery but couldn't find a publisher. Eight years later, she died from metastatic breast cancer.
No guarantee if she had surgery that it wouldn’t metastasize. Many many women do surgery with chemo and radiation and it still kills them.
I had a friend that did everything her medical team advised for her breast cancer and eight years later she died as well from metastatic breast cancer.
@@krystlegarsha1296 exactly. Sometimes it just doesn’t matter. It fkn comes back
I am an Oncology NP in the US and I tell my patients “you are the Captain of the ship and you get to decide where you want your ship to go, you are also free to change the direction of your ship at any time. However, it is MY job to give you the information you need to make an INFORMED decision about your treatment”. Bottom line - I might not agree with a patient’s decision but as long as I feel they truly understand the potential benefits and risks of the options, I respect it is their choice to make. But the information needs to come from a trusted source. This headline might be great to promote a book, but it does a great disservice to women who are already confused and overwhelmed about their diagnosis and treatment.
Perfect, adults are responsible for their decisions. Your job is to inform them of the science and options. Can't cure their personality or brain function. Let them live or die by their decision.
Harder to do if it involves their dependent child. Not sure of the law there. I don't mind if it rests with the parents, it's their loss. I personally would always follow the science but then I understand how science works.
I listened to her interview. According to her, her lumpectomy didn’t leave clear margins. I am not a doctor but I have never heard that be the case for a stage 0 diagnosis of her type of cancer. She recieved the treatment that anyone would have recieved and no doctor would recommend chemo or mastectomy given her diagnosis. No one is saying she does not have a right and I absolutely agree we should all do what’s best for us. I personally cannot handle chemicals and I would opt out of chemo at the risk of my health because I know it would kill me. I would be willing to do hormone treatments and surgery which is the case for some cancers. For others chemo, surgery and so radiation is recommended. This is all so complex but I don’t feel she is being honest and that’s the problem. She can’t possibly state what she did saved her when the surgery she had was the treatment. 32 doctors? And they all said that. This story is grating me- how can she say that? I know stage 4 breast cancer survivors who are doing holistic medicine and fight everyday- let’s interview them. I am not buying her story and really have a disdain for people who falsely claim they cured their cancer or prevented recurrence when she had very little chances of that being the case.
Theres no proof either that chemo kills cancer. My Oncologist said that it only works for about a third of women who have it post surgery. He said that one third of patients won't have needed it and in one third the cancer returns anyway and one third receive benefit from it. Some die from it so its not that great in terms of successful outcomes.
Right
Are you trying to confuse people with facts?
Influencers….do not use them for your health care. Seek medical advice. I so agree with you and thank you for getting it out there. I won’t be buying the book.
Elle did seek medical advice. She stated she had medical advice from 32 doctors. All of which had different protocols & opinions of what her medical treatment should be based on her type of cancer. Elle is allowed ( just like we all should be) to make her own decisions on what treatment was right for her. There are no guarantees that using chemotherapy/ radiation will heal you. There are many people with cancer who have chosen Holistic therapies & are thriving & cancer free. Some have chosen to do a combo of both. How narrow minded of this Dr to bash Elle simply because she is sharing her experience.She isn’t telling anybody to do what she has done. We all have free will& i am so thankful to Elle for having the courage to share HER healing journey. Happy to hear she is in full remission & THRIVING!!
A great book to read by Dr Turner is : Radical Remissions!!
Cancer is a little shit!! 😂😂😂 I love Liz!!
She even said Hormone Replacement, which was the wrong terminology, it was the interviewer who said it correctly as Hormone Therapy as an estrogen blocker, Elle was very sketchy on details
Why did she waste the time of 32 doctors while people that want treatment could have had the precious time with the doctors.
She didn't waste their time. I am sure they didn't see her for free.
No one wastes time. Grow up
She didn’t waste their time, it’s her life , she can afford to see how many drs she wants
I totally agree with you, Liz ,my first cancer. Everything was given nothing heald back that was 16 years ago, 4 weeks ago I opeded for my other brest mastectomy I was told it was dcis, my results were good but would have hade to ho back if I did not have that second mastectomy I'm am flat now and happy to know I'm as safe as I can be for now at least, thank you for all your hard work❤
Thank you so much ❤ Going throu all of the treatments is so hard. But harder for me would be cancer coming back and not seeing my little daughter grow up. Knowing i didnt do anything i could.
Great responsability there, not just for your own life...
Great advice as always, Liz. Thanks for continuing to be the strong advocate for so many breast cancer patients. This is truly remarkable given your own raw and gruelling journey. There's only one book to be purchased soon and that must be Liz's third!
Well said, Dr. Liz! I just saw the interview on 60 Minutes Australia and her answers were very vague. As a cancer survivor with HER2+, E/P+ I was initially skeptical but afterwards it all felt very fishy. She also had two lumpectomies and she said that she likes to do things naturally. Would have been nice to acknowledge that as non-natural medicine. Thanks again!
I also watched the 60 minutes interview. Elle did acknowledge the benefits of Western medicine. She chose the lumpectomy, recommended to her by doctors. In addition to the lumpectomy, her doctors also recommended masectomy, chemotherapy and radiation. It was the masectomy, chemotherapy and radiation that she refused.
I have no issue with her choice. In fact, if I was ever diagnosed with cancer, I would most likely also look at alternatives to chemotherapy and radiation. I am not saying that I would not choose chemotherapy or radiation but that I would look into other modalities. In the circle of people that I know, 6 were diagnosed with cancer, ranging in age from 17 to 65. All were treated with chemotherapy, radiation or a combination of both. All 6 passed away from cancer.
@@niram4107I’m sorry to hear about your friends with cancer passing away.
What I was referring to was Elle not giving her treatment (2 lumpectomies) as non-natural. She said she did it all natural. She said Western medicine is good for if you got into a car accident or something like that. I forgot the exact reference.
What I have learned from 2 years from my diagnosis is every situation is unique and it is difficult to paint with the same brush.
I’ve done chemo, radiation, surgery, chiropractic, physio, counselling, osteo, massage, acupuncture and naturopathic medicine.
Yes, she can do as she wish. No problem there for me.
@@niram4107 many I know also passed away after doing all the chemo, radiation and surgeries. The ones I know that only did surgery for breast cancer, are STILL here almost 10 yrs later. They were stage 1 grade 1 IDC, Hormone receptor +. Refused the AI meds and Tamoxifen too. Your Body, your choice. Taking Poison and weakening your immune system has always seemed harsh to me as well as wiping out all of your estrogen too.
Love your channel and do not want to give Elle any attention whatsoever. I'm sorry, but as a breast cancer survivor this just irks the heck out of me. As you said, she is a shrewd business person and it's all about the money honey.
I remember a famous woman in my country years ago was all over the news, giving interviews in magazines and appearing in talk shows, because she decided to fight breast cancer with alternative medicine. She died after a couple of years later of metastatic breast cancer. The story stuck by me for years and now that I´ve been diagnosed myself with stage 3 breast cancer I´m happy to be in the hands of the excellent medical team at my University Hospital. (And treated by my cute surgeon 😘 hahaha, half the women in his care have a crush on him!)
❤❤ Dr Liz. Thanks for all you do for us.
Our dear Dr Liz, so much respect and love for you... 🙏
Unfortunately, and it's the sad truth, if there was a cure for cancer, it will never be released or made available. Cancer is a business.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
She needs to say what stage it is! Why won’t she say?
I agree that she 2:47 has a book to sell and this is a marketing ploy. The media is sensationalizing this saying she turned down conventional medicine. I listened to the 60 minutes interview and she actually had TWO lumpectomies. According to the interview even after the second lumpectomy she did not have clear margins . So this sounds like stage 1 cancer . So it's very confusing that this cancer is being called intraductal . Were there actual cancer cells in those margins or perhaps atypical cells??? Now I wish her well and she has the right to chose for herself , but I would be careful about following her strategy with such limited info.incidentally for myself I chose a combination of conventional and alternative treatment.i have had chemo and some of these drugs can have potentially life altering/ lethal side effects. The week after chemo I had a MANDATORY follow up with the oncologist so he could change your dosage if side effects were too severe. Chemo can damage your white blood cells so that you are susceptible to infection . After each chemo session we had a dev ice taped to the shoulder that would inject a drug about 24 hours later to stimulate your bone marrow to produce .ore white blood cells. They didn't wait for our white count to drop, they proactively gave us the drug because they knew our white count would drop.Pick an oncologist who is proactive about safety. The first oncologist said we're going to drop your counts to 500 and you'll be more in danger from the bacteria in your own body than from other people. ( I found someone else).
Bless her and good luck to her, her body, her choice..... despite all the press slagging her off!!!
Thank you for this and all you do. Cancer is the worst and all we can do it try and listen to those that deal with it day in and day out. The ones that have the education and knowledge of this disease. I think you call them doctors. They really do know more than google. Love. You and all you stand for.
32 dr's, whaaa? I thought info I read was older than right now. I agree totally with you and glad I found your youtube for better, detailed info. One year gone from my second chemo, and doing ok, stronger, but still have neuropathy, dry eyes, etc... Go with the flow, and take care of yourself!
Chemo doesn’t cure!
I find this non-party line cancer treatment panic rather awe-inspiring. If we can all take a breath and a step back for a moment, I’d like to point out a few things. 1) Not all cancer is the same thing. Some cancers, particularly some childhood cancers, respond very very well to treatment and treatment has improved over the last 50 years. Some cancers are very slow moving. Some take up space that ultimately crowds out stuff you need. Some are systemic and tank your immune system or your bone integrity. 2) treatments are generally very hard on the body and few double blind studies exist (because they are considered unethical) that show the long term results of foregoing conventional treatment on various types of cancer. 3) Overall can cure rates are not stunningly better than they were 50 years ago. Yes, there are some exceptions. 4) Not all bodies are the same. While there are some targeted treatments for cancer with varying success overall, the chemo/radiation combo (before or after surgery or both if the cancer is the tumor kind) is the standard. This treatment itself has damaging, short and long-term effects, in some cases lethal ones.
We don’t have all the answers. Treatment is still not great. Yes, it’s getting better… incrementally. Outcomes are very far from assured. Sometimes the treatment is worse than the cure.
With that in mind I think we can all be humble, including oncologists, and recognize that SCR is not the only viable method. There may be many instances where Cancer is untreated in the conventional sense and the person does fine. I wonder what we would see if we could autopsy everyone over 80 when they pass. Just because someone survives a conventional cancer treatment doesn’t mean they’re cured. Reoccurrence is very high and immuno-damaged bodies are not the best weapons. We need to recognize it’s not a one-stop fits all approach and also be realistic about the efficacy, cost and downsides of the current treatment options. People can and do thrive without conventional treatment.
Thankyou DR Liz.
Well said!
Thank you Elle for being brave and courages sharing your journey....there are so many people now looking to other ways to heal cause this system does not care about you as a whole...it only preys on your fear.
Indeed👍
That is why her information is dangerous. Because now other vulnerable women will think that what Elle did works and they will also choose that. And they might have cancer that is more advanced and they will likely die.
The system does care actually. The ‘system’ is made up of human beings who have people that they love who are also touched by cancer. The ‘system’ wants to do the very best it can by every person who is diagnosed.
100% agree Dr Liz, she have agenda, she thinking money 💰
I don’t trust any medical team
Well said Liz
Elle McPherson did this just to sell more books while pretending that her chapter on CANCER is not about CANCER at all but about "decision making". This doublespeak is not OK. Just wondering how much time does it take to see 32 doctors? Surely her cancer wound not have put itself on pause whilst she did this???
Chemo may or may not cure a cancer as it depends on each individual‘s very specific case but to choose not to have it if recommended is playing with fire
Thank you so much.
Well said, Dr Liz 👏
Well said, Dr. Liz!
Such an insightful video. Thank you
I don’t know why this is controversial.. Isn’t that what we’re suppose to do? get informed and make “our” own decision.. she’s not telling people to do as she did!
Thank you for speaking out.
Thank you…for trying to fight ignorance too! There’s a particular type of ignorance that is the most damaging and doesn’t have a cure! The kind of misinformation some people spread should be considered a crime because it may really arm others! Your videos help me a lot in many ways. One of them is to learn what questions to ask my doctor and to understand better what they say. I am a portuguese on the portuguese national healthcare and I feel safe. Thank you for your channel and lllooooots of love from Lisbon!😊❤
Thank you Dr Liz!
Thank you Liz
Thanks for your valuable advice based on scientific research and data. No mumbo-jumbo
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But this is the point... there's no one willing to do the scientific research on the other stuff! If someone would do the trials we could put this argument to bed once and for all.
I live in the States and I feel the medical team is scarier than CANCER and I'm not even talking about the screwed up never ending medical bills that will keep coming in and in. The whole process can make one very ill, even if you weren't sick.
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Good for her. It’s her choice after all. Why are people so upset. You have put her on a pedestal. She only shared her experience. Stop hating on this woman.
She knows her own body more than any doctor or medical team.
I just listened to a podcast where a " Dr. Mike" was interviewed and spoke ofhowhe recovered from the shock ofhis mothers death . He was a med student picking up his mother after treatment for CLL. He was told his mom was cancer free ,just weak from the treatments. Two days later she was in the ICU with gram negative sepsis. Unfortunately she arrested and died. Thats why people look at alternative treatments and building health.
Right, unless Elle comes out and says, ALL PROCEEDS from her book will go to breast cancer organizations, then she is just trying to sell her supplements.
Would you like some control freak telling you how to apportion your finances? Thought not.
Its about making an informed choice no matter how aggressive your cancer is.
Did you ever stop & think that the very BEST thing to come out of this discussion is opening people’s ideas that there is no longer ONLY one way to face a cancer diagnosis ?!? That chemotherapy &/or radiation treatment is the ONLY way to treat cancer ?!? We live in a world where the medical community made a conscious decision to bury the fact that cannabis has one of the highest (no pun intended) success rates in fighting cancer. Why ? So that pharmaceutical companies would own the market on cancer treatment until the freedom of information act opened the door to the beginnings of truth. It is so simple to see that the priority was not the individual who was now facing the biggest scare of their lives but rather the companies who would make money off that person’s crisis. Why do so many in the medical field forget the very first thing they’re taught … do no harm ? Until it’s you or your loved ones having to face cancer & have the willingness to do their own research rather than simply accept what a doctor says, people really have no idea how much at least the US medical association is not about curing cancer & giving the best life to their patients but rather about putting profit above all else ~
Thank you Elle MacPherson for being brave enough to open the conversation about what holistic health means, obviously from the comments here it is a touchy subject.
Elle is a liar
She can do what she wants.
cancer big business
You are spot on
As you stated "it is none of your business" so let her choose the path that she decided best for her journey. The fact that she is a person of notoriety accentuates her situation. If you don't agree you don't denigrate her choice.
I wish someone would actually do the trials for the non-patentable stuff. Then we could put this argument to bed because the research would be complete. Until that day comes, and because radiotherapy administered to me as a teenager now means I'm Stage 4 BC in my 30s, my mistrust of western medicine remains.
Yeah God 4bid anyone making their own choices regarding their health.....and sharing their story 7yrs L8r!!! Good on Elle I say...
U come across unkind on here. Everyone should be able to stop and think about their options reg scary health issues- and not be seen as daft 4 doing something others don't agree wiv. Just sayin. 🙏 ❤
The thing is you are saying doctors like me will give it to you for free is not true, that’s why if these methods worked you won’t recommend them because they won’t make you money. I am not against or pro, just critical thinking
Absolutely true. Natural methods that have anticancer activity in the lab are NOT going to be investigated because natural substances cannot be patented ( and sold for profit)
32 doctors. Hmmm. Big money in cancer treatments.
Well said, I absolutely hate these self indulging celebrities
I hope you'll be able to talk about kisqali going forward
Never heard of her…
Good on her
you still trust the medical fraternity???
Yes, people can heal without the usual poisonous treatments. Trust your own instinct combined with research and honest advice from professionals that truly care.
Immunotherapy and Vitamin c IV infusion helps
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Bravo!!!!
Good Job
Very sketchy, I agree 100%!!
If I had to go back I would never do chemo (2004) it ruined my sleep also it was HRT caused my cancer and as for tamoxifen I stopped it side effects I were insomnia still have it today 3times to un alive myself
Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life; no-one comes to God except through Me (John 14:6). Jesus wants you to to cast all your cares on Him because He cares for you (1 Peter 5:7). Only by repenting of sin and trusting in Jesus to guide your life are you spiritually safe for all eternity. I encourage you to prayerfully read The Holy Bible ❤
Why are you so angry! Is her choice, let her tell her Story!
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Well both her the doctor and elle are both trying to sell thier book. Lol
Horrible she is misleading people and my friend died
Who cares. About her do what you wont
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Yes, you are being cynical. And rude.
But Liz, shouldn’t we ALL be talking about and discussing causes and treatments of cancer. The current mainstream way of treating cancer is not extending lives in many cases.. and is quite brutal on the immune system.
I think Any discussions are worth our time? We can always debunk some of them, if needed.
I would never buy her supplement! I would eat Real greens instead! 🥬
Yes, how many times does it come back even after Chemo and radiation?!
That is a lie not born out by the facts. Lots of cancer types have become more survivable with modern medicine.
The most common childhood leukemia five-year survival rate has increased from a measly 10% in 1960 to 90% now, fact! Overall, the five-year survival rate for all cancers combined has went from 50% in 1976 to 70% by 2013. That represents tens of millions of people living longer and lots not dying at all from cancer after treatment.
So stop talking nonsense.
Thank you Liz