Can fermenting feed save money
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2022
- How and how much can we save?
With the increasing prices on feed and everything we need to find a way to save money so we are going to run a trial to see if fermenting food can save money and is worth the effort
Trial details;
2 days.....feeding the same group of chickens to see how much feed is consumed
Day1...... feed 11.2lbs of layer pellet.....7.8lbs consumed
Day2.......fermented 11.2lbs of layer pellet yielding 35lbs of feed!! 18lbs fed and 15lbs consumed approximately.
11.2lbs of layer pellet will feed for 1.25 days
11.2lbs of layer pellet fermented will feed for 2 days
this will save you 20-505 on your feed bill!
things to keep in mind
1. layer pellets yield much more than scratch or whole grains
2.this trial also did not show how much less the chickens might consume due to the added nutrition value of fermented feed (short trial)
3. potential to lose a batch due to mold (I lost 2 batches)
pros
1.cost savings 20-50%
2.healthier for your flock
3.not difficult
cons
1.time consuming (3days per batch, frequent mixing)
2.potential to lose a batch
3. 24 hour shelf life
4. daily batch prep to keep daily feeding fresh (space required)
We will continue to ferment our feed as the cost savings will be substantial as we have 40 chickens, 15 turkeys and 3 ducks that can all have the fermented feed.
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Ozarks Homestead and Farm
Nice video, just wanted to say that this top white film layer with bubbles wasn't toxic mold, it was just natural yeast from the grains, which the grains contain on them naturally, it is part of the fermentation process and perfectly safe to feed to livestock. The bubbles on this top film are just trapped gasses from fermentation. It is the same type of yeast film that occurs on the surface when fermenting pickles. Most toxic non yeast molds would be ones that are puffy and raised above the surface and look like they have lots of spores, they are usually dark gray, black or green in color. Take care.
Kahms yeast shows up on all my fermented peppers and food . Just shows the process is working.
GOOD TO KNOW..THANKS FOR THAT VERY VALUABLE INFO! 👏👏👍❤️🙂❤
Just run across your channel today. Have watched a lot of “fermenting videos” this is by far the best from how to ferment to benefits.
Thanks so much, I appreciate it
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If you separate your roosters from the hens, the hens backs would heal up . But, it takes a long time for the healing to happen. If you want fertile eggs, then just put one rooster in with the hens for a day. But then keep them separate after that. .
Thanks for sharing
You will be happy to know all the girls are fully feathered and I only keep 1 rooster with my flock. Oddly enough the rooster is the one missing his tail feathers!
Its just another type of fermentingprocess, not mold. 🤗 This is a good video. Just what people seaching and asking for. More of that. 🙌
I appreciate the support……thanks
For slop pigs, I've always made large batches like this in 50 gallon drums. I would also mix in any food scrap, old milk, etc when available. The point of this, is to leave the lid off. Flies will lay eggs and you'll have maggots all through the feed. Yes, it stinks to high heaven, so keep it away from the house... but the pigs love it, and the maggots are increasing the crude protein (a lot), and they add needed amino acids.
I ferment my cracked seeds as well... They take at least 3 days to soak up the water
I then mix with the water soaked pellets.
This helps my chickens get extra water into their bodies and less food is used and wasted.
My chickens lay the same amount of eggs in winter as summer.
I only have 6 chickens now, is all we need. I get at least 5 eggs a day, every single day
Great vid. This was the most comprehensive and scientific study I've seen on this subject thus far. I do it off and on, the time issue and waste risk is what deters me.
I agree
This was informative but far from scientific.
His stats are all over the place, and his scare wouldn't read anything under 5lb.
Good video and topic, could have used better execution.
I agree I’ve been fermenting my food for years now and that is not mold That is yeast you have to keep it. Stir twice a day and also keep water on top so it does not dry out which will give it mode but that is normal.
Very good information for us in africa 🌍 (Cameroon) I will try and see 👀. Thank you very much again to share this information with the world 🌎
I’m so happy you found my video…..Is so amazing to help and connect. Good luck 👍
Thank you for a well done study. You might want to consider making Lactobacilus Acidophilus Bacteria serum to inoculate your ferment.
Thanks!
Each bird should get 1/4 cup of feed daily. 4 birds ... one cup. When fermenting food use a two to one ratio. One cup food two cups water. You added a lot of water and the mush created may not have been desirable to the birds. You should always start small and add additional food as necessary until you reach the proper amount. When done correctly your birds should be able to stay full on half of what you would have fed them in dry food.
1/4 cup dry per bird? Or already fermented?
@@feltingme dry
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This is for full grown birds, right?
I did 5 cups for 13 adult chickens, gone in 10 minutes. I fermented it. They eat a crazy amount of food
Originally the fermenting process was to make whole seed grains more nutritionally available to chickens, pigs, cows and sheep. The shell of the grain would be dissolved and initial digestion initiated. Pellets have already had the shelling done, leaving the fermenting process making some vitamins and minerals more readily available. Many livestock excrete parts of the undigested feed.
Exactly, saving by fermentig is all about hole grains,not pellets!
@@FermadinBrad but it still helps, nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?
Whole= entire, hole= empty space❤
This experiment would have to be longer term to be of real scientific value. And it would make sense to have two sets of similar birds. The control group and the study group. It would be interesting also to see how it affects their laying.
😊😮 the only thing I haven't heard was that the water shouldn't be fluoridated. One more step, if not purified or good well water, you should let a batch of water sit out overnight. (Maybe its the rinsed bucket)
I’ve fermented off and on. My birds do not like the pellets at all. When I ferment them, then they will gladly eat them. So, they are better off eating the fermented food, and I save money fermenting the pellets since the pellets are no longer wasted. My challenge now is to be disciplined enough to ferment the pellets!
I agree, I’m feeding daily so everyday I need to start a new batch 🤷 but it’s worth it for me
This guy didnt do the trail right man..he got totally mixwd up on the weights..no good vid..
Can you save 40 % of feed/feed cost through fermentation?
What kind of chickens are the white with black feathers around their neck? Great video.
@doloreslane4259 light Sussex
I have been just wetting lay pellets and feed same day by just covering with water of whatever amount. My chickens are eating way better and better egg production and quality. They are getting a nice balanced meal and no waste. They also seem to require less water even tho i always have 4 sources during summer. It's an amazing difference. If you fluff it up later in day they devoir it! My chicken are very spoiled and picky, Ha!
I love it when people do the science for themselves. Well done.
Also, what the hell is wrong with your dogs?! 🤣🤣
Lol……they are off the clock, they work the graveyard shift
😂😂😂exactly
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
So please translate for more understanding
i watched a lady do this and she put a big crack in the bottom off her feed bucket and the water just ran streight out of the crack avoiding that slop issue
I take 1 part chickenfood and 3 parts cornflour and ferment 9 to 24 hours. Mill corn myself because directly from neighbour farm. Fermenting is short, because here are up to 35°C ( Philippines)
I have buckets with tight lid and wash always the walls of the bucket for not getting mold.
The lid has a small hole to avoid explosion of bucket.
I have only good batches.
Appreciate the view from the Philippines……..
I ferment scratch grains, but like digital Grammy mentioned my birds absolutely despise the pellets and I can barely get them to eat the crumbles. I have tried to ferment that junk before and I end up with a sloppy nasty stinking heavy mess and there's a lot of waste because the birds go tromping through it and slinging it everywhere trying to get it off their beaks. It's just a mess and they really don't like it especially if they have a choice between fermented scratch grains and fermented pellets. I still yet haven't figured out if I'm saving anything or not. Certainly not saving time or work. As a single disabled woman, lightening the load and lessening the workload is as critical as saving money.
Yes it is heavy and time consuming…..everyone’s situation is different, as for me this has been the best…..I tried mixing my own whole grain feed, But that was very wasteful as the chickens would only eat a certain grain. I’m not sure of your situation but freedom ranger chickens require little to no feed but have to be free ranged. Best of luck and thanks for watching and commenting!
My ducks want the geens over dry food. Let me try your idea. Thank you for sharing
I used a bit of organic probiotic water I'd made previously to start my fermented organic oats for the chickens. The weather has varied, cool some days, hot on other days. The fermenting oats sit on the kitchen counter for up to four days before it gets fed. None of it has molded. Maybe it has to do with having started out with the probiotic water as a starter and using fermented oats and/or the liquid to start new batches. I'm just using large glass jars, half gallon and larger with a lid or small plate sitting on the top. I think my chickens would eat more of the fermented than unfermented given the opportunity simply because they enjoy it so much. The chickens were big and healthy before and are still, so I can't give a review of what fermented food has done for them, simply that my fermented feed hasn't molded, there's no waste and why that might be.
The fermented food won't mold if you make sure to stir it at least twice a day.
Have a good day. Thanks for your informative video. Please continue your practical research and upload your fermented feed related videos.
I want to know, which I provided below:
1. Does commercial feed fermentation reduce the quality of micronutrients (feed additives) present in it?
2. How much will FCR be if fed fermented feed?
Please try to answer my question. I am waiting for your reply.
Best Regards
First off I am no scientist and the following is just my opinion based on the results I’m seeing with my flock. I believe the fermentation process does not remove or lessen any of the micro nutrients present in the food if it’s in there in the beginning it will be in there in the end of the process fermentation just makes it more readily available and easier for the chicken to utilize. As far as FCR I believe you’re asking about food cost reduction however I could be wrong if so you can save up to 50% on your food cost. I have a video posted on that as well and just today I posted an update of how my flock was doing after two months of fermented feed. Thank you for watching and commenting. Best of luck. Have a great day!
Fermentation is good for the nutrient value. But all feed values are based on a dry matter basis. So the only value you’re gaining is your chickens are more hydrated. You’re not actually feeding less than you could have without all the hassle of fermentation.
Garage needs a tiding up there dude..kinda reminds me of me infact lovl
Right, someday I would like a shop instead of a storage unit!!
How accurate is the test if the source feed is completely dry? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to wet the feed then drain off the water? Then a comparison would have similar amounts of water so the fermentation is being measured not the water content.
❤YOU MUST USE DECHLORINATED WATER AND YOU DONT WANT TO FERMENT ALL THIER FEED..JUST GIVE FERMENTED FEED 2-3 DAYS A WEEK. ALSO FERMENTATION IS REALLY MORE FOR SCRATCH GRAINS.❤
Is that mold or kham yeast? I ferment Vegetables and make sauerkraut, kefir and sourdough. From what I understand mold is fuzzy and usually has colors to it. While I’m unsure if that photo was or wasn’t moldy, I’d have to see it in person; I just wanted to throw that out there from someone that knows a little about fermentation in general and how that would apply to what we saw in that photo
Yeah most people don’t catch that but a viewer did comment a while back with some very good info and I believe it is not mold it is a yeast and I have fed it to the chickens several time with no harmful affects.
So it's basically just a health benefit for the bird And if that's the case, then it's worth it.
A healthy bird eats roughly about 3 oz of feed per day. Just multiply the amount of birds times 3 an you’ll get your total weight for feed.
Thanks
No problem, hope it helps, thanks for watching and commenting!
@@ozarkshomesteadandfarm u r welcome..
For how many hours can you put the fermented feeds in the poultry?
@@stanleysimpamba6479 I only make enough for 1 day….. after fermenting is done I feed it all that day….. it will typically mold pretty quickly
@@ozarkshomesteadandfarm thanks..I have started giving fermented feeds to my birds today...so I was thinking like I have to serve it for some hours and remove it..
No roost bars or nesting boxes for the chickens?
Yes I do…… of my 3 coops only 1 has no roosts or boxes and I put the Turkeys’s in it 😁
Hi, I like your experiment. I have fermented pellets and grains. If you are going to continue feeding pellets, its a lot of excess work. (You need to put more water in the fermented bucket from the get go.) Fermenting pellets doesn't have many of the benefits of fermenting cracked grains. And its soooo much messier.
Give this experiment a try using organic cracked grain feed. You will be happily surprised. Your feed costs will go down, your eggs will be cleaner with hard shells and oranger yolks.
I buy a 1k tote for half the price of the pellet feed, then ferment it, which saves another 30%+/- a percent. Cleaner, healthier, and cheaper.
Dont give up on the fermentation process, just change what you are fermenting. (Once you have that down, ferment pig feed, goat feed, hog feed, horse grains, anything with grains.
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Will try it , thanks
Please , can you tell me what the water /organic grains ratio is to start with…… thank you
@@marcyb.5982 no ratio…… you just need to ensure the grains remain covered in water during the process. Excess water can be drained.
Where do you buy your 1K tote of organic cracked grain feed?
Very helpful. Also, I love your property. How many acres do you have?
26 acres, glad it helped, thanks for watching and commenting!!
@@ozarkshomesteadandfarm what a wonderful blessing! Thank you for the videos.
@@ozarkshomesteadandfarm what a wonderful blessing! Thank you for the videos.
Im really wanting to start this for my flock. I have 46 how much would I ferment per batch for them?
I feed currently mash from feed mill if that makes a difference. I see alot of wasted food as well on the ground.
I have another video where I talk about feeding……amounts etc etc per week.
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Good one, how long could one store the fammented feeds?
It goes bad pretty quick……3 days maximum……the key is to make it on rotation, I have a video on how I do it!
Hello Sir, when is the right time to start fermenting feeds for broilers or birds?
You can feed fermented from day 1 if you like. I would, it’s easier to digest. But starting anytime is fine.
Can we conclude the calculation in this way, as Chickens eat only 60 to 65 % of food if it is fermented?
I suppose, but don’t forget a larger portion is not being wasted.
@@ozarkshomesteadandfarm Since the digestability is high, Chickens may get enough nutrition eventhough if they less volume/quantity of food.
How much longer will fermented feed last when compared to dry feed?
Not long, fermented feed spoils quickly
Just for clarification, do you always let your chickens eat all they want?
No, it was just g ty or the trial/experiment
I just got my chicks a week ago and started giving them fermented feed a couple days ago just to try it. Just a couple questions and concerns about it. What should type of feeder should I be using for it? Should I keep no fermented food in the brooder as well as with the fermented? And last, I put just the fermented feed in with them one day, they seemed to be eating it, and I put a little more in than they say to just to be safe, but it seemed like they were still hungry. I put the regular feed back in and they attacked it. So just wondering if maybe they didn’t like it or eat as much as I thought. I would appreciate any help
My birds favor the regular food at first as well the fermented food will be easier for the checks to digest you can leave it in there for a while but I recommend not giving them more than they can eat in a day
Also it won’t hurt to rotate back-and-forth and allow them some regular crumble as well
How much do you recommend per bird at a week old?
@@Truex561 I would just give them a certain amount and see if they eat it all in a day if not add more if they don’t eat it then reduce the amount
Thank you for your help, just one more question. How long should it ferment for?
How many days should the feed be left fermented?
I go with 3 days…..but I have gone as long as 5…….it’s temperature dependent…… you can determine by how active it is….I.e bubbles
@@ozarkshomesteadandfarm thank you for this honest reply
How many birds does one bucket feed?
I think I had 30 or 40 around that time I did make another video, check out my page
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Sir, i have a few questions to be asked.
1) This fermented can be given to day old checks?
2) The feed has medicines too in it. If we provide feed the excess water has to be drained. With this the medicines added to it will not be drained out and any harm to the birds?
I am talking in respect to the brioler birds.
Kindly answer me and guide me. Thank you.🌹
Questions 1 yes it can. Questions 2, I would suggest using less water if you can. I think the amount of medication drained off would be minimal. I cannot give an answer to the effect of fermenting on the medicated feed but my feeling is that it won’t affect it much. If your concerned just feed the dry medicated till they are ready for regular feed. Fermented feed is great for broilers.
@@ozarkshomesteadandfarm Thank you very much 🌹🌹🙏
This is what I wanted to hear. I am glad that fermented feed is also good for broilers.
I hope to save cost.
Can i ferment starter feed for broiler?
Yes
15:20 thats kahm yeast not mold, it is perfectly safe for both humans and animals to eat. i know about kahm yeast because i researched lacto fermenting veggies for human consumption. you tossed out perfectly good feed.
That is excellent information thank you so much. You are the second person that has mentioned that and I only threw away that first batch because it was continuously happening and I did not want to throw away all my stuff. I did not know what it was but I assumed it was safe when it was no adverse effects from my feet once again thank you for sharing the information it’s most beneficial.
So you don’t you feed pellets, to ferment you use scratch grain, whole corn, or bird seed.
Were do your birds sleep?
In a coop on roosts
Can you ferment layer feed?
Yep
You have a lot of feed waste. If you raise your feeder a few inches off the ground, it will cut back on that. Every now and then, I just take the feeder out for a day, and they will clean that spilled feed up. I you leave it, it will draw squirrels, mice, rats and bugs. The chickens will eat the bugs and mice, but the rats will eat your eggs.
Excellent Info thanks
I noticed fermented food cause cough to d chickens
Is it new to them……without knowing more I would say they are just not used to eating it. It’s a texture issue
My chickens won’t eat it
Spoiled chickens 😜
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I think you know less about it than me. I don’t think you are fermenting it long enough.
What on earth do those poor Chickens and Turkeys go to for Shelter and Perching I think you should be more Accommodating with them that's cruel the way you are caring for them
This is so fragmented. If you want to compare by weight, you have the same weigth of food, one adds a lot of weight of water so you weight it at the start and finish and want to go by ratio of the food eaten (11.2 pounds strating and 3.4lbs finished, if you wanted to discount all the food on the ground, you'd estimate that) and then do the math -> (3.4+ground pellet estimate)/11.2 lbs to get the ratio of food eaten dry. Then if you want to do this properly, don't skimp on the second way you are clearly hoping to see a benefit with, but regardless, you'd take the end of day weight (ideally same time, chickens don't stop eating at 7pm) and devide that leftover weight by the starting total to get teh ratio.
Eating more weight of fermented food is very expectable since there is 3 x more weight with. the same amount of food.
You are mixing up too much at a time. Only ferment what they will consume in one day.
I've watched many of these videos about fermenting the food for health benefits and saving feed costs but everyone seems to skip over a couple very important considerations.
Let's say you normally feed them 1/4 cup each and because I'm too lazy to look it up we will pretend that has 100 calories because it makes it easy to calculate.
Now we go to ferment and we take the feed down to 1/8 cup plus equal or more water for that feed to soak up. Yes, you are going to boost a few of the nutrients but only by a little bit. You will not be giving your chicken as many nutrients or calories as if you fed them 1/4 cup each even if they get full. They will only be consuming 50 calories and less than 16% protein. The effect is similar to adding water to a bottle fed baby's formula.
What that means is that your birds are going to gain weight more slowly, be delayed in laying eggs and on spite of the probiotic boost will not have the nutrients to be in good health.
Not saying you shouldn't ferment. A great thing especially in the summer when they can suffer heat stress. It can be very beneficial in letting them exert less energy in digesting and the hydration, but you have to have something else.
To save money you can make sure you are giving them lots of garden or yard waste for starters. Or how about starting a soldier fly farm? Can boost their calories and their protein with very little effort. If you add enough other nutritious low/no cost feeds you can reduce the amount of purchased feeds.
Just my opinion on the matter.
Very well said
Sure it can, give them sour crop and kill them will save a fortune on feed.
Guess I have been lucky 🍀
Not very good on rhe calculations dude you should of wrote down exactually the weights of dry and wet..im lost..
Don’t be lost…….just pay attention, the weights are in the video and I wrote in the description as well which’s also stated in the video👍👊😁
Process was done incorrectly. The food shouldn't be so wet.