We ATTEMPT fermenting our pig feed, the results were SURPRISING!
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2020
- In this video, we take on the processing of soaking and fermenting our pig feed for better digestion and less waste. We were curious to see how the pigs would react to a diet change and if we could really see a difference in consumption.
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Over 28 breweries in West Virginia! I fed my pigs in Alaska spent brewers grain and they did great on it as their main feed. My local small brewery wanted me to take about 4-5 tons of grain weekly. FREE!. I bought a heavy trailer and they allowed me to take their large 1000 pound totes home to unload and return. I would haul about 6-8 at a time. Used my tractor to unload them. simply dumped one over into a pit as needed. Raised 100's of hogs this way. very profitable!
Wow, awesome that you were able to get that much free feed.
Nice! Thanks for that tip...
Can u tell me more about brewery grains & its success in pig feeding
There's nothing better for pigs or at least that's what my great grandfather used to tell me... when they were moonshining during prohibition they would feed the spent grains to the pigs and it was another income source!
How long(weeks) can brewers spent grain last when it gets to the farm before the pigs consume it all? And how do you store it for long without it going bad over the period?
They look great! They are growing strong!
Troy, your piglets are looking good. My mother always fed our pig wet food but I never knew why now I do. Thank you for the tidbits of information you share. Love your sense of humor.
At an affordable and handleable scale this is excellent logic.
Very well done.
In winter here I ferment 6 days, summer 3 days and the aroma is sweetish not unlike sweet fruity wine.
Fermenting was a really good change I made. Pigs love fermented grain more than anything else.
Pigs looking good Troy yeah we always fed wet feed as it always seem to work better and the pigs like it.
When I was younger my uncle kept pigs. He used to get whey from local cheese factories and soak the pigs grain in that. They seemed to like it.
Michael Marriam they would! Even spent whey is pretty nutritious stuff!
@@tealkerberus748 Knew a man that cooked feed i whey . hogs liked it but what a stink !
We used to do this all of the time when we made cheese and butter...yes even the lowly buttermilk was a prized treat for the pigs....then when we butchered them we would feed the chickens the excess fat that we couldn't turn into lard
Good idea on the light hack!
I only ever fed my pigs fermented-lactobacillus. It's more work but the pigs love it and are super healthy
Yeah I know
Call the man
Laughed my butt off 😂😂😂
You could use a drywall mud mixer or cement mixer if you're going to do this from now on .This would help mix your feed more quickly. You would probably have to mix a bag then add a bag . Just a thought.
I was thinking the same thing.
Check for a local distillery or mountain man and ask about their spent grain program. They do all the fermenting they just need to be able to get rid of the grains.
We have some within an hour. The issues I have heard others discuss is keeping them from molding while being stored to feed out. I guess they could be soaked more.
Nice job 👍
That ground feed works just as well. Now.......dont forget your chickens......they love even just soaked feed if not fully fermented. Youll notic there will not be any waste.
Great to see you are fermenting their feed Troy! As you noticed it really does improves the digestibility of the feed and I noticed the same thing with whole/cracked grains as well, which is what we use. Another benefit is you don't need to worry about them staying hydrated in summertime - they get a lot of water in that feed. To help you mix the feed in those 55 gallon barrels why not use a cement mixer that you attach to a drill - that ought to work perfectly, given the consistency. Now is also a good time to start petting them too, to not only get them used to your presence, but also your touch, in the event later on you want to tape them to figure how much they weigh. There is also very little waste with this method - they learn pretty quickly there is not an endless supply of feed and they'll eat everything you put in front of them. This is a terrific way of controlling your costs, especially since you won't need as much feed that is soaked compared to just dry feed. We've found that they still gain great with 2/3 - 3/4 of the normal dry feed ration, when it is soaked and fermented.
@Dale Hemme I regularly feed our pigs some biochar - they love it.
Wow, you werent kidding that you cleaned up the shop some more.
Bright and airy! Almost looks livable again!
Haha that little girl at the end was like "hey! Don't talk about my weight... I'm not fat I just like snacks okay!"🤣
Great idea!! But for the top you could cut from the top about 3” and cut the lip off the top and flip the cut top off and it seals up pretty good I do that for my powder coating dip tanks and works awesome
Hi Troy, David (and Margaret)... Been keeping up watching some of the changes from when we were there 3 years ago! We’ve been fermenting for a while and they love it, as well as to your point about digestion. We also add whole grains to an organic hog feed then gave the pigs all the liquid too where all the new nutrient is. Took me about 2 weeks to get the right feed to water ratio so they got feed and liquid. Didn’t “wash out” our buckets which promoted faster fermentation.
Thanks for sharing!
I was thinking about you all just the other day! I hope you all are well. Yes, I make it a point to keep the buckets "soiled" from previous feed day.
@@RedToolHouse I noticed in the new videos of you feeding the adult pigs dry food. Have you stopped feeding the fermented food?
Just bought my first few 55 gallon plastic barrels for my pigs and lucked out by laying the barrel on it’s side, then putting the right side of my circular saw guide up against the bottom of the lip of the barrel. As I rotated it around sawing the top off the barrel easily, then when done stood the barrel on its\’s bottom, I flipped the top of the barrel so the bottom faced up. When doing so the top I’d cut off acted as a perfect lid! I’d planned on placing hinges on the top piece but it’s not even needed, even in high wind here on my mountain it doesn’t blow off. I’m auee many have done the same thing but I hadn’t seen it so thought I’d share. Thanks for the vid, gonna start feeding my pigs like this. Cheers!
Also, with a laneway system you should be able to have the pigs sleep in the barn overnight, feed them first thing in the morning, then they take themselves up the lane to whichever pasture is open - graze there until they're ready for bed, and bring themselves home to sleep at night. It's much easier than you having to take their buckets of feed to them every time!
water first then feed mix as you go use a wooden oar if you actually want it all to ferment.
I always fed wet feed after bringing new pigs home it helps with relieving
Stress
Add water to the drum first. You can also use a drywall stir in a big cordless drill to get it mixed up in a hurry. You can also use half to two thirds of a drum and then refill. Gets the fermentation process in overdrive
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I always feed sloppy feed,had good results with wheat sprouts also.
Wooden boat paddles work great for mixing!
My father worked for Seagram's Distillery way back in the 60's,70's and early 80's. The company had a farm where they fed whiskery mash to the cattle. It was very successful operation.
Just a tip if it interests you......When you cut open barrels or such plastic a heatgun can be your friend. Heat were your cut is in aspot and then run a putty knife or metal item along your hot soft plastic and mould your sharp jagged cut edge into a soft rounded or flatened area and just work around the barrel till youve covered the places you cut......even just the heat gun alone will soften the plastic and like heal over your cut so youll have less chance of scrapeing your arm or clothes when you reach in.
One Step Homestead I had some agricultural poly pipe got caught in a grass fire a few years ago. It wasn't damaged along the length, but the cut ends came up rounded and smooth and shiny instead of cut off flat.
@@tealkerberus748 heat is a mighty tool with polys......especialy pipe. Yes overheating it can comprimise some integrity in some cases but if heated to just the right spot it can be modified any way you want like metal can. Pipe can be bent into gradual 90s , and like some people cut a plastic barrel down to make a shorter water or feed trough or oilchange pan ext.... the thinner edge becomes flimzy so ive heated about an inch down from the top edge and work around and around the top bending it out with a pair of plyers......keep going around heating with one hand and prying with other hand and in about 4-5 revolutions you can end up with a rolled edge that not only is easyier on the hands but solidifys the new top alot. Even a 5 gallon bucket......if i use one often enough pouring liquids out of it ill heat a decent spot and take my big waterpump plyers that have a 4in deep jaw and pry out a pour spout as i keep heating that area around the plyers and end up with a decent pour spout on a free heavy duty pail that will outlast any boxstore pails ive ever bought.
I ferment my feed as well and I mix 50lbs at a time with water until I’ve filled it half way with the mixture then add about 2inches of water on top then stir once the fermentation starts.
I've used wheat middlings and a portable concrete mixer to make wet feed for hogs when younger we used 55 gallon barrels would dump a 50lb. Bag of middlings in it and fill with water stir it by hand and use a bucket to feed our hogs but in the summer it didn't take long to get aromatic always ended up leaving about a gallon in the bottom as a starter for the next batch...
Love your channel. Aren't you just getting your pigs drunk so they can't find the fence ? LOL Great Channel
I want them to stumble down the mountain when it is loading time (the corral is at the base of the mountain)
@@RedToolHouse Awesome Idea
that was interesting..getting a little dab bigger
I've raised a lot of hogs in my life and I always used a feeder. I think they do better on a feeder. They eat when they want it and waste less. I've used a trough but to me, the feeder is the way to go. I can remember being awake during the night and hearing the lid on the feeder going down after they got through eating.
Did that for years. Trying something new to see if I can get better feed conversion.
try this process - add the water you will need. Next start adding your grains a scoop at a time and stirring them in with a short canoe paddle or strong wooden mash paddle (from a brew shop and not plastic). Once a scoop is mixed in, continue until the grains are completely added and stirred in. This step should be familiar to homebrewers once the water reaches mash temp (around 152ºF) and the grains begin the mash process. Gets the grains in quickly and without clumping or dry pockets (especially down around the bottom).
I raised 3 mother pigs ,all pregnant and one had a delivery today ,anyway ,I'd like to share to yoll that the main food we feed around here is The leftovers or waste of fermented local rice beer Which indeed is still very strong in OH content smells.. and it does helps the pig gain weight like alot more than even a regular Essential Nutrients from supplements we buy from the shop. . .
Great video tips., I'm from The North East India
Next time you butcher...boil down the excess bones and tendons (from the less desirable parts )...your chickens will thank you
I would ditch those big barrels and just ferment in five gallon buckets. Using eight or ten buckets and rotating. Just grab the buckets you need for that feeding and no more dipping out of the barrels.
1/2 full the barrel first and add 1 x bag of feed then more water then more feed that will prevent the dry feed at the bottom of the barrel and get it all mixed from the beginning
I soak feed. Looks the same as yours as far as grind. Only feeding 4 right now so we use buckets with great success. I find when I do free choice in a feeder there’s much more grain in their feces.
I would agree completely.
Are you kipping score for the board? I would give the boar a point for checking out the older sow in an earlier video.
The quick shot of the puppy looks like he's growing faster than the pigs
Yes, eats more too.
Empty about 3 packages of yeast in each of those containers before you fill it up ! Your hogs will love it and the smell won’t be so bad , they’ll do great on it !!
When you mix 50 gallon drum maybe small powered post hole digger to aid in tbe mixing ? Just make sure not to go through the bottom lol lol
Robert O. Peterson a big paint mixing auger would be good, if he can access it. Otherwise, taking the point off the bottom of the post hole digger would help.
To All of you fermenting, thanks for sharing im learning so much. I want opinions on duration of ferment and quantities, how.long can a ferment last? How long should one barrel soak before its ready, how.long before it goes bad? I'm starting out with 10 pigs and purchasing 3 months supply at a time and im trying g to figure a ferment and storage cycle schedule. Thanks!!
Mine love the liquid in the feed. After all, who doesn't love alcohol? When they see me coming they think "PARTY TIME"
I just as this vid. If you cut the tops off just below the rim where it flares out it will actually fit back into the barrel
Vincent price used to do scary story's on the radio station / movies.
I must have a dirty mind as I was thinking fermentation as in alcohol and the pigs getting drunk on food that has some alcohol. I do come by this honestly as I am a recovering alcoholic of 23 years now and take sobriety seriously. So dad on the other hand was not a mentor or more a motivator to not be like him. He wasn't all bad but you really had to sort it out hard as it wasn't obvious. He beat me for the fact that things run good on a tune up. I still have scars at seventy two. Bringing that up was a reason. Dad was a moonshiner and his mash that didn't turn into alcohol he fed to the pigs and got rid of evidence. Those pigs would forage on the mash and a certain amount still had residual alcohol. Them pigs never had any tolerance to "booze" and would get mean drunk wanting their share and fight for it. I seen pigs die in bad fights and it just cheered him up. We butchered the loser. We drug em out so the other pigs didn't eat him/her. I seen my dad throw a hog up on the butcher block and we would hook a single tree between the legs and after the guting dad just took his olive oil chain saw and cut them in half to hang a few days and cool out. Some mash was stronger than others
We rasised our pigs on soaked feed ground corn and barley mixed 2 to 1 this was when you could get metal 5 gallon buckets had 8 buckets soaking during summer in grainery winter in the house behind out wood burning heater stove we didn't have electricity relived off grid before there was a grid to live off lol i we didn't mind the small almost like making whisky we would add peeling and tops whatever from meal preperation left more wet especially in wintet to make sure they had good fluid intake summer not matter as the had access to soring running water in pen never a problem getting pigs to come to us pour out buckets in feed trough bag bucket call suuuiuueeeey they come running we always interaction with pigs scratch ears and backs made much easier to work with
I would be concerned if the fermentation gives off a bad odor. Yeasty, vinegary maybe, cidery, but never foul or noticeably unpleasant. That’s a sign of bad bacteria getting a foothold. Good bacteria don’t smell bad. But fermenting feed is amazing! Good for them, tastier for us!
Could you use one of those long paint stiring paddles that goes on a drill to help mix the feed and water??
Probably better off to use the auger on his tractor 😄😂
Redback Arachnid you know, if there barrels were a little shorter or on a lower level, that’s not a bad idea.
Did you not see how my wife almost killed me with that thing?!?! I can't give her additional opportunities... :)
Red Tool House - Homestead oh yeah! Forgot about that. Ok. Not a good idea. Haha
I am no expert, but Tickle and Tim on Moonshiners heat the mash up to about 170* to get it mixed and started, I think.
Could put an aquarium heater in it to avoid smell in ur garage…
Make You a Mixer out of a Mud Motor Prop, and Shaft.
How did you start the fermentation process going for the first time?
Great video
I've been wanting to try fermenting chicken feed so we might as well try it for the pigs, too. I know not having a well and relying on city water is anathema to most homesteaders so I'm not sure how relevant my comment will be, but you want to make sure you are using non-chlorinated water for fermentation as I'm sure yours is. We are out on the fringes of a little city and have both city water service and a well that I always use for cheese, kombucha, and pickles. However, I do have fleeting concerns about the cemetery across the road. 😁
Good point! I should have stated that we were using well water. I wouldn't worry about the cemetery run off as much as I would the road itself!
Red Tool House - Homestead I'll never understand why Americans are so willing to trust ground water when you could so easily have tank water. My annual rainfall is a smidge over half a metre, and I manage just fine on roof water and a bit of dam water. You have so much more annual rainfall, it would be so easy in that climate!
@@tealkerberus748 The same way some don't understand people who can trust rain water. Not only being prone to being acidic but with the amount of carginogens pumped into the air globally on a daily basis. Collecting it on a surface covered with material containing carcinogens than trusting a medium to remove those carcinogens better than the tried and true method known as mother earth. Wells can go as far as 1300 feet below ground Ill trust that filtering meduim far more than a little charcoal and some UV light if you get fancy.
@@McNubbin101 SO on point! That huge train chemical fire in Ohio a month ago, where does all that chemical smoke go other than where ever the wind blows it and the rains make it spill ?! I live on a mountain and have nobody above me except for bear, coyotes, and deer so I’m perfectly fine with the water from the ground!
About those piglets liking the solids? Just wait till they're a little older. My fermented feed actually made beer. My hogs would suck up all of the beer first, then settle down for dinner!
We would wrap heat tape and insulation around the barrels in the cold weather. It worked great.
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I just need starting soaking their feed
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What about throwing in some live yogurt or beer now and then, to help increase the probiotic cultures? Or maybe some sauerkraut?
Yes, that would help too
Do the pigs knock the feeders over? I've been feeding regular pelletized feed in bowls and troughs and they knock EVERYTHING over. So i was thinking about getting a drop feeder this year, but I just started hearing about fermenting the feed, which sounds so good for the pigs and cost control - but how do they do when they're larger and wanting to push their troughs over? Great video, thanks!
My late papa had hogs all his life,he always feed old bread, pastries. Powdered milk.best pork roast u ever had🐷🐷🐷
I thought you were talking about fermented pig feed on shop lightning.
how much do you feed per pig?
How old should the pigs be to eat fermented foods
Well you’re definitely on the right track Troy with the boars you really want to socialize your boars and your sows but more emphasis on the Boers because during breeding time they are quite aggressive when they’re really socialized with you you’re just more of an irritant than them getting aggressive and you want to build a stall just for breeding it took us a while once we had all our pigs to figure out what worked really well you’ll also only wanna have one bore for your herd because then they’ll start fighting and when they fight it is not pretty
did you not do maple syrup this year?
Not this year. My neighbor has an incredible production facility so we get syrup from him.
Hi any updates?
Wheat middlings or shorts was what we fed hogs in the 60's
Also it's middlings are about 16% protein a portable concrete mixer will get all the grain wet very quickly..
Also park your trailer and feed in it a few days before loading for market.. they'll be self loading pigs
Was that you on the fiddle?
This could have been a short.
Do you have to soak it? Can't u just feed straight from the bag?
Does not require soaking. Fermenting helps with digestion
I don't know about your method of feeding other than it drops down from above My suggestion would be put in some kind of gate or door that can limit the food going down to them Plus the fact you'll need to be in there releasing the food will make you a hero in their eye's Oh Look Here comes the guy that magically fills our belly's thus solving your interaction issues with the pigs Just a thought
I know some guys that are feeding wet whole grain from a feeder but my current feed consistency would turn to concrete!
Does it cut down on any of the feed costs?
We will need to see how if the consumption drops. If more gets digested and less ends up coming out the back end, then it should if I can regulate the right servings each day.
@@RedToolHouse I feed about 10% less feed when I soak it.
Everyone I've seen says it does - improved digestibility means they absorb more nutrients from the food they need, so they don't need as much (dry weight) to get the same weekly gain.
I would want to have the bulk dry matter store in a silo in a separate room in the pigs' shelter shed, and shelves for as many buckets as I needed for the number of animals and how long the feed needs to ferment. Then I could just grab the daily buckets, tip them over a half wall into the pigs' troughs, and refill the buckets and keep going. No bending and scooping with the wet feed in those big barrels, and minimal carrying.
But I do put a handful of whole dry grain in my cows' feed buckets, it goes straight through and is a great motivator for galahs or free range chooks to scratch through the manure, picking out anything they can eat and leaving the rest in tiny granules that wash into the ground in the next good rain!
So you don't have to strain it?
No. Just don't add too much water to it to begin.
Why does the feed need to ferment
If you think that was great... just wait until you try fermentation with excess milk...you can feed it each day and they gain like crazy 😧
What are the ingredients of your pig feed and we're is it manufactured as it shouldn't smell like pig shit ??
Fermenting should smell a bit like beer from grains and corn ??
Hey Troy, check this out for a good, cheap and mobile idea for pig feeders: ruclips.net/video/FTMaVuNigMk/видео.html. The guy in the vid interned on Joel Salatin's farm and has some great ideas for raising pigs.
Ha, I just interviewed Jordan this week for the podcast.
15:40 your comment was wildly sexist. I was enjoying your video until your contempt for heavy women came from out of nowhere. Women like me were publicly shamed for what? Your mild amusement? I'll bet you don't like it when people say YOU could stand to skip a meal or compare you to a pig, either. Women aren't the only ones that have body issues... and your cruel comment isn't going to help any of them who do.
I make fun of my own weight all the time. That is the problem today people are too offended by the slightest comment made in jest. Confidence is being able to make fun of yourself and not give a crap what other people say. I guess I am just an old, insensitive, misogynist.