Ford F-Series Sunroof Track Part 1: Track Removal
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- How to remove the sunroof track assembly on a 2015-Up Ford F-Series.
Very similar for Expedition/Navigator also
Part number for the new track: FL3Z-16502C22-E
That track # fits 2015-2018 for sure, as long as you have the same front deflector as in the video.
Thank you!!!!! Needed to know best way to get the sunroof rack out, this worked really well.
What an awesome video and great tips! Thank you
Thank you for the providing the video tutorial. The passenger side of my F-150 sun roof is vented up about 1/4 inch while the drive side is flush. The local dealer pulled the headliner and advised me to have the whole unit replaced for a total price of over $5K. I would like to attempt to repair it myself. How would I determine if I need to replace the entire track rather than just the guides/cables and possibly motors?
@@edgregorio73 there's really no way to determine which path to go there. If you do the cables you are taking the chance that the aftermarket cables you get could possibly not work. But if they do you will save a lot of money. You're on the other option is to do the whole track, that way you know it's going to work. It's just a little harder to do and more expensive. But there's no test to determine which one that you SHOULD do, they are essentially doing the same repair in different ways. Which is replacing the broken parts.
@@SealofPerfection Thank you for your quick reply. I greatly appreciate it. Where would you recommend I purchase a new track that fits the existing motors? The dealer mentioned that the the current generation track does not fit the existing motors.
@@edgregorio73 the dealer is wrong. The book recommends that you upgrade the motors with the new style, but you do not have to. I reuse old Motors all the time. If your old motor still work you can reuse them with no problem.
As far as where to buy one, get a price online at like Ford parts giant or one of the other authorized Sellers and see if the dealer will match it.
What was wrong with the track that it needed replacing? I have a rattle in the rear drivers side...going to try lubing the seals...also reinitiallized the sunroof and it helped a bit but wont know til the seals are relubed...thanks for all of the videos they have been a great help!
Lower cable guides were broken
You da man!! Thank you sir!!
Question...where are you located in NC? I'm in the western NC area. I bought a 2018 expedition with moonroof, and the owner before me broke the glass of the first section or moonroof, I guess, closing it with it being off track or broken or something. Where would I even start to diagnose the issue (find/see the problem)?
Also, he said the dealer disconnected the power to the moonroof...is that located behind the switches for it or somewhere else on the vehicle?
Thank you in advance!
I unplug one of the motors when I disable one. They are at the back. Pull the headliner down at the back of the opening, and you can see them.
To diagnose it, remove the front glass and watch this video: But I can about guarantee it needs a track.
ruclips.net/video/chfqa9zQgS0/видео.html
Your videos are great and extremely helpful. My sun shade won't retract and is stuck closed. Is there a way to retract the shade after the headliner is removed?
@@Paul-w4k you can simply loosen the motor and carefully slide it back manually to wherever you want it and then tighten the motor back up. I have a video on how to align the guides, you can use that video and just loosen the sun shade motor instead of the sunroof motor
@@SealofPerfection Fantastic! Thank you. I'll look for that video.
Appreciate you taking the time to post these instructions. I have a 2015 that I am going to have to replace the track on, as same deflector as your in video However when i look to order the FL3Z-16502C22-E part you list - it says it does not fit my 2015 F150... Just confirming before I order - I assume it saw it will not fit due to some small changes like the clips to the deflector but unsure.
The internet is wrong, it fits your vehicle. Has the updated lower guides and upper ones. I've put hundreds of them in.
All the tracks interchange up until sometime in 2019, when they changed the front deflector. Those will go in an earlier one, but you need the new deflector. Old one won't go in it.
@@SealofPerfection Thanks for the quick response, I have the part ordered, tried to swap out the cables first but something in the back keeps getting them jammed up and the motor stripped the cables... thank you for your instructions and details
@@Ragnar406 No problem, keep me updated on your progress
Where are you located
Hi I was wondering if you have a video on how to replace the sunroof front windshield - assuming the glass is bought with gasket on already.
I have a video on adjusting the glass. The only difference between that and replacing it would be removing the screws instead of just loosening them, and then lifting the glass out and back in.
@@SealofPerfection Thank you:) Is that process the same for a 2021 Ford Expedition? I found the video, it’s a 2 part video i think ..
@@josephemanuelloving4653 The sunroof glass? Yes, it's identical
@@SealofPerfection Yes, just the front windshield. I was watching the “Ford F series sunroof track part one: track removal” video.
If it was your truck would you replace the whole track? Or rebuild? I'm debating waiting on your rebuild video or just knocking the whole replacement now. Thank you, sir!
Hard to say. Replacing the track would definitely be easier. It's easier for the 2014-older trucks vs the rebuild for them, and looking at the new ones, I believe that won't change.
Plus you get the warranty from Ford if you buy it from an authorized seller.
The guide/cables just haven't been out long enough to see if it's going to be a long-term fix or not. They do look like they copied the updated guides that now come in the tracks, though.
I have been waiting for my preferred seller (Sunroof Doctor) to release theirs, but I see others have them and will probably get a set and see how the repair goes. I have several broken tracks I've saved just for this.
My 2017 track needs to be replaced (thank you for the video on how to tell), do you recommend changing the glass as well so I get new seals. I believe in your videos you said the ‘17 needs new glass because there is no way to just do the seals. I plan on owning the truck for many more years and don’t want to replace the track now and then have the seals fail in a couple of years. Thoughts?
If you want to completely future proof it, then that would be the way to go.
With the new style glasses, you can replace the seals on them if they ever go bad so it's much less expensive after the initial investment. And you're going to have them out anyway. You might be able to sell them to someone let me has a cracked glass or something.
Buy once, cry once, as the saying goes.
Thanks for the recommendation. Greatly appreciate it!
Hi!! I have to replace the rear sunroof glass cause it's broken. Do i have to disarm all the mechanism or I can replace that glass disarming the front glass?
What do you mean by "disarm"? To do the rear glass, you do have to drop the sunroof track. So you don't need to take it all the way out, but you need to drop the headliner, then drop the track and then you can get the rear glass out.
I would remove the front glass simply because it makes the whole assembly a lot lighter and easier to deal with.
@@SealofPerfection Sorry for my English. I need to replace the rear roof glass. My question is if I need to remove the roof trim or just the front roof glass. Sorry and thanks.
@@maxissj6831 do you have an f-150?
@@SealofPerfection Yes, I do. Here , in Argentina, it's F-150 raptor 2020.
@@maxissj6831 okay assuming they are the same as the F-150s here, there isn't any roof trim, which I would Define as something on top of the roof. You need to drop the sunroof track like it shows in this video. I would remove the front glass first, and then drop the track. Once you drop the track you can take the rear glass out by reaching into the opening from the top and pulling it out the top.
Do you by chance have the part number for the 2020+ trough you mentioned? Sunroof is way out of sync and broken pieces everywhere including the trough. Gonna replace the track and trough.
ML3Z 1654022 A
@@SealofPerfection thank you! This video is very helpful
Should you disconnect battery prior to doing this? Especially having to deal with airbags. Thanks!
I'm sure a repair manual probably says to do it, but I never have and have never had a problem. I guess officially, the answer probably would be yes you should disconnect it
Thank you sir
Would there be a way to tell if it was 100% my track? I heard a big pop and then my sunroof wouldn’t open anymore. It tilted up, but had a hard time going back down.
Would I be able to replace those guide rails alone?
ruclips.net/video/chfqa9zQgS0/видео.html
That will tell you what's wrong
My 2016 f150 is stuck halfway open so I can't take the glass off and replace the tracks. (I've removed the glass and taken broken pieces out before) have read that you can manually shut by getting to the motor and manually closing it using an allen wrench. Is this possible without taking the whole headliner off?
You can't really get to the motors without at least dropping the headliner in the back, but it's pretty easy. I have a video on how to do it. It's not exactly what you want to do but it will get you where you need to be
Do you think I need to drop the headliner to replace the front glass sunroof and gps antenna ?
No for the glass, yes for the antenna.
@@SealofPerfection thank you! I may be able to get away with just pulling down the front portion of the headliner it seems
@@josephemanuelloving4653 Yes, you can take down the visor and the visor anchor point, maybe the A pillar and pull the headliner down enough to get to it. It's a 10mm.
@@SealofPerfection beautiful! Thank you for this amazing video and for being so helpful and responsive by chat! True hero😇
One more question:
I’ll be picking up that glass at my local Ford dealer. Does it require a special sealant or glue of some kind to keep in place? I believe a black rubber sealant already comes wrapped around the glass. And then I think I need to glue it to the large mounting system that then gets attached to the tracks. Maybe I’m overthinking.
Hello, my 2018 f150 sunroof will not close all the way and when I try to close it the motor makes a loud grinding type noise. Can I just replace the motor or does the whole track need to be replaced?
@@MitchellJordan93 the grinding noise indicates that the lower cable guides are broken. Whether you can just replace the cables with one of the aftermarket kits or the whole track just depends on how badly it has damaged itself
Thank you for the fast response! What would you recommend me doing?
ruclips.net/video/chfqa9zQgS0/видео.html
This one will tell you what's broken. Then from there, if it's the lower guides for sure, you will need to make the decision to try and repair it with the aftermarket cables that are available, or just put a complete track in. I have videos in that playlist on how to do all of that.
With an 18, I believe somewhere in that year they upgraded the lower guides. I don't know what month it was, though. But if you have them, you might just need the upper guide arms, which is pretty easy to do. (also a how-to in that playlist)
But this video I linked has examples of what broken pieces came from what part. That's where you need to start.
Thank you sir I appreciate it!
@@MitchellJordan93 No problem, let me know what you find
I had a cable break do I need to pull the entire track out
Yep
Do I need to change the entire track or can I buy the lower guide cables
@@JosephSavage-o4q You can now buy guides. I cannot vouch for them yet as I haven't done a set. I do have a set that I need to install and see how they work, just haven't had time yet.
Otherwise, you'd need the whole track
Thanks!
Hey you think you can help me out with my sunroof idk if I need a new glass or whole assembly somebody broke into it
They broke in through the sunroof glass?
@@SealofPerfection yes and the mirror tracks that the mirror sit on are broken on 1side
@@LA2XXtharapper If the glass is shattered and all down in the track itself, you're probably going to need the glass and the track. It's almost impossible to clean all the broken glass out of there and it will damage the track when you operate it.
Hopefully your insurance will cover it.
@@SealofPerfectionman sad thing is I didn’t have insurance which is crazy
@@SealofPerfectiondo you have a email I can send you a video or pics
Hi I drop off my 2018 ford f150 at the dealership cause my sunroof won’t close and they said “you need to replace you whole sunroof frame and that will be 4.5k to get it replaced 7 hours of labor time. Dose is sound right.
Sunroof frame roughly 2k at the dealer, 7hrs x their labor rate, plus taxes and such. Probably is right for retail cost.
Doesn't cost that much around here, but labor rates vary a lot.
@@SealofPerfection what area are you in I'm in Buford,GA and I need mine fixed
@@LbpDayday NC
@@SealofPerfection what part and how much do you charge
@@LbpDayday email me
thesealofperfection@gmail.com
Do I understand correctly that a 2021-23 sunroof frame will fit a 2017 f150? 42:26
They will physically bolt in but the motors will not bolt into one. Those are different.
Edit: I see what you're talking about. I said track, but I meant trough. The trough from the 21 and up will bolt into a older track. And they are cheaper
Got it, okay that makes sense. Thanks for the help.
How many hours of labor do you charge?
Depends on what exactly am I doing
@@SealofPerfection track replacement. I'm just trying to gauge the time because there is no published labor for the track
@@kylewonner6856 I believe the warranty book pays 6.7. I think customer pay would probably be 8 to 10 depending on what shop is doing the markup from warranty.
Since I am a vendor, which is basically a subcontractor for dealerships, I just charge a flat price. But I do arrive at my prices by seeing how much labor there is first, and then I come in under that
So, I'm at a Christian brothers Auto repair shop in FL. I was guessing at about 10 hours but told the service advisor to get a quote from the dealership so we knew how far off we are.
@@kylewonner6856 yeah that's probably not unfair. Warranty book pays 6.7 and there are varying percentages as to how much people mark that up for customer pay
You got one doin 250 ??
No, but there's not much difference at all. The only real difference is the side airbags in front. You need to unplug their electrical connector to get to the 10mm bolt. The connector has a little sliding lock on it, I use a 90 degree pick to unlock it, and them the plug just pulls right off. Everything else is pretty much exactly the same after that. It's the exact same track, glasses, motor, shade, deflector, etc. Bolts up to the roof exactly the same.
Do you source your tracks from Ford direct? What is the cost for the track? Ford in Canada is quoting $2800 CAD (~$2010 USD) - is that what I should be expecting?!?!? Is there another source for these parts?
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@@Brian-bc8ds I buy them directly from one of my dealers.
@@SealofPerfection Well...thanks! I guess I was hoping for more...ahh...specifics! If you can't share, understood! Your information and videos are extremely helpful and appreciated!
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@@Brian-bc8ds fl3z 16502c22 e is the part number for the 15-early 18's.
I pay about the same at the dealer as you can get it online for. No trade secrets on that one. Maybe minus the shipping
@@SealofPerfection Yeah, the places I've seen KlLL you with the shipping to Canada...
Is it a different part number for the late 18s? I'm now looking at the cable replacement, though I've seen several negative comments about the cables being the wrong size or gearing for the motors.
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@@Brian-bc8ds it depends on your deflector.
If you have the newer style that looks like it is attached to a leaf spring then that part number won't work.
If you have the earlier style that has a little arm with a spring beneath it and is attached by a rivet, then that's your part number