8:43, the smile on you guys faces after your friend has just been blown out of his vehicle. Those are the faces of true elite warriors. Amazing. And as a yank, I'm sorry your rounds were shit when you needed them most. Thank you so much for your service.
that was also my last tour in the army, number 6 for me. No idea that Stuart Ramsey was even out there I met up with this team on the OP taking the turbine to the Kajaki dam. I was with Viking Group at the time and we were taking over positions from PF. Very small world! lol
The reason these vehicles are open top is to keep weight down. I was in Afghan in 2007 doing this job (not as a Pathfinder) and we used WMIK's then, which are basically cut down Land Rovers with two weapons mounting points. The idea of these vehicles is speed and fire power. You get in, smash the enemy and get out. They're used in small team's miles away from support and you carry a lot of ammo and supplies on each one. They're designed for long range patrol, rather than urban combat operations.
@@bmck5002 WTF? Lol. Why? I think it was an absolutely Ally and spiffing comment myself. Have You been on a few contacts before with a few Yank rounds or summet mucker?
@@bmck5002 The guy who posted is called outsiders Texas. He's probably from Texas, eats T Bone steaks, drinks Bud n JD, owns an oversized dodge pick up truck and has a ranch, horses and wears a Stetson hat and cowboy boots.... Probably US Marine Ooorahhh veteran Man he probbo gets mingin and smashes Mexican senoritas for fun every weekend and winds down watching vids like this and thinking about his life! But All He wants is not to fire his Yank rounds any more! And I get that and fucking fully understand his post. So explain more on why you think He's an Idiot? 🥳🤠😎💪
Quality series, thanks for sharing. One thing I've noticed is the level of education and personality shown by the NCOs of PF platoon. It's almost as if they could have joined as Officers, yet chose to be working soldiers.
Canadian here, 35 years including tours in Afghanistan. Canadian, Australian, and New Zealand troops all take there traditions from the British. Our senior noncommissioned officers (Sargeants) and Warrant officers are trained quite differently then American soldiers. Not better or worse, but a different philosophy of tasks. Some Noncommissioned officers (NCOs) will be asked to be officers, especially if they have a specialist training, but overall most stay in the "ranks". From experience I found most American soldiers to be well trained and especially well equipped/supported but not overly experienced outside there direct role. We definitely depend on the experience and flexibility of our NCOs more then the Americans.
They could have used something above .50 cal. Apparently they've tried to put cannon on Land Rovers, and it can't be done. The vehicle flys with the recoil. But 20mm, or something just less, could surely be carried on those kinds of vehicles. They need something that smacks through walls. Given that they were in vehicles most of the downside of the old Carl Gustav is taken away. The ammunition has really come on. Again, that would allow them to hit walls with loads of destructive force. Apparently Afghan mud walls full of stones are proof against .50 cal.
Crazy how it is wide open and they still have trouble seeing where the attack is coming from. Similar in Vietnam, but closer range, they could be fighting an emery jusy yards away and couldn’t see them in the thick jungle.
@TheConfusedDave No, he's not using the SA80. The Pathfinders don't use the SA80. They use the C7 which is a variation of the M16. Also, the gun that jammed was a GMG.
@davehego I agree. Jakal is a much heavier vehicle with better survivability. The Humvee is a jeep replacement. basically an SUV on steroids built for transportation, not for surviving IEDs. It was designed for conventional battle with the soviets in Europe. The Jakal is much more of a desert vehicle.
It’s crazy how many problems they have with their main guns (mg’s and granade launchers). Watched a lot of these videos, and both American and British seem to have nothing but problems with their weapons.
It's the Ammo, the manufacture of it, and the manufacture of the weapons are in different places. A Millimetre difference can be the making of a dead Man's click.
Jackal trucks leave the guys really exposed to everything . Ive experienced 50 degree heat in the outback ,60 degree heat is the temperature of a pie warmer. Pathfinders are some tough bastards . Cheers
@mysticmaus1 (cont'd) actually wiping out the taliban can be done more easily once the front gets closer, more reliable intel is available, strongholds are identified and more constant military presence and support is available. Pushing the safe zone further out slowly is far less risky.
This is one of the few documentaries/reports where they actually show the taliban fighters. From my experience, it seems that 90% of the Afghan war videos on RUclips are devoid of any sign of enemy fighters.
And another thing this was the first time the jackal had been used so it was the first less protected version Not the more protected version used today
My heart go to all of your brave. military marine and soldiers troops. I praying God protect your safety. Fighting for humanity freedom. SIR!! SALUTE!!.''
@mysticmaus1 (cont) This is how the war works, and it certainly saves coalition lives: - recon units go out, test enemy strength, gather intel, almost always come home safe - front moves forward, new FOBs are built, more troops and bases and general support - heavy military presence restricts taliban activities. Get the locals on-side - gather more intel, work out where their stronghold is or who the leader(s) are - Special forces raid with air support takes them out
@TheRockomb At a 1:40 the 50cal is either jamming or needs to be reloaded, that is what I was talking about. The 50cal is a beast, I did not expect to see that. 3 different thoughts in my comment about 3 different issues, but good on ya for pointing out the obvious.
im sorry about people bad mouthing the pathfinders but in all honesty... after his legs being smashed to bits hes smiling in a picture taken on the floor with his comrades.... of course he has morphine in him but still.... id like to see some of these battlefield 3 players go through what he has ACTUALLY gone through... have respect for people and get a grip
@mysticmaus1 Identifying targets before combat is sketchy, could shoot a civvie. In the closer fighting and/or when they know everyone nearby are taliban, they usually come under contact in their vehicles, little opportunity to get marksmen into position, and by then it's not worth the risk of sacrificing cover from the vehicles. Remember, their main role was to recon and take no losses; doing anything risky in an isolated recon unit is a bad idea
A nice, maybe I want to join the marines in a few years. I have watched now also many combat journalist docu's like this and also follow the news about the middle east and Iran etc..
Although the Jackal may not be ideal, its better protected than its predecessor the Pinkie Land Rover, which was basically a 110 Land Rover stripped of anything that could be removed. I think the pinkie was more reliable though going off what I've read!!!
I'd want heavier and better protected APCs / tanks in this part of the world, with sniper rifles & serious optics. It seemed like a constant struggle to see the enemy. You sit on top of these vehicles firing heavy caliber, but fairly unprotected to an enemy sniper. Seriously brave I have to say *salute*
I feel for these guy's crusing around in open top truck's, one lucky airburst would take them all out ! We road around in Duce 1/2 and open top Hummer's in Iraq back in 91 when I was in the Marines I never felt very safe . Who ever thought that Rig up should get a Swift kick in the nut's by every one In that company (-: !!!
The british soldiers are the best in the world, no doubt in my mind. you just have to listen to the calm way they reacted during the contact i'm sure you would have heard laughter and genral urine extraction on the unmiked jags, speedy recovery to the two injured
Not a soldier but I've never shot American rounds which caused jamming. They're not low quality so I doubt that's the issue. Probably just a normal jam had dirt and dust in the barrel. He seemed well frustrated which is understandable but also don't think he knew it was yank rounds fault.
@Simirial dreamer. demilitarizing isn't the goal. the goal is security. peace through strength. the afghan central government needs to be strong and needs to be able to project power into the interior.
Only one time has anybody succeded to defeat guerilla forces and that was in Malaysa in the 1950's. It was that campaign that introduced the "hearts and mind" tactic
I think if you go back in history hundreds or thousands of years, many times guerilla forces have been defeated. It’s called genocide! You just kill every last one of them the problem is we wouldn’t get away with it nowadays!
@CFCJAKE93CFC Yeah. that was priceless. but I felt bad that this young lance corporal got shot because of these faulty rounds. my guess is that the gun and the rounds were slightly mismatched (perhaps the wear on the gun barrel or time in the desert) for some reason.
I would offer up some of my time to serve my country again. Support the lads and up the numbers, it's a shame the British don't work with Private Contractors
We do work with contractors. Loads of the security tasks were carried out by G4S when I was there. They were doing some military personnel protection tasks in Lashkar Gah when I was there in 2010/11, and in Kabul when I was late there about 4 years ago.
The big problem with soldering nowadays is the fact that wherever our military is sent it is not for the defence of our country and it's sovereign people, it is all about political gains and money and making certain civil/public servants richer than they already are, our military needs to start questioning the political motives for any deployment other than the true defence of our nation and it's people....
@mysticmaus1 Just an amalgamaition of many things... I have friends in the military... I'm a tactics enthusiast of sorts... I've used a combined-arms simulator which includes afghanistan quite a lot... watched far too many combat journalist documentaries like this one and followed news about the middle east I'm not in service but between these things you can be pretty sure :) At least I'm not citing call of duty or other games that teach you how not to fight a war, haha
@gs500en Brits go out there without support because they have no choice. Not because they want. Not enough people and equipment to make it happen. But actually, they were supported by air and artillery. The difference is that if this was US, they would have airlifted that downed JAKAL instead of towing it. It's really a resource issue.
@thewonderer101 there newly designed pieces of kit that haven't had a test in the field yet like most road legal cars the first editions will break down probably in the first 3 months so when you've design such a top piece of kit, it goes without saying there will be problems. I.E.D's can be any random size, i know the jackal was trashed and wrote off after and the guy was catapulted out of it but better that then have his legs blown off or arms, at least he'll beable to carry on with his life.
They need vehicles with more armored area fir the troops, like a MRAP TRUCK,DEFINITELY MORE MISSILES AND LONGER RANGE HEAVY HITTING STUFF. LET them use there own guns and ammunition that they know how to use. Maybe some closer aircover like a A10 or Similar airplane.
"fucking yank rounds... fucking YANK ROUNDS FUCKING YANK ROUNDS!!! Never again going to make me fire yank rounds... fucking... yank rounds Ive got 9 boxes but these yank rounds are shit there not firing." Poor guy made me laugh.. hope he has recovered though, much braver man than I.
8:43, the smile on you guys faces after your friend has just been blown out of his vehicle. Those are the faces of true elite warriors. Amazing.
And as a yank, I'm sorry your rounds were shit when you needed them most. Thank you so much for your service.
Yanks are incompetent in every situation. Lost every war they start
"Fucking yank rounds!" "these fucking yank rounds are shit!" love it
Todd Spikes our grandfathers were fighting a few years before you lot decided to join the party. But anyway, thanks for joining the fun xx
best documentary of this war that Ive seen yet. You gotta admire the proffessionalism of these Brit troops.
LOLLLL .... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Scott and Tim: From a greatful American...thank you for your service and I wish you both a speedy recovery.
I live in the USA state of Michigan town of Canonsburg I just want to say thank you for your service and dedication God bless you
Thank you
I'm very proud of these guys , complete professionalism , dedication ,drive , unselfiness , humility and daring spirit.
Giv"em hell guys....To all the soldiers lost in Afghanistan...R.I.P...True heros....
Rip in hell all terrorists soldiers
Assumption that Talibans are there just shooting in the air
omg, thank you for the upload!
that was also my last tour in the army, number 6 for me. No idea that Stuart Ramsey was even out there I met up with this team on the OP taking the turbine to the Kajaki dam. I was with Viking Group at the time and we were taking over positions from PF. Very small world! lol
Balls of steel all of them , good effort lads
The reason these vehicles are open top is to keep weight down. I was in Afghan in 2007 doing this job (not as a Pathfinder) and we used WMIK's then, which are basically cut down Land Rovers with two weapons mounting points. The idea of these vehicles is speed and fire power. You get in, smash the enemy and get out. They're used in small team's miles away from support and you carry a lot of ammo and supplies on each one. They're designed for long range patrol, rather than urban combat operations.
Respect from Australia! Nothing but respect for you POME's =)
All the best of luck to all PATHFINDERS,one of my favorite documentarys on RUclips
All the best gents
Thanks for posting.
8:50 such an inspirational picture....thank you heros
Yank rounds! LOL!
the guy who posted this is a fool
@@bmck5002 why??
@@bmck5002 WTF? Lol. Why?
I think it was an absolutely Ally and spiffing comment myself.
Have You been on a few contacts before with a few Yank rounds or summet mucker?
@@cheekboy7247 I thought the same as you man.
@@bmck5002 The guy who posted is called outsiders Texas. He's probably from Texas, eats T Bone steaks, drinks Bud n JD, owns an oversized dodge pick up truck and has a ranch, horses and wears a Stetson hat and cowboy boots....
Probably
US Marine Ooorahhh veteran
Man he probbo gets mingin and smashes Mexican senoritas for fun every weekend and winds down watching vids like this and thinking about his life!
But All He wants is not to fire his Yank rounds any more!
And I get that and fucking fully understand his post.
So explain more on why you think He's an Idiot? 🥳🤠😎💪
Quality series, thanks for sharing.
One thing I've noticed is the level of education and personality shown by the NCOs of PF platoon. It's almost as if they could have joined as Officers, yet chose to be working soldiers.
Totally agree
Canadian here, 35 years including tours in Afghanistan. Canadian, Australian, and New Zealand troops all take there traditions from the British. Our senior noncommissioned officers (Sargeants) and Warrant officers are trained quite differently then American soldiers. Not better or worse, but a different philosophy of tasks. Some Noncommissioned officers (NCOs) will be asked to be officers, especially if they have a specialist training, but overall most stay in the "ranks". From experience I found most American soldiers to be well trained and especially well equipped/supported but not overly experienced outside there direct role. We definitely depend on the experience and flexibility of our NCOs more then the Americans.
javelins are simply great :D
Respect to all that served our country
I see, thanks for clearing it up.
you live you learn...
biggest respect to these men.
They could have used something above .50 cal. Apparently they've tried to put cannon on Land Rovers, and it can't be done. The vehicle flys with the recoil. But 20mm, or something just less, could surely be carried on those kinds of vehicles. They need something that smacks through walls. Given that they were in vehicles most of the downside of the old Carl Gustav is taken away. The ammunition has really come on. Again, that would allow them to hit walls with loads of destructive force. Apparently Afghan mud walls full of stones are proof against .50 cal.
thank you for your service
Yank rounds!!! Lmao
You could hear the round impact his leg. Crazy
Crazy how it is wide open and they still have trouble seeing where the attack is coming from. Similar in Vietnam, but closer range, they could be fighting an emery jusy yards away and couldn’t see them in the thick jungle.
@TheConfusedDave No, he's not using the SA80. The Pathfinders don't use the SA80. They use the C7 which is a variation of the M16. Also, the gun that jammed was a GMG.
@davehego I agree. Jakal is a much heavier vehicle with better survivability. The Humvee is a jeep replacement. basically an SUV on steroids built for transportation, not for surviving IEDs. It was designed for conventional battle with the soviets in Europe. The Jakal is much more of a desert vehicle.
It’s crazy how many problems they have with their main guns (mg’s and granade launchers). Watched a lot of these videos, and both American and British seem to have nothing but problems with their weapons.
and Canadain also jam after jam
They should by russian guns ;D They just WORK.
Eric Holder sold them all the good ones.
It's the Ammo, the manufacture of it, and the manufacture of the weapons are in different places.
A Millimetre difference can be the making of a dead Man's click.
It’s the sand. I literally had to clean my weapon 3-4 times a day if I wasn’t using it.
That was interesting.
Jackal trucks leave the guys really exposed to everything . Ive experienced 50 degree heat in the outback ,60 degree heat is the temperature of a pie warmer. Pathfinders are some tough bastards . Cheers
The OC Matt Taylor is now OC D Company 2Para.
@mysticmaus1 (cont'd) actually wiping out the taliban can be done more easily once the front gets closer, more reliable intel is available, strongholds are identified and more constant military presence and support is available. Pushing the safe zone further out slowly is far less risky.
No one can win in Afghanistan great country.
His right and they use it because its small and compact also effective at all ranges, the British Military Police use them also.
This is one of the few documentaries/reports where they actually show the taliban fighters. From my experience, it seems that 90% of the Afghan war videos on RUclips are devoid of any sign of enemy fighters.
@jamaljamz I agree with you. Very brave man, still smiling.
And another thing this was the first time the jackal had been used so it was the first less protected version Not the more protected version used today
My heart go to all of your brave. military marine and soldiers troops. I praying God protect your safety. Fighting for humanity freedom. SIR!! SALUTE!!.''
Some up close and personal.
Great documentary. Q: What are we doing there?
@mysticmaus1 (cont) This is how the war works, and it certainly saves coalition lives:
- recon units go out, test enemy strength, gather intel, almost always come home safe
- front moves forward, new FOBs are built, more troops and bases and general support - heavy military presence restricts taliban activities. Get the locals on-side
- gather more intel, work out where their stronghold is or who the leader(s) are
- Special forces raid with air support takes them out
@gamemakerjunior Thank you very much! How you know all this? ;-)
Doesn’t matter who’s rounds you’re using, when your vehicle is an open hatched dump truck full of sand and dirt.
@TheRockomb At a 1:40 the 50cal is either jamming or needs to be reloaded, that is what I was talking about. The 50cal is a beast, I did not expect to see that. 3 different thoughts in my comment about 3 different issues, but good on ya for pointing out the obvious.
im sorry about people bad mouthing the pathfinders but in all honesty... after his legs being smashed to bits hes smiling in a picture taken on the floor with his comrades.... of course he has morphine in him but still.... id like to see some of these battlefield 3 players go through what he has ACTUALLY gone through... have respect for people and get a grip
Case pressure (powder) and brass thickness is different. same with 5.56 and .223
omg! pathfinders!
Baha, tough bugger. Blown the hell up and then poses for a picture.
Bollock level : 1000
1:00 lol look at the two people walking unconcernedly in the right during the firefight
Pathfinders 👍
real tough guys. They make Britain great.
Respect
What rifles are they using? L119's?
@mysticmaus1 Identifying targets before combat is sketchy, could shoot a civvie. In the closer fighting and/or when they know everyone nearby are taliban, they usually come under contact in their vehicles, little opportunity to get marksmen into position, and by then it's not worth the risk of sacrificing cover from the vehicles.
Remember, their main role was to recon and take no losses; doing anything risky in an isolated recon unit is a bad idea
A nice, maybe I want to join the marines in a few years. I have watched now also many combat journalist docu's like this and also follow the news about the middle east and Iran etc..
Although the Jackal may not be ideal, its better protected than its predecessor the Pinkie Land Rover, which was basically a 110 Land Rover stripped of anything that could be removed. I think the pinkie was more reliable though going off what I've read!!!
I'm surprised about the lack of optics sniper/marksman rifles. I personally at least would like to see the enemy.
"Know where that come from yeah?" "No" aha ;) Good luck guys
@lazerz4eyez Yeah, the round being American is such a deciding factor on whether or not it jams...derp.
And also you have to take in consideration they are in a hot sandy dusty enviroment. witch will place all guns under a massive strain.
@ronsiris1 That's why I love us brits, those that aren't chavs and cowards are the bravest and most respectful men you could come across.
Racist prick
Half those guys out there where . Chavs
Council
House
And
Violent.
You keep bumming Owen Jones .
Trustafarian arsehole.
At least gimpey never gives up...
@Louisthefish23 you mean the grenade machine gun?
@lazerz4eyez
40mm grenade launcher. not the 50.
The gunners position is like a sitting duck!!
I'd want heavier and better protected APCs / tanks in this part of the world, with sniper rifles & serious optics. It seemed like a constant struggle to see the enemy. You sit on top of these vehicles firing heavy caliber, but fairly unprotected to an enemy sniper. Seriously brave I have to say *salute*
The videos would be better if they explained how winning that war was impossible from the beginning
I feel for these guy's crusing around in open top truck's, one lucky airburst would take them all out ! We road around in Duce 1/2 and open top Hummer's in Iraq back in 91 when I was in the Marines I never felt very safe . Who ever thought that Rig up should get a Swift kick in the nut's by every one In that company (-: !!!
The british soldiers are the best in the world, no doubt in my mind. you just have to listen to the calm way they reacted during the contact i'm sure you would have heard laughter and genral urine extraction on the unmiked jags, speedy recovery to the two injured
LOLLLLLL.
Watch a different countries war videos for a change.
Perhaps American warriors.
Thanks bud.
@@bmck5002 P r ! c k - bet you voted Trump as well
Not a soldier but I've never shot American rounds which caused jamming. They're not low quality so I doubt that's the issue. Probably just a normal jam had dirt and dust in the barrel. He seemed well frustrated which is understandable but also don't think he knew it was yank rounds fault.
@Simirial dreamer. demilitarizing isn't the goal. the goal is security. peace through strength. the afghan central government needs to be strong and needs to be able to project power into the interior.
Only one time has anybody succeded to defeat guerilla forces and that was in Malaysa in the 1950's. It was that campaign that introduced the "hearts and mind" tactic
I think if you go back in history hundreds or thousands of years, many times guerilla forces have been defeated. It’s called genocide! You just kill every last one of them the problem is we wouldn’t get away with it nowadays!
@CFCJAKE93CFC Yeah. that was priceless. but I felt bad that this young lance corporal got shot because of these faulty rounds. my guess is that the gun and the rounds were slightly mismatched (perhaps the wear on the gun barrel or time in the desert) for some reason.
full respect guys for what you went through ..and yea yank rounds are shit
It's not an m16. From what I can see they are using the L119a1 and some kind of m4 with a cqbr barrel.
@chuzastaicho Someone has already answered. And they knew what they were talking about.
I would offer up some of my time to serve my country again. Support the lads and up the numbers, it's a shame the British don't work with Private Contractors
We do work with contractors. Loads of the security tasks were carried out by G4S when I was there. They were doing some military personnel protection tasks in Lashkar Gah when I was there in 2010/11, and in Kabul when I was late there about 4 years ago.
Just so you know they are not M4 carbines they are colt Canada C8 carbines same used by the British special forces
Yes
@mossmusic Pathfinders use specialised weapons, like the SBS.
Like the ever useless Jackal.
The big problem with soldering nowadays is the fact that wherever our military is sent it is not for the defence of our country and it's sovereign people, it is all about political gains and money and making certain civil/public servants richer than they already are, our military needs to start questioning the political motives for any deployment other than the true defence of our nation and it's people....
3:00-3:25 Reminds me of that Brad Pitt movie on Netflix. American General "I'm here to take over". Not gonna happen.
See the video from talibn I think that same video fighting from other side there side everyone have lmg and one with rpg
anyone know the difference between yank ammo and British? thought it was all under NATO and the same?
I hope to join the paras and then the path finders in the near future.
Did you?
all soldiers want to be there they joined the army
@mysticmaus1 Just an amalgamaition of many things... I have friends in the military... I'm a tactics enthusiast of sorts... I've used a combined-arms simulator which includes afghanistan quite a lot... watched far too many combat journalist documentaries like this one and followed news about the middle east
I'm not in service but between these things you can be pretty sure :)
At least I'm not citing call of duty or other games that teach you how not to fight a war, haha
god bless the uk troops
Buckshee tour that !....
I think NATO is 5.56mm and US use 7.62 depending on witch gun they use.
isn't 7.62 Nato the same as .308 I thought they were just different measurements metric/imperial
at least that is what I've been told
@gs500en Brits go out there without support because they have no choice. Not because they want. Not enough people and equipment to make it happen. But actually, they were supported by air and artillery. The difference is that if this was US, they would have airlifted that downed JAKAL instead of towing it. It's really a resource issue.
@thewonderer101 there newly designed pieces of kit that haven't had a test in the field yet like most road legal cars the first editions will break down probably in the first 3 months so when you've design such a top piece of kit, it goes without saying there will be problems. I.E.D's can be any random size, i know the jackal was trashed and wrote off after and the guy was catapulted out of it but better that then have his legs blown off or arms, at least he'll beable to carry on with his life.
Damn, 50 cal jamming.
Ha, "fucking yank rounds", no doubt.
Good lucky, Scotty, take care of yourself. That looks like a horrific injury.
It was the 40mm that had the problems
They need vehicles with more armored area fir the troops, like a MRAP TRUCK,DEFINITELY MORE MISSILES AND LONGER RANGE HEAVY HITTING STUFF. LET them use there own guns and ammunition that they know how to use. Maybe some closer aircover like a A10 or Similar airplane.
What the fuck are you on about?
As a Yank I apologize for the shit ammo…
@eulianotee and you are? even in WW2 US tank shells were renowned for misfiring. in some case's as many as 1 in 5 AP shells was dud round.
@5:04 There goes £75,000
Is it £75,000 of British or Yank rounds though? Haha there is a huge difference.
"fucking yank rounds...
fucking YANK ROUNDS
FUCKING YANK ROUNDS!!!
Never again going to make me fire yank rounds...
fucking... yank rounds
Ive got 9 boxes but these yank rounds are shit there not firing."
Poor guy made me laugh.. hope he has recovered though, much braver man than I.
Why not using snipers? All those rounds from all the other waepons miss target?
Can someone explain why they dont use snipers?