Women Are Breaking Into This Sport After 2,000 Years
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024
- Ancient Iranian sports like Zoorkhaneh and Pahlevani are a mix of wrestling, martial arts and calisthenics. Dating back to the first century BC, the games were originally used to train warriors and represented ideals of masculinity. Today they’ve taken on more sacred meaning and remain reserved only for men as more women try to break into the sport.
In a series titled “Taking License,” VICE News meets women across Iran who are pushing social boundaries.
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The drum and the woman singing in the beginning was so beautiful
Like a cat being strangled
Absolutely beautiful.
@@PaulNicholas420 low effort bait
@@PaulNicholas420 nice try
@@PaulNicholas420 Cat being strangled? I didn't hear Janis Joplin anywhere in this video.
edit:typo
Before viewing this video, this practice was unknown to me. Learning different cultural traditions is my most favorite thing about the internet. 🦋
the first gym bfire chingiz khan .this made by hashashin with poems from hakim frdosi tusi from khorasan.the words assasisin its originated of hashashin.learn about this dynesty in internet
Not a lot of People what a Great Country Iran is ! People think that's an Islamic State but in fact most of the People are Zoroastrians, they are peacefull and want to Open their Country to the rest of the World...but other Country like USA or Europe tells Bullshit about this Country 😢
Much respect to the man who's training them,the statement he made about his daughter just shows how open minded and supportive he is
Taliban just took over, so soon Iraq will follow suit with their restrictive rules on woman’s rights.
@@LeeeroyJenkins the Taliban took over Afghanistan and this video takes place in Iran. Iraq was only under threat of an ISIS takeover and an international coalition put a stop to that.
This was part of footman trainings of soldiers in ancient persia and became less popular during the 16th century by replacement of Muskets. You can see every shape of weapons which the champions use in zoorkhane, you can see heavy objects resemble bow, mace, shield and sword. Polo or in farsi *Chogan* was another ancient persian sport and was a part of the field trainings of the cavalry forces in the region and it also became less popular when lighter guns such as automatic rifles were introduced to the region by the british late 17th century, so even cavalry men started using guns. Chogan was mainly practiced by the kings guards and the last chogan field that was built is the _Naghsh-e Jahan square_ in Isfahan. In chogan you can see when a chogan player hitting the ball resemble exact methods when a cavalry would use his weapon to attack a man on foot.
Zoorkhane how ever were easier to access by the locals ,there were no need of daily maintenance and care unlike a chogan field, so it remained part of the cities up untill just few decades ago where most of zoorkhanes were closed, there are still a few in every town or city but due to the western influence on the local's culture and the youth ,less and less people learn this sport.
I really love hearing Iranian speaking their language. Beautiful...
Im hearing the genesis for French, Italian and Spanish
Thank you, but we will destroy Israel
@@abbash90 Amen
Farsi is from the Indo-Iranian
language family, and is definitely one of the world's most beautiful languages with its melodic intonations. Very pretty. :)
@@abbash90 nope, Israel will destory you. Iranian have ZERO power over Israel. As a Malaysian, I believe in the Bible, and Bible said Iran will be destroyed. Your Islamic Mullah government is wicked and corrupt.
I keep saying this, but Iran is a far more diverse country that we give it credit for. The US screwed up decades ago in failing to align a democratic Middle East government that had, more than any other, the makings of a truly pluralistic, open society. But we had to depose the elected president in favor of the Shah, who was more like Saddam Hussein than anything else. If it's played correcting, though, in a few years we could have that pluralistic country it could have been a long time ago.
The U.S. could only do so much, it’s more of a Vietnam situation. The front man for U.S. democracy in Iran failed to use funds for its people as intended, therefore shining light on the worst part of capitalism. I will admit the Shah was most likely the better option for the people in respect to their interests.
@@DJX435 Actually Vietnam IS a broadly apt comparison. The political movement to free Vietnam from the yoke of French colonialism sought the support of the US, citing our own deliverance from English rule. Yet for other political reasons we sided with France. Didn't work out well.
As to Iran, though, maybe you mistyped there, he was a murderous dictator who cowed his people and had a secret police force that even Iranian students in the US feared. That they used the influence of religious fundamentalism to pull together a coalition to overthrow the Shah was inevitable. Sadly now they've spent decades trying to get out from under that, as a people. Once you put a dictator in power, whether a materialistic or religious one, it's hard to get them to give that up.
Now, the rise of the Shah is a very complex story, of course, as the influence of British, Russian, and German occupation and trade had become very important of course. After WW II, when Reza Shah was ruling in the style of a secular president a la Turkish government, because of his ties to Nazi Germany during the war, the Allies forced Reza out and established his son, Shah Muhammed, who is the Shah we know, however after the war, another group rose and they elected Mohammed Musadegh (not sure of spelling) that was a non-communist left-wing leader who wanted to wrest control of Iran's natural resources back to the country while diminishing the influence of religious leadership. After he nationalized the oil industry, well, naturally this inflamed Britain and the US as they had extensive interests in those oil reserves. SO together they led a coup that ousted Musadegh and re-instituted Muhammed Reza Shah who became a horror of a human being.
@@justaguy6100 ah yes, my apologies I do believe I had another country in mind when referring to the shah. Thank you for the knowledge it will not be forgotten. It’s always a pleasure to converse with a fellow history lover. Live long and prosper my friend.
Idk about that
@@eldridgedavis Ok, please, what in particular?
They are so determined! Just let them do it. It's really sad to see so much restrictions on people.
@new soul how is that even remotely similar 😶
@new soul u really need to shut up bro
As a Muslim I see no "religious" issue with these women pursuing this sport. I think it is strictly a social issue which shouldn't exist.
Then ur wrong
The Quran would beg to differ. Also, out of personal experience; a bazzillion incidents with muslim man behaviour towards muslim woman (seeing woman as lower then man in general, throw toxic liquid in woman's face to be maimed for life, stalking and demanding marriage, etc)
@@byron-ih2ge lol play more, travel more bro,
@@zydian_ explain. Your post makes no sense
Iran is so beautiful, geographically, culturally
just for men, it.s a hell for women.
@@Asisibra we built the country, soo
@@persianguy1524 half right
@@xblade149 no, most. Men built civilization
@@persianguy1524 must be why it's so backward
With all due respect for all the athletes in the world. With my fathers mentoring and teachings. We are both trying to be the first to promote Zoorkhaneh and the sport of Pahlevani in North America. Because this sport is very useful for martial arts, and overall health throughout life. My father has been doing this with martial arts for over 50 years. Zoorkhaneh helps to build a lot more cleaner society and environment to build both male and female respectful athletes with the help of God.
There's not one Zoorkhaneh pit in Turkey and most possibly 99.9 percent of the population is unaware of its existence except a couple of Persian culture nerds. How do I know that you might ask, I am born and bred Turkish. Double check your sources next time VICE.
Love for the people of Iran. Your ancient culture is beautiful. I wish we could all tolerate one another where we disagree, and celebrate each other in every other instance.
interestingly alot of arab countries despise their ancient history for being ones of infidels. A shame really even before islam the middle east was one of the most developed and cultural places of that time
@@delgermuruntsagaankhuu6951 I don’t think that’s true. Egyptians and Iraqis are immensely proud of their pre Islamic history and some even regret the loss of their indigenous languages to Arabic.
I would love to learn this. God bless the men who protect these women and help them gain the space they need to exist as they need to. I really really hope their government will support these ladies
I think its nice to allow men & women to be involved with various activities. I hope that men will still have a mens only space available if they desire it. Having options is great for everyone.
Yes. Sometimes you want to spend time with the opposite sex, sometimes with your own, sometimes with both. All options should be available to all.
My only criticism is that they could have perhaps spent a few minutes explaining how the actual sport works, besides that, another great story Vice, I love learning about new cultures and traditions! Thank you!
You already have control over their bodies and what they're to wear at all times, here they want to help in preserving an ancient sport and they get backlash. Unequal societies breed Rebellion.
control over their bodies?. As in men wrote the rules of modesty in Quran?. Educate yourself on islam before making claims. The woman who choose to wear what they wear and follow their religious norms laid out by their religion and faith would be offend by your claim that they are mindless controlled people.
@@houseofhas9355 If they choose to wear what they want why does the country need a moral police for women?
@@amanchaudhary742 what do you call your law enforcement. are they not enforcing the moral code of the law? Is islamic law and religious norms not this society’s right to enforce? You can disagree with it, and so do many including myself. As someone from a muslim society I have never understood westerner’s mindset of “my culture is better”, Its not. You have problems just like us. you’re not superior. Clean your own house before holding your noise up at us claiming woman of our society are drones who’s bodies are controlled. Did it ever occurred to you that woman make this decision on their own out of religious faith. Just like nuns in your own country who choose to wear modest clothing. Christians and muslim have alot in common. If your read the two books you would understand that. Similar stories, similar codes of ethics and morality and similar lessons on modesty.
reporting like this pushes an agenda. Betting on the fact your not aware of islamic societies divide of the sexes Which is based on religious norms and centuries of customs for each individual nation. You can’t change thousand year old societies with this oh look how backwards and sexist their society is.
News flash libnuts, your society has the exact same problem. Get the context on religion first before gobbling this up.
Then how do you explain so much rebellion in the west?
I hope their instructor will post online tutorials or workouts for those of us that want to practice privately!
It's like weed and psychedelics in the US. Solve this issue by legalization and regulation. Women will get into sports. At least regulate it by legalization in stead of pushing it away into unregulated territory.
Haha this is all about religion and oppression of women. Registration and legislation isn't going to change the attitude unless you change the beliefs.
@@tclanjtopsom4846 Financial incentives have changed religious believes since forever. People just need to be cunning enough.
@@abemi869 religeon and government should be seperate and there would be easy to fix.
Well stated: along with capitalization. At the end of the day, money will always supersede gender, religion, ethnicity, tradition, etc.
@@DiabolikalFollikles money runs everything in our world but its through religeon in iran, they get their power from religeon, i always say money is behind everything and religeon is all about money and power. They will fight tooth and nail to keep it.
First I'd like to say Asalaam Alaykum to the people of Iran. Even though I'm African American. I'm a Shia Muslim and very familiar with wrestling in Iran. I have many Iranian friends here in my city. And I've been to a Zoorkhaneh before. Although I'm not a big sports fan, martial arts is one of my favorite pastimes. And I've enjoyed studying Islamic martial arts in particular. I hope these ladies can get a movement going. And I'm loving how women are using Shariah to battle for women's rights and equality. Good luck ladies.
I didn't know Farsi has almost the exact same words as Hindi for words like 'Pahlavan' which is 'Pehelwan' in Hindi. And even the numerals One and Two 'Ek' 'Do' which is the exact same pronunciation in Hindi. Even we too call it chai ☕
The romantic languages also share words. I'm fascinated by linguistic evolution tbh. What is Hungarian doe
The Mughals popularized zurkhaneh training in India, the other linguistic connections go back to the Indo Iranian branch (Ariya)
Khamosh as well for quiet. Urdu (and by extension Hindi) has a lot of farsi words.
Of course because indo aryans and iranians are two branches of the same family (indo-iranians )
But all this kushti ( also known as pehlwani) we see in the indian subcontinent was developed by persianised turkic people( mughals) who ruled india by combining persia's pahlevani and zourkhaneh with ancient india's malla yuddha.
Just let men and women compete equally in all sports. End of unequallity between sexes
Amazing. I didn’t even know that the zoorkhane tradition was alive at all. Doubly cool that women are keeping it alive.
Had this video on my "watch later" list since like forever. Such a great report! Can't wait for new all-welcoming zoorkhanehs to pop up in the future.
inequality breeds rebellion.
don't like social rebellion?
then stop fo''rcing yo''ur beliefs on others. 🙄
Captain fishflaps
1 hour ago
All fun until the trans women want a go
@@raw442 what
Women want to compete with men sports until trans women show up to compete with them then everybody is crying it's "unfair" Lol
@@raw442 wth that stuff will sort out self eventually. Trans drama is trans drama. Islamic culture is pretty rough on women and it's great when there's more freedom given to them overtime.
Mate. It's more complicated than ya think. The whole Islamic culture lived on keeping that tradition alive for how inhumane it may look. In modern world it's great to see people starting to change their minds slowly.
Religion and sport should never be mixed.
Thank you to all the men, husbands, fathers, trainers supporting the women who want to play and be healthy.
Men don't want women to participate in any sport because it will give them a sense of having some control over their own lives and the old guard and "religious" men cannot have women being independent.
Good on you for continuing to fight for women's rights to be able to play your ancestral sport. Especially as it is an Iranian sport not an Islamic one. If this is 2,000 years old it was around a long time before Islam.
Ban women from this sport.... why tho?
Because allah
@@goatmansasquatch1485 nope.. bcos iranian husband dont want scary wife... Wife already scary without martial art, they will become more scarier if they have martial art.
This is world husband problem
@@SilatBegin dont joke around in such serious matters
@@SilatBegin if men are biologically built to be fighting machines, what tf would would make women scary to them? Men are built like that to protect their wives and children, but sadly some men take advange of women and assault them.
@@SilatBegin martial artist women will marry martial artist men..so what's the problem?
Also I'm from iran and this sport is not from islam 😐 like this sport is from our culture not from a religion 😑 the reason there not letting women do this sport is because the government
It's a beautiful sport. Persia is one of my favorite empires so I love Iran always and want it to return to greatness. Tradition has a way of infiltrating religion to oppress women even more. Small men there is enough sunshine for us all.
Here the case is different islam is something which was imposed on persia by the arabs who conquered the land . the entire culture and traditions of persians comes from zoroastrianism
In a Muslim country, this actually IS a big deal.
Hopefully she doesn't get killed for it
No it isnt smart ass
@@Excalibur01 Iran isn’t south asia.
@@abemi869 What's wrong with South Asia?
@@24.anakhaaneed20 South Asia has a culture of undermining women regardless of religion. Just look up how Hindus treated widows. Even how south asian Muslim men treat their women compared to Malaysian, Indonesian and Turkish Muslim men treat their women.
So proud of them. Keep it up! God bless
respect! after starting practicing myself i can assure: it looks easier than it is! i recommend: never start a fight with one practitioner, neither male nor female! go ladies👍
It was practiced for more than two thousand years in Iraq due to the rule of the Sassanid Pahlavi state, and after Islam the Faili Kurds continued to practice it until Saddam and the racist Baath Party were stripped of their citizenship, men dissolved in acid basins, and women were displaced to the Iranian borders. its ancient historyThus, the features of Baghdad have changed forever. It has now become a place parties gangs , and its ancient history has been erased by Arab racists.
Great piece vice
These women are the future and only way out for Iran
Persian Clubs made famous by The Iron Sheik.
I feel like I only watched warm-ups. Where is the sport?
Well yeah you are seeing the strength training part of it . Zurkhane is very ancient dating back to pre-islamic times obviously this is being field in Iran and I'm pretty sure the government wouldn't allow vice to film women wrestling .
@@jacobocaj5778 Those are actually traditional Hindu Clubs and Akhada training not Bowling Clubs. Kushti was described in Vedic works.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_club.
Gada and Akhada training dates back to 5-7th CE and was also noted and well written about in Arthashatra by Kautilya in 4th BC.
Persians only started using this in 19th century.
Stop cultural appropriation.
@@Apster this episode is not about the clubs its about kushti(wrestling),and zurkhanes(powerhouse)mr.wikipedia , no 1 is discrediting the origin of this strength training relax .
I see Iranian brave solider martyr Ibrahim Hadi photo in this video who fought bravely in Iran Iraq war I have read his book namely (peace be on Ibrahim) very inspirational book I am from kashmir every Shia should read his book
Over 1400 years ago Persian women were queens ruling the nation and admirals commanding military ships.
Then came the religion of peace!
To women life and liberty!
Those are the clubs the iron sheik would use in the wwe
Do they have swimming? Legit question I can't find a trace
yeah? that's a dumb question
@@ser0t0ninaddict94 like competing? Saudi arabia and so on?
They do
@@armwrestlingfan6804 yeah they do. Im not sure how good their national swimming team is but they have one
@@armwrestlingfan6804 Dear just focus on the laws & regulations of your own country where u're residing right now. Intentionally targeting a specific country shows your orthodox mind-setups. Grow up pal bcoz in 21st digital & scientific century, no sane human being accept the petty-minded ppl like u.
Love to see sterotypes being broken and women being recognised more
Well they are in other countries
Come on this is 2020! A woman can do the same thing a man can do if they want. It's not a mans world anymore. Let them enjoy and be apart
I am assuming pahlevani means wrestling and in northern parts of India pehlwani means wrestling too . I could be wrong but if I am right it really shows how culturally india and iran were connected . 👍👍 . Also the dumbbells used are similar to what is used in the northern parts of India too .
Those are actually traditional Hindu Clubs and Akhada training not Bowling Clubs. Kushti was described in Vedic works.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_club.
Gada and Akhada training dates back to 5-7th CE and was also noted and well written about in Arthashatra by Kautilya in 4th BC.
Persians only started using this in 19th century.
Stop cultural appropriation.
Because Hindi and Urdu take a lot from Farsi, both languages have tons of persianized words because of Mughals
@@jinismymom7272 Urdu does. Hindi is Sanskrit. Please don’t talk utter bs. Shudh Hindi has nothing to do with Farsi and Sanskrit is older then Farsi.
@@Apsterthat’s nonsense . Persians have been using mil for thousands of years. Zurkhane is Zoroastrian and not Islamic . Zurkhane #1
@@jorndoff2002 Buddy Vedic civilisation is older than yours.
Women need to know their place. And that's not in the Zoorkhaneh but at home.
El deporte es para todos!
i think this story is one sided i been away from Iran for 35 years now and im not expert of whats going on in Iran but what i see in this video and what i remember as a young man in Iran Zoorkhanhe was not just sport club it was a man's club and nowhere in the world mans would allow any female in to their private club i dont think anybody will stop these ladies from having their own club and do what they want if they can to that in public as we see it in this video then im pretty sure they can do it in their own private club but i think is too much for them to ask to get in to man's private club
I am actually surprised how religious and ritualistic this sport is in Iran. Like in India & Pakistan it's a lot more secular, and a lot more focus on the physical fitness aspect, although not without some religious aspects... Why is that though? The music and the trance-like state reminds me of Sufi "meditation". Also, realistically speaking, what are the grounds for the prohibition for women, or rather, what are the _alleged_ reasons? Also is this purely a government thing or is society at large hostile towards letting women participate?
I think it has a lot to do with the religious government currently in power. Everything is about Islam to them, even the traditionally secular aspects of Iranian society
Iranian men are scared because if women begin taking part in sports, that is the beginning of the path to them having more freedoms.
Such a wow. keep going.
Really enjoyed this! They are badass!!
Sport?
They didn’t show the wrestling component of Zoorkhaneh.
Seeing those two women in hijab knuckle-touching each other was so surreal..
A sport?
Bash each other over the head?!
'Moves' are quite limited and repetitive.
Maybe i need showing...
Hal e shoma chetowr e?
Stop destroying the original traditions and cultures
didnt even show the sport lol
Good for iran
Well done sheer zane Irani -good luck
Those weightlifting thing
Indians too do that especially North indians
Same practice is Lahore and Gujranwala Local Wrestler.
We do kushti lol not zourkhaneh
Why can't women just let us men gather together and enjoy or time without women being around? Women just can't leave us men alone. Women have there places men can't go but we men can't have nothing. Women go away!
Out of curiosity what's the language the Iranians are speaking 🤔
Persian also know as Farsi
You go girls!!!
This is the weirdest "sport" I don't understand the competitive side of it, but it looks like an interesting ritual. I guess it could be categorized as a sort of rhythmic gymnastic if it were ever to be a part of the IOCs list of recognized sports.
It's more like a way of exercising/training/working out
This sport should defiantly be on the ESPN8: The Ocho
It's definitely not a sport. I'd call it a ritualized exercise/dance.
And how pray tell, would you deffine 'sports'? Cause to me its a ritualised repetition to raise praise for ones teams namesake
you don't consider wrestling a sport?
So gymnastics is ????
They didn’t show the hijab wressSsle part in case hijabs falls off
@@katiaaskildt7830 So what's the scoring system of this "sport"?
Why not create their own sport
Is there any evidence that women participated in these sports in pre islamic times? Why assume they didn't?
Its not an assumption when theres 2000 years of documentation on the sport, I'd advise you go take a class on critical thinking
@@poofpoof9940 Cite the source which specifies no women in sport in pre-Islamic times.
Indeed there is evidence of women Pahlavans in pre Islamic Iran, i have tried to highlight then on my IG @persianyoga
Is this Islamic in origin or Persian ?
And isn't there sanction on Iran, how did the government allowed this to be recorded ?
Persian in origin, and women were allowed to practice pre Islam
this started in esmaeilian dynesty or hashashin dynesty.the name is zoorkhane with singing poems of fedowsi tusi from khorasan.some yreas before the era of chingizkhan.the words assasin originted of hashashin.you could read history of hshshin which the leader hasan sabah born in yeman.yemen is was a persian or iran one of trotry in that time of history.which could be very nice to know .zooekhane is first kind of collective male gymin wholw world.now each year is competition of countries like wc .
If done, with maximum dignity and with intentions to please the Almighty Allah and it's nation then why not.
We all know, female dogs cannot give birth to Tigers, lions and Cheetahs.
Neither a Tigress, lioness or Female cheetah, can give to a Dog.
Only Pehlwaan woman gives birth to a "Pehlwaan".
We chose wrong when we accepted Saudi Arabia over Iran
Then you obviously don't understand middle east politics
I swing clubs and mace and when I show them off and the ladies always are naturals at the lighter weights
Um, thanks for the article. Totally relevant and useful. Do next one on social troubles of giraffes or fascinating life of a goldfish. Also, accordion players don't get enough spotlight.
you don't like it? then don't watch
@@ser0t0ninaddict94 I said it's totally relevant and useful! If that's not liking it, what is?
Can we see the amazing articles and documentaries you are making Indrek?
It's still a more useful and relevant than you ever have been, and these woman are twice the men you ever will be.
@@_dell3888 do you call this an amazing article ? 😃😃
Indian phlvani is better than iranese zurkhnaeh
Such a repressive culture. What a shame.
Cool
All fun until the trans women want a go
^
I was really hoping to see some sort of wrestling or boxing.
I see why Vice is going bankrupt.
Where do I find this episode w/ dubs
Bene gesriet
PehelvA is there is in India too
Hopefully a women's wrestling would grow out of this movement, just like it's male counterparts. And hopefully we'll witness them bring gold in Olympics. 🙏
I wish I could exercise in Balenciaga sneakers
Frick yeah!!!!!! Learned about Palavhani through Kashi Asad! Wemon deserve to be in places of power!!!
this art is native to india not iran
no
@@pierrepa8372 yes
Islam don't forbid men and women to do sport, also it is encouraging to be healthy. As long as they wearing properly according to Islam.
I think it's ban in Iran bcos iranian husband scare their wife.. imagine a wife know martial arts, they will become scarier 😂😂
Who cares?
Bravo 👍🌹
Someone should show this to the self-absorbed sports stars of America so they can see what real oppression and exclusion is.
I find it perculiar that she's using 'system' as an English loan word.
This implies that before Iranians came into contact with Norman-germanic cultures, they had no word for system. Does that mean also they had no concept of a system?
Interesting.
Of course Iranians have a concept of system, they had an ancient empire… and it’s a French loan word by the way, not much English in Farsi but a fair amount of French
@@AvaAnnaZ hence Norman-germanic
Wow. I hope they haven’t all been hung since this video came out. Cool Sport.
Go Iran
Ok, what's the sport, jazzersize?
They wressle
Hijab wrasslin
@@goatmansasquatch1485 I didn't see any wrasslin, just cymbal playing
This ain’t no fucking sport 😂
Love Persia
Looks Vic Berger is finally back on his anti psychotic medication
These women are so badass! 😆
These are real world examples of inequalities between genders and I would root for women to be able to play that sport. Yet here in the US women go head over heels and think it’s inequality and narcissistic for men to not call them by a certain phrase or words with those stupid pronouns. 🤦🏾♂️ The level of privileged is just too much lol.
You almost had me in the beginning, then you went _way_ off the rails. Refusing to use someone's pronouns is like knowing someone's name is Mark but choosing to call him Chelsea even though you _know_ his name is Mark. Disrespecting someone's pronouns is literally disrespecting who they are.
Don't even bother replying to me, as I can tell it won't be a productive conversation.
Should protest against wearing a hijab
Looks like you’re wearing one and yah they should but they won’t they like it
they do for themselves in accordance with their religion. Its a choice made by them because of the belief system. You take agency way from these woman when westerners talk like this. Difference is in iran and more religious muslim countries the majority of the population is muslim and practice laws written around the Quran’s law and teachings. So one can’t copy and paste american/western ideal of individualist thinking on thousand year old societies.
@@houseofhas9355 so why do they immigrate to the west all the time if the religion and way of life is so great
@@goatmansasquatch1485 If you have to ask that question you don’t the hardship ppl go through in 2nd and 3rd world. Corruption, lack of personal freedom, sanctions that make life extremely difficult. Sanctions on medicine you take for granted like aspirin, and many more things of course. Ppl leave for variety of reasons But still doesn’ mean that hijab wearing woman are controlled mindless woman are all oppressed to wear it. Why do you put the phone and computer down and ask a muslim woman, and you’ll understand the nuance around it.
@@goatmansasquatch1485 wow you're ignorant.
First...women who wear hijabs and cover are PROUD to do so. YOU and I and any man outside their family and their GOD....are simply not worthy of seeing them. In most cases, their modesty is not forced upon them; they are honored to be covered and will fight to remain that way.
Second...people aren't migrating from other countries into America because of their religion. They are leaving their countries because of societal and economic woes. They come here and still continue to cover and practice their religious beliefs free of persecution.
Dude you need to open your mind and travel more. Its 2021...you should be embarrassed to be this ignorant and/or stupid.
Islam destroys evrything..