Are Some Paddles Best For Certain Skill Levels?

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  • Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2024

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  • @BrionesPickleball
    @BrionesPickleball Месяц назад +70

    I thought to own a court you need to be over a 4.0?

  • @CareyFan
    @CareyFan Месяц назад +11

    I had initially subscribed to the school of thought of staying with a control paddle when/if you are less skilled. Because no matter how hard you swing, you'll have a better chance of hitting it over the net without hitting it out. And this makes perfect sense.
    However, I've discovered on my own that if I use a paddle that's "above" my skill level (like a Gearbox PPE), it forces me to shorten my swing and reduce the tightness of my grip. And then when I switch from a Gearbox to a Ruby, everything feels better. Especially drops and dinks.
    In his podcast, James Ignatowich also talked about this. He mentions that players should actually use as powerful a paddle as they can reasonably handle..and that it would actually force you to do things to dial in your control (shorten swing, reduce grip tightness, focus on sweet spot of paddle).

    • @feederchua
      @feederchua Месяц назад

      Yea I kinda agree with that. I started off with an Apollo and felt that while the control was great the lack of power made it hard to gauge how much strength to hit with.
      Switched to a Shogun OEM and it's much better for me now. Have a better gauge on how much power to use when hitting.

    • @mcnillerandsons7906
      @mcnillerandsons7906 Месяц назад +2

      I’ve been the same way. I run Gearbox PPE primarily and always carry my Ruby and Shogun when I’m having off days.

    • @zeruth467
      @zeruth467 Месяц назад

      I think you get both sides based off your comment.
      There’s definitely helpful factors for someone’s game when it comes to power paddles, but we have to think percentage wise - how many people who buy a power paddles will ACTUALLY improve because they bought one? How many people will ACTUALLY shorten their swings once they notice they’re doing too much? I 100% agree that it can help, (I’ve always used 14’s) but I think people’s games won’t change unless they want it to

    • @PickleballStudio
      @PickleballStudio  Месяц назад +5

      I think aspects of your comment are true.
      Though, the key word in the statement from James is "The most powerful paddle you can reasonably handle".
      For the vast, vast majority of players "reasonably handle" is not a Gearbox, Gen 3, etc. If elite pros aren't choosing to use the Pro Power, probably a good sign that a 3.5 isn't going to handle that super well.
      Doesn't mean it can't work for some, but majority I don't think can.

    • @TheLanierTapes
      @TheLanierTapes Месяц назад

      ⁠@@PickleballStudioI agree! But to be fair the aspect that a power paddle can force you to work on control is a great point, and should be looked at more.

  • @RTJ-PB
    @RTJ-PB Месяц назад +6

    Hi guys - great job as always - can you give us an update on the ripples breaking in/heating up? Are they becoming too hot? Have any broke or core crushed? Thanks!

  • @stephenchavkin8082
    @stephenchavkin8082 Месяц назад +3

    I've been trying to spread the wear over 3 year old Legacy paddles to avoid changing paddles before November Nationals. Along the same lines, I've been using a training paddle all summer in rec play.

    • @Danieltp79
      @Danieltp79 Месяц назад

      There’s something about those Legacy paddles, I keep returning to it too.

  • @65atBestPB
    @65atBestPB Месяц назад +2

    I was going to make the point that pickleball paddle sweet spot discussions should not be limited to baseline full strokes, but Chris said it @32:00.
    My pickleball observations (almost two years) after years of tennis:
    - sweet spot size on baseline strokes was never the issue, the issue was the wiffle bounces like crap
    - sweet spot ironically seems to matter most on the soft game, dinks, 3rd shot drops. Everyone learns this pretty quick when mishit dinks and drops die a deserved death. Higher level tennis didn’t have these “arming only” skilled shots. Even tennis backhand drop shots and volleys had some body/shoulder rotation assist element. When we say tennis players starting pickleball need to learn the soft skills, it’s basically the pickleball arming skills unique (and still strange) to pickleball
    - maybe the standard/wide shape is what matters most in firefights than it’s larger sweet spot, and it’s larger sweet spot helps most with avoiding those mishit dinks. After 3 months with Apollo I came away thinking that shape is hands down best in firefights. I am still going back to hybrid after now playing all shapes.
    - Aizec, you have WAY more time against fast drives to your baseline in pickleball than in tennis. I would explain it like this: In higher level tennis, against a fast rally ball, your mind has already calculated your swing by the time it bounces on your side. Most pros already have body coiled and racquet back by this point, and once full swing starts very little chance for correction (let’s say tennis hardcourt). The pace of opponents shot requires this, and a rubber ball bouncing on concrete provides the consistency needed for than internal calculation. If you ever want visual proof this is what happens, watch a top pro whiff on those rare bad hardcourt bounces. I have found it to be different in pickleball at the baseline, have to slow that internal calculation and commit swing a bit later. Not to mention, who knows how the wiffle is going to bounce, or if it’s going to bounce. 🤣
    I think it was Zane that mentioned the importance of trying to concentrate even more trying to hit middle of paddle on drops and dinks.

  • @kevinflynn437
    @kevinflynn437 Месяц назад +1

    I loved hearing your thoughts about the roll versus the flick after watching Tanners video. I was having the same thoughts. It would be great to hear on a regular basis “what I’m currently working on “. Love the pod

  • @steve-94951
    @steve-94951 Месяц назад +2

    the sweet spot notion is analogous in pb as it is with golf clubs
    gb ppe is a good example of a paddle for better players...smaller sweet spot harder to control but allows skilled players with better hands and better control to use as more of a weapon

  • @kimleith1378
    @kimleith1378 Месяц назад +1

    Hope that one neighbor stays cool. Check the decibel level ordinance in you area.
    Like my GB PPE. The learning curve for it was tricky. Swing mechanics changes had to really change. Drilling with a machine helped me both with breaking it in and learning a new swing style.
    500 to 700 balls in a row of the same type of a shot really helps.
    Looking forward to the CRBN magic wand release.

  • @ADA513
    @ADA513 Месяц назад +2

    Omg. Those houses are close too lol. I always wondered if those sound proofing tarps would help or if the noise would just kinda go over them.

  • @prestonshort1637
    @prestonshort1637 Месяц назад +1

    Can you give your best paddles for spin? I am in my mid 50's, and the power paddle doesn't fit my game anymore, but spin and placement has been a key to stay with the yute's of America. Thanks guys for your pods. I appreciate your hard work.

  • @holeshe
    @holeshe Месяц назад +5

    What i want to know is CRBN release date, that's the new I want

  • @k.g.r.2682
    @k.g.r.2682 Месяц назад +3

    Gotta say, I LOVE pickleball and play continually, as frequently as I am able, but I would never put a pickleball court in my yard; as much as I love the sport, I love being a good neighbor, and pickleball is in fact LOUD and interferes with the quiet enjoyment of home life. I'm imagining sleeping in on a Saturday, or having a peaceful dinner on my deck, or hanging in my hammock reading a book, and one of my neighbors is banging a pickleball around. I would NEVER buy a home where I saw a pickleball court within three houses in either direction. Regardless of the conversation you had with your neighbors, you have, in fact, decreased the value of THEIR homes by putting in a pickleball court; and regardless of what they told you beforehand, your neighbors will definitely resent you for your decision once they realize how loud it really is when you start using it.

    • @E.Fudd56
      @E.Fudd56 Месяц назад +1

      I agree completely, unless you employ "quiet" equipment I would suspect that resentment over the noise will grow in your neighborhood.

    • @malcomnotinthemiddle343
      @malcomnotinthemiddle343 27 дней назад

      Crazy thing is there is usually noise curfews. Between those hours it’s fair game.

  • @davidunnerstall1541
    @davidunnerstall1541 Месяц назад +1

    A cautionary tale concerning temporarily taping your court. I used tape that was not suppose to leave a residue, but after 30 days on the court I had to use a cement grinder head on a hand grinder to remove the residue before painting the court.

  • @twodubz2280
    @twodubz2280 Месяц назад +2

    Woohoo! New episode!

  • @jeffcastillo1598
    @jeffcastillo1598 Месяц назад +1

    I think drilling the routine of dinking,speed ups, 7-11 etc… hopefully that’s like 30-40 mins. Then after all that work on things to improve on.

  • @huddy025
    @huddy025 Месяц назад

    Great pod boys

  • @sully7582
    @sully7582 Месяц назад

    3.5 drilling tips was my favorite part 😂

  • @christianeprice
    @christianeprice Месяц назад

    I’m dying over the “like dude I’m gonna HAPPY GILMORE this thing” on serve comment, but you’re right it works! I’ve been told to whip almost like a woman’s softball serve and even as a 50+ 4.25ish lady I get missed returns and particularly force short returns for offensive 3rds. It’s definitely smart to have as option in arsenal.

  • @Fernaggio
    @Fernaggio Месяц назад +5

    My two cents...people who are NOT super athletic, should NOT be using the crazy power paddles like the Joola Gen 3s', Gearbox Pro Power, etc. There's a kid that plays at the courts I usually go to, that got a power paddle. He's a nice kid, but not super athletic, when it comes to movement, and hand eye coordination. I'm sure every court has some people like this. And a power paddle in this kid's hand, is just plain dangerous. He has no feel or idea what that paddle can do, and he almost killed several people when he took full swings on what should've been easy resets, and almost decaptitated his opponents

  • @trishstout6695
    @trishstout6695 Месяц назад

    QUESTION: What paddles would you recommend for wrist/elbow/shoulder injuries? Love my Black Ace for that purpose but mine is delaminated and want to get a little more control but it’s proving very difficult narrowing down a winner with so many choices.

  • @PickleballChris
    @PickleballChris Месяц назад +1

    Just for clarification... I do remember you talking about the process of buying a home a while back on the POD.
    Since your in the pickleball business.. Wouldn't you have looked for a place a little more "in the country"..
    Knowing you were more than likely putting in a court??
    #pickleballchris
    #tylerwrenpropickleball
    #OptaHealthAndWellness
    #rawpickleballbuzz
    #Pickleball

  • @kjkeum07
    @kjkeum07 Месяц назад +1

    How would you place Spartus Olympus in with those power paddles? It seems much more controllable then then Black Ace/PPE/TKO/Mod-TA. It also sounds like Ripple is uncontrollable like the Gen3

  • @MrPanthers23
    @MrPanthers23 Месяц назад +1

    Any updates on the Ripple? Are they getting hotter? Release date? I wanna buy one day 1 they release. I main a j2k, love the big sweet spot. You recommend the R1 or R2?

  • @patricksnyder3446
    @patricksnyder3446 Месяц назад

    absolutely 100%! You watch beginners and intermediates get these hot paddles and never learn the nuances of the game! they hit everything to hard just stand back and let the hit it out land if not out into the net, they can't dink and are constantly frustrated by paddles meant for advanced and better.

  • @7soccergeek
    @7soccergeek Месяц назад

    If you are trying to find/adjust the balance point of a hybrid paddle, ideally where do you want the balance point to be? Across the center of the face?

  • @foot_fault
    @foot_fault Месяц назад +9

    Vatic prism flash all day!

    • @davidmosher2989
      @davidmosher2989 Месяц назад

      I'm carrying both versions of the VPF now.... Loving the long handled version a lot right now though.

    • @49dubs
      @49dubs Месяц назад

      I just switched from the flash to the prism flash and damn the control is nice

    • @65atBestPB
      @65atBestPB Месяц назад

      @@davidmosher2989 After all these thermoformed paddles, I’m back to enjoying the Vatic Prism Flash. I have the 16 mm shorter handle, any feedback on SH 16 vs LH 16? I have been thinking about getting the LH. I have watched Lanky’s review, but haven’t seen much else.

    • @davidmosher2989
      @davidmosher2989 Месяц назад

      @@65atBestPB Personal opinion here, but I think the LH has all the control benefits we have with the SH with the added benefit of a bit more overhead put-away power. This is totally just my feeling with it. Both of them are 16 for me also. I'd be curious to know if you put any tungsten tape on yours. I have actually _never_ added any to any of my paddles, but am thinking of tinkering... 😉

    • @65atBestPB
      @65atBestPB Месяц назад

      @@davidmosher2989 Yes, I add weight. On all paddles, I add on over grip first, and then experiment with 3g strips. I now just start with the 3g strips without removing the backing, and attach with electrical tape. You can move it around during a play session. I start with 4 and 8, often that is good to go. If still feels like I need a little more on drives, will move from 4 and 8, to 3 and 9. If still want more, will move back to 4 and 8, and add 3rd 3 g strip at 12. One of the issues I ran into with Apollo, and some degree with Prism Flash is you are tempted to add weight to overcome the lower swing weight, but then you have defeated the “faster hands” thing.
      Since with Dayrl/Vatic, you can request static weight, I have been starting with 8.0 oz, then I can weight it up as needed. I have typically ended up 8.4ish static weight with paddles, 8.6 oz with Apollo the heaviest. I had ended up at 8.5 oz with Vatic Pro Flash 14 mm, and 8.4 oz Prism Flash 16 mm. I both cases, weight at 4 and 8 did in fact feel better on drives.
      Recently, going back to Prism Flash, I reduced the static weight from 8.4 oz to 8.25. Kept 4 and 8 weight, but removed the edge tape I had around the entire paddle edge guard. Feels fine, and I’m starting to value kitchen hand speed over the added weight I would choose if it was just a baseline game. I love going back to the control of Prism, I can hit my targets and value precision over power, have enough pace from tennis. I only play doubles. I enjoy thermoformed paddles, and many feel fine to me until you get to a stiffness level like the Thrive Azul.

  • @robertharless3304
    @robertharless3304 Месяц назад

    Hope u had survey done when you purchased the house. It protects you and shows everything about your property. If you do have one and have questions. Call the surveyor who did it or ask me. I’m a surveyor in Florida

  • @willgjetson2566
    @willgjetson2566 Месяц назад

    Since you are taping lines you guys can make some really funny court shapes and change where the kitchen is or stuff like that

  • @prestonshort1637
    @prestonshort1637 Месяц назад +1

    Are you going to name the court "The Aizec" cuz - I'm sure he's going to own it.

  • @FoxtrottHavoc
    @FoxtrottHavoc Месяц назад +1

    Do you guys practice trick shots? ATP, Ernie’s etc.

    • @AizecOlson
      @AizecOlson Месяц назад +1

      I’m constantly practicing tweeners, it’s one of my favorite shots to hit. I’ve been trying to teach Chris to hit them too haha

  • @garygorgo3600
    @garygorgo3600 Месяц назад

    Comparing the new Ronbus Ripple to New engage Pursuit Pro 1 which do you would be a better paddle for 3.5 player who likes a lot of spin and power. I usually play with a 14 mm paddle. Thanks

  • @blackcayman64
    @blackcayman64 Месяц назад

    Gents…
    What paddle comes next?
    I’m 60 year old 4.0 player, used to play Gen 2 Perseus…
    Got Vertigo, have less balance & blurry vision when I’m moving…
    I went down to a Gamma Airbender… played 5 months with it… now 4 months with the Shogun!
    Loved them both, ready for the next step up…
    Not to a Full G3 Power Paddle
    ????????

  • @ELIT3xCHAOS
    @ELIT3xCHAOS Месяц назад

    Question I would like to try putting more weight and using other paddles but I am very sensitive to swing weight honesty anything over 113/114 just feels very slow to me. I have been playing. With mostly wide body’s for a while but felt like I was missing a lot of power. Switched to tho-c 12.7 and feel like I am playing my best pickleball. The question is should I just stick to the lighter swing weight paddles or seriously hit the gym and just get stronger if so can you talk about workouts specifically for pickleball

  • @waterek1
    @waterek1 Месяц назад

    I would like to see a response to James Igatowich's recent pod where he advised to get used to playing with more powerful paddles because that is where the game is going. I have never heard anyone say this before. I am a 3.5 and have the Bantam TKO-C 14.3. I got the thicker version thinking it would be more forgiving. I love the put away power, but many times wonder if I should get an all court paddle for consistency, but James' pod messed me up!!!!😠 I have had a 6 zero DD, PROXR Standard and the Jola Gen 3 Magnus.

  • @donnatillman8034
    @donnatillman8034 Месяц назад

    I see a lot of Jr. PPA players with power-oriented Joolas and Selkirks. What are your thoughts on starting out kids who are 8 to 10 years old with power paddles instead of control? I have mostly girls in our middle school pickleball club, and I feel like the 6th graders could benefit from more power - some of them can barely get the serve past the kitchen.

  • @SamuelSandoval1
    @SamuelSandoval1 Месяц назад

    That's awesome.... Are you going to keep playing if there is snow on the court?

  • @kevinchristensen6874
    @kevinchristensen6874 Месяц назад

    Make sure to ask you concrete contractor how often you should water the concrete after it is poured for proper curing. You want your court to last without cracking!

  • @albuonanno5554
    @albuonanno5554 Месяц назад

    Speaking on paddles for certain skill levels, what are your thoughts on the Body Helix X3 Pro?

  • @760Piper
    @760Piper Месяц назад

    My two favorite things to do. Play Pickleball and play the bagpipes!!!
    Not at the same though.

  • @sirajkiller123
    @sirajkiller123 Месяц назад

    What would you recommend beginners to work on in drilling?

  • @ruhrohraggy1313
    @ruhrohraggy1313 Месяц назад

    Do you know of any good drills one can do while sitting down? I'm having hip surgery soon and will have 4 weeks of no weight on one leg and at least 8 weeks of PT. I'm hoping to use that time to learn 2h BH because I come from table tennis and only know 1h shots

  • @shawnwsl
    @shawnwsl Месяц назад

    have you guys tried the 15mm DBDe?

  • @pickleballnic
    @pickleballnic Месяц назад

    Still love my 002.

  • @TeenaSuzuki
    @TeenaSuzuki Месяц назад

    What type of net will you be using on your home court, Chris? Permanent, semi-permanent, or portable?

  • @frydog1ea
    @frydog1ea Месяц назад

    Question: When the weather changes, does the style or model of Melin hat change? AKA: do you move from the Hydro to Hydro Lite or Adventure club based on temperature...
    Also if you have tried the Adventure Club series what are your thoughts.
    Will you do a roundup of all the Titanium (Polyester) paddles at the end of the year or start of the new year to discuss your thoughts on their play characteristics vs their carbon fiber siblings. It has been interesting to see the addition of Kevlar and now Polyester to the mix... Do you see any other materials on the horizon?

    • @PickleballStudio
      @PickleballStudio  Месяц назад

      Personally, I just use the Hydro. I might try out the Thermals this season and see what I think though.

  • @zachcarmichael699
    @zachcarmichael699 Месяц назад +2

    1:07 Use a foam ball or don't build IMO. I've been playing for 6 years now, but I'd be going crazy if a neighbor built a court near me. Better yet, make it a small indoor facility.

  • @PickleballChris
    @PickleballChris Месяц назад

    Great Pod, You get tested when there's nothing new in the biz to talk about...
    IDEA: Do a whole segment on the process of installing a court. Decisions, Design, Execution, "Wish I had done", Best Idea ever.. etc....
    That will give you plenty to talk about. Maybe create as a side segment for content. Sure your local businsesses would like the advertising.. lol
    #pickleballchris
    #tylerwrenpropickleball
    #OptaHealthAndWellness
    #rawpickleballbuzz
    #Pickleball

  • @TooColdHands
    @TooColdHands Месяц назад

    Thoughts on the Gearbox Pro Control? I often hear people mention the Pro Power, but I'm curious how the Pro Control compares to some of these newer paddles. Also, have you heard anything on a new shape for the Gearbox Pro Ultimate? They didn't release an Integra shape for it and I'm hoping for a Gearbox Pro Hybrid shape.

    • @paulmancini1968
      @paulmancini1968 Месяц назад

      The GB Pro Control has moderate power, nothing like the Power. I used the Control when my Power became uncontrollable, but wanted more put away power and spin. The new Ultimate is my paddle now, much better feel, great spin and the power is just below the Power model but it’s controllable. 5.0+ level…

  • @pickleworms
    @pickleworms Месяц назад

    Why did you ask for questions if you really don't intend on answering? I counted 5 responses out of 96 comments. So many good questions that I would like your perspective on.

  • @GoodGuyPickleballer
    @GoodGuyPickleballer Месяц назад

    I guess how most people feel about really loud motorcycles. Maybe most people feel that way about pickleball noise.

    • @DaddyDinksAllDay
      @DaddyDinksAllDay Месяц назад

      you know what's funny is ben johns hates the sound of loud vehicles😅

  • @KuliSatuala
    @KuliSatuala Месяц назад

    Pickleball is life me n all family play fun n exercises hhh

  • @robrodgersse
    @robrodgersse Месяц назад

    blades in golf have slightly less power that game improvement irons (cavity back or holow). Their appeal to better golfers is workability, feel and control, not power.

  • @Scottie045
    @Scottie045 Месяц назад

    What if you just use the Library ball at your court in the early AM / late PM so that neighbor doesn’t get upset?

  • @FarmerLankyPickleball
    @FarmerLankyPickleball Месяц назад

    If your personal court got shut down just turn that space into a fish pond lol

    • @65atBestPB
      @65atBestPB Месяц назад

      It’s not like he is getting chickens and horny cows 😂

  • @earlmasangkay8573
    @earlmasangkay8573 Месяц назад

    Hi, can you pls do another 20% off on the Spartus Olympus plsss someof us missed that window 🤣

  • @mr.mr.3301
    @mr.mr.3301 Месяц назад

    When you talk to the Honolulu people, tell them to add about a quarter of an inch to the grip

  • @mango0686
    @mango0686 Месяц назад +1

    Putting a pickleball court in your backyard is a mistake

  • @cjudo
    @cjudo Месяц назад

    question, can i have a paddle please? preferably the mod, or the olympus! thank you.

    • @cjudo
      @cjudo Месяц назад

      if it helps my birthday was on friday

  • @nn-NeuralNetwork
    @nn-NeuralNetwork Месяц назад

    Wish there was a way to try different shapes without spending hundreds

  • @panamaslim595
    @panamaslim595 Месяц назад

    CRBN update?

  • @groot3371
    @groot3371 Месяц назад +2

    I enjoyed the podcast. I liked Aizec and your view on which paddles are good for certain players. This is a good starting point for each type of player to start at. Hopefully, you will not have any future drama from your neighbor. Congratulations to Patrick and his wife. I made it to the kitchen. I also need to work on my short drives by pushing the ball behind my paddle, instead of swinging and trying to brush up on the ball for top spin at the same time. I am having the same timing issue. Also, I need to work on keeping my elbows down, paddle head up and short punch shots back on my counters at the net. Do you and Aizec drive your third shot, then drop your fifth shot or immediately drop your third shot? I would be interested in hearing about what you and Aizec are working on. I try to have a purpose when I am drilling. I usually work on one or two things at a time and incorporate it into my different drills. How do you and Aizec feel about this approach when drilling? Thank you and have a wonderful day, Chris and Aizec.

  • @terogan
    @terogan Месяц назад

    Is that why the short haircuts? Brother’s wedding?

  • @joshuaandashleyreed7360
    @joshuaandashleyreed7360 Месяц назад +2

    Ethical Paddles for people with Ethics. USA made paddles for people of the USA .

  • @louhmx1136
    @louhmx1136 Месяц назад

    Is Will officially fired?

  • @jwalker87051
    @jwalker87051 Месяц назад

    Now you need to put up a huge score board blocking that neighbor and put in lights for the court just to make a statement. If we need to I’ll start a go fund me page for it.

  • @adamscott796
    @adamscott796 Месяц назад

    Quang Duong's dad is about 100 lbs overweight, LOL... Saw Quang's father at the PPA tour in Bristol and the dude is a joke. Quang's got double pickled by Staksrud. Quang's serve is overrated because Federico had no problem with that serve.

  • @nn-NeuralNetwork
    @nn-NeuralNetwork Месяц назад +7

    Wish there was a way to try different shapes without spending hundreds