As an overly polite Brit. as a hiker I leap into the bushes. As a biker I slow to a crawl saying good morning to the hiker not wishing to offend anyone 😂
Underrated comment. No wonder why some people are very angry against off road bikers, to the point of tensioning wires against trees. Plus a hikers logic might be cursed. But a dog's logic may be crystal clear: incoming menace, attack. Maybe a blind spot is not for jumping.
And this is exactly how it should be. Trails are for everyone and the first rule is to be polite and respectful. As a hiker, you should get out of the way as soon as it's safe to do so if you see cyclists or runners. As a cyclist you should slow down so that you can stop if needed when the hikers or runners suddenly do the unexpected. As a runner you can do whatever you like. We own the trails. (jk)
Horses have right of way because they can't be reasoned with or understand right of way. But other than that, hikers have right of way over bikes on all trails.
@@CWCvilleCop only if the horse has no rider. If they have a rider who understands right of way, then the hikers have right of way. The horse can obviously not be held accountable for ignoring the right of way, but the rider can be.
Horses can't be trained? What rock do you live under? They are some of the smartest animals on the farm. The thing is they are also wilful, and if the rider isn't paying attention, they could make the horse step on you by accident. Horses can also get spooked by loud or sudden sounds... like a child, not aware suddenly yelling about something and darting across the path. A spooked horse can kick, buck, or just bolt. This isn't good for squishy bags of mostly water, like humans. Giving way to things or people on the trail goes by maneuverability/size. Horses are often longer than the trail is wide, so they win by size and lack of maneuverability. Bikes should slow and make as much space for fellow hikers as possible, but they too are often longer than the width of the trail and thus are less maneuverable than a hiker. They should still pay attention and not be taking jumps on public trails unless they are looking for a lawsuit. Hikers, as the most maneuverable thing on the trail, should always be aware of what's around them. If they hear a bike or horse, they should move like they would on the road. Slower traffic towards the curbside. Now a biker may shout out a side they plan to take. If a hiker hears that. They should move accordingly. Same for Horses. The rider may see a safer part for the horse and then call out ahead the intention to use that part of the trail. If a hiker hears this from a horse, they should assume that the rider is trying to prevent the horse from slipping or rolling an ankle on a rock and move accordingly.
As an avid hiker I respect bikers and I don't want to ruin their fun. However, I cant react fast enough and move to the right off trail if Inne er heard them coming. I always use only one ear bud leaving one ear available to pick up on warnings. But if theres no direct line of sight and without a good bell a biker has no way of warning me that they are approaching. Some older hikers have diminished hearing. If its a shared trail you just have to accept the possibilty of encounters. Since the bike has the potential to do serious damage to hikers and horseback riders it is they who must bear the biggest responsibilty to take precautions.
The trail in this video is probably a mixed use trail but this segment of trail is clearly intended to be used by mountain bikes. If it was a walking trail, nobody is going to bury a log in the middle of the trail and compact and smooth the dirt until it's obviously a bike jump. The point here is pretty clear. On multi use trails, all people need to be more aware of what is going on and they need to act intelligently and respectfully. I've experienced many times, people standing in the worst places imaginable (like directly behind a blind feature of the trail where there's not enough reaction time to stop before crashing). That said, most trails have the same etiquette that includes an order of priority. Generally horses get first priority over everything, then pedestrians, then mountain bikes, then motor and e-bikes last. The problem is that trail conditions and travel speeds are often such that stopping and reacting to trail obstacles is not super easy and braking distances on mountain bikes are usually something like 8 to 10 feet assuming it's dry and level ground. Basically if a bike requires minimum 8 feet to stop in good conditions and a hiker is 6 feet behind a blind corner and the trail is less than ideal, there will absolutely be a crash. I know people on mountain bikes don't always want to slow down when they should, but if a hiker wants to use multi use trails and wants the bikers to be capable of slowing to a sufficient speed to be able to pass safely and respectfully, it is the hikers responsibility to be aware of the terrain and be visible, and if there is obviously a jump on the trail the hiker needs to understand that bikes will be approaching that jump with a lot of speed. As someone that spends a great deal of time outside all year around and camps, hunts, snow shoes, skis, hikes with and without dogs, hikes with and without friends, trail runs, bikes, and horseback rides, I am well aware of the fact that the person on foot is pretty much always in the best position to hear and see everyone coming and to announce their presence and to move out of the way, regardless of who actually has the right of way.
Almost all of the trails where I live are built for cyclists by cyclists. There wasn't really a problem until covid, and normal people discovered the outdoors.
@@notahumanbeing6892 Thats what the fire roads are for. The single track downhill trails are mostly hidden yet clearly marked. Yet people still feel the need to hike them and stand directly under blind jumps
A hiker having the right of way on a biking only trail? I feel bad for those who don't have trails that have dedicated directions. Purpose built climb trails so you can freely bomb down the other trails.
I also would add that there are often many bumps on the trail. If you're not a mountain biker and also not actually completely preoccupied with other people's hobbies instead of your own like most people (what a concept!) then you probably wouldn't even realize that it was a landing to begin with.
If you don’t know what it is I can see someone thinking “Hmm looks like this big lump on the path is impossible to rollover from behind me… I’ll just stand infrount of this because they won’t be riding through this line anyway. This really just pisses me off because these are the same people who will give so much shit to skateboarders for just wanted to have fun on the sidewalk
Most trails are not only for bikes hence the term multi use. Cyclists are responsible for staying in control and not blowing by dangerously close to other trail users. If a trail is strictly for bikes it is likely in a bike park or ski resort that takes money for letting cyclists use the trails and in that case I’d find it hard to believe a hiker would even be out there unaware.
Imagine acting like this anywhere else. Like oh I am going literally more than 10 times your speed and I expect you to get out of my way around a blind corner.. As in a car driving down a residential road and having someone in a fighter jet going 300 miles an hour expecting you to swerve out of the way when they’re coming up behind you and complaining. Oh you’re not moving out-of-the-way fast enough I can’t keep air velocity.
There are rare cases where public trails are Bike Only, and the signage is clear, but even in parks you'll encounter the occasional hiker who just wasn't aware
@@TwWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW That is stupid. I like biking, but if people want to keep biking fun, then they need to follow the rules. People shouldn't have to worry about bikes in places where they're not supposed to be
There are hikers in the trail who may not hear you being hearing impaired. Myself, I am visually impaired, I would hope I wouldn’t get run over because I didn’t see them. Pretty sure I could use the brakes on my bike while I could still see to stop quicker than someone using only their feet.
Also, narrator was clear it is a blind jump. Which means by the time you see the landing area, you are already in the air, how do you expect an airborne bike to stop mid air faster than… anything really?
If you launch yourself into the air without knowing where you're landing, you are the cause of any problem that occurs during the jump. @@LeonardoPostacchini
If you go at a rapid speed on a bike and have no view, on a track that is not dedicated in the first place, you are at fault. Like imagine the 80+ grandpa going for his weekend hike and expect him to dodge.
If this is a closed MTB-only trail, the hiker shouldn't be there. If this is a mixed-use trail, bikers ALWAYS have the responsibility to ride at a safe speed and MUST yield for all other road users.
Agreed. And if bikers use a bell, hikers will react more intelligently and be out of the way before you arrive. Deer in the headlights syndrome is from having to make a snap decision-some people can, many people can’t. Timber Bell can be toggled on or off if you don’t like constant noise.
Common sense dictates that you shouldn’t stop in the path of an oncoming rider (ski, snowboard, bike, car, bus, truck, airplane, ect) in a place where they can not see you, and thus have now way to prevent an accident.
@@SnowghostFilms Commons sense indicates that people might not see you going at unsafe speeds around blind corners, cause you know if you can't see them, they can't see you.
@@calvin2032 where I am, it's exceedingly rare that a trail is specifically designated as a cycling trail, and equally important, how do you know the guy on foot isn't walking out after wrecking his bike on an obstacle?
Never heard of a bike only trail. On multi use trails, you sometimes don't hear the bike coming till the last second due to excessive speed. I've been surprised more than once over the years, and having to jump out of the way. This despite pretty much every public land rules saying bikes have the lowest priority. The surprise can be particularly bad when it's a no bike trail so you aren't paying close attention since they aren't supposed to be there in the first place.
Sometimes they can be hard to find, but if you find a mountain biking community you could probably find some dedicated trails(unless you live on flat land)
There are several here in Arizona. Unfortunately, the only one near me had a large portion developed into housing. There was another 100 acre park being built before COVID. They had a few things done, but it wasnt anywhere near finished.
Where did you get this nonsense from. In REALITY, most purpose made trails are labeled with their intended purpose. In this example it's a MTB trail, ie a place where you don't belong. Just like you dont belong wandering around on a public street
@@fingearsring9833 And the point of this video is to make fun of hikers that hike MTB trails. Ya'll are creating issues out of nothing based on your own biases and inability to pay attention to your surroundings. If this video was about mixed trails thats one thing, but its just pointing out how ya'll treat MTB trails like mixed trails when they aren't. 🤷
@@rustinstardust2094 You can find them all over in the NE USA. NW too as far as I've heard. 🤷 There's at least 6 no-walking trails in my village alone. Even more in the local towns. Hiking trails are labeled for hiking, biking/winter sport vehicle trails labeled as such. Maybe it's a regional thing, or a local wildlife reserve funding issue. But they're the norm where I live. (Nestled between the 3 Mt ranges of NY).
Fight, flight, freeze. A lot of people just freeze in a stressful situation because as it turns it it sometimes works. It messes up with instincts of predators who expect you running or fighting. Sometimes they get so dumbfounded they leave you alone It works sometimes, not always. On a trail it might put you in danger but it's a reaction one should expect given the situation
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 Actually on the trail it keeps you out of danger imagine doing that thing where you choose to go right in the other person choose to go right when you’re in the hallway trying to get past each other and he got hoops and you both chose to go left and you got loops and you both choose to go right but instead of the other person being a person it’s like going 20 miles an hour. It’s actually way safer to just stand there.
Also you have 0.2 seconds to check which side is better to leap to, calculate the biker trajectory, dismiss a thought that this shouldn't even happen and then make the decision and execute the leap with agility of panther
Also, there's at least a 10 foot drop to one side, and at least a 10 foot rise on the other, both of which are roughly 45 degrees (though the descent has a rounding before the drop) IN THIS VIDEO! guy moved to one side of the trail, anything more than that means either CLIMBING faster than a bike can roll downhill, or throwing himself off a goddamn cliff
Imagine acting like this anywhere else. Like oh I am going literally more than 10 times your speed and I expect you to get out of my way around a blind corner.. As in a car driving down a residential road and having someone in a fighter jet going 300 miles an hour expecting you to swerve out of the way when they’re coming up behind you and complaining. Oh you’re not moving out-of-the-way fast enough I can’t keep air velocity.
As someone who builds trail for a living, the correct/safest answer is to stand uphill! When encountering horses, you'll want to be down slope, to not frighten them. ... also worth mentioning; downhill hikers yield to uphill hikes!
@@rob8670 A MTB ONLY trail (like the one in the video) prohibits hikers, thus the Spanish Inquisition would be as expected in a place where they cannot see as a hiker (again, exactly like the scenario in the video). And at least where I ride, seperate MTB, hiking and shared use trails do exist. So at least in the scenario presented in the video, the hiker shouldn’t even be there, and should still find a completely out of the way place to go to before he gets seriously injured from a biker who had no reason to expect them to be there.
Oh, we are on the same page. I say a hiker might want to yield to a rider on a MTB only trail, because physically, a hiker will lose that battle @@SnowghostFilms Cheers to you!
@@rob8670 which is exactly why bikes are supposed to yield. Same reason cars are supposed to yield for pedestrians - even if the pedestrian is not following the rules.
@@PlumpbobbThey're off in their own head, enjoying nature, maybe zoning out a bit. Which makes sense because hiking is a slow and contemplative activity that doesn't usually demand quick reactions. The fast-riding cyclist doesn't grasp that because he's in the opposite headspace - on guard, constantly reacting to things.
@@ShastaOrangeI haven't ever had this problem, as a pedestrian in a biker maintained and built trail. Sure, I'm wandering and staring at the nature, but when a cyclist screeches in the forest with their ratcheting hub, I get safely out of the way, no matter where they are coming from, no matter if I can see them. Of course, jumps are dangerous, I am not confident I would always know where to be, or even hear it coming, and the speed and inability to correct isn't ideal, but that hasn't been a problem so far. Make yourself known, make yourself visible, and try your best to get out of the way, and you'll be fine as a pedestrian, even on a primarily biking trail.
@@ShastaOrange Someone who is listening to nature will hear a cyclist, but I have encountered hikers who I can within arms reach of (announcing my presence repeatedly) and then they still have no idea I'm there. Then they freak out when they see movement out of the corner of their eye (and I'm also on foot). With the worst ones, the next person in their group isn't even aware of me. Headphones are inconsiderate to other trail users.
You guys are forgetting another aspect of this. People with mental issues like depression anxiety PTSD etc who are out there so zoned out in their stuff trying to get their head right nothing exists but their third eye
@@WallaceHumperdink I just want to remind everyone that nowhere in this short do we hear the narrator saying that it is a bike only path and in fact, the path in the video is a multi use path you can tell by how is Warren. so none of this has anything to do with bike only paths
@TwWWWWWWWWWWW its a bike trail so if your hiking on a bike trail than you should probably look out for bikers and move if you see a biker coming if its just a trail (not a bike trail) than bikers should watch out for hikers its not that complicated also both should be paying attention
Me, hiking on a 8 inch wide trail between two thickets of poison oak: "What a lovely day to not have poison oak." Biker: "This is a bike trail now, I am going to go 45 mph."
Let me fix this for you- A hiker hiking on a mix use trail… most of the time it is not a bike trail that hikers are on, it is mixed use, so it is on everyone to pay attention and be in control.
The amount of times I've heard stories of people getting ran over by mountain bikers and they just keep rolling is insane, not even bothering to call out which side there on, the trails not a road we can walk straight in the middle all we want.
Unless its marked, the hiker has the right of way 100% of the time. If it IS marked, you owe them consideration. You are on a vehicle going dangerous speeds, you are responsible for that vehicle. You would expect the same thing from a car; if you were biking outside of the bike lane during say a lefthand turn you wouldnt expect the driver behind you to run you down simply because you were in the "wrong area". Shows a lot about the cyclist mentality.
As a biker there is no way I'd go barrelling down a hiking trail, flying over blind jumps ⚠️😲😳 As a hiker I have an acute survival instinct and always listen out for some inconsiderate biker barrelling along the hiking trail and hurtling over blind jumps totally oblivious to other users of the trail. Surely if you want to ride like that, go to a dedicated closed off mtb trail and ride your heart out! 😁👍 As a considerate rider, driver, walker I give way to the most vulnerable, surely as a biker you give way to pedestrians?😮🤔
You must have missed the part of the question where he says you are a hiker on a mountain bike trail. This is like complaining trains keep interrupting your yoga session on the tracks.
@@martinschillaci The hiker disregarding trail designations? Yeah, he does. If it's a designated bike trail, it's going to be ridden as intended. Not the bikers fault you can't be bothered to read/respect signs or stay on the correct trail.
I think if it's got dedicated jumps and landings for mountain bikes, it's a bike trail. The go around trails for less experienced and unsure cyclists don't make it a hiking trail
I just want to remind everyone that nowhere in this short do we hear the narrator saying that it is a bike only path and in fact, the path in the video is a multi use path you can tell by how is Warren. so none of this has anything to do with bike only paths
He said it was a bike trail. So what every biker on that trail should really be doing is informing the ignorant hikers that they’re not allowed to be there.
There's no such thing as a bike trail unless on private land. Trails are either footpaths (pedestrian only) or bridleways (pedestrian, bike, horse - and pedestrians have right of way).
The majority of the trails I encountered were for hikers, bikers, and horseback riding (no motorized vehicles). Of the three, it's bikers that are the rudest, most obnoxious, and inconsiderate. That includes the ones riding on streets and roadways.
Yup, I was turning right at a red light, was pulled slightly (Maybe halfway) into the 10" wide breakdown lane as the "right turn only" lane was just merging in and I wanted to make room for the cars behind me to get into the "straight" lane, I was sitting there stopped at the light for about 30 seconds, then suddenly this biker starts screaming at me to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY YOU ASSHOLE YOU'RE BLOCKING THE WHOLE BREAKDOWN LANE. He then went straight from the right turn lane running the red light after passing all of the stopped cars. Cool guy.
I had a guy recently that was biking in the middle of the road at like 15 MPH when there was a bike lane and a designated, scenic biking path parallel to the road. He literally picked the worst option possible just to be annoying. And to preempt the question, he was in one of those skin tight biking outfits, so he definitely wasn't biking just for transportation.
It's a bike only trail. Horses should be on their own trails. I would never want to bike on a horse trail because they aren't built for fun on a bike. Let bikers have their own trails and you will never have to deal with them again.
@@calvin2032 The pisgah national forest is almost 1 million acres and is accessible to everyone. There are foot traffic only trails but as far as I know, no bike only trails. The rules are bikers yield to hikers and both yield to horses.
I think the point here is that when a hiker hears a bike coming that they can't see, instead of doing the logical thing of stepping off the trail (which to be fair, most in my experience do), they just turn around and stay in the middle of the trail. But definitely, if it is a true multi-use trail, bikers must yield and ride in a manner to ensure everyone's safety. The lines do get blurred though. There are places where there are hiking trails, that also have single-track trails built and maintained by bikers, clearly designed and used for that purpose. They are not 'officially bike only', so there is nothing preventing a hiker or trail runner from wandering onto them, but it should be really clear to anyone with half a brain that a trail with berms and jumps is for riding. In this case, the hikers should be more aware and understand they are the Interlopers in that situation, and not simply expect the bikers will 'know' they'll be there, because they really shouldn't be, but if they are, don't stand in front of what is clearly a man-made biking feature. But whatever common sense would dictate, you as a biker are probably gonna be the one held responsible legally if an accident happens, and also that could cause loss of trail access. The best thing is to not build blind corner jumps on anything other than official bike-only trails, and really to be safe even without other people on the trail, you don't want to be going blind into anything so fast you wouldn't be able to stop. There could be a fallen tree, or some other unexpected obstacle, or even a downed ride from a crash. You should always be in control enough to reasonably deal with the unexpected.
In a recreational trail with other possible tourists, so not in a closed off park or competition, should a biker: A) go full speed over a blind jump? B) slow down to make sure the path is clear?
This is a case where it's obviously a biker trail, still your responsibility to look out for people like it's a car's responsibility to look out for people even if they're breaking the rules. You have to be ready to stop at all times
Unless signs explicitly state the trail is for bikes only, bikers will likely be found in breach of duty of care and liable for damages so avoid hitting people with your bike if you can
@@SnowghostFilms There are no indicators for it that i can see, just saying. Most trails are multi purpose. How about bikers stay off hiking trails then? You are bothering hikers on hiking trails just as much.
@@SnowghostFilms It’s a mixed trail. Think again… If you bike you would be able to recognize that you don’t get the same trail paternal from bike only that you do mixed
@@mapu1 No. Way more. The bikers are out there looking to get an adrenaline rush. The hikers don’t go out looking to stare into the face of death. But if ur a trail rider u do
That motorized vehicle is not a bicycle. And if you are not on a dedicated MTB downhill trail, you must always be prepared that there is another person on the trail. Ah, yes, I am 80% cyclist and 20% hiker.
As a person who hikes AND bikes the same trails I'm uniquely aware of both perspectives. I put a bear bell on my bike. It rungs by itself and gives hikers a heads up well in advance of my arrival.
@@Balkonwhisky Well yes, but then he wouldn't be able to get some sick air. It is a Bike specific trail. It always sucks when bikers don't slow down on mixed trails
Bikers or runners get a friendly nod and a good day from the side lines from me. I appreciate their commitment to exercise and stay healthy, it should be encouraged more.
A car stops for a pedestrian a cyclists or a horse drawn carriage ... ALWAYS!!! no exceptions! A cyclists stops for a pedestrian... ALWAYS!!! No exceptions! The larger! faster! more dangerous! object allways has a moral duty to slow down. A cyclists screaming at pedestrians to get out of the way before blowing past them is no different than a car doing the same thing to a cyclists.
sometimes biker tell me to don't move. When you haven't fully appreciated the situation not moving is a safer option. As when you walk in the street, you saw someone coming, you started moving aside, then that person starts going in the same way because by the time it realised, you had already taken the decision. Then you realised it got it wrong so you move again, then it reacts too late again, and you end up stepping aside and stop moving. When two people react at different speed you have to take into account the speed difference.
I don't mind shared trails, I just hate when people don't respect the right of way prio. We have bikes, hikers and horses on my local trail and while bikes must yield to anyone else they always come around blind corners way too fast.
Bikes always yield. Trail right-of-way priority goes like this (highest priority to lowest): Horses & pack animals, uphill hikers, downhill hikers then bicycles. You should stop & move to the side of the trail to allow the priority traffic to pass.
first off cyclists believe every trail is a bike trail second you have no actual idea where this was filmed and its probably mixed used by entitled cyclists hate that hikers dare to use it.@@dragon_nammi
I did part of a hike on a bike only trail exactly once. It was designated one way so I walked the opposite direction so I could always see what's going on ahead of me and be out of the way. While there were some jumps, there was always a walkable option for riders that weren't interested or capable of the obstacles. It was absolutely nerve-wracking even though I only had 1 person pass me the whole time. I chose a day when it seemed highly unlikely the trail would be busy. I don't plan to do that again. On an tangential note, any riders on a mixed-use trail please call out that you're passing. I have had some hairy moments where a person just wooshed by with no warning. It's gonna give someone a heart attack. Or maybe out of startlement the person will windmill their arms and break their arm against any following speeding bicyclist, or slip to the side and start falling down the rocks, or maybe turn and step into the middle of the trail trying to target what is happening behind them and get run over or knocked down. And even if none of these worst case scenarios happen it's sometimes scary and sometimes shocking to have this person speed by you unexpectedly. I gladly move over to let someone feel like they can pass safely, a bell or a call of "PASSING!" is easy for you and much appreciated by the pedestrian.
I mean, I would move if you just yelled “biker back!” Usually I’m just enjoying my hike when some Chad comes flying down at 30 mph faster than a bobcat from behind.
Agree on a shared-use trail, but the example in the video is a bike-only trail. So besides the hiker not supposed to be there in the first place, the biker also does not expect them, thus when the hiker stops in a place where he cannot be seen (as in the video) he violates 2 rules of logic and there is almost nothing the biker can do to prevent an accident with the hiker. I also doubt that any hiking trail would feature large artificial features like berms and jump take offs and landings. And if you say a bike-only trail doesn’t exist, they most certainly do, at least where I ride. Best example is Thredbo, where there a multiple Hiking-only trails, over a dozen MTB-only trails and a few shared use trails where riders do let hikers know when they are going to pass them, then say how many there are in their group.
Thank you for being aware. It's always good to see people outside enjoying nature in their own ways, and even better when everyone is mindful of each other
That is nothing! You should see what happens when a bunch of seemingly normal people commute in big motorized cages! Suddenly they think they are entitled to vast unobstructed well-paved streets free from pedestrians and bikes and limitless public space for storage, and they will happily put anyone's life in danger to save a second!
But he is entitled to ride on a designated biking only trail and shouldn't have to worry about hikers. Same thing if a trail is designated for hiking - hikers shouldn't have bikers barreling down on them all of a sudden.
I'll say this as someone who has done a lot of hiking in my life. I know trail etiquette and get out of the way for bicyclists. But on the road they seem to think that they have the right of way and I see them riding on mountain roads in the middle of the lane like they have a death wish. And it's always the ones in spandex that get so fricken angry when you pull up behind them as if they paid to have the road for a private ride. Road Bicyclists are some of the biggest jerks I've ever seen. Mountain bikers on the otherhand have always been very courteous in my experience.
OR. or and just let me say this, option 4 is, also to yell at the biker for riding on the (bike)trail in the first place, and speeding...... also dont forget the off leash herd dog that bites at the bikers heels....
I'm a trail runner and when I see a bike coming I stand in the middle of the trail with my arms wide refusing to move. That's because my morning run is on a flat, foot traffic only trail with no biking signs at every entrance junction. It's home to a rare, fragile ecosystem that's getting destroyed by selfish mountain bikers plowing through it. They night ride too disturbing endangered nocturnal wildlife. Not all bikers are assholes, not all hikers are either. But it only takes a few.
Hikers can degrade trails, but bikes, wow. In flat areas I noticed bikers tend to leave trail and play around. Going around trees, up little hills on the side. Finally the forest understory around the trail can become bare dirt.
@@OspreyFlyer True about hikers, especially if they don't follow Leave No Trace principals and stay on designated trails. But MB tires rip through the earth and destroy anything in their path. Many MB riders have little care for the natural environment. I had one threaten me once with a rock in his hand. I laughed in his face and he went limp and rode off.
@@annwe6 MTBers are so so, but if you stand in middle of trail with arms out, you are the ahole. MTBers are earthlings and have as much right to this earth as you do. There is no reason a hiking trail can't be used by a cyclist who respects pedestrians. Amazing how somebody cycling is 'destroying the earth', cycling used to be a very environmentalist hobby, before environmentalism became a virtue signal for karens who could care less about the environment. I live off grid, solar, rainwater, firewood, cyclists riding on the trail periphery don't annoy me, karens who dont give a fk about the environment enough to change their ways but expect everybody else to, that annoys me.
@@JohnSmith-pn1vv What part of No Bikes Allowed signs at every trail entrance didn't you understand? It's been an ongoing problem on this particular trail for many years. A few selfish MTBers ignore the clear park service requests to take one of the many surrounding, alternate, bike friendly routes. They then cause immense damage to the surrounding delicate ecosystem that takes years if ever to reverse. Yes, I'll keep getting in their way, every dang time.
@@annwe6 I'm glad they break the rules and destroy your petty powertrip. Also if one of the mtbers you throw arms up at falls off he can sue you because what you are doing is illegal. Fancy that, a karen so high on her powertrip she breaks the law. Colour me shocked.
A cyclist is riding on a trail in the woods and sees a hiker ahead of them do they *A: Make some indication they are approaching from behind by saying something like "On your left!" *B: Slow down so as to safely maneuver around the hiker. *C:Go off trail a bit to avoid the hiker *D: Get off bike for a second and walk it around hiker until safely past them and then resume riding. *E: Race down the trail at full speed putting the entire responsibility for their mutual safety on the unaware hiker possibly crashing into them and then blaming them for it, then going and making a passive aggressive youtube video about it desperately seeking affirmation for your bad decisions from strangers.
He literally says a bike trail.. not mixed use trail. I use a bell on my bike on mixed use trails, but also on bike only trails because some hikers dont always know that it is a dedicated trail for mtbs. That being said, I happily yield to hikers whenever I am on mixed use trail. But on a bike trail, its pretty aggravating
Bikers got zero self awareness. You really think they know what the fk a blind landing is? Reminds me of motorcycle riders getting mad about everything Maybe its you 😮
Wait, you think a biker doesn't know what a blind landing is? It is a walker that doesn't understand that it is dangerous to be in a landing zone where the biker jumping can't see someone is in the way before they leave the jump.
@calvin2032 That is exactly my point, why blame the walker for something they don't even know about? Imagine someone lands on your island, and starts saying you need to accept Allah...
@nativeoutdoors1780 well @ me when the hikers are the ones complaining and not the other way around. The biker has more knowledge and is the danger in the situation. The hiker is not causing the danger, so it is up to the biker to make precautions. Same as motorcycle riders who are going faster, and are the danger. They need to look out for themselves and not blame drivers who are not expecting the bike. That's my point.
@@SoulAir uhhhhhh hikers constantly complain about bikers, you are literally complaining about bikers right now, unless you've never hiked and then all your responses are hot air. If you've never been on trails, many posts will tell you who yields to who, often times less controllable recreation gets yielded to, like cross country skiers yield to horses who yield to everyone
We don't really have those here in Bentonville as every trail is either mixed-use or bikes only. The only exception I can think of would be some long and steep stairs to get straight to the top of a ridge at Coler. It's called "The Rise" and is 185 steps. If you ignored the sign and rode down them anyway, you better pray karma doesn't mess you up right away, or you'll likely be in for a world of hurt.
Like a lot of other people have said, bikers gotta chill out and yield more. I totally agree that a lot of people both on trails and on sidewalks just don’t know how to react, but that’s not really the point. Bikes yield to Hikers, Both yield to people with Strollers, and Everyone yields to Horses because you never really know what a horse is going to do
Maybe it's just me. When I ride, I assume I should be the one to give right-of-way to hikers, horses, etc... The hiker clearly was an idiot in this scenario. But the rider is a self-important jackass.
I don't go hiking expecting to be mown down by a crazy cyclist. I wander along looking at Mother Nature's gifts and listening to the sounds of the countryside. I wander from side to side to find the easiest route. If I meet another hiker we exchange greetings or maybe have a short conversation in the middle of the trail. My response to the very rare call "bike!" is "hiker!". If I'm with a friend we walk side by side. Get used to it.
have you perharps considered that a speeding bike does not give enough time to react by sound alone? should probably install and use a horn or bell to warn people soon enough
He said it was a bike trail. So what every biker on that trail should really be doing is informing the ignorant hikers that they’re not allowed to be there.
@@tubecated_development i just go where ever, it's nature. when a hiking trail is ruined by bike tires I'll take the high road, which is usually a biking trail.
@@tubecated_development "Bike" trails are almost always actually mixed use trails open to the public--hence why we often see the hiker/biker encounter that this video talks about. There's no rule against hikers. Too many bikers just don't ride cautiously enough and think yelling "on your left" or ringing their bell at the last minute automatically gives them clearance to pass.
I swear 😂 I've gotten yelled at by grumpy old women, and when I use my bell and say on your left, then somehow I am the worst human on the planet. 🤦♂️ This is why I like downhill parks.
You're making the incorrect assumption that a majority of old women can 1) hear you 2) realize that "on your left" means they have to go to the right 3) react before you pass them.
To be fair, my fight/flight/freeze response kicks in. And I have the tendency to freeze. I've been run over by a bike before. And on a trail with plenty of space.
D.) look at you funny because you’re on a bike only trail and the hiker has no business hiking that trail in the first place but they can’t read signs and now somehow this is your problem
This is where you need to make the distinction between footpaths and bike trails. A footpath is typically just one path that doesn't cut up the forest like a cobweb of unavoidable networks. Footpaths are also typically used by bikers where hikers still have to get out of the way. Except if you're walking through the woods not on a particular trail at least in the uk you'll end up having to cut across ugly bike trails that are all over every major woodland south of Scotland that isnt a tree farm. Hikers see bikes on trails the same way you see cars on the road.
The number of people arguing about hikers on bike trails is making me wonder, do American bike and hiking trails not ever intersect? Because it's very common here in the UK that a footpath and a bike path will meet. You might see a sign. Or you might not, either because there isn't one or because its hidden in a bush. Just gotta be sensible, no matter if you're riding or on foot. Hitting a deer (or worse, another rider who came off in that blind landing zone) isn't any more fun either.
oh no, they ALWAYS are mixed use unless you're at some bougie closed-track thing (which this is clearly not) it's just the kinds of bikers who're making those comments (and indeed this video) are the kind who drive their single-occupant BMW SUVs to the park to ride, and take up three parking spaces. Bicyclists like this shitheel think they have ultimate right-of-way and that it's the pedestrians' fault for moving to the side of the trail but not throwing themselves into a ditch or speed-climbing 10 feet up a 45 degree muddy incline in the one second they had to react to his bell and call (assuming that was even audible seeing as people tend to be listening to music while on trails anyway, and your calls and bells are a lot quieter than you think they are out there) Furthermore, the guy wasn't in the middle of the trail, instead he literally moved to the side and there was ample space to go around him, but then bicycle douchebag wouldn't have been able to take that jump so he decided to ignore his object permanence and assume the person he could see two seconds prior had magically teleported to safety instead of simply not being visible over the blind jump that HE knew about but that WASN'T a blind jump to the pedestrian when he went by on account of him moving at a more sensible speed towards that turn The guy making this video is literally the kind of person everyone INCLUDING OTHER BICYCLISTS complain about sharing their trails and streets with, because they combine pedestrian and automobile privilege into an ego large enough to crush rhode island
Hikers have the right of way, bikers need to pay more attention on multi-use trails Fortunately hikers do pay attention in my area and usually let bikers go first
Actually they will dart back and forth so you can't tell which way they are going to go making it impossible to steer around them. In other words it's hard to miss a moving target.
Deer in headlights. My guess is they're trying to process how fast the biker is going to then make a decision on how fast and where they need to get off the trail, but by the time they've made a decision it's too late.
I would probably say the first thing is to not get lost. I've hiked a lot, and from what I've know, if you're hiking on an MTB trail to get to the next campsite you are probably going the wrong way.
My issue is them moving over after I've already gotten over. Often moving into my path of travel. Then they'll wait for me to change my path of travel again. It seems like some people will force you to accept their kind deed. One of my favorites is waiting at a cross walk and having a car wave you through while everyone else is flying past. Like just because you stopped doesn't mean anything.
The times when I was the B guy was when I was in deep thought and the biker completely surprised me. Bikers don't realize how fast they can seem to chill hikers
I ride at a bike park that has walking tracks for hikers and picnic areas for the general public and it amazes me how many people think that the clearly labeled bike trails are hiking tracks.
Then they aren't clearly labeled! I, a person that rides bikes daily, while walking in the woods encountered a pole with different coloured routes & thought;"that is a weird route symbol, but let's follow the black double dot & one triangle trail, why not?" Turns out that that is a stylised person on a bicycle. I'd never have guessed that. By the by, yes we did step aside, cheered the people going uphill on & got of that path as soon as possible when we found another route. Even then, if a mtb-er had decided to try to run me trough, THEY would have been in the wrong. And don't even get me started about the arseholes that think their pr is more important than my or my children's safety on shared paths. SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!
It's amazing how the instant a trail is made to accommodate bikes bikers think it's one of those rare, usually pay-gated bike only trails also, assuming it's NOT pay-gated, the head of the trail might be well marked, but if someone's on a walking trail that intersects with a bike trail it's oftentimes not well-marked (or marked at all) that it's one of the extremely rare "bike only" trails Also-also, what's someone supposed to do if their bike breaks on the trail, hm? fucking teleport!? Oh, and while we're at it, if someone can't hear your call-out clearly (being hard-of-hearing, wearing headphones, you were just too fucking quiet, whatever) or otherwise can't tell which direction you called out from or what side of the trail you're coming in on, they're GOING to freeze, because then YOU are the one variable and ideally can avoid an impact
@@barneschitown hiking only trails are boring lol. Edit: I didn't check the video this was under or check the comments before replying, this is my answer. Bikes can't kill anyone else on the road other than fellow cyclists. There's stupid cyclists and I also condemn them, they make the road more dangerous for us as well. Try counting the amount of times you see a cyclist not doing a dumb thing, and then again when You're in another city. We're not all morons.
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Hikers are mesmerised by the incoming freehub sound..
A freehub is the type of axle cassettes go on right?
Man they're corny and annoying asf silent because I'm batman 😂
@@tyler7992yup
Hiker here , can confirm .
@@tyler7992correct
As an overly polite Brit. as a hiker I leap into the bushes. As a biker I slow to a crawl saying good morning to the hiker not wishing to offend anyone 😂
As a grumpy American I do the same thing.
As a stoic german i pet their dogs 😉
Underrated comment. No wonder why some people are very angry against off road bikers, to the point of tensioning wires against trees.
Plus a hikers logic might be cursed. But a dog's logic may be crystal clear: incoming menace, attack. Maybe a blind spot is not for jumping.
And this is exactly how it should be. Trails are for everyone and the first rule is to be polite and respectful. As a hiker, you should get out of the way as soon as it's safe to do so if you see cyclists or runners. As a cyclist you should slow down so that you can stop if needed when the hikers or runners suddenly do the unexpected. As a runner you can do whatever you like. We own the trails. (jk)
As an apologetic Canadian I slow down, smile, say hi and apologize for the inconvenience I was to them.
Well, any trail not signed explicitly as something else is a hiking trail, where bikes, horses etc. are allowed, but don’t have priority?
Horses have right of way because they can't be reasoned with or understand right of way. But other than that, hikers have right of way over bikes on all trails.
@@CWCvilleCop horses can't be trained, heard.
Horses are bigger and will stomp your ass, that's why they have the right of way. Thought that was obvious enough.
@@CWCvilleCop only if the horse has no rider. If they have a rider who understands right of way, then the hikers have right of way. The horse can obviously not be held accountable for ignoring the right of way, but the rider can be.
Horses can't be trained? What rock do you live under? They are some of the smartest animals on the farm. The thing is they are also wilful, and if the rider isn't paying attention, they could make the horse step on you by accident. Horses can also get spooked by loud or sudden sounds... like a child, not aware suddenly yelling about something and darting across the path. A spooked horse can kick, buck, or just bolt. This isn't good for squishy bags of mostly water, like humans.
Giving way to things or people on the trail goes by maneuverability/size. Horses are often longer than the trail is wide, so they win by size and lack of maneuverability. Bikes should slow and make as much space for fellow hikers as possible, but they too are often longer than the width of the trail and thus are less maneuverable than a hiker. They should still pay attention and not be taking jumps on public trails unless they are looking for a lawsuit. Hikers, as the most maneuverable thing on the trail, should always be aware of what's around them. If they hear a bike or horse, they should move like they would on the road. Slower traffic towards the curbside. Now a biker may shout out a side they plan to take. If a hiker hears that. They should move accordingly. Same for Horses. The rider may see a safer part for the horse and then call out ahead the intention to use that part of the trail. If a hiker hears this from a horse, they should assume that the rider is trying to prevent the horse from slipping or rolling an ankle on a rock and move accordingly.
As an avid hiker I respect bikers and I don't want to ruin their fun. However, I cant react fast enough and move to the right off trail if Inne er heard them coming. I always use only one ear bud leaving one ear available to pick up on warnings. But if theres no direct line of sight and without a good bell a biker has no way of warning me that they are approaching. Some older hikers have diminished hearing. If its a shared trail you just have to accept the possibilty of encounters. Since the bike has the potential to do serious damage to hikers and horseback riders it is they who must bear the biggest responsibilty to take precautions.
*be a bicyclist
*be on a trail
*this is a bike trail now
Thank you. It's a hiking trail.
The trail in this video is probably a mixed use trail but this segment of trail is clearly intended to be used by mountain bikes. If it was a walking trail, nobody is going to bury a log in the middle of the trail and compact and smooth the dirt until it's obviously a bike jump. The point here is pretty clear. On multi use trails, all people need to be more aware of what is going on and they need to act intelligently and respectfully. I've experienced many times, people standing in the worst places imaginable (like directly behind a blind feature of the trail where there's not enough reaction time to stop before crashing). That said, most trails have the same etiquette that includes an order of priority. Generally horses get first priority over everything, then pedestrians, then mountain bikes, then motor and e-bikes last. The problem is that trail conditions and travel speeds are often such that stopping and reacting to trail obstacles is not super easy and braking distances on mountain bikes are usually something like 8 to 10 feet assuming it's dry and level ground. Basically if a bike requires minimum 8 feet to stop in good conditions and a hiker is 6 feet behind a blind corner and the trail is less than ideal, there will absolutely be a crash. I know people on mountain bikes don't always want to slow down when they should, but if a hiker wants to use multi use trails and wants the bikers to be capable of slowing to a sufficient speed to be able to pass safely and respectfully, it is the hikers responsibility to be aware of the terrain and be visible, and if there is obviously a jump on the trail the hiker needs to understand that bikes will be approaching that jump with a lot of speed. As someone that spends a great deal of time outside all year around and camps, hunts, snow shoes, skis, hikes with and without dogs, hikes with and without friends, trail runs, bikes, and horseback rides, I am well aware of the fact that the person on foot is pretty much always in the best position to hear and see everyone coming and to announce their presence and to move out of the way, regardless of who actually has the right of way.
Almost all of the trails where I live are built for cyclists by cyclists. There wasn't really a problem until covid, and normal people discovered the outdoors.
@@rexor-the-raider6352in your case it sounds like yall just need some hiking trails set up in the area lmao
@@notahumanbeing6892 Thats what the fire roads are for. The single track downhill trails are mostly hidden yet clearly marked. Yet people still feel the need to hike them and stand directly under blind jumps
MTBer here: actually the joker has the right if way. The biker had a responsibility to slow down before anything blind. Thats why I ride park.
A hiker having the right of way on a biking only trail? I feel bad for those who don't have trails that have dedicated directions. Purpose built climb trails so you can freely bomb down the other trails.
Hiker pretending to be a MTB rider
Really doubt you ride anything. "A hiker on bike trails" If it's mixed use, sure. If it's designated bike only, nope.
Lifelong hard tail rider,: Or, u follow the laws of the jungle cause there's no cameras in the woods
He specifically said it’s a bike trail … did you miss that genius ?
I also would add that there are often many bumps on the trail. If you're not a mountain biker and also not actually completely preoccupied with other people's hobbies instead of your own like most people (what a concept!) then you probably wouldn't even realize that it was a landing to begin with.
If you don’t know what it is I can see someone thinking
“Hmm looks like this big lump on the path is impossible to rollover from behind me…
I’ll just stand infrount of this because they won’t be riding through this line anyway.
This really just pisses me off because these are the same people who will give so much shit to skateboarders for just wanted to have fun on the sidewalk
Most trails are not only for bikes hence the term multi use. Cyclists are responsible for staying in control and not blowing by dangerously close to other trail users.
If a trail is strictly for bikes it is likely in a bike park or ski resort that takes money for letting cyclists use the trails and in that case I’d find it hard to believe a hiker would even be out there unaware.
Imagine acting like this anywhere else. Like oh I am going literally more than 10 times your speed and I expect you to get out of my way around a blind corner..
As in a car driving down a residential road and having someone in a fighter jet going 300 miles an hour expecting you to swerve out of the way when they’re coming up behind you and complaining. Oh you’re not moving out-of-the-way fast enough I can’t keep air velocity.
There are rare cases where public trails are Bike Only, and the signage is clear, but even in parks you'll encounter the occasional hiker who just wasn't aware
@@TwWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Well would you expect a car to be in the sky?
@@alaskansoybean6297 I’ve seen bikers rare down signage saying. “No bikes allowed.”
I feel that that is just as stupid.
But they did it on purpose
@@TwWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW That is stupid. I like biking, but if people want to keep biking fun, then they need to follow the rules. People shouldn't have to worry about bikes in places where they're not supposed to be
Depends what he is planning on doing with that big stick I guess. Simple spoke jab or the full joust?
😂😂😂
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Through the wheel spokes bro. Biker can test that helmet, eat some tree.
There are hikers in the trail who may not hear you being hearing impaired. Myself, I am visually impaired, I would hope I wouldn’t get run over because I didn’t see them. Pretty sure I could use the brakes on my bike while I could still see to stop quicker than someone using only their feet.
So… what would you be doing on a trail where pedestrians are not allowed to?
Also, narrator was clear it is a blind jump. Which means by the time you see the landing area, you are already in the air, how do you expect an airborne bike to stop mid air faster than… anything really?
You're claiming to be able to brake in mid-air
If you launch yourself into the air without knowing where you're landing, you are the cause of any problem that occurs during the jump. @@LeonardoPostacchini
@@LeonardoPostacchini Don’t worry op. I will take care of the idiots.
If u no see around corner.
Going fast around corner is bad.
If you go at a rapid speed on a bike and have no view, on a track that is not dedicated in the first place, you are at fault. Like imagine the 80+ grandpa going for his weekend hike and expect him to dodge.
On a BIKE trail. Are you deaf?
Yea, why the fuck is there a blind jump?
@@jesuschrist9677Usually it's a designated MTB single track trail in that case, and your not suppose to walk on those.
wtf is Joe Biden doing hiking? He can't even climb a flight of stairs.
"Blind jump landing" admits same
If this is a closed MTB-only trail, the hiker shouldn't be there. If this is a mixed-use trail, bikers ALWAYS have the responsibility to ride at a safe speed and MUST yield for all other road users.
Agreed. And if bikers use a bell, hikers will react more intelligently and be out of the way before you arrive. Deer in the headlights syndrome is from having to make a snap decision-some people can, many people can’t. Timber Bell can be toggled on or off if you don’t like constant noise.
not doin allat gtfo the way 😂😂
There is no such this as a bike only trail just mixed use trails
no @@TheKarabinerIsReal
@@TheKarabinerIsRealHow about a hiking stick in your spokes
A hiker wouldn't know a jump from a landing they might never have even owned a bike
World doesn't revolve around cyclists or hikers
That's why there are dedicated trails for each discipline. Swimmers aren't doing laps in a diving pool.
Common sense dictates that you shouldn’t stop in the path of an oncoming rider (ski, snowboard, bike, car, bus, truck, airplane, ect) in a place where they can not see you, and thus have now way to prevent an accident.
@@SnowghostFilms Commons sense indicates that people might not see you going at unsafe speeds around blind corners, cause you know if you can't see them, they can't see you.
@@SnowghostFilms common sense isn't that common 😅so u get people doing stuff that go against everyone elses common sence 🤔😆🤷🏻♂️
@@calvin2032 where I am, it's exceedingly rare that a trail is specifically designated as a cycling trail, and equally important, how do you know the guy on foot isn't walking out after wrecking his bike on an obstacle?
Never heard of a bike only trail. On multi use trails, you sometimes don't hear the bike coming till the last second due to excessive speed. I've been surprised more than once over the years, and having to jump out of the way. This despite pretty much every public land rules saying bikes have the lowest priority. The surprise can be particularly bad when it's a no bike trail so you aren't paying close attention since they aren't supposed to be there in the first place.
Sometimes they can be hard to find, but if you find a mountain biking community you could probably find some dedicated trails(unless you live on flat land)
There are several here in Arizona. Unfortunately, the only one near me had a large portion developed into housing. There was another 100 acre park being built before COVID. They had a few things done, but it wasnt anywhere near finished.
Ever heard of fucking whistler look it up
@@limeonlyskittles Chill my homie, some just don't understand the feeling of getting some Sick Air
Can't hear it coming due to excess speed? My dude they are going 15mph at best, not 1500
The hell
NOTE: MOST trails are #1 hiking trails. then they are biking trails.
It's the bikers responsability to make sure they aren't gonna hurt anyone.
Where did you get this nonsense from. In REALITY, most purpose made trails are labeled with their intended purpose. In this example it's a MTB trail, ie a place where you don't belong. Just like you dont belong wandering around on a public street
@daniel thats not his point, he is saying that in almost all other trail systems the hikers have right away as the trail system is mixed.
@@fingearsring9833 And the point of this video is to make fun of hikers that hike MTB trails. Ya'll are creating issues out of nothing based on your own biases and inability to pay attention to your surroundings. If this video was about mixed trails thats one thing, but its just pointing out how ya'll treat MTB trails like mixed trails when they aren't. 🤷
@@DanielWilczek-nu7ff I've honestly never seen a trail marked specifically for MTB. At best I've seen "mixed use" trails - never just for bikes.
@@rustinstardust2094 You can find them all over in the NE USA. NW too as far as I've heard. 🤷 There's at least 6 no-walking trails in my village alone. Even more in the local towns. Hiking trails are labeled for hiking, biking/winter sport vehicle trails labeled as such. Maybe it's a regional thing, or a local wildlife reserve funding issue. But they're the norm where I live. (Nestled between the 3 Mt ranges of NY).
To be fair, those were hiking trails before they were biking trails…
It’s the unwritten assumption that everything is all of a sudden a ‘bike trail’
If it's explicitly a bike trail with bike trail signage then idk what to tell you
@@tubecated_development well we all know that about your mom’s lady bits. Of wait, that’s a train track.
@@dragon_nammi means some dork put a stupid sign on the hiking trail.
@jo_nathan_nation6544 Proceed at your own risk then. I'll see you on a lawyer's reaction video or smthn
The fight or flight instinct kicks in. The hiker is actually terrorised into one of these 2 modes. WTF do you expect???
Fight, flight, freeze. A lot of people just freeze in a stressful situation because as it turns it it sometimes works. It messes up with instincts of predators who expect you running or fighting. Sometimes they get so dumbfounded they leave you alone
It works sometimes, not always. On a trail it might put you in danger but it's a reaction one should expect given the situation
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 Actually on the trail it keeps you out of danger imagine doing that thing where you choose to go right in the other person choose to go right when you’re in the hallway trying to get past each other and he got hoops and you both chose to go left and you got loops and you both choose to go right but instead of the other person being a person it’s like going 20 miles an hour. It’s actually way safer to just stand there.
Also you have 0.2 seconds to check which side is better to leap to, calculate the biker trajectory, dismiss a thought that this shouldn't even happen and then make the decision and execute the leap with agility of panther
Also, there's at least a 10 foot drop to one side, and at least a 10 foot rise on the other, both of which are roughly 45 degrees (though the descent has a rounding before the drop) IN THIS VIDEO! guy moved to one side of the trail, anything more than that means either CLIMBING faster than a bike can roll downhill, or throwing himself off a goddamn cliff
Imagine acting like this anywhere else. Like oh I am going literally more than 10 times your speed and I expect you to get out of my way around a blind corner..
As in a car driving down a residential road and having someone in a fighter jet going 300 miles an hour expecting you to swerve out of the way when they’re coming up behind you and complaining. Oh you’re not moving out-of-the-way fast enough I can’t keep air velocity.
As someone who builds trail for a living, the correct/safest answer is to stand uphill! When encountering horses, you'll want to be down slope, to not frighten them. ... also worth mentioning; downhill hikers yield to uphill hikes!
You want the biker to be more aware of what they are doing, rather than blaming the people they hit.
Then you should also know that, everyone yields to horses and bikers yield to hikers. Rules of the trail. But, u knew that.
Obviously, you weren't building mixed use trails for hikers who have mobility, vision, or hearing impairment.
You forgot the gender neutral hikers@@professorlilith5933
Bikers must yield to hikers.
I wouldn’t say so on MTB trails
I wouldn't say so in physics
@@rob8670 A MTB ONLY trail (like the one in the video) prohibits hikers, thus the Spanish Inquisition would be as expected in a place where they cannot see as a hiker (again, exactly like the scenario in the video). And at least where I ride, seperate MTB, hiking and shared use trails do exist. So at least in the scenario presented in the video, the hiker shouldn’t even be there, and should still find a completely out of the way place to go to before he gets seriously injured from a biker who had no reason to expect them to be there.
Oh, we are on the same page. I say a hiker might want to yield to a rider on a MTB only trail, because physically, a hiker will lose that battle @@SnowghostFilms Cheers to you!
@@rob8670 which is exactly why bikes are supposed to yield. Same reason cars are supposed to yield for pedestrians - even if the pedestrian is not following the rules.
You're giving them zero time to react, and then blaming them for panicking in that situation.
exactly but why is it so damn difficult to get out of the way in this situation
@@PlumpbobbThey're off in their own head, enjoying nature, maybe zoning out a bit. Which makes sense because hiking is a slow and contemplative activity that doesn't usually demand quick reactions. The fast-riding cyclist doesn't grasp that because he's in the opposite headspace - on guard, constantly reacting to things.
@@ShastaOrangeI haven't ever had this problem, as a pedestrian in a biker maintained and built trail. Sure, I'm wandering and staring at the nature, but when a cyclist screeches in the forest with their ratcheting hub, I get safely out of the way, no matter where they are coming from, no matter if I can see them.
Of course, jumps are dangerous, I am not confident I would always know where to be, or even hear it coming, and the speed and inability to correct isn't ideal, but that hasn't been a problem so far.
Make yourself known, make yourself visible, and try your best to get out of the way, and you'll be fine as a pedestrian, even on a primarily biking trail.
@@ShastaOrange Someone who is listening to nature will hear a cyclist, but I have encountered hikers who I can within arms reach of (announcing my presence repeatedly) and then they still have no idea I'm there. Then they freak out when they see movement out of the corner of their eye (and I'm also on foot). With the worst ones, the next person in their group isn't even aware of me.
Headphones are inconsiderate to other trail users.
You guys are forgetting another aspect of this. People with mental issues like depression anxiety PTSD etc who are out there so zoned out in their stuff trying to get their head right nothing exists but their third eye
And a cyclist riding on wilderness trails is still convinced they can do no wrong.
RIGHT!
By the time they say on your left they are 5 ft from you
@@WallaceHumperdink I just want to remind everyone that nowhere in this short do we hear the narrator saying that it is a bike only path and in fact, the path in the video is a multi use path you can tell by how is Warren. so none of this has anything to do with bike only paths
@TwWWWWWWWWWWW its a bike trail so if your hiking on a bike trail than you should probably look out for bikers and move if you see a biker coming if its just a trail (not a bike trail) than bikers should watch out for hikers its not that complicated also both should be paying attention
Me, hiking on a 8 inch wide trail between two thickets of poison oak: "What a lovely day to not have poison oak."
Biker: "This is a bike trail now, I am going to go 45 mph."
Let me fix this for you- A hiker hiking on a mix use trail… most of the time it is not a bike trail that hikers are on, it is mixed use, so it is on everyone to pay attention and be in control.
The amount of times I've heard stories of people getting ran over by mountain bikers and they just keep rolling is insane, not even bothering to call out which side there on, the trails not a road we can walk straight in the middle all we want.
Unless its marked, the hiker has the right of way 100% of the time. If it IS marked, you owe them consideration. You are on a vehicle going dangerous speeds, you are responsible for that vehicle. You would expect the same thing from a car; if you were biking outside of the bike lane during say a lefthand turn you wouldnt expect the driver behind you to run you down simply because you were in the "wrong area". Shows a lot about the cyclist mentality.
Joke's on the biker, he must now fight the hiker's two Geodudes and one Graveler.
He looks like the Hiker from Pokémon, I fully expected him to pull a Geodude from his pocket 🪨
Biker made eye contact!!
As a biker there is no way I'd go barrelling down a hiking trail, flying over blind jumps ⚠️😲😳
As a hiker I have an acute survival instinct and always listen out for some inconsiderate biker barrelling along the hiking trail and hurtling over blind jumps totally oblivious to other users of the trail.
Surely if you want to ride like that, go to a dedicated closed off mtb trail and ride your heart out! 😁👍
As a considerate rider, driver, walker I give way to the most vulnerable, surely as a biker you give way to pedestrians?😮🤔
You must have missed the part of the question where he says you are a hiker on a mountain bike trail. This is like complaining trains keep interrupting your yoga session on the tracks.
"A hiker on bike trails" How many of you paid attention to the video?
@@Hakuna_Frittata I may have missed that slight detail....😊
That is why no1 will remember ur name.
@@martinschillaci The hiker disregarding trail designations? Yeah, he does. If it's a designated bike trail, it's going to be ridden as intended. Not the bikers fault you can't be bothered to read/respect signs or stay on the correct trail.
Biker Logic: calling every hiking trail a "biker trail"
this is fucking obviously a bike trail
I think if it's got dedicated jumps and landings for mountain bikes, it's a bike trail. The go around trails for less experienced and unsure cyclists don't make it a hiking trail
Nope. All 'bike trails' were hiking trails 1st.@@dm9910
Yes, lots of hiking trails have jumps for those prevalent freestyle walkers
I just want to remind everyone that nowhere in this short do we hear the narrator saying that it is a bike only path and in fact, the path in the video is a multi use path you can tell by how is Warren. so none of this has anything to do with bike only paths
The hiker has right of way, bicyclist is obligated to slow down and pass safely when able.
He said it was a bike trail. So what every biker on that trail should really be doing is informing the ignorant hikers that they’re not allowed to be there.
@@tubecated_development all publicly owned “bike trails” are mixed use. Seeing as they are publicly owned, a pedestrian has lawful access.
There's no such thing as a bike trail unless on private land. Trails are either footpaths (pedestrian only) or bridleways (pedestrian, bike, horse - and pedestrians have right of way).
@@d.s.151 depends what country you are in.
@@tubecated_developmentNo it doesn't actually
The majority of the trails I encountered were for hikers, bikers, and horseback riding (no motorized vehicles). Of the three, it's bikers that are the rudest, most obnoxious, and inconsiderate. That includes the ones riding on streets and roadways.
Yup, I was turning right at a red light, was pulled slightly (Maybe halfway) into the 10" wide breakdown lane as the "right turn only" lane was just merging in and I wanted to make room for the cars behind me to get into the "straight" lane, I was sitting there stopped at the light for about 30 seconds, then suddenly this biker starts screaming at me to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY YOU ASSHOLE YOU'RE BLOCKING THE WHOLE BREAKDOWN LANE. He then went straight from the right turn lane running the red light after passing all of the stopped cars. Cool guy.
I had a guy recently that was biking in the middle of the road at like 15 MPH when there was a bike lane and a designated, scenic biking path parallel to the road. He literally picked the worst option possible just to be annoying.
And to preempt the question, he was in one of those skin tight biking outfits, so he definitely wasn't biking just for transportation.
Let’s be clear about the rules, bikers yield to hikers and both yield to horses. Period.
It's a bike only trail. Horses should be on their own trails. I would never want to bike on a horse trail because they aren't built for fun on a bike. Let bikers have their own trails and you will never have to deal with them again.
@@calvin2032
The pisgah national forest is almost 1 million acres and is accessible to everyone. There are foot traffic only trails but as far as I know, no bike only trails. The rules are bikers yield to hikers and both yield to horses.
I think the point here is that when a hiker hears a bike coming that they can't see, instead of doing the logical thing of stepping off the trail (which to be fair, most in my experience do), they just turn around and stay in the middle of the trail. But definitely, if it is a true multi-use trail, bikers must yield and ride in a manner to ensure everyone's safety. The lines do get blurred though. There are places where there are hiking trails, that also have single-track trails built and maintained by bikers, clearly designed and used for that purpose. They are not 'officially bike only', so there is nothing preventing a hiker or trail runner from wandering onto them, but it should be really clear to anyone with half a brain that a trail with berms and jumps is for riding. In this case, the hikers should be more aware and understand they are the Interlopers in that situation, and not simply expect the bikers will 'know' they'll be there, because they really shouldn't be, but if they are, don't stand in front of what is clearly a man-made biking feature. But whatever common sense would dictate, you as a biker are probably gonna be the one held responsible legally if an accident happens, and also that could cause loss of trail access. The best thing is to not build blind corner jumps on anything other than official bike-only trails, and really to be safe even without other people on the trail, you don't want to be going blind into anything so fast you wouldn't be able to stop. There could be a fallen tree, or some other unexpected obstacle, or even a downed ride from a crash. You should always be in control enough to reasonably deal with the unexpected.
@@calvin2032cool idea, now use your logic and taxes to fix it.
@@shawnaustin6435
So by your logic, if a horse is running down the trail the biker should do the same? Cool story bro. Thank you and have a nice day.
In a recreational trail with other possible tourists, so not in a closed off park or competition, should a biker:
A) go full speed over a blind jump?
B) slow down to make sure the path is clear?
Pedestrians have the right of way 93% of the time
But not on a bike only trail with jumps etc - and even there you find hikers with their dogs.
It's a miracle they don't use freeways for hiking
Not on a designated bike trail
@@dystopiaisutopiayes
@@turinturambar8622 yes I'm correct
@@dystopiaisutopia correct
This is a case where it's obviously a biker trail, still your responsibility to look out for people like it's a car's responsibility to look out for people even if they're breaking the rules. You have to be ready to stop at all times
But, even then, sometimes stopping in time isn't possible. Everyone should be aware
Well, don’t bike on my hiking trail 😂
Unless signs explicitly state the trail is for bikes only, bikers will likely be found in breach of duty of care and liable for damages so avoid hitting people with your bike if you can
The Who Want To Be A Millionaire music and animation fits perfectly with this video!
D. Don't build a blind landing on a mixed trail?
@@SnowghostFilms There are no indicators for it that i can see, just saying. Most trails are multi purpose.
How about bikers stay off hiking trails then? You are bothering hikers on hiking trails just as much.
@@SnowghostFilms It’s a mixed trail.
Think again…
If you bike you would be able to recognize that you don’t get the same trail paternal from bike only that you do mixed
@@mapu1 No. Way more.
The bikers are out there looking to get an adrenaline rush. The hikers don’t go out looking to stare into the face of death.
But if ur a trail rider u do
@@TwWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW In the video?
In the Ozarks, at least, the topography usually determines where the trail has to go. I don't know, or care, about flat land. Why even go there?
That motorized vehicle is not a bicycle. And if you are not on a dedicated MTB downhill trail, you must always be prepared that there is another person on the trail.
Ah, yes, I am 80% cyclist and 20% hiker.
The big flaw in this scenario is that you have the hiker actually notice the mountain biker in the first place.
That’s the point dumb dumb.
If the hiker dus not notice all the blame gos to the biker. But you don’t like that.
Do you?
To be fair, most of the time we don't see you coming, you just fly around a blind curve going 35MPH.
As a person who hikes AND bikes the same trails I'm uniquely aware of both perspectives. I put a bear bell on my bike. It rungs by itself and gives hikers a heads up well in advance of my arrival.
Option 4 would be for the Cyclist just to reduce the Speed and pass the Hiker carefully😅
A hiker he is unable to see?
@@alaskansoybean6297 When he goes slower he has more Time to Look and increase the Chance to see him😅
Simple.
@@Balkonwhisky Well yes, but then he wouldn't be able to get some sick air. It is a Bike specific trail. It always sucks when bikers don't slow down on mixed trails
@@alaskansoybean6297 "Sick Air" doesnt sound healthy. 😅🐖💨
@@Balkonwhisky Maybe not, but it sure is fun!(safely of course)
Bikers or runners get a friendly nod and a good day from the side lines from me. I appreciate their commitment to exercise and stay healthy, it should be encouraged more.
A car stops for a pedestrian a cyclists or a horse drawn carriage ... ALWAYS!!! no exceptions!
A cyclists stops for a pedestrian... ALWAYS!!! No exceptions!
The larger! faster! more dangerous! object allways has a moral duty to slow down.
A cyclists screaming at pedestrians to get out of the way before blowing past them is no different than a car doing the same thing to a cyclists.
sometimes biker tell me to don't move. When you haven't fully appreciated the situation not moving is a safer option.
As when you walk in the street, you saw someone coming, you started moving aside, then that person starts going in the same way because by the time it realised, you had already taken the decision. Then you realised it got it wrong so you move again, then it reacts too late again, and you end up stepping aside and stop moving.
When two people react at different speed you have to take into account the speed difference.
You let the intrusive thoughts win. Stand off to the side, then weave your walking stick into their spokes as they pass.
This is the human equivalent of the deer in headlights.
d: hiker doesn't hear the biker bombing around a blind corner and shrieks and flails herself into the brambles. *maybe based on experience*
This is why I do everything to avoid shared trails.
As a hiker, same
Cool, Just stay off the damn roads
I don't mind shared trails, I just hate when people don't respect the right of way prio.
We have bikes, hikers and horses on my local trail and while bikes must yield to anyone else they always come around blind corners way too fast.
@@TomTomXIV The road doesn't belong to you
@@LeSpeederus like trails don't belong to bicyclist?
Bikes always yield. Trail right-of-way priority goes like this (highest priority to lowest): Horses & pack animals, uphill hikers, downhill hikers then bicycles. You should stop & move to the side of the trail to allow the priority traffic to pass.
based on where you are dh hikers yeild to uphill bikers
I don't get these comments. It was explicitly a bike trail in the video. I've seen these at a few state parks.
@@dragon_nammi We know that in this video it is a bike only trail. Read the room and understand that we are talking about mixed trails.
@fingearsring9833 why. It's irrelevant
first off cyclists believe every trail is a bike trail second you have no actual idea where this was filmed and its probably mixed used by entitled cyclists hate that hikers dare to use it.@@dragon_nammi
I did part of a hike on a bike only trail exactly once. It was designated one way so I walked the opposite direction so I could always see what's going on ahead of me and be out of the way. While there were some jumps, there was always a walkable option for riders that weren't interested or capable of the obstacles. It was absolutely nerve-wracking even though I only had 1 person pass me the whole time. I chose a day when it seemed highly unlikely the trail would be busy. I don't plan to do that again.
On an tangential note, any riders on a mixed-use trail please call out that you're passing. I have had some hairy moments where a person just wooshed by with no warning. It's gonna give someone a heart attack. Or maybe out of startlement the person will windmill their arms and break their arm against any following speeding bicyclist, or slip to the side and start falling down the rocks, or maybe turn and step into the middle of the trail trying to target what is happening behind them and get run over or knocked down. And even if none of these worst case scenarios happen it's sometimes scary and sometimes shocking to have this person speed by you unexpectedly. I gladly move over to let someone feel like they can pass safely, a bell or a call of "PASSING!" is easy for you and much appreciated by the pedestrian.
I mean, I would move if you just yelled “biker back!” Usually I’m just enjoying my hike when some Chad comes flying down at 30 mph faster than a bobcat from behind.
Tell the biker to slow down and make way for hikers.
Not on a bike-only trail, where the hiker shouldn’t even be there in the first place.
@SnowghostFilms not on a hiking trail where bikers should respect other people.
Agree on a shared-use trail, but the example in the video is a bike-only trail. So besides the hiker not supposed to be there in the first place, the biker also does not expect them, thus when the hiker stops in a place where he cannot be seen (as in the video) he violates 2 rules of logic and there is almost nothing the biker can do to prevent an accident with the hiker. I also doubt that any hiking trail would feature large artificial features like berms and jump take offs and landings. And if you say a bike-only trail doesn’t exist, they most certainly do, at least where I ride. Best example is Thredbo, where there a multiple Hiking-only trails, over a dozen MTB-only trails and a few shared use trails where riders do let hikers know when they are going to pass them, then say how many there are in their group.
@@SnowghostFilms I'm with hikers, and I'm a biker, always give way to hikers.
@@SnowghostFilms The trail in the video was a mixed use trail. You can tell by the where on the ground at the path.
as a hiker, before i go on any new side trail i always check to make sure it isn’t a bike only trail. it’s not that hard!
Thank you for being aware. It's always good to see people outside enjoying nature in their own ways, and even better when everyone is mindful of each other
Why is it that when a seemingly normal person gets on a bike they become the most entitled, rude version of themselves?
That is nothing! You should see what happens when a bunch of seemingly normal people commute in big motorized cages! Suddenly they think they are entitled to vast unobstructed well-paved streets free from pedestrians and bikes and limitless public space for storage, and they will happily put anyone's life in danger to save a second!
But he is entitled to ride on a designated biking only trail and shouldn't have to worry about hikers. Same thing if a trail is designated for hiking - hikers shouldn't have bikers barreling down on them all of a sudden.
I'll say this as someone who has done a lot of hiking in my life. I know trail etiquette and get out of the way for bicyclists. But on the road they seem to think that they have the right of way and I see them riding on mountain roads in the middle of the lane like they have a death wish. And it's always the ones in spandex that get so fricken angry when you pull up behind them as if they paid to have the road for a private ride. Road Bicyclists are some of the biggest jerks I've ever seen. Mountain bikers on the otherhand have always been very courteous in my experience.
It happens with any two wheeled object. Something about the speed, the wind, and the menouverability does that to you.
@@5688gamble True, though cars are not on these trails
OR. or and just let me say this, option 4 is, also to yell at the biker for riding on the (bike)trail in the first place, and speeding...... also dont forget the off leash herd dog that bites at the bikers heels....
Joke's on them. My off-leash dog running with me as I mountain bike won't take kindly to ankle biters!
@@dylantech OMG Amazing ! i love it, never did i ever consider that as an option. WAAAY better than a thumb sized canister of dog spray !!
D. Get off the trail but jam that stick into the spokes.
Bonus points if its a purpose built MTB park
@@dylantech who's the anlke biter in that scenario? :-)
Mountain Bikers are the Karens of the trails.
Cyclists are the Karens of the Roads. MTBers on BIKE trails? Not so much. MTBers on MIXED trails? Absolutely.
I'm a trail runner and when I see a bike coming I stand in the middle of the trail with my arms wide refusing to move. That's because my morning run is on a flat, foot traffic only trail with no biking signs at every entrance junction. It's home to a rare, fragile ecosystem that's getting destroyed by selfish mountain bikers plowing through it. They night ride too disturbing endangered nocturnal wildlife. Not all bikers are assholes, not all hikers are either. But it only takes a few.
Hikers can degrade trails, but bikes, wow. In flat areas I noticed bikers tend to leave trail and play around. Going around trees, up little hills on the side. Finally the forest understory around the trail can become bare dirt.
@@OspreyFlyer True about hikers, especially if they don't follow Leave No Trace principals and stay on designated trails. But MB tires rip through the earth and destroy anything in their path. Many MB riders have little care for the natural environment. I had one threaten me once with a rock in his hand. I laughed in his face and he went limp and rode off.
@@annwe6 MTBers are so so, but if you stand in middle of trail with arms out, you are the ahole. MTBers are earthlings and have as much right to this earth as you do. There is no reason a hiking trail can't be used by a cyclist who respects pedestrians. Amazing how somebody cycling is 'destroying the earth', cycling used to be a very environmentalist hobby, before environmentalism became a virtue signal for karens who could care less about the environment. I live off grid, solar, rainwater, firewood, cyclists riding on the trail periphery don't annoy me, karens who dont give a fk about the environment enough to change their ways but expect everybody else to, that annoys me.
@@JohnSmith-pn1vv What part of No Bikes Allowed signs at every trail entrance didn't you understand? It's been an ongoing problem on this particular trail for many years.
A few selfish MTBers ignore the clear park service requests to take one of the many surrounding, alternate, bike friendly routes. They then cause immense damage to the surrounding delicate ecosystem that takes years if ever to reverse. Yes, I'll keep getting in their way, every dang time.
@@annwe6 I'm glad they break the rules and destroy your petty powertrip. Also if one of the mtbers you throw arms up at falls off he can sue you because what you are doing is illegal. Fancy that, a karen so high on her powertrip she breaks the law. Colour me shocked.
It's similar to those people who walk in the swimming lanes at the pool
A cyclist is riding on a trail in the woods and sees a hiker ahead of them do they
*A: Make some indication they are approaching from behind by saying something like "On your left!"
*B: Slow down so as to safely maneuver around the hiker.
*C:Go off trail a bit to avoid the hiker
*D: Get off bike for a second and walk it around hiker until safely past them and then resume riding.
*E: Race down the trail at full speed putting the entire responsibility for their mutual safety on the unaware hiker possibly crashing into them and then blaming them for it, then going and making a passive aggressive youtube video about it desperately seeking affirmation for your bad decisions from strangers.
I agree sort of. But a normal hiker won't notice a "blind jump landing"
Option D: Step to the side and swing your big stick like you're taking on a fastball.
Pretty confident pedestrians (hikers) have the right of way on shared use trails and bikers are required to yield. But hey that’s just me…
Yep, on shared trails. Not the trail in this video, but probably the trail that most will encounter
He literally says a bike trail.. not mixed use trail. I use a bell on my bike on mixed use trails, but also on bike only trails because some hikers dont always know that it is a dedicated trail for mtbs. That being said, I happily yield to hikers whenever I am on mixed use trail. But on a bike trail, its pretty aggravating
Bikers got zero self awareness. You really think they know what the fk a blind landing is?
Reminds me of motorcycle riders getting mad about everything
Maybe its you 😮
Wait, you think a biker doesn't know what a blind landing is? It is a walker that doesn't understand that it is dangerous to be in a landing zone where the biker jumping can't see someone is in the way before they leave the jump.
@calvin2032 That is exactly my point, why blame the walker for something they don't even know about?
Imagine someone lands on your island, and starts saying you need to accept Allah...
I mean ignorance is hardly an excuse haha that's the same as a biker not knowing courtesy of the trail so let them do whatever they want@@SoulAir
@nativeoutdoors1780 well @ me when the hikers are the ones complaining and not the other way around. The biker has more knowledge and is the danger in the situation. The hiker is not causing the danger, so it is up to the biker to make precautions. Same as motorcycle riders who are going faster, and are the danger. They need to look out for themselves and not blame drivers who are not expecting the bike. That's my point.
@@SoulAir uhhhhhh hikers constantly complain about bikers, you are literally complaining about bikers right now, unless you've never hiked and then all your responses are hot air.
If you've never been on trails, many posts will tell you who yields to who, often times less controllable recreation gets yielded to, like cross country skiers yield to horses who yield to everyone
More like the mountain biker is going down a hiking only trail
Those are the best trails😎
At least we have fun
We don't really have those here in Bentonville as every trail is either mixed-use or bikes only. The only exception I can think of would be some long and steep stairs to get straight to the top of a ridge at Coler. It's called "The Rise" and is 185 steps. If you ignored the sign and rode down them anyway, you better pray karma doesn't mess you up right away, or you'll likely be in for a world of hurt.
He literally told you in the video , its a bike trail 😂😂
oop looks like we got a pissed off hiker here!
Like a lot of other people have said, bikers gotta chill out and yield more. I totally agree that a lot of people both on trails and on sidewalks just don’t know how to react, but that’s not really the point.
Bikes yield to Hikers, Both yield to people with Strollers, and Everyone yields to Horses because you never really know what a horse is going to do
Just won $32,000...in court.
Maybe it's just me. When I ride, I assume I should be the one to give right-of-way to hikers, horses, etc...
The hiker clearly was an idiot in this scenario. But the rider is a self-important jackass.
Is it really a "bike only" trail? If so then hiker is in the wrong. Otherwise, check yourself.
I don't go hiking expecting to be mown down by a crazy cyclist. I wander along looking at Mother Nature's gifts and listening to the sounds of the countryside. I wander from side to side to find the easiest route. If I meet another hiker we exchange greetings or maybe have a short conversation in the middle of the trail.
My response to the very rare call "bike!" is "hiker!".
If I'm with a friend we walk side by side.
Get used to it.
Get used having the sh8t scared out of you then @JosephWood1941-iz6mi
Humans: we are smarter than deer. We dont standing in front of moving vehicle and just stare at it.
Pedestrians always have the right of way. Nuff said.
At least it’s a padded landing
I don’t know why that made me laugh but I needed it. Thanks
have you perharps considered that a speeding bike does not give enough time to react by sound alone? should probably install and use a horn or bell to warn people soon enough
He said it was a bike trail. So what every biker on that trail should really be doing is informing the ignorant hikers that they’re not allowed to be there.
@@tubecated_development i just go where ever, it's nature. when a hiking trail is ruined by bike tires I'll take the high road, which is usually a biking trail.
@@mouse2542 But you're aware it's a biking trail, and understand that trail's right of way, right?
@@tubecated_development "Bike" trails are almost always actually mixed use trails open to the public--hence why we often see the hiker/biker encounter that this video talks about. There's no rule against hikers. Too many bikers just don't ride cautiously enough and think yelling "on your left" or ringing their bell at the last minute automatically gives them clearance to pass.
I swear 😂 I've gotten yelled at by grumpy old women, and when I use my bell and say on your left, then somehow I am the worst human on the planet. 🤦♂️ This is why I like downhill parks.
💯 that happened to us as well by 4 fucktards old men!!
I go to a downhill park and I always seem to meet the two hikers in the world that day who decided to hike their way up.
I appreciate bikers doing that.
You're making the incorrect assumption that a majority of old women can 1) hear you 2) realize that "on your left" means they have to go to the right 3) react before you pass them.
@professorlilith5933 They were probably in their 50s. I'm 15 so from my pov that's "old"
To be fair, my fight/flight/freeze response kicks in. And I have the tendency to freeze. I've been run over by a bike before. And on a trail with plenty of space.
Who does that hiker think he is to not get out of your way? The entitlement!
A cyclist of any kind within 5 miles of the location - "On air, sea or land, I have right of way, that is the cyclists' command"
D.) look at you funny because you’re on a bike only trail and the hiker has no business hiking that trail in the first place but they can’t read signs and now somehow this is your problem
This is where you need to make the distinction between footpaths and bike trails. A footpath is typically just one path that doesn't cut up the forest like a cobweb of unavoidable networks. Footpaths are also typically used by bikers where hikers still have to get out of the way. Except if you're walking through the woods not on a particular trail at least in the uk you'll end up having to cut across ugly bike trails that are all over every major woodland south of Scotland that isnt a tree farm.
Hikers see bikes on trails the same way you see cars on the road.
D.... drops his pants bender over and yells go big or go home sweetie 😂
The number of people arguing about hikers on bike trails is making me wonder, do American bike and hiking trails not ever intersect? Because it's very common here in the UK that a footpath and a bike path will meet. You might see a sign. Or you might not, either because there isn't one or because its hidden in a bush. Just gotta be sensible, no matter if you're riding or on foot. Hitting a deer (or worse, another rider who came off in that blind landing zone) isn't any more fun either.
oh no, they ALWAYS are mixed use unless you're at some bougie closed-track thing (which this is clearly not)
it's just the kinds of bikers who're making those comments (and indeed this video) are the kind who drive their single-occupant BMW SUVs to the park to ride, and take up three parking spaces.
Bicyclists like this shitheel think they have ultimate right-of-way and that it's the pedestrians' fault for moving to the side of the trail but not throwing themselves into a ditch or speed-climbing 10 feet up a 45 degree muddy incline in the one second they had to react to his bell and call (assuming that was even audible seeing as people tend to be listening to music while on trails anyway, and your calls and bells are a lot quieter than you think they are out there)
Furthermore, the guy wasn't in the middle of the trail, instead he literally moved to the side and there was ample space to go around him, but then bicycle douchebag wouldn't have been able to take that jump so he decided to ignore his object permanence and assume the person he could see two seconds prior had magically teleported to safety instead of simply not being visible over the blind jump that HE knew about but that WASN'T a blind jump to the pedestrian when he went by on account of him moving at a more sensible speed towards that turn
The guy making this video is literally the kind of person everyone INCLUDING OTHER BICYCLISTS complain about sharing their trails and streets with, because they combine pedestrian and automobile privilege into an ego large enough to crush rhode island
Hikers have the right of way, bikers need to pay more attention on multi-use trails
Fortunately hikers do pay attention in my area and usually let bikers go first
In this video, not so much(specifically says a Bike trail). Almost all trails, yes, you are right.
So aggravating but true. And when you're climbing a long hill but they can't move over 3 feet.
I had an older lady push me as I rode uphill past her, she got mad because I told her to put her dogs on a leash.
@@dystopiaisutopia you should yell after you pass them, not before
Actually they will dart back and forth so you can't tell which way they are going to go making it impossible to steer around them.
In other words it's hard to miss a moving target.
Use your brakes
Deer in headlights. My guess is they're trying to process how fast the biker is going to then make a decision on how fast and where they need to get off the trail, but by the time they've made a decision it's too late.
which indicates the warning that the biker was approaching was *given* too late
I would probably say the first thing is to not get lost. I've hiked a lot, and from what I've know, if you're hiking on an MTB trail to get to the next campsite you are probably going the wrong way.
My issue is them moving over after I've already gotten over. Often moving into my path of travel.
Then they'll wait for me to change my path of travel again.
It seems like some people will force you to accept their kind deed.
One of my favorites is waiting at a cross walk and having a car wave you through while everyone else is flying past.
Like just because you stopped doesn't mean anything.
Now you know how motorists feel when cyclists act like they own the vehicle trails.
Both Hikers and Bikers should be more vigilant and be prepared to move/slow down when there is a view-blocking hill/curve - same as when driving.
The times when I was the B guy was when I was in deep thought and the biker completely surprised me. Bikers don't realize how fast they can seem to chill hikers
Stand firm. Lean Forward dig your heels into the ground. And position your walking stick like a lance towards the oncoming object.
Based Pikeposting
Well at least this one's funny, I won't dislike.
Bikers just can't get along with anyone, Motorists or pedestrians
Says "Bike" trails, not mixed
I ride at a bike park that has walking tracks for hikers and picnic areas for the general public and it amazes me how many people think that the clearly labeled bike trails are hiking tracks.
Then they aren't clearly labeled!
I, a person that rides bikes daily, while walking in the woods encountered a pole with different coloured routes & thought;"that is a weird route symbol, but let's follow the black double dot & one triangle trail, why not?"
Turns out that that is a stylised person on a bicycle. I'd never have guessed that.
By the by, yes we did step aside, cheered the people going uphill on & got of that path as soon as possible when we found another route.
Even then, if a mtb-er had decided to try to run me trough, THEY would have been in the wrong.
And don't even get me started about the arseholes that think their pr is more important than my or my children's safety on shared paths.
SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!
It's amazing how the instant a trail is made to accommodate bikes bikers think it's one of those rare, usually pay-gated bike only trails
also, assuming it's NOT pay-gated, the head of the trail might be well marked, but if someone's on a walking trail that intersects with a bike trail it's oftentimes not well-marked (or marked at all) that it's one of the extremely rare "bike only" trails
Also-also, what's someone supposed to do if their bike breaks on the trail, hm? fucking teleport!?
Oh, and while we're at it, if someone can't hear your call-out clearly (being hard-of-hearing, wearing headphones, you were just too fucking quiet, whatever) or otherwise can't tell which direction you called out from or what side of the trail you're coming in on, they're GOING to freeze, because then YOU are the one variable and ideally can avoid an impact
Option D. Zigzags wildly from left to right making it impossible to judge causing the biker to come to an almost complete halt
The way he just posed and smiled the way he did made me snort laugh 😂😂
Good Lorde! That isn't a hiker! That is a SASQUATCH what can talk!!!
To be fair, it's like that EVERY FUCKING WHERE.
Especially in town where the pedestrians seems really confused by that little thing called bike path.
And motorists about bike lanes and bike boxes lol. As for bike boxes, bus drivers are bloodthirsty psychopaths and should undergo a psych evaluation.
it works both way though.
@@barneschitown hiking only trails are boring lol.
Edit: I didn't check the video this was under or check the comments before replying, this is my answer.
Bikes can't kill anyone else on the road other than fellow cyclists. There's stupid cyclists and I also condemn them, they make the road more dangerous for us as well. Try counting the amount of times you see a cyclist not doing a dumb thing, and then again when You're in another city. We're not all morons.
@@yrknutzreek i was referring to your comment...
@@barneschitown good point, I shouldn't reply to RUclips comments while drunk. I'll revise my answer.