Nadeshot Is Wondering Why We Want Games To Fail - It's To Make Entertainment Better Again
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Gaming and movies and entertainment in general has been decreasing in quality almost as rapidly as it has been increasing in quantity. From buggy releases and microtransactions to season passes in 70$ games and worst of all the woke agenda taking countless peoples beloved hobbies and ruining them. The industry is what we make of it, and it is long past time we force it to be better, irrespective of the cost.
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"You need to reward them for making games"
We did, and where did that lead us to?
Higher cost, less ownership, more monetization, more cut content, less support, more bugs, ruination of beloved IPs.
Oh and let's not forget, absolutely no respect to the customer.
damn, i want this comment pinned as well, a lot of great comments i have seen so far.
"You need to reward them for making games" is the Marxist "Labor theory of value" whereby the value of a product shall be estimated by how much time was spent making it. It's a human things to say but it's completely reality-averse. People people for a product, if they need it, not for the work that goes into it, especially if they don't need it.
This.
Bad work should never be rewarded.
Bad games need to fail so the good ones may rise.
But we also has come to a point where good games could fail in its lifetime and turned bad (Hells Diver 2)
100% spot on.
not paying money for a crap product. thats why games are failing. until the studios understand they have lost their audience, they wont make good games again.
Which audience? Gaming has gone so mainstream any popular slop will succeed despite the odds
@@braydoxastora5584 Been saying this for years, but the best stuff will forever be from the niche market. The niche market isn't trying to please everyone. They're instead trying to make the best thing they can for their audience. An audience that was created in the first place by them doing what they wanted.
thats not even fair considering warframe gets more love(from its devs) than 99.9% of all games out there and its a free game
@@braydoxastora5584
the majority audience, the ones they demonize the most, ya know the straight white males or just males in general, but they pick on whity the most and they are the majority audience who play these games, these companies are only catering to the woke dipshits that are less than 1% of the gaming population.
and this is why when their game starts to fail they always go to blame the very same people they pissed off in the first place, it seems they haven't learned anything yet, i feel like they need to hit rock bottom to learn anything.
remember when Ubisoft said that gamers need to get comfortable with not owning their games and they decided to take a game off of steam that people payed full price for?
that makes me feel like never purchasing ANYTHING from that company ever again, and they are some of the worst offenders in picking on the majority demographic, i say screw them i want them to go bankrupt to make me happy.
yeah but we have seen it's not enough as many of these companies are going broke and have to sell their IP to another studio, just hopefully that other studio doesn't do the same shit, because we gamers can play this little dance again if needs be.
Gamers don't want games to fail; they want wokeness to fail.
Amen , you said it. Damn right.
i do want woke games to fail and fail hard
@@Blackdawn1975 you and me both! Can’t happen fast enough.
And that's where their gaslighting lies on, they want to pretend wokeness doesn't exist, so if it doesn't, that means you must want all video games ever to fail! For no reason! Why are you doing this!?
Exactly. We want all the wokeness that's currently infesting gaming to fail and be completely driven out from gaming in general because it's doing nothing but destroying gaming.
When I was a child I had a dog, whom I loved. One day that dog was hit by a car and died. The next day the driver of that car dug my dog's corpse up attached it to strings and made a marionette puppet show out of it. I feel like it's understandable why I would want this business venture of theirs to fail.
My dog's name was Video Games.
You got lucky that they just attached strings.
My dog got a spray painted rainbow skin, sex change and i have to pay for everything.
My dog's name was Remaster.
@@woldemunster9244 🤣🤣🤣🤣
youtube doesn't like my comments. and they never tell me what i said that was so wrong.
@@5226-p1e Same, can't say a thing on here.
@@panwu6602
i just mentioned that i would get revenge on that guy if he did this to my dog, and said something along the lines of stripping his car for parts.
and instant censored lol.
it wasn't violent and i didn't use any swears and yet i was still censored.
"Why do you want this building to collapse?"
Said of a skyscraper made of cardboard and bottle caps.
Nah. Why do you want to destroy all skyscrapers.
I expect it to collapse. I'd rather it do so while empty.
@@robertbeisert3315 Very wise words for two sentences. lol
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As soon as he put playing an old game for the 1000th time in a negative sense, that's when it became clear he is not a gamer
Bingo, i remember old extra credit the first red flag was saying that old games dont have replayability, i have play evil genious one, like what 10, 20 times, i have play the I of the dragon an old dragon game of late 90s or early 2000 like four times, i lost count how many times i have play, CK2, and sid meyers alpha centaury, i play kingdom of amalur recokning an RPG of early 2000 like five times, and is long as hell, i have play and win Rebel galaxy also long as hell also early 2000 like two times, master of orion lost count, street figther 2 in emulator, lost count, star wars jedi knigth jedi academy, i have play it more than four times, star craft one, i have win it, like tree times.
And many more, old games were replayables modern games you barely want to play once
COD players rank just slightly above soccer moms playing Candy Crush when it comes to people actually with their finger on the pulse of gaming culture.
Yeah, meanwhile I can easily replay the very first game I ever played in my life, the original Sonic the Hedgehog 1 for the Mega Drive and enjoy it as much as enjoyed as a kid.
@@SammEater same, but mario 1 for me. I can still play that over and over today as I did as a kid
He's a consume product get exited for next product
of course he doesnt understand, hes been playing the same game year after year with slightly better textures, paying $100s a year. hes a part of the problem.
i dont want GAMES to fail, i want corporations to fail so we can go back to good games.
and i bet he's cheating, they all do.
he's a midwitt.
He is, pay 100 dollards for the same game, over and over again, same game that requires more and more expensive hardware, that require internet conection, that require to sign a term of service that is more a social contract than a game, and yet he buy
"People complain about not having enough games to play,"
...what? Everyone I know jokes that they have a huge backlog of games they bought and haven't gotten to yet.
Nothing *GOOD* that's *NEW* to play. I'll tell you right now: I browsed a catalog of 100s of games that were on sale yesterday, and I saw maybe 1 or 2 things I'd consider buying. Not that many people are lining up to play new games, let alone spend money on them.
I personally got 200 in my steam account. Many have more.
Skyrim is 13 years old and typically rocks 20k+ concurrent players. The fact six dudes play Concord doesn't mean nobody is playing games.
Yea i havent gotten around playing elden ring yet because i had other games to play 😂
Still haven't finished weird West
That dude has the same energy as that land manatee RR Martin, claiming he doesn't understand why trekkies absolutely hate modern Star Trek.
From the makers of land whale, the slightly smaller but just as disgusting land manatee. Get yours today for the low price of diabetes.
This isn't "pretending to be dumb" this is just being dumb.
Parodies of Star Trek such as The Orville and Galaxy Quest are better Trek than Trek has been for decades.
@@Theranthropehonestly though. Modern Star Trek is painful.
@@Theranthrope I love The Orville so much. Seth gives us fans what we want and need yet everyone else can't seem to wrap their head around this very simple thing.
I was thinking the same thing. Thanks for mentioning that. However I believe that both this guy and George RR Martin are WILLFULLY ignorant.
I overcame this “fear of missing out” nonsense when I was a teenager…..30 years ago
As you get older the less you give a damn about trends and do what you enjoy.
Worst case, you just get the digital version... Most likely at 75% off. 😉
In ye olden times it happened quite often it could take months before a game was in the shops again. If at all...
@@CommDante Exactly, I’ll just wait it out, no harm to me.
When that guy said "Don't Like It, Don't Buy It", I have completely lost mine. Still, games/movies/comics aren't going anywhere that that fear is completely unjustified, it is nothing but mind games of the publishers to make you get more irrationally excited.
“If we keep tearing down these studios trying to make good games…” Well there’s the catch, chief: they aren’t trying to make any good games, they’re making micro-transaction-infested slop or message delivery systems. The odd indie or AA studio might try and make something fun, but that is the exception, not the rule.
I think the feeling of them not even trying is big part of this. It really feels they are not trying, nor they know how to make good games. And then they don't even attempt in many areas. Like making actually interesting characters. Or writing well. Or well anything.
Was he unironically using a labour theory of value defence of game studios?
"They put time and effort into it, and you have to reward that."
I can put in a lot of time and effort turning perfectly good ingredients into inedible slop, doesn't mean that you're obliged to pay for it just so I can make more slop tomorrow.
Also. Indie devs fall into the same problem.
99% of indie games are quite literally always the same, whit progressive propaganda as well.
@@_Ekaros Why would they try? They're funded by tax dollars if they goosestep to the right beat. Limitation breeds creativity; being handed everything leaves you incompetent with possibility.
the key word is trying
i dont care how hard they try to make a good game i will not buy shit in hopes i get actual food later
So, if we don’t buy these terrible games, then the companies that make terrible games will have to stop doing that.
I’m sold.
Solid plan, and and everyone's wallet would be glad of such sound decision
haha "sold" - unlike all of those woke games am I right?
@@Coconut-219 Pff. Your dad-joke is very refined.
Politically correct modern quadruple A games with live service that aren't even content complete on launch? No thanks. I'm fearing of missing out on my 200+ backlog. Free time is finite.
yeah until they convince every company to strip that away from your backlog, i guess you better back that backlog on some pirate site.
Arr!
Millennial SJ writing, unfinished launches and overall lack of new ideas, when most of AAA now is just same looking cartoony F2P PvP competitive game with mtx.
@@5226-p1eGOG exists. Pirates will also continue to crack games. Your point is moot
The older I get the more of an existential crisis my backlog becomes.
A pro gamer who understands the game industry less than me, a non-gamer. Fascinating.
Gonna let you in on a secret: "Pro-gamers" don't know the game industry OR how to make games. They're little more than reactionary bots in a human skin. Their existence is little more than to try and justify taking more money for videogames than needed.
Said it once, said it again; allowing suits into creative industries was the first mistake.
@@wiilov Pro gamers spend the bulk of their gaming time playing the one game they play professionally so they have little to no clue how the game industry is operating.
"Pro gamers" are just kids who play mainstream casual games for money, much like addicts. It's akin to someone claiming to be a film expert while only watching the MCU and Fast and Furious franchises.
@@--Sama- That's very true. I can say the same for anime "fans" who only watch the same types of shows and think they know everything about the medium when you only have a surface level understanding of things at best and at worse are just ignorant. Their tastes are dictated by what the streaming services allow them to watch and they won't go outside of it and read the manga or novels nor buy much merch to support the companies in Japan and paying Crunchyroll doesn't count as they pocket the majority of the money!
"Why won't you buy and play through the mind altering propaganda?"
Why even buy? 90% of modern AAA games is a "Free 2 Play" shop disguised as a game.
@@Dat_Jonx there are some amazing games I've missed from before 2010, cost a few bucks for hours of insane fun.
@@Dat_Jonx you mean pay 2 skip the grind? The "Free 2 Play" games are geared towards unfun repetitive grinding to push you to pay. The difference with games not designed to shake you down like that is large
@@Dat_Jonx They got the normies paying for a f2p game.
@@marcogenovesi8570 worse, just straight up multiplayer only game that sells skins and other useless garbage with required FOMO and grind instead of, you know, full fledged story game for the same price as one skin there.
"We don't make enough money!"
"Exactly. You've turned a passion into a paycheck."
Finally, someone said it. The rampant rising cost of making videogames IS NOT the customer's problem, especially considering that it is a SYMPTOM of the actual problem of bloat and poor allocation of funds in videogames. They aren't focusing on performance and optimization so games can run on lower spec builds, they aren't focusing on proofreading scripts to make sure that their stories actually land on delivery, no, they are focusing on hiring entire DEI departments and employing 15 different people for the same job when only 1 is actually doing the work. There are TOO MANY HANDS IN THE PUNCH BOWL and not enough to go around. This is why Indie Devs are seeing success; they remain small, create within their means, and generally avoid attaching themselves to a parasitic big name publisher. And we CANNOT fix the bloat by continuing to ENABLE it when we see it. We fix the bloat by refusing to refill the punch bowl AKA our money. Once the money dries up, they are forced to recede. The big companies responsible for ruining games are forced to withdraw and subside, even if just for a time. They are forced to either quit or analyze their mistakes and figure out what their competition is doing that is allowing Indie Devs to succeed.
We don't CARE that you aren't making enough money. We want you to make LESS. Because it's what you f***ing deserve for turning our hobby into your next big business venture. We wanted to get away from corporate influence and mainstream media by playing games and having fun. You have now FORCED corporate influence and mainstream media into our games and have put "Fun" second to "Profit". You deserve to fail.
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They need to understand that this is an economy, not a charity. That may sound cruel to people who don't understand economics, but I need money, too. I am not willing to part with my resources in exchange for trash and propaganda.
I'll fucking drink to that man, here here!
Knowing it will suck and hoping it will suck are two different things
Nah, there's a lot of people out there who hope certain games will suck. I'm one of them.
Just like I hope many movies and shows will suck.
Mediocre products that are an insult to their predecessors can make tons of money because, well... McDonald's exists.
So I hope, and am getting my wish granted quite frequently as of late, for spectacular failures that force the people responsible to go out of business.
I want the greedy and the woke to go bankrupt and fail, and I want them to be so blatant with their attempts to force their message and their scummy practices down our throats that even the most normie of npcs will react
Sadly the woke=evil wont go away
Simply knowing that you’re not interested is enough. Devs think they have a right to your opinion and a right to your money these days, no one has a right to your opinion.
They have trained us to be pessimistic, we are never truly disappointed when we expect the worst. Not the same as hoping something fails. That is reserved for devs who attack fans or openly come out for "modern audiences" which is just a dog whistle for their cult.
Sadly but no, if thing that suck suddenly gonna be not sucking... then psyops was successful and they brainwashed normies. FIN
I hope that AC shadows and SW outlaws gonna suck, because i want them to stop producing shit, and if i gonna stop hoping for it then it means i'm ok with kids being brainwashed into shit gaming full of propaganda and low quality products, ofc i can do it if i decide that current kids deserve modern entertainment, but for now i'm not willing to steep so low.
Modern AAA games spend almost as much, or more, on marketing and DEI initiatives than they do on actual production of the game itself. Why should I buy into something that considers the actual product to be the least important thing in the process?
And why would I support a company or a product that has openly declared me as their political enemy and evil for existing?
And further, they consider the actual workers making the product their least important employees.
@@piscinaiv7937They treat every game like a smash and grab- Just get the bag don't worry about the health of the community. They turned AAA gaming into a ghetto and they're blaming the people who are leaving.
@@ShadowRulah just like the blacks in the black community.
History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.
E.T. The Extraneous Testicle for the Atari 2600 was only granted a 5 week development cycle by one guy, Howard Scott Warshaw, for the 1982 Christmas season because Atari sunk most of the game's budget into marketing. AAAA(H) gaming needs another 1983-style corrective crash to re-learn the lessons lost.
Everything is bright pink and teal. Haircuts are are shaved at the sides and blue. Humour is soy unfunny safe crap. Missions hold your hand and tell you to PRESS X on everything. Greedy, disgusting predatory monetary practices. The list is endless.. people are BORED!
How is making games different from being a restaurant owner? If the meals (product) you serve suck and your customer service amounts to berating and banning customers who dare speak out, you deserve to go down - the same goes for *EVERY* type of business no matter how many people are employed. There was once a system which desperately tried to keep unprofitable companies afloat by artificially pumping money into them and I think we all remember how it ended.
Still happening with the housing market, which is one reason why buying a house is impossible.
Investors overvaluing a market sector with their investments until it crashes. And then the Federal government goes out of its way to keep those banks that played that game up just to delay a worse economic situation with a still bad one.
That would be a free market, we don't do that here (sadly)
It all went downhill when companies started saying consumer instead of customer.
Your analogy reminds me of Amy's bakery they did exactly that lol
I've seen enough Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsay to know this is 100% true. Nearly every big game studio today is run like Amy's Baking Company.
Videogames are not failing, devs are failing to make good videogames. There's plenty of good games making money while other studios can't stop the layoffs.
can't stop being creatively bankrupt on ideology either.
Exactly. This isn't going to be a crash it will be a purge.
Yep
yp, bandai namco overshot their projected earnings by almost double thanks to the success of the elden ring DLC
Well, there are non-woke games making money, describing them as "good" is a bit of a stretch.
The same people who are afraid of people being able to carry firearms genuinely beliee they would march for mutants rights 😂😂
They would be the first to prepare the ropes.
If they had any consistency, they would push for mutant registration, just like guns. Unless the mutant came in illegally lol
@@robertstan9733 Not just registration, but chipped like animals. Keep track of where they go at all times, etc.
It's for the children!
I mean the ropes wouldn't exactly be a bad idea have you seen what magneto does f those guys.
@@erueka6 that would just escalate the needs for stronger personal weaponry
@@JohnDoe-pt7ru that should be a good thing
Something something getting upset over someone squatting over your dinner plate, and going "How do you know it's shit if it's not even out yet?"
Many people simply do not understand pattern recognition... then again, recognizing patterns is something that you will get called ists and phobes for.
I don't need to step in dog shit to know what it is
People without pattern recognition barely qualify as people, I however think this is malice he has a perverse financial incentive to keep his slop series going for his career, he knows what he's doing and is therefore evil.
Im not surprised he wouldnt get it, hes a paid player playing FPS with ridiculous aim assists, its almost paralympic esports.
LOL.
hes literally a part of the problem. dudes been playing the same game with a new title for 10 years and cant seem to see why people would be pissed.
Fucking hell that was good.
Been on pc for so damn long I forgot what “Aids” assist even was when you see ancient games like TF2 and the snap shots people pull off WITHOUT that massive crutch.
So a famous "famous normie gamer"
It says a lot about the bubble he lives in that "there are no games to play" is a narrative he hears a lot. Personally, I have the exact opposite problem. I have so many games to play that I could COMPLETELY stop buying games right now and I'd have new games to play for at least 3-4 years. Anyone that thinks there are "no games to play" must have VERY specific tastes. Not that there's anything wrong with that but your specific tastes are not the entire market.
if it causes me to feel demoralized, i want it to fail, if the game maker wants me to own nothing to make them happy, i want it to fail and have them own nothing to make me happy.
Funny how that works.
@@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148
indeed.
"I want them to no longer enjoy life"
If they want to lecture me, tell me i am wrong for born as a man, wrong for wanting to see sexy females, wrong for wanting to have fun and not take the feminist and trans crap, well i want it to fail, when i see what they make it to street figther i want it to fail
@@Coconut-219
now that's the spirit!
Oh wow the professional COD player can't fathom people having standards above rock bottom, I'm shocked.
There seems to be some weird inability of some people to correlate the facts at their disposal and instead they just become highly suggestible. If Marvel movies are presented as really good, they will start thinking the movies are really good rather than thinking through the actual content.
@@LawofImprobability-2 it's called sheeple. Most people will do that
Personally, I have become something of a connoisseur of shadenfreude.
Yes, I ascribe malice to the actions of companies releasing broken, unfun, politically-driven and generally not worth buying games.
I enjoy seeing bad decisions leading to bad results.
I hope eventually that they will be forced to make a good game, because you can only fail so many times.
And no, I do not worry about new games. I have SOOOOO many games to play, and there is no shortage of new games being made. The only ones suffering are the megacorps dominating the market. I have no remorse for companies to stupid to survive.
Remember when the 'urban legend' about the Atari E.T cartridges buried in the desert, turned out to be true? 😉
Oh I do. I remember how everyone jokingly treated it as some kind of Indiana Jones style forgotten treasure. And then it was actually true ! Whatever it is that rules reality, it has an excellent sense of humor.
Yes i remember, and when you see the game, o mi, for any one saying all games before were better, no there were bad games, but in those times, in the 90s and 80s bad games fail and didnt progress not like today that you can serve crap and it will sail
"You'll have to replay this game a thousand times"
It comes off as pretty funny coming from a guy who replays the same game Professionally XD
Well, really good games have replayability, so, it's natural, that you can play them over and over again without them getting stale and boring.
But he probably isn't aware of something like that.
As an rpg fan, grinding has become a time sink. I've started playing SMT V, and got to level 15 and now it's tedious to keep the grind. I could understand elden ring which is more skill based vs just leveling up.
I've got like 90% of all demons from the beginning, and leveling them up to register them to the compendium is getting tedious.
@@117Ender Oh yeah Japanese RPGs can be really grindy... You should have a look at the Disgaea series where you can even level up Items and it's a chore and a half. And the Level Cap is 9999 I think AND you've got a reincarnation system which improves your stat growth but drops you back to Level 1.
@HubiKoshi I'm at the age I want exp boosts not cause it's hard but it's a time sink. If I have to waste 2 hrs fighting mobs on autobattle to level up, it's not a challenge it's time sink. Factorio is a time sink, but you can boost efficiency thus speed up production you can hsve it run to get a surplus of goods.
@@117Ender Those grimoires are handy to have around, because they at least cut down the grind somewhat. But man, there just aren't enough of them. The game asks for such a heavy investment of your time and it isn't designed to really reward it by taking some of the tedium out. I say this as someone who also played through SMT Nocturne and sunk over 100 hours into grinding to fill out the compendium.
I'm old enough to remember the mid-80's crash. The coming crash is going to make that look like nothing. Game dev companies have deliberately, actively alienated a HUGE chunk of their potential customer base. And we have a metric ton of alternatives out there. There are lifetimes worth of older, pre-woke games to play and enjoy. The industry could end this very moment and gamers could carry on just fine with what we already have.
Plus there's also tons of really cool indie projects, yea. So many good low-cost options that really end up beating AAA games in terms of fun-factor.
Simple it's easier to wait and look out if a game is good, than to instantly buy and get over the regrett for buying a bad game. #NoPreorders
Simpler, we can pirate a game and test if it's good and pay after this. Modern slop however often isn't worth pirating.
yeah the only game im looking forward to is space marine 2 and im still not gonna preorder it but lets be honest all the extra cosmetics for preordering if u use them u a little bitch
@@c1borgen Also true for modern "shows" and "movies", it is not worth the space on my hard drive.
In my whole life I only preordered a game once. That was Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter. So, it was a physical release and there was a chance I may not get it. There is absolutely no reason to reorder a digital product. They can't run out of them. They can't not be able to keep up with demand.
@@GenericUserName443 There are sites that stream many things too. I don't bother most of the time, but once in a while, I'll watch something on one of them. Putlocker or 123movies.
I don't want games to fail... It just happens so often nowadays that it is more likely i will find a funny video about a failed videogame/movie/franchise than a genuine good piece of mainstream entertainment that suits my taste.
hmn, i'm cheering it on at this point.
i'm sick of these companies subversion of culture and their constant grandstanding on morals and the fact that they want us all to not own our games.
we should want bad things to fail. that's the only way that the world becomes a better place. this isn't rocket science.
Talking of AngryJoe, I don’t know why anyone believes his “outrage” at political topics in games-he was so incensed over what happened in The Last of Us 2…when he was one of Anita’s hardiest champions. He was the one advocating for this…until it affected something he claimed to care about.
He's just playing a role for his audience, like most RUclipsrs.
So, it's not really surprising.
@@stevekramerf242many such cases
@@gamingforever9121 Yup.
His review scores make no sense. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing
@@stevekramerf242 cough Cough Dev! Cough 😷
The coming crash will make the 1983 one look like a joke.
You know the one. The one where ET the video game filled up landfills to the brim
Please remeber that it was a North-America thing, rest of the world was fine.
This incoming crash is caused by idiots from the same region.
Only reason we all have to suffer are the DEI-tentacles that have penetrated every tolerant hole globally. :/
AAA Studios certainly will see a reckoning happen to them and i am all for it.
Yep. The Second Console Crash can't come soon enough.
Nintendo is about to rise from the ashes. Again.
No it's not, the mere notion of a 1983 type crash is ridiculous. First of all, it was an exclusively North American phenomenon because the US business people thought video games was but a mere passing fad to be replaced by the next big thing. Meanwhile the Arcades did just fine, Europe started to embrace the micros and Japan worked feverishly on consoles and micros.
Today gaming is more profitable than the movie and music industry combined. A couple of companies failing because of bad decisions does not make a crash.
Players of Helldives 2 fought the good fight trying to steer it away from the iceberg
but as always, it's the brass that sells out the footmen 😅
this is one reason why i don't like live service games, and now i demand they release modding tools to their game and demand for single player games that aren't tied to servers just to play.
Nadeshot and his ilk show they arent really gamers they are just consumers of games. They dont play indie and they dont explore old games they missed. Its just "give me the latest popular shooter for me to stream on twitch and bitch about how shit it is"
in other words consoomers
No, Mr. marsupial guy, I will not be giving my money to Ubisoft so they continue to feed me slop
Take away Nadeshots money, put him on a avg salary and then tell him the next CoD title will cost 90$, 120$ preorder if he wants the WHOLE game. Money is the worst thing that happened to the gaming industry. Money made gamers suddenly pro gamers, with tournaments and leagues. Money made the developers cut corners and stop caring. Money made the investors and publishers focus on "number goes up".
I don't know where you picked this idea up but video games have always been expensive. A $50 game in the PS1 era would be $90 today
@@majob You forgot to take into account salary and money income. An adjusted "$90" during the PS1 was a lot easier to buy than $90 nowadays, because inflation has been ramping up, but salaries haven't for vast majority of people.
@@majob And I don't know how you forgot how money back then went further and games were worth their money back then, more often then not. Massive difference..
Not to mention toxicity both in terms of just players being tools to each other more than normal I mean, corrupt monetization and ad pushing, endless and often malignant patches, the Live Service scam model, censorship for network TV among other things, all in large part stem from E sports as a transmission vector. Esports and it's consequences have been a disaster for gaming.
@@NeptasAdjusted for inflation video games have never been a cheap hobby as I said before. Part of the reason Playstation was so successful is because it was so cheap compared to its competition and this was at a price point of $300 which still makes some people scoff today. SNES and Genesis games were even costlier, N64 games priced regularly at $60 and $70. Gaming has never been cheap. PC and digital becoming the norm is why price points have vastly shifted from the extremely cheap to the fully priced
We want bad ideas to fail yeah. Those who can't understand this really need to get off their copium and wake up.
They won't until it starts negatively affecting them.
Whenever someone says "The entire video game industry is dying! We need to save it, or we'll have nothing to play ever again!" its clear they only ever play "AAA" crap. Because this crash is really only affecting the top levels of the industry. Indie games are doing just fine. Thriving even. They're the little rodents that have been living in fear of the giant dinosaurs that dominated the ecosystem for so long. But, now that the ice age is upon us, the massive dinosaurs that refuse to adapt are starving to death, and those tricky little rodents are slowly taking over their world.
And sure, there are plenty of indie flops, too. But the scale is entirely different. When an indie game fails, it doesn't destroy multiple studios and end the careers of thousands of developers like it would at the "AAA" level.
The industry isn't dying, its just going through changes that are long overdue. It will be a painful process for a lot of people. But hopefully we'll all end up better off in the end.
but what's stopping the indies from following the same footsteps that the AAA games did, the AAA game companies allowed investors to change their politics and made them hire blue haired activists and caused games to become lower grade crap over time.
you want them to not fall in these gaps of bad judgment, but the bigger a company is the more likely they are to fall in these traps and lose their way.
@@5226-p1e Well, we just keep sticking to the usual routine of supporting companies that try to make good games, and criticize or even boycott those that start to make terrible games. If we're stricter about it with our wallets, we can ensure that nothing becomes quite as bloated again (like keeping them simply mammal sized rather than dinosaur sized, to fit with the metaphor).
@@5226-p1e I think the hope is more that the investor caste implodes under the wieght of their sins before they fully subvert indie but honestly they've already done a lot of work towards that already it's just decentralized enough that it's not total like with AAA. I have 0 faith in a market solution TBH this is going to require state intervention to solve even if only to cut off the ill gotten supply of tax dollars to the investor caste so they don't have de facto infinite funds anymore.
Based analogy
@@5226-p1eIndie games fill a niche. They have no choice but to cater to their audience. They have no safety net if they decide to release broken games.
Major corporations LOVE free market capitalism until they realize that their customers were loyal to the quality not to the brand.
Arch, Nadeshot is a Call of Duty player that owns a League of Legends esports team. All the stuff you explain here would just go in his left ear and flow right out the other one and he'd still hit you with "Huh? Sooo why do gamers hate gaming studios?".
He's an uninformed rich guy who gets his information about the world from reading Pokimane's twitter and all his opinions and statements show just that - he lives in a bubble and is afraid of it bursting
That's most of these guys in this sector of the industry. I don't know of many who care about the industry at large and just use it to get their bag and that's that. It's the typical ignorance not that differ than the normies or casual players/tourists have really.
Gaming corporation: spits in customers face
Customer: flips them the bird and says "I hope you fail."
Internet idiot: "why are you so upset? You just hate games."
"In this the Age of Information, ignorance is ONLY willful and ALWAYS sinful." -Joe (me)
"Why can't we just consoom?!"
Much like comic books, movies, and TV shows, video games lost sight of the most important person in this equation: The consumer.
Investors are important. But the consumer is the one that makes sure the investors get profits.
Programmers are important. But the consumer is the one that make sure they get new projects.
Producers, animators, concept artists, HR, accounting, chief whatever officers. If you are in a product producing company, none of you matter more then the customer. Period.
Because if the customer isn't there, eventually you wont be.
damn, yet another comment i want pinned, very well said sir.
Make
Entertainment
Great
Again
MEGA!!!
I love it!
MEGAAAAAA
Immediately felt both sad and nostalgic because it rhymes with "SEGA", and that classic "seeeegaaaaa!" SFX you'd hear upon booting up older games came to mind.
MEGA!
Point of clarity: we don't want *gaming* to fail. We want specific *games* to fail, especially the ones that prioritize anything other than gameplay, plot, and /or immersion.
There aren’t even midnight releases anymore, and there aren’t any games I would want to wait for.
This guy is a pro FPS player I'll bet he can't name more then 10 games he doesn't get paid for that he has played in the past 5 years.
I guess Xmen 97 is the BG3 of cape TV now?
It's undoubtedly woke, but people swear up and down that "It's actually good!"
I hate that we've devolved so much that reasonable positions (ie punish for mistake, reward for fixes) is untenable simply because the opposition is too unhinged and ideologically fanatic to be expected to do anything other than double down the next go round.
yeah, but this almost feels planned, actually it was by MR. Larry Fink and his investment groups, and i want them to go bankrupt because of it.
by pure accident the man stumbled on the crux of the matter: "When developers want to make good games we should hope for their success" (paraphrase) by logical negation we can say that the following statement is equally true "when developers want to make bad games we should hope for their failure" and enshittification is a thing as sad as it may be. It is duty of the consumer to fight against it and bring down the corporations who lost their way.
its funny when he said "drinking mountain dew" because JD Vance said that he likes mountain dew and its great and he said "watch they gonna take this and say its somehow racist or whatever" and the media attacked him for liking mountain dew calling him weird...WTF? The world has changed bro its not the same as tit was in 2007, that is the problem.
We camped out for past games because the development studios had our trust back then. We forgave things because we trusted them to do their best to make good products. Then we got to the point where "oops, it was a mistake" didn't cover it anymore and our trust was broken. Then we were betrayed by "it wasn't made for you. Don't like it, don't buy". Then we got to today.
"don't you people have phones?"
I don't think we want games to fail, we want games to not suck. Games that suck should fail...because they suck. What we really want is for games to not suck. This should be obvious, but I guess some people are clueless.
Dude doesn’t realize that being cynical about some thing and then being pleasantly surprised is actually more satisfying than hyping yourself up unrealistically and then being disappointed
Constantly being a hype beast eventually leads to burn out
Rejecting FOMO being critical and tempering your expectations is a great way to enjoy things.
That is not to say we should lower standards, but at the same time we should not succumb to hype .
Temperance is usually the best option
I'd rather be pleasantly surprised, than terribly disappointed.
Indies have already beaten the AAA. You could make a game in between you lunch breaks and potentially make a smash hit.
Vampire Survivors proved that.
Contra DLC is more proof.
You are ridiculously hyperbolic here.
@@utarefson9 i didn't say how many lunch breaks. remember that asmongold game.
I'm not buying it. No way you are a gamer and don't know about the woke crap going on in gaming and the Sweet Baby Inc crap which is exactly why people are cheering for these turds to be flushed.
Maybe he got paid by certain factions to say that.
He likely isn't a "gamer", per se. He likely only plays one, maybe two things, and those are competitive, so he doesn't actually know anything.
@@OutLanderUSN Sounds plausible.
That Nadeshot dude looks and sounds like Hassan Piker (🤮) and seems to be about as empty headed as him too.
The thing I'm most interested about in Bloodlines 2 is that does the MC Elder wake up from slumber with the woke haircut or does she go to a barber for it.
Hi! I’m their Barber they them comes in twice a week 😂.
Its such a shame because they could do the clueless vampire in the modern age.
@@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148 Elders are basically gods even among vampires.
@@marcogenovesi8570 I'm aware of the lord but it would be interesting to have them be amazed a phones computer and cars when they first wake up. But I highly doubt that the writers will even bother with that.
I don't any game to suck, but i want games that suck to fail.
we don't
but the developers moved away from art and went for propaganda and exploitation!
I don't get involved in Hype these days
I see it for what it is!
manipulation to get money from you!
my wife says the same shit this guy says. my response is "we don't love to hate. we love to love and we hate that the things we love are turned to shit."
Even if they make something good on occasion, it is usually a bait and switch and the other shoe drops once you get too comfortable.
11:31 Ah... About that. He made all of Beasts old friends forget about him when he first recruited him. And that's just off the top of my head.
@ 1:40 I differentiate between ignorance and sticking ones head in the sand, so personally I'd say 3 reasons why people wouldn't be in the know.
Sticking ones head in the sand is ignorance.
@suiri277 "willful" ignorance is worse, in my opinion.
@@Fisthammet of the two I'd agree, but I wouldn't argue ignoring a problem being worse than malice as one is willfully making things worse whilst the other chooses not to address it.
The fact that even the "neutral" players are discussing this is a good sign. Usually you would be met with anger for being a "pessimist" and be dismissed, but this line of questioning opens an avenue for dialogue. And with that, we have an oportunity to slide them into our side.
Ya Boi Zack (formally Diversity & Comics) needs to understand this too.
No he just need to shut his mouth and draw rather than spend his time drama farming untill the books he promised and sold are actually done and in the hands of the people who paid him.
@@vonfaustien3957 Drama farming is his marketing strategy. At least YBZ (unlike a lot of comics makers) has the business sense to mention his active campaigns in every. single. video.
Zack naive old man, c'mon .... people still not understanding that wokies come not to steal yours job/spot but rather so that un-woke was a outcast, basically very same bullies that been abusing nerds in the past now ruling over nerd's culture.
You seen what they did to Flash Thompson character in Holland Spider-Man? .... "He isn't bully, just misunderstood indian man" ... because they afraid to show real abuse, not censored blood and trauma, and that being good nerd not always pays off with reward, this why Tobey's Spider-Man until this day best live-action SM story, but modern woke cinema will never portray nerds as victim - because how else they gonna blame it all on them later with incel accusations.
@@harbl99 he also has rhe sense to actually finish and ship books something a lot of indi comic makers can't seem to manage.
You can mock the ripperverse on the writting front if you want but the fact he's actually shipping on time consistently puts him well ahead of a lot of detractors
We're not happy with how video games have changed (low quality, DLC, prices, lack of real ownership, censorship, DEI, agendas...), and we wish for them to fail so that companies recognize what customers truly want: a return to the quality of the past. It's not rocket science.
Doesn't he play Call of Duty for a living? This guy doesn't have ANY room to talk.
Every word he said I'm just thinking, "oh I wish how I could be where he's at, again". Oblivious and not aware of all the rot and festering behind the scenes.
As much as it physically hurts me as a fan of the original X-Men Animated Series, I will cheer on the failure of the "X-Men '97" second season for the sake of teaching these megacorps that Woke is Broke.
Games that target gamers succeed.
Those which target the fabled Modern Audience, fail.
This is a period of correction, not of decline.
someone needs to pin this comment!
Yes I do indeed want bad games to fail, how did you know.
Its kinda is funny he says your going to be sitting hear playing old games. When in reality that is what i do half the freaking time. Hell i am replaying dead space 2 for the 8th time. Because in the end the new games are Kinda shit. In fact their is very little in the way of exiting content coming out.
We could also point out that most "new" games for the last decade are sequels, spin-offs and spiritual successors of old games. If you play most "new" games, you are really just playing old games with updated graphics and probably worse game play.
I'm puzzled as to where all these people complaining about "not enough games to play" are. Most of the people I know have ended up playing older games since they end up being more fun. Currently I'm playing City of Heroes (an MMO that came out in 2004), Lord of the Rings Online (a 2007 MMO) and Medieval Dynasty, the only "new-ish" game that I'm playing. And even that came out in 2020, four years ago.
How do you play City of Heroes? There's no more servers
@@stevenedwards8353
There have been a few open servers with various rulesets running for 5-6 years. The one I'm on, Homecoming, actually got licensed by NCSoft earlier this year, so it's official and approved.
@@stevenedwards8353 CoH Homecoming is a community of private servers that host and even update the game (for free). They went public a few years a go actually, and earlier this year I believe they brokered a deal with NCsoft to continue hosting the servers with permission form the IP holder.
I don't "want" games to fail, but sometimes it HAS TO HAPPEN, especially if said failure comes from hubris or incompetence.
Yep, big game studios speak only one language: that of profits.
Have he seen what were they offering?!?!?!
I'm from the generation where you went into the store and bought the game, owned it, and it was a complete game.
Today it always feels like the games are incomplete, you don't own it, they can take it away at any time, and the games are not as playable anymore. Most stuff I don't care about, but modern games just don't look like fun.
I find I'll go back to my old games because they are still enjoyable despite the 'bad' graphics.
And the idea of wanting a game to fail is nothing new. It was around even back then. This guy is in a big bubble.
I find it strange that at a time when producers can most unite with consumers to create even better products, it is the time when we most have the "Producer vs. Consumer" mentality. Must be because of the old saying "don't meet your heroes" or something.
Hell, this isn't even going on solely in the gaming sector. There is a ton of anti-consumer sentiment across the board, and more and more people need to wake up to it.
"Modern Audiences" games are more concerned with preaching and earning investments from big firms, and the devs/writers/CEOs self-report constantly by saying they "hate gamers".
They're *not making the game for me,* and they *claim to hate me.*
_Why would I ever give them my money?_
This is why now that I found Never Winter Nights, i found enough gameage to last me the next few years.
We don't want games to fail, but gamers can recognize patterns and became pretty good at separating the wheat from the chaff.
And let's be honest: the industry creates a lot of chaff nowadays.
The sheer irony of a CoD youtuber to have a talkimg point about playing the same games for years. That's how his franchise has worked since forever.
Why do I root for some games to fail? Certain devs and journalists despise my ilk for wrong-think. I don't engage with them on social media, but they don't want or need my money. They've done a poor job of convincing me to give them my money. When their studio closes, we need to be extra empathetic to their plight. No.
I'll take my modded out older games and just straight-up classics before I drop money on anything.
I remember some professor on a public lecture about tech a few years ago made a statement about entertainment, the lecture was about big data by the way. He said that today (as in was it 5-6 years ago) there is already exabytes worth of entertainment materials that you will not be able to consume them all by watching/playing them continuously for 100 years without sleeping.
Seriously, this needs to be explained to a professional gamer?
"professional gamer"😁😁.
It goes to show that even people who partake in the same activities can still be dead wrong on aspects about it.
@stevekramerf242 Well, that is how he makes his living. Dude pays his bills with it.
@@daviddesrosiers1946 Nothing wrong with that. But a lot of them won't really admit this.
_Someone_ will make the games we want. When the major companies fail, new ones will crop up.
Capitalism has its problems, but this is capitalism at its finest.
If you don't give the people what they want, you fail. Full stop.
Gaming is a house. It is infested with termites, roaches and other lovely things that got in because of a negligent owner, despite warnings from people who rent it, aka gamers.
The house can't get better as long as the owner acts that way.
However, if you destroy the house, methodically clean up the land, and either change owner or make him understand why he should never had let the bugs thrive despite us renter's warnings, it CAN be rebuilt.
Nice Asmong reference. :D
The funny thing is fan backlash isn't overly effective. They aren't talking about a super organized boycott or anything. It's just millions of individuals saying "pass". In fact the few times gamers tried to organize and boycott on purpose, it usually failed. Plus half the time the only argument is "you can't comment on a game unless you buy it".
Even companies use this line. Because at it's core that is all they care about, getting your money. Who cares if their game is absolutely hated and despised if people still bought it the company is happy. This is never more obvious than the lies companies spin when a broken game comes out and they keep promising to "Fix it later", then abandon updates a few months after release and they have your money.
We are in the modern gaming crash, it only not being called that. AND it well deserved.
7:55 "Progressivism" goes back much further than Antonio Gramsci ("22 January 1891 - 27 April 1937, an Italian Marxist philosopher, linguist, journalist, writer, and politician). One needs to go to the foundation of the Fabian Society at least ("The Fabian Society is a British socialist organisation whose purpose is to advance the principles of social democracy and democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist effort in democracies, rather than by revolutionary overthrow. Founded 4 January 1884; 140 years ago. Early Fellowship members included the visionary Victorian elite, among them poets Edward Carpenter and John Davidson, sexologist Havelock Ellis, and early socialist Edward R. Pease."), the founding year of which delectably gave its title to Orwell's satire "1984".
Sounds like a naive child off the rip. “Game studios aren’t going to green light any new games!!”
If he truly thinks that, he has no idea how the stock market or any business works. It’s all about cash flow and growth. Ubisoft, who’s about to have two flops (hopefully,) cannot just decide to not make any games. They’ll need to pivot and do better by laying off the wokies that made such awful games as to not sell even enough to break even.
They’ll need to downsize and focus on making a game that we will WANT to play or the top stockholders are going to lose A LOT of money and CEOs and board members could face heavy fines and maybe even jail time for not doing everything they can to protect people’s investment in their company.
They won’t get rid of their best talent that pointed out the flaws and said “this game isn’t what people want.” Instead those people will be promoted and looked to in order for the next game to be a hit. And if the game studio doesn’t do that, then it deserves to go bankrupt and be bought out for pennies on the dollar by somebody or company that will.
Propaganda doesn't sell.
It is the worst product to ever exist.
Apart from accidental buys, being tricked into buying it, people do not even want it for free when they know that it is propaganda. They will not even want it if you pay them to take it.
If your product is propaganda, you are burning money, as if on advertisement, but not normal advertisement, as the advertisement itself is the product. Nobody wants that.
He means if we keep criticizing EA, they won't release another F1 game in which you can buy chairs and couchs with real money to decorate you driver's fake living room?
The horror.
Being serious, nobody is hoping that games will fail. Even Baldurs Gate 3 being woke as it is, it was still a good game. And when Helldiver 2 was announced everyone fucking one wanted that game to be massive. But people aren't blind, and when they see the game devs trying to push forward bullshit, and in a crap game no less, no mercy is offered.
I don't hope that games will fail, I just don't buy games that looks like it's not for me.
I'm not afraid of being stuck with older games, older games are already on the rise because of the modern trends.
Of course, people DO want companies to understand that giving us worse products isn't profitable, but calling them out isn't what's making them worse products.
Bloodlines 2 is a result of modern VTM that is basically a child of this time, WoD was always political but it is now a reflection of our time. All is just a political stand and is very much woke as they come. V5 and W5 are HORRIBLE and i've being playing these since the 90's.
Nadeshot pretending like the entire artform of video games will cease to exist if the AAA publishers go out of business for making rubbish games is like saying movies wouldn't exist without Hollywood. We want talented and passionate people getting the attention, praise and rewards that they deserve, but right now that doesn't happen because these huge companies overshadow them artificially by spending millions on marketing for games like Assassin's Creed which are essentially just videogame fast food.
I'd say you're expecting too much from the guy.
Much like Arch I didn't even know this guy existed until I watched this video, but just listen to 4:55 when he tries to list any old game and he lists a COD game.
This tells me the dude doesn't play anything outside COD, and if thst's the case there's no way he can give a valid opinion about the industry in general.
If a game isn’t fun, then it doesn’t deserve to be bought and played.