I bought a BMC Roadmachine 01 last year and just love it. I am 67, and this bike with compact gearing and relaxed geometry has given me a re found enthusiasm for cycling. Running 28 mm tyres, so it is very comfortable.
Its not comfortable at all. Endurance bikes are tuned for a different riding philosophy. Standing on pedals is bicycle riding. Sitting whilst in motion is taking a rest from standing.
I have an endurance and a race bike, I like both for their own character. My endurance bike is made of reynolds 853 tubing with carbon stays, it is stable even with full camping gear (sleeping bag, tent, change of clothes, electronics, food and a tooth brush) on skinny 25mm tires. The Scandium framed racer has a shorter wheelbase, is lower, has a longer stem and a narrower handlebar. Switching often between both bikes I've learned that they actually complement each other to improve myself as a rider. While e.g. I still ride with a 50/34 crankset on my endurance bike, I came to appreciate the 52/36 on my 'racer' and can still climb the same steep mountains ⛰️ here in Taiwan. Many challenges on a bike are rather mentally than equipment-wise, have to do more with nutrition, training, preparation and fit rather than expensive new hardware. I am 60 years old and ride 7000kms/year.
Would like to see the comparison between a gravel and endurance bike. Take something like the Domane and Checkpoint, where the Domane can accommodate 38s. Put the same 38c on both bikes and go beat and smash them through cx courses, single track, gravel and rip them on a road and see how they compare.
I have a endurance bike and a gravel bike and other than the feeling of speed being greater on the endurance bike there really isn’t much in it when it comes to performance.
Own an Orbea Orca and looking only to do endurance rides and events. The relaxed geometry and wider tire clearance makes the ride more fun and less painful after a 4-5 hour ride.
Fit is definitely the #1 thing to look for here... I have long legs and short torso and could not find a bike that fit me at 180cm with a 85cm inseam, went through 15 bikes within a year (BMC, Cervelo, Giant, Bianchi, Argon, Trek and more) in sizes 54/56 in race/endurance/aero. Welp, weeks ago I've finally found one that was definitely not supposed to fit according to hours of research: a 56cm M/L 20210 Giant Propel Adv Pro, this had the furthest reach on paper (bad for short torso) but the larger frame size increased the stack perfectly in a way that made it much more comfortable than any 54cm endurance/race bike I had. I never thought I was going to be able to ride an aero bike due to my body proportion ratio but wow, sometimes reading forums for 100+ hours is counter productive. Weird enough, I've had 56cm Giant Defy Adv Pro and Cervelo R3 that has even larger stack and shorter reach but they could not fit me right. That feeling on the first ride on a bike that fits made my usual 25km test ride into my first 100km ride with ease. I felt one with the bike.
I own a Scott Addict 10 and for an endurance bike it is on the more sportive side. Especially if you look on the stack to reach ratio, which is quite aggressive compared to other endurance bikes like the canyon endurace.
Riding a Specialized Allez Elite here, I'm not a racer but with 28mm tires and after upgrading the brakes (to 105 R7000 calipers) it's a comfy confident little bike great for group rides and munching miles, and it looks great too.
My 10 yr old Equilibrium fits very firmly in the endurance category. So versatile: It acts as a commuter, tourer and even the occasional Sportive. Definitely buy a bike thinking about what you'll be using it for. I'm never going to be racing, so that bike fits my purpose perfectly
First ride on my new Canyon Endurace CF SLX this weekend. Upgrading from a 2020 Giant TCR Adv Pro 1 in size M. I used the Canyon chart and chose a size S. Dimension wise, there is very little difference - maybe a cm here or there. Seat to hoods - same. Top of hoods to the ground - same. Sure, there might be other differences around wheelbase, chainstay and top tube, but the reach and bar height feels similar. What is quite different though is the ride quality. Much more composed. Much less "darty" with cross winds, and much more direct at speed. Fewer road vibrations with 30/32 tyres, compared to the 25's on the Giant. No doubt the DT Swiss wheels are an improvement over the SLR 1's. This bike is 800g lighter, has a broader range of gears, and is more comfortable, even though it feels the same in terms of height/reach.
Thanks of the video. I’m firmly in Camp Endurance. I’m running 29 mm ENVE tires and may switch to 31s in the future. The line between gravel and endurance bikes is really starting to blur and, even though I love my Allied Alfa, if I had it to do over again I might just go with a gravel bike and two wheelsets.
No its not starting to blur at all. Endurance bikes are designed to reduce the amount of sideways wobble and put all that wasted energy into forwards motion. Different riding philosophy. Racing bikes allow mid corner changes in direction. You're able to overtake another rider when cornering. Endurance bikes DON'T allow mid corner changes in direction.
We're obviously hugely lucky to be in a bike manufacturing era where these subtle and not so subtle differences present us with a huge range of choices of types and brands, but yes, I would be very interested in a video of endurance vs gravel, in my quest to find the best all rounder fast functional and fun bike!
Wrong. The endurance bike doesn't wobble from side to side when you ride it. All sideways wobble gets transfered into forward motion. There's gravel and gravel endurance bikes. If you ride the gravel endurance bike it does 50% less sideways wobble. It travels further in a straight line. You must choose a path for the corner you're about to ride into cause the endurance bike doesn't allow you to change your path, mid corner. The bike is designed to stick to the path you chose. The bike resists all sideways wobble and steering changes.
Nice explainer video. I would really like to see a video comparing endurance and gravel bikes. I have a gravel bike with two sets of wheels, a gravel wheel set with 43c wide tyres and a carbon wheel set with 28c tyres. On the road, with the carbon wheels, my gravel bike feels both quite comfortable and agile. It looks like the lines are blurring! Thanks for posting.
I have a Canyon Grail (7 AL) that I use as an endurance road bike most days. Swap on some lighter wheels with 28mm tires and it does fine on tarmac. Rougher stuff, gravel wheels with 40mm tires. For the really rough stuff I switch to a Salsa Cutthroat. The grail has its limits.
I've been tinkering with my Domane 2.0 over it's lifetime to make it more like a race bike - optimize my position for comfort and speed. Narrower bars, longer stem, slammed steerer tube, and just got some budget aero wheels (Bontrager Aeolus Comp 5.)
Trek Domane works for me. Endurance bikes are perfect. Leave the aero race bikes to the whippet sized super flexible 23 year pro rider who is getting paid to ride that type of bike.
I started by looking at endurance bikes to replace my very old road bike but ended up going with an all road bike that had very similar geometry but could accommodate up to 38mm tires.
Endurance bikes resist sideways wobble when riding. You can't overtake another rider midway through a corner, for example. They don't allow you to change direction once you're committed to a line. You can change direction 3 times in a corner on a normal racing bike. Racing bikes wobble from side to side when being riden. All those wobbles is wasting energy. Endurance bikes are tuned for a different riding philosophy. If you ride solo, you don't require a bike that can change direction 3 times in a corner. You're paying for abilities that you don't use.
@firemedic I ended up with a Lightspeed Cherohala, but a Specialized Roubaix or a Trek Domaine are both excellent substitutes. Giant also has a similar style of bike, and I would bet Canyon has one as well
Thank you for is topic. I have changed the wheels for a Mavic 1500 gr set on my Giant Defy Advanced 2 and changed also the tyres of 32 to 28 Conti GP 5000 TL. I won 1 kilo and I got a completely different bike, much faster, incisive and playful. By lowering the stem almost to the maximum, the stack is almost that of a race bike. My legs are more limiting than my bike (i have 56) !
I've been riding road bikes since I was 20 and most of the time classic race bikes like the Trek 5500 OCLV 120, but have massively over-trained myself and need to take a break, I've sold all the road bikes except one.... my endurance bike. When I get back on my bike after 1.5 years, I will have the least problems with that bike.
Look at the geo for that scott bike, in a size 56 its got a reach of 390 and a stack of 572, that's almost the same as some race bikes. Its slightly more aggressive than cannondale supersix and about the same as a orbea orca. Why did they bother.
I have a Cannondale CX bike (CAADX) I put new wheels and tires on for the road. I had a Synapse, kind of regretting selling it, but I've been looking at a Supersix Evo now.
A comparison of gravel and endurance bikes from the same manufacturer would be interesting. It is still uncommon to find a bike shop (or even multiple shops in the same region) that has two different types of bikes in my size to test-ride before purchasing. After a 10-month wait, I now have a Trek Checkpoint SL6 etap gravel bike to replace my 16-year-old road bike. The Trek Domane SL6 in my size (62) is not expected to arrive at my local bike shop until October...maybe. I live near the Santa Cruz Mountains in California, and almost all of my rides involve climbing (and descending) multiple 5 percent to 15% grades. I would have bought the Domane if it had arrived before the Checkpoint. The second larger chainring would have been useful for the flats. But I'm very happy with the Checkpoint; I don't have to deal with a 2x front derailleur, and having a single 40t chainring with a 10-44 cassette for the climbs is fantastic. The GR1 40c tires and Bontrager comp 25 wheels were replaced with a Hunt carbon wheelset and 38c slick GravelKing tires. Now I have two wheelsets, one for the road and one for gravel. I can keep up with most people my age (60+) who ride only road bikes. BTW, country roads in the mountains do not have perfect tarmac, so wider tires are extremely beneficial.
I have an Argon 18 Krypton which is considered an "endurance" bike. I did modify it to have racier features like stiffer wheels and narrow handlebars. I do appreciate the 50-34 crank though as it allows a 11-25 cassette to be run for pretty much everything.
I got a Cervelo Caledonia and its an awesome bike for me. I was able to ride it against giant, trek, BMC at the same shop. When I finally decided on a bike I actually went to the shop to pick up a Domiane but left with the Cervelo with mechanical Ultegra group set. I’m riding it with 28’s, I’m a recreational rider not into the racing scene but I do love the bike because it does go pretty quick. Maybe one day I will upgrade wheel set to carbon for some extra speed.
I have a 2016 Trek Domane, which came with Ultegra Di2 and a compact (50/34) chain rings, I swapped those chainrings for Semi Compact (52/36), and more recently swapped in a set of aero wheels. The Aero Wheels definitely improved performance over the standard alloy hoops. Great bike, and definitely sits squarely in the endurance category. But I will go for aero frame next time, cause even though I do tend to want to do sportives / challenge rides. Than out and out racing, I think the newer aero frames, which have a little compliance built in , and factor in some Gel cork bar tape even gel inserts, will suit more, than the Domane, which has to much compliance for most of the road surfaces I have ever ridden on.
I'm looking at the 5.9 Domane but 2015 model, can get a good deal on a 58 model. I'm hesitant on size as I'm 185cm and the 60cm may suit me better, I know I should just try but it's a bit of a drive. Just wondering which size do you ride and would you think the 58 would just be fine for me being 185cm? Thanks
@@prins2x think with a 58 frame ( looking at current frame sizing) you would at the upper limit of the frame size at 185, give it a test ride or a try before you buy, you may find you fit okay everyone is different. I ride a 58, and I am183 and with my model I think 183 was the bottom end of the 58.
Yeah, comparing a gravel bike to an endurance one seems like a natural next step. My vote goes to Yes. Another question that I see that people have on forums is in relation to road e-bikes: pros and cons of ebikemotion X35 hub drive bikes like for example Orbea Gain D to mid-drive equivalents like Cannondale Synapse Neo. Both are considered to be endurance ebikes, but what's the difference between those two different concepts?
i really wanted to buy an Endurace but it seems they have supply chain issues and after six months of waiting for one in my size i gave up and purchased a Cervelo C3, which i'm happy with.
I have a 20yr old steel road bike with racy geometry (chain stay less than 410mm and standard 700x23 tyres. I had the rear dropouts modified to allow wider tyres so they would not rub on the downtube with 28s. Now a 30c just fits front and rear but I have since tried and fitted 650x38 tires, only 4mm shorter than the stock tires, which has transformed the ride. Little change in agility or speed but another level of comfort. That is with rim brakes and long reach calipers. I am a large rider (185cm and over 110kg) so weight is not my first priority and only ride solo or with group tours.
Still have a BMC Impec, which could be considered an aero bike i suppose…using a 40cm wide handle bar, anything wider and i feel like being a windscreen ;) Probably will keep riding the Impec for a bit, even though tire clearance is limoted to basicly 23mm…
We're all spoilt for choice atm, Race, Cyclo-cross, endurance and Gravel etc.. I've got a Canyon Ultimate CF F10 running 28's I find wider tyres puts it in between endurance and race bikes, but with more emphasis on the race aspect! Bought a gravel bike, not for me tbh, you find you're doing 80% Road and 20% gravel. Bear in mind that gravel bikes are mainly aimed at the American and Canadian markets. They're also, in my experience terrible on mtb territory just not up to the job. Cyclo-cross are good for steady commuting other than that you can't beat a good road bike imo
How correct is the position of the back while riding drops on the endurance bikes? Does the shorter reach make you feel like you're folding over yourself? Leaving aero aside, Are road bike drops more ergonomic for the body than endurance bikes?
Specialized Aethos nicely combines race bike handling with endurance bike comfort. Someone fittingly described it as ”endurance bike on steroids”. Having ridden about 300 km by now, I must say it is a bit strange one: very calm in slow speeds and yet very stable in higher speeds. My earlier bike CAAD9 could be described very nimble, indeed!
If you race to any decent standard, then get a Race bike. Otherwise, get an Endurance bike, your body will thank you. However, you see far too many people copying the pros with a race bike, with an aggressive fit, a slammed stem, and they're carrying a bit of timber. Why? Pros are used to that position and do exercises to help; doing a 9-5 desk job isn't quite the same. Stop copying the pros and get the best bike for you.
Good Day Road CC, I am a total newbie to road cycling whom have not try to ride on the road with a proper road bike. I’ve only ridden with my current hybrid/Mtb bike on pavement in a city, park connectors and only a short distance on quiet road. However, I have follow-up and watched some of your videos and I have the intention of getting my first road bike. Having said that, I will need your opinion on either getting a endurance or race bike, eg. Giant Defy/S. Roubaix vs Giant TCR range type even from other brands out there. I have done some research with regards to the pros/cons and features of endurance vs race bike, but I’m still in a dilemma of whether which one is most suitable for a true beginner like me whom have never have the experience and courage to ride one on the road despite me being able to ride over a fairly long distance. Will appreciate your prompt reply as you guys are more professional for me to seek opinion with. Thank you🙏🏻😀
An endurance bike is a road bike. An endurance bike aka ratio of height to length a for person with shorter torso and longer legs is the same fit as a person with short legs and long torso on what you call a road bike. They are both road bikes.
I am torn between Scott Speedster 10 and Specialized Allez Sport Disc, what do you recommend? Scott has 105 and allez has tiagra but i'm still not sure.
Jamie's opening statement about the endurance bike is that it's good for people who are inflexible... as if this is the reason endurance riders choose that bike. Is this a Freudian slip? I mean, some road bike riders have such narrow vision they can't fathom why you'd choose any other bike unless you had a physical ailment or something. Maybe Jamie is one of these people, maybe he isn't. At the very least, his opening statement did not sound very flattering towards endurance riders.
Apologies for any offence caused, we do maintain that flexibility is a key factor when choosing a bike type though. Elite riders (I.e who most race bikes are designed for) are insanely flexible due to regular strength and conditioning sessions and 20+ hours in this position per week year round. In our experience most cyclists (especially our audience) will be much happier and comfortable on an endurance style bike with more relaxed geometry. Not because they have a physical ailment but simply because most of us simply aren’t as conditioned for the super aggressive positions that race bikes lend themselves to
I am consistently 1 MPH slower on my Trek Domane over my Trek Emonda on solo rides. Both have stems as low as they can go. No doubt the Domane is way more comfortable. Both serve a purpose for my riding.
Scott addict 10 is an endurance bike, all other Scott addict bikes especially pro level are some of the most uncomfortable bikes in the current high end road race bikes category. Unless you put some supper wide tires Scott addict is way too stiff. I bought the pro with new 9270 and tired with every hookless/ tubeless since the 303s are hookless…. tire available and it continued to be way too stiff. Could care less what pros ride, normal people need bikes that can be ridden for at least 90 minutes without feeling sore next day. This is a misleading comparison, this bike from Scott should not be called endurance bike…. It should have it own category in Scott line.
This is my first road ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and I have taken it out a handful of times and so far it is exceeding all of my expectations. I didn’t want to break the bank on a first bike and the herd is a great option for getting a fast bike with reliable components. I plan on riding this bike for many years to come. Thank you Sava!
Canyon CF-SLX is as racy as id ever want to get. I’m 72 and do long, multi-day charity rides, centuries etc. and I don’t (as most of us mortals) have the flexibility, power or youth to ride full race bikes.
Personally, I don't really see the point of endurance bikes. I came from entry-level bikes to stiffer and more aerodynamic “pro” race machines. With all the years I spent with endurance geometry entry-level bikes as a student with little budget, I am inevitably correlating “endurance geometry” with “less capability”. Now I am having more budget and I am flexible while I am still young, why waste my time and turn back toward the boring moving sofas?
You're way off , totally wrong. The endurance bike travels further for the same number of pedal strokes. Endurance bikes reduce the amount of wasted energy consumed from sideways wobble. The endurance bike doesn't wobble from side to side. Sideways wobble when riding a bike causes a loss of forward motion. Sideways wobble causes muscles to expend energy. So after 10 minutes of riding your back muscles are in much better shape cause you haven't been using those muscles. Normally those muscles are causing wobbles and also try to prevent the wobble during the ride. You never mentioned riding wobble. You never talk about reducing wobble so you can travel in a straight line better. The endurance bike is tuned to drive better in a straight line. You approach the ride from a different perspective. You can't change your line midway through the execution. Its perfectly acceptable to endurance ride for 10 minutes. Its a riding philosophy. The bike is tuned for the riding philosophy.
I tried. But I. Couldn’t. Watch the. Scripted commentary. Any longer… I’m sure. It was a. Good. Summary of.the difference between. Road bikes and. Endurance. Bikes but. I just became. Irritated by the. Obvious reading and. Lack of commitment to. The content being. Read out. Please try a more conversational approach to your content. 👍
Virtually any bike can be set up to be more aggressive (aero) or less aggressive (endurance)--and that's the way it was traditionally done for decades--using more or less spacers and different size/shape stems. Endurance bikes--with a capital E--simply come out of the box in a more comfortable position (vs Racing bikes). I've owned 400 to 500 bikes over the past 20 yrs and have noticed very little difference in my performance on the bikes--barring a few specific models that just "felt" faster from day 1. (Some models of note that I was noticeably faster on: Specialized Venge(s), Trek 5900(s), Fondriest TF(s), and just about any S-Works bike (road or mountain). ) I've had racing bikes with short head tubes that were set up with tall steer tubes / spacers and endurance bikes with tall head tubes that were set up slammed. There are SO many factors that affect your comfort and performance on a bike... and most of them having nothing to do with the frames.
😲 That's an average of about 22 bikes a year you've owned. Good on you. I barely have time to ride the 2 I have. I've switched some bikes out over the years for wanting to try different materials or geometries...but wow!
I bought a BMC Roadmachine 01 last year and just love it. I am 67, and this bike with compact gearing and relaxed geometry has given me a re found enthusiasm for cycling. Running 28 mm tyres, so it is very comfortable.
I own a BMC Roadmachine 01 too and love it too…!
Its not comfortable at all.
Endurance bikes are tuned for a different riding philosophy.
Standing on pedals is bicycle riding.
Sitting whilst in motion is taking a rest from standing.
I have an endurance and a race bike, I like both for their own character. My endurance bike is made of reynolds 853 tubing with carbon stays, it is stable even with full camping gear (sleeping bag, tent, change of clothes, electronics, food and a tooth brush) on skinny 25mm tires. The Scandium framed racer has a shorter wheelbase, is lower, has a longer stem and a narrower handlebar. Switching often between both bikes I've learned that they actually complement each other to improve myself as a rider. While e.g. I still ride with a 50/34 crankset on my endurance bike, I came to appreciate the 52/36 on my 'racer' and can still climb the same steep mountains ⛰️ here in Taiwan. Many challenges on a bike are rather mentally than equipment-wise, have to do more with nutrition, training, preparation and fit rather than expensive new hardware. I am 60 years old and ride 7000kms/year.
Would like to see the comparison between a gravel and endurance bike. Take something like the Domane and Checkpoint, where the Domane can accommodate 38s. Put the same 38c on both bikes and go beat and smash them through cx courses, single track, gravel and rip them on a road and see how they compare.
I'd be surprised if there is a massive difference between them; both look to do a bit of everything.
I have a endurance bike and a gravel bike and other than the feeling of speed being greater on the endurance bike there really isn’t much in it when it comes to performance.
Own an Orbea Orca and looking only to do endurance rides and events. The relaxed geometry and wider tire clearance makes the ride more fun and less painful after a 4-5 hour ride.
Fit is definitely the #1 thing to look for here... I have long legs and short torso and could not find a bike that fit me at 180cm with a 85cm inseam, went through 15 bikes within a year (BMC, Cervelo, Giant, Bianchi, Argon, Trek and more) in sizes 54/56 in race/endurance/aero.
Welp, weeks ago I've finally found one that was definitely not supposed to fit according to hours of research: a 56cm M/L 20210 Giant Propel Adv Pro, this had the furthest reach on paper (bad for short torso) but the larger frame size increased the stack perfectly in a way that made it much more comfortable than any 54cm endurance/race bike I had. I never thought I was going to be able to ride an aero bike due to my body proportion ratio but wow, sometimes reading forums for 100+ hours is counter productive. Weird enough, I've had 56cm Giant Defy Adv Pro and Cervelo R3 that has even larger stack and shorter reach but they could not fit me right.
That feeling on the first ride on a bike that fits made my usual 25km test ride into my first 100km ride with ease. I felt one with the bike.
Good shout at the end on the Canyon Endurace. Love mine and feels it really blends both well
I own a Scott Addict 10 and for an endurance bike it is on the more sportive side. Especially if you look on the stack to reach ratio, which is quite aggressive compared to other endurance bikes like the canyon endurace.
Riding a Specialized Allez Elite here, I'm not a racer but with 28mm tires and after upgrading the brakes (to 105 R7000 calipers) it's a comfy confident little bike great for group rides and munching miles, and it looks great too.
My 10 yr old Equilibrium fits very firmly in the endurance category. So versatile: It acts as a commuter, tourer and even the occasional Sportive. Definitely buy a bike thinking about what you'll be using it for. I'm never going to be racing, so that bike fits my purpose perfectly
Equilibrium is a fantastic all-rounder, dave had one for many years!
First ride on my new Canyon Endurace CF SLX this weekend. Upgrading from a 2020 Giant TCR Adv Pro 1 in size M. I used the Canyon chart and chose a size S. Dimension wise, there is very little difference - maybe a cm here or there. Seat to hoods - same. Top of hoods to the ground - same. Sure, there might be other differences around wheelbase, chainstay and top tube, but the reach and bar height feels similar. What is quite different though is the ride quality. Much more composed. Much less "darty" with cross winds, and much more direct at speed. Fewer road vibrations with 30/32 tyres, compared to the 25's on the Giant. No doubt the DT Swiss wheels are an improvement over the SLR 1's. This bike is 800g lighter, has a broader range of gears, and is more comfortable, even though it feels the same in terms of height/reach.
Thanks of the video. I’m firmly in Camp Endurance. I’m running 29 mm ENVE tires and may switch to 31s in the future. The line between gravel and endurance bikes is really starting to blur and, even though I love my Allied Alfa, if I had it to do over again I might just go with a gravel bike and two wheelsets.
No its not starting to blur at all.
Endurance bikes are designed to reduce the amount of sideways wobble and put all that wasted energy into forwards motion.
Different riding philosophy.
Racing bikes allow mid corner changes in direction. You're able to overtake another rider when cornering.
Endurance bikes DON'T allow mid corner changes in direction.
We're obviously hugely lucky to be in a bike manufacturing era where these subtle and not so subtle differences present us with a huge range of choices of types and brands, but yes, I would be very interested in a video of endurance vs gravel, in my quest to find the best all rounder fast functional and fun bike!
Wouldn't say lucky at all. There are too many choices and the prices are laughable.
Wrong.
The endurance bike doesn't wobble from side to side when you ride it.
All sideways wobble gets transfered into forward motion.
There's gravel and gravel endurance bikes.
If you ride the gravel endurance bike it does 50% less sideways wobble.
It travels further in a straight line.
You must choose a path for the corner you're about to ride into cause the endurance bike doesn't allow you to change your path, mid corner.
The bike is designed to stick to the path you chose.
The bike resists all sideways wobble and steering changes.
Nice explainer video. I would really like to see a video comparing endurance and gravel bikes. I have a gravel bike with two sets of wheels, a gravel wheel set with 43c wide tyres and a carbon wheel set with 28c tyres. On the road, with the carbon wheels, my gravel bike feels both quite comfortable and agile. It looks like the lines are blurring! Thanks for posting.
what bike are you running two wheelsets on?
Reilly Gradient.
I have a Canyon Grail (7 AL) that I use as an endurance road bike most days. Swap on some lighter wheels with 28mm tires and it does fine on tarmac. Rougher stuff, gravel wheels with 40mm tires. For the really rough stuff I switch to a Salsa Cutthroat. The grail has its limits.
I've been tinkering with my Domane 2.0 over it's lifetime to make it more like a race bike - optimize my position for comfort and speed. Narrower bars, longer stem, slammed steerer tube, and just got some budget aero wheels (Bontrager Aeolus Comp 5.)
Yes, pls compare gravel and endurance bikes. Thank you
Trek Domane works for me. Endurance bikes are perfect. Leave the aero race bikes to the whippet sized super flexible 23 year pro rider who is getting paid to ride that type of bike.
I have a giant contend 3. I'm a beginner somewhat. I plan on upgrading in the future. I love riding
will you go race or endurance when you upgrade?
Jamie is an excellent character, calming and whitty! Give him a pay rise!
we should PAY him?
I started by looking at endurance bikes to replace my very old road bike but ended up going with an all road bike that had very similar geometry but could accommodate up to 38mm tires.
Endurance bikes resist sideways wobble when riding.
You can't overtake another rider midway through a corner, for example.
They don't allow you to change direction once you're committed to a line.
You can change direction 3 times in a corner on a normal racing bike.
Racing bikes wobble from side to side when being riden. All those wobbles is wasting energy.
Endurance bikes are tuned for a different riding philosophy.
If you ride solo, you don't require a bike that can change direction 3 times in a corner.
You're paying for abilities that you don't use.
And what is the make and model of this marvelous road bike you so much enjoy. Sounds wonderful.
@firemedic I ended up with a Lightspeed Cherohala, but a Specialized Roubaix or a Trek Domaine are both excellent substitutes. Giant also has a similar style of bike, and I would bet Canyon has one as well
@@DetroitJohnny Thank you.
Thank you for is topic. I have changed the wheels for a Mavic 1500 gr set on my Giant Defy Advanced 2 and changed also the tyres of 32 to 28 Conti GP 5000 TL. I won 1 kilo and I got a completely different bike, much faster, incisive and playful. By lowering the stem almost to the maximum, the stack is almost that of a race bike. My legs are more limiting than my bike (i have 56) !
Excellent discussion, thumbs up!
I've been riding road bikes since I was 20 and most of the time classic race bikes like the Trek 5500 OCLV 120, but have massively over-trained myself and need to take a break, I've sold all the road bikes except one.... my endurance bike.
When I get back on my bike after 1.5 years, I will have the least problems with that bike.
Look at the geo for that scott bike, in a size 56 its got a reach of 390 and a stack of 572, that's almost the same as some race bikes. Its slightly more aggressive than cannondale supersix and about the same as a orbea orca. Why did they bother.
Gravel bike with slick fast rolling tires makes for a great road endurance bike
I’m lucky enough to have both, but for every day training I use the endurance bike and then my race bike for fast club runs or racing.
I ride a trek domane, a sworks Sl7 is for a young 20 year old. I'm in my 60's an Sl7 would kill my back and shoulders.
I have a Cannondale CX bike (CAADX) I put new wheels and tires on for the road. I had a Synapse, kind of regretting selling it, but I've been looking at a Supersix Evo now.
A comparison of gravel and endurance bikes from the same manufacturer would be interesting. It is still uncommon to find a bike shop (or even multiple shops in the same region) that has two different types of bikes in my size to test-ride before purchasing. After a 10-month wait, I now have a Trek Checkpoint SL6 etap gravel bike to replace my 16-year-old road bike. The Trek Domane SL6 in my size (62) is not expected to arrive at my local bike shop until October...maybe. I live near the Santa Cruz Mountains in California, and almost all of my rides involve climbing (and descending) multiple 5 percent to 15% grades. I would have bought the Domane if it had arrived before the Checkpoint. The second larger chainring would have been useful for the flats. But I'm very happy with the Checkpoint; I don't have to deal with a 2x front derailleur, and having a single 40t chainring with a 10-44 cassette for the climbs is fantastic. The GR1 40c tires and Bontrager comp 25 wheels were replaced with a Hunt carbon wheelset and 38c slick GravelKing tires. Now I have two wheelsets, one for the road and one for gravel. I can keep up with most people my age (60+) who ride only road bikes. BTW, country roads in the mountains do not have perfect tarmac, so wider tires are extremely beneficial.
Great idea: Please do compare endurance bikes with gravel bikes👍
I have an Argon 18 Krypton which is considered an "endurance" bike. I did modify it to have racier features like stiffer wheels and narrow handlebars. I do appreciate the 50-34 crank though as it allows a 11-25 cassette to be run for pretty much everything.
I got a Cervelo Caledonia and its an awesome bike for me. I was able to ride it against giant, trek, BMC at the same shop. When I finally decided on a bike I actually went to the shop to pick up a Domiane but left with the Cervelo with mechanical Ultegra group set. I’m riding it with 28’s, I’m a recreational rider not into the racing scene but I do love the bike because it does go pretty quick. Maybe one day I will upgrade wheel set to carbon for some extra speed.
Carbon fabric.
You're going to go to carbon fabric wheels which can crack and shatter.
Its not a trustworthy material.
Would be great to compare in brand, Specialised Tarmac versus Roubaix, Pinarello F versus X, Canyon Aero versus Endurace
I have a 2016 Trek Domane, which came with Ultegra Di2 and a compact (50/34) chain rings, I swapped those chainrings for Semi Compact (52/36), and more recently swapped in a set of aero wheels. The Aero Wheels definitely improved performance over the standard alloy hoops. Great bike, and definitely sits squarely in the endurance category. But I will go for aero frame next time, cause even though I do tend to want to do sportives / challenge rides. Than out and out racing, I think the newer aero frames, which have a little compliance built in , and factor in some Gel cork bar tape even gel inserts, will suit more, than the Domane, which has to much compliance for most of the road surfaces I have ever ridden on.
I'm looking at the 5.9 Domane but 2015 model, can get a good deal on a 58 model. I'm hesitant on size as I'm 185cm and the 60cm may suit me better, I know I should just try but it's a bit of a drive. Just wondering which size do you ride and would you think the 58 would just be fine for me being 185cm? Thanks
@@prins2x think with a 58 frame ( looking at current frame sizing) you would at the upper limit of the frame size at 185, give it a test ride or a try before you buy, you may find you fit okay everyone is different. I ride a 58, and I am183 and with my model I think 183 was the bottom end of the 58.
Yeah, comparing a gravel bike to an endurance one seems like a natural next step. My vote goes to Yes. Another question that I see that people have on forums is in relation to road e-bikes: pros and cons of ebikemotion X35 hub drive bikes like for example Orbea Gain D to mid-drive equivalents like Cannondale Synapse Neo. Both are considered to be endurance ebikes, but what's the difference between those two different concepts?
lots of ideas there!
Just bought a giant Revolt 2 a so-called gravel bike because of supply chain issues 2 local Trek dealers didn't have any domanes in stock!!!
Why choose between the two when you can have BOTH an endurance AND race bike in one bike? Two words: Canyon Endurace.
I bought a 2020 Endurace during covid. It's been great. I'm over it now and looking to get a race bike.
@@JFomo The Endurace IS a race bike. At least for us 50+ year-old MAMILs who don't have the lower back flexibility of a 16 year-old olympic gymnast.
i really wanted to buy an Endurace but it seems they have supply chain issues and after six months of waiting for one in my size i gave up and purchased a Cervelo C3, which i'm happy with.
@@MarcPaulLee All good things in life take time. I waited 9 months for my Disc AL 7.
I also have an Endurace. Fantastic bike. The relaxed geometry makes a big difference on long rides.
I'm all about a road bike/Cyclo-cross bike since I've owned both 😁
I have a 20yr old steel road bike with racy geometry (chain stay less than 410mm and standard 700x23 tyres. I had the rear dropouts modified to allow wider tyres so they would not rub on the downtube with 28s. Now a 30c just fits front and rear but I have since tried and fitted 650x38 tires, only 4mm shorter than the stock tires, which has transformed the ride. Little change in agility or speed but another level of comfort. That is with rim brakes and long reach calipers. I am a large rider (185cm and over 110kg) so weight is not my first priority and only ride solo or with group tours.
sounds great! send us a pic? youtube@road.cc
Still have a BMC Impec, which could be considered an aero bike i suppose…using a 40cm wide handle bar, anything wider and i feel like being a windscreen ;) Probably will keep riding the Impec for a bit, even though tire clearance is limoted to basicly 23mm…
Reckon a Giant Defy with a slammed stem, deep wheels and narrow bars would be fast and responsive? Possible to race or chase KOMs on?
for sure. road.cc/content/review/giant-defy-advanced-pro-3-2021-287353
Yes, PLEASE similarly compare an endurance bike to a gravel bike.
We're all spoilt for choice atm, Race, Cyclo-cross, endurance and Gravel etc.. I've got a Canyon Ultimate CF F10 running 28's I find wider tyres puts it in between endurance and race bikes, but with more emphasis on the race aspect! Bought a gravel bike, not for me tbh, you find you're doing 80% Road and 20% gravel. Bear in mind that gravel bikes are mainly aimed at the American and Canadian markets. They're also, in my experience terrible on mtb territory just not up to the job. Cyclo-cross are good for steady commuting other than that you can't beat a good road bike imo
We are indeed living in very good times for bikes. What are you riding Chris?
How correct is the position of the back while riding drops on the endurance bikes? Does the shorter reach make you feel like you're folding over yourself?
Leaving aero aside, Are road bike drops more ergonomic for the body than endurance bikes?
Specialized Aethos nicely combines race bike handling with endurance bike comfort. Someone fittingly described it as ”endurance bike on steroids”. Having ridden about 300 km by now, I must say it is a bit strange one: very calm in slow speeds and yet very stable in higher speeds. My earlier bike CAAD9 could be described very nimble, indeed!
Expensive bud ?
The Aethos is likely to be Liam's next bike too. Fantastic bike
Please compare gravel vs endurance bike. Thank you
Great explanation i wonder between my cervelo aspero and my specialized roubaix how much of a difference there is
certainly worth looking at the specs, i expect the roubaix is a fair bit taller at the front
The best bike is the one you're riding 👌
word.
Or as Sean Kelly when questioned which was the best bike he rode ? , the one they paid me the most to ride he said !
If you race to any decent standard, then get a Race bike. Otherwise, get an Endurance bike, your body will thank you. However, you see far too many people copying the pros with a race bike, with an aggressive fit, a slammed stem, and they're carrying a bit of timber. Why? Pros are used to that position and do exercises to help; doing a 9-5 desk job isn't quite the same.
Stop copying the pros and get the best bike for you.
Good Day Road CC, I am a total newbie to road cycling whom have not try to ride on the road with a proper road bike. I’ve only ridden with my current hybrid/Mtb bike on pavement in a city, park connectors and only a short distance on quiet road. However, I have follow-up and watched some of your videos and I have the intention of getting my first road bike. Having said that, I will need your opinion on either getting a endurance or race bike, eg. Giant Defy/S. Roubaix vs Giant TCR range type even from other brands out there. I have done some research with regards to the pros/cons and features of endurance vs race bike, but I’m still in a dilemma of whether which one is most suitable for a true beginner like me whom have never have the experience and courage to ride one on the road despite me being able to ride over a fairly long distance. Will appreciate your prompt reply as you guys are more professional for me to seek opinion with. Thank you🙏🏻😀
what did you get ?
Try to get something without disc brakes. Tramac, Post recall?
An endurance bike is a road bike.
An endurance bike aka ratio of height to length a for person with shorter torso and longer legs is the same fit as a person with short legs and long torso on what you call a road bike.
They are both road bikes.
you make a fair point about different geometries suiting different people, but that doesn't make two things that are different the same
I am torn between Scott Speedster 10 and Specialized Allez Sport Disc, what do you recommend? Scott has 105 and allez has tiagra but i'm still not sure.
Great vid. Thank you 👍
I love my Orbea orca Aero with shimano ultegra r8000 mechanic
Jamie's opening statement about the endurance bike is that it's good for people who are inflexible... as if this is the reason endurance riders choose that bike. Is this a Freudian slip? I mean, some road bike riders have such narrow vision they can't fathom why you'd choose any other bike unless you had a physical ailment or something. Maybe Jamie is one of these people, maybe he isn't. At the very least, his opening statement did not sound very flattering towards endurance riders.
Apologies for any offence caused, we do maintain that flexibility is a key factor when choosing a bike type though. Elite riders (I.e who most race bikes are designed for) are insanely flexible due to regular strength and conditioning sessions and 20+ hours in this position per week year round. In our experience most cyclists (especially our audience) will be much happier and comfortable on an endurance style bike with more relaxed geometry. Not because they have a physical ailment but simply because most of us simply aren’t as conditioned for the super aggressive positions that race bikes lend themselves to
@@roadcc That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
I am consistently 1 MPH slower on my Trek Domane over my Trek Emonda on solo rides. Both have stems as low as they can go. No doubt the Domane is way more comfortable. Both serve a purpose for my riding.
My Domane is at least 1 or 2 mph slower than my almost 20 year old road bike. I guess it's the 32 mm tires, but the down tube is crazy wide
Newbie riders: endurance bike is touring bike
Cancellara: *won many classic races and yellow jersey tdf on endurance bike*
Why does the the Scott have sooo many spacers? Looks really off
ENDURANCE baby!
endurance vs gravel bike please
Easy instal and works well
Scott addict 10 is an endurance bike, all other Scott addict bikes especially pro level are some of the most uncomfortable bikes in the current high end road race bikes category. Unless you put some supper wide tires Scott addict is way too stiff. I bought the pro with new 9270 and tired with every hookless/ tubeless since the 303s are hookless…. tire available and it continued to be way too stiff. Could care less what pros ride, normal people need bikes that can be ridden for at least 90 minutes without feeling sore next day.
This is a misleading comparison, this bike from Scott should not be called endurance bike…. It should have it own category in Scott line.
This is my first road ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and I have taken it out a handful of times and so far it is exceeding all of my expectations. I didn’t want to break the bank on a first bike and the herd is a great option for getting a fast bike with reliable components. I plan on riding this bike for many years to come. Thank you Sava!
Was thinking endurace al canyon for light gravel and roads mosty with 32's.
Thoughts?
Great bike for the money, and really versatile
Want to ride TT? Get a TT bike. Want to race, get a road bike. Want to enjoy riding at speed? Get an endurance bike.
I'm not very flexible, and my shoulders are 44cm wide. My body basically needs an endurance bike. 🤣
Endurance slow? I’ve done 52mph on my all stock 2018 Felt VR4.
El marco es de aluminio?
Canyon CF-SLX is as racy as id ever want to get. I’m 72 and do long, multi-day charity rides, centuries etc. and I don’t (as most of us mortals) have the flexibility, power or youth to ride full race bikes.
Giveaways some road bike 🙏🙏🙏
Personally, I don't really see the point of endurance bikes. I came from entry-level bikes to stiffer and more aerodynamic “pro” race machines. With all the years I spent with endurance geometry entry-level bikes as a student with little budget, I am inevitably correlating “endurance geometry” with “less capability”. Now I am having more budget and I am flexible while I am still young, why waste my time and turn back toward the boring moving sofas?
Cervelo Caledonia 5…
Overwhelmingly a road bike.
A 1.4cm difference in head tube height is a noticeable difference? My girlfriend can’t even notice that difference.
The answer is gravel bike😂
wish endurance bike looked better, some look like playmobil.
You're way off , totally wrong.
The endurance bike travels further for the same number of pedal strokes.
Endurance bikes reduce the amount of wasted energy consumed from sideways wobble.
The endurance bike doesn't wobble from side to side.
Sideways wobble when riding a bike causes a loss of forward motion.
Sideways wobble causes muscles to expend energy.
So after 10 minutes of riding your back muscles are in much better shape cause you haven't been using those muscles.
Normally those muscles are causing wobbles and also try to prevent the wobble during the ride.
You never mentioned riding wobble.
You never talk about reducing wobble so you can travel in a straight line better.
The endurance bike is tuned to drive better in a straight line.
You approach the ride from a different perspective.
You can't change your line midway through the execution.
Its perfectly acceptable to endurance ride for 10 minutes.
Its a riding philosophy.
The bike is tuned for the riding philosophy.
Meh! Go upright commuter bike 3/7 speed hub gears, done!
I tried. But I. Couldn’t. Watch the. Scripted commentary. Any longer… I’m sure. It was a. Good. Summary of.the difference between. Road bikes and. Endurance. Bikes but. I just became. Irritated by the. Obvious reading and. Lack of commitment to. The content being. Read out.
Please try a more conversational approach to your content. 👍
Virtually any bike can be set up to be more aggressive (aero) or less aggressive (endurance)--and that's the way it was traditionally done for decades--using more or less spacers and different size/shape stems. Endurance bikes--with a capital E--simply come out of the box in a more comfortable position (vs Racing bikes). I've owned 400 to 500 bikes over the past 20 yrs and have noticed very little difference in my performance on the bikes--barring a few specific models that just "felt" faster from day 1. (Some models of note that I was noticeably faster on: Specialized Venge(s), Trek 5900(s), Fondriest TF(s), and just about any S-Works bike (road or mountain). ) I've had racing bikes with short head tubes that were set up with tall steer tubes / spacers and endurance bikes with tall head tubes that were set up slammed. There are SO many factors that affect your comfort and performance on a bike... and most of them having nothing to do with the frames.
😲 That's an average of about 22 bikes a year you've owned. Good on you. I barely have time to ride the 2 I have. I've switched some bikes out over the years for wanting to try different materials or geometries...but wow!
@@militaryminedid2011 fairy tale time 😂