Why F1 teams are WORRIED about Visa CashApp RB...
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- There's been a lot of talk about Red Bull's second team, Visa CashApp RB, and where they stand in the world of F1. Are they getting help from their sister team?
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I’m just gonna call it the Credit Car
I need to CC this.
The Credit Car and the Casino Car. Match made in heaven indead...
It's Vika for me (stands for Visás Bika= Visa Bull in hungarian)
Or Cashbull
My brother in Christ. You are a genius.
I love that McLaren in particular are trying to say that the facility sharing is a big deal, as if they couldn’t have moved data between the teams before.
Physical papers and people talking in person are ALOT harder to track and monitor than emails and phone calls between companies.
If you are gonna call out teams for complaining about other teams doing what they themselves have been acused of or found guilty of before, you can basically just call out every team on the grid.
@@DrDinoNuggies What would have stopped them from using email addresses, telephone or fax numbers in the past, that were unknown to the FIA?
@@PaDDy7389 Rar Archive, 20 character password, free file sharing service. Done lol
I heard that in the 6 months Dani Ric was at Red Bull he lived with Adrian Newey as a Padawan. They were developing a strong telepathic connection between the two so that Dani could design the 2024 VCARB without leaving any evidence for the FIA.
Unfortunately, Dani returned back to racing, and away from Newey, prematurely. Instead of the Telepathic powers being able to connect Milton Keynes to Italy, they had only managed to make it reach from Conference A to Conference room B. This is the reason VCARB are moving operations to the RB factory.
Or something
Can confirm, I was the wall in-between conference room A and B
This is hilarious 🤣 😆 😂 😄
Other teams will only complain if the Vcarb car is fast, if it's slow then they won't care
Except for Mercedes. They will complain regardless.
That's F1 in a nutshell.
The the zero sidepods merc was winning, everybody would have been teying to get it banned
I'm not complaining if Yuki gets a podium
😂😂
😝🤣😆
Ok, now that's a funny joke.
Torro Rosso never raised such concerns even though they were a top 5 Team back in the days.
stupid F1...
They did because they got a lot of parts from red bull at some point that made them change the rules for the first time
@@ElSascho The STR1 was literally the previous years Red Bull RB1, because that was allowed at the time. When the entered in 2006, they even managed to convince the FIA that they could keep using the V10 through some deal Minardi made before selling up, thus allowing them to use the previous year RB1.The STR2 used a current RB3 chassis, and the STR2 and STR3 were actually designed by Adrien Newey himself. The STR4 was also designed by Newey and was basically and RB5 with a 2008 Ferrari engine. From 2010 the rules were changed and STR had to design their own car.
they have never been a top 5 team though. finished 6th a couple times, but never top 5
Media needed a narrative for the winter.
Before the cost cap
I feel a bit sorry for VCARB because (assuming they are indeed playing by the rules) they can't win either way. If they copy RB from afar like every other team will undoubtedly be doing, they'll be accused of cheating. If they don't copy the RB like everyone else will be doing, they'll most likely be at the back of the grid.
"assuming they are indeed playing by the rules"
They literally are.
@@patteyh Yes, I know they are and there's nothing to say otherwise, however, do we know for 100% certainty that something isn't flying under the radar? There have been examples of bending rules before in F1 history so it's not outside the realms of possibility, just highly unlikely.
@@Renard998as everyone else on the grid, we have to trust FIA judgement on this one. If they say it's okay, then it's okay
@@thecompanioncube4211 Yes, the FIA say it's fine and there's nothing to suggest they are or will break the rules. I am in no way suggesting that RB/VCARB will do anything and I trust in the FIA. I was merely acknowledging the idea that, in a competitive sport where rules have been broken on many occasions before, you simply cannot rule out the possibility.
@@Renard998 agreed. we should have a big discussion AFTER the wrong doings have been found. That's all I am saying. I'll be the first guy to do so
when the v-carb kicks in
Imagine the whole grid begging RB to buy Minardi, then complaining they have two teams 🙄
apart from Horner, none of the teams have the same TP as they did in '05 so I'm not sure what your point is meant to be...
I doubt they thought it would last this long but also that something like this would ever happen
Completely different grid, genius.
@@sukyamuffin that feels like a bit of a petty response to an interesting bit of history that I didn't know about. Having started watching at the end of 09, I had no idea that the reason Red Bull own two teams is because they were asked to.
It wasn’t the teams begging Red Bull it was FOM. Completely different owners back then making your point stupid.
Tbh parts wise, Haas has more or as much in common to the Ferrari as VCARB have to RB
it's moreso the design tbh
@@frickin_robin what do you mean by design? All aero parts must be made fully in house and is heavily regulated by the FIA The biggest jump for AT last year was the rear suspension, and HAAS uses Ferrari suspension
That might be true, but Haas being owned by different company, this in current era of cost caps and close performance can hurt them more than do good. As these parts are more expensive for them, than they are for their supplier Ferrari and their lack of infrastructure leading to buy other parts from Dallara makes them extremely cost inefficient. What looked like a good business model 10 years ago is the worst business model now, and probably main reason why they are last.
Difference for second Red Bull team is the same owner, so they could buy parts from their first team cheap, thus saving money and being more cost efficient. Not mentioning other possible benefits of owning 2 teams. 20 years ago F1 was both about who spends the most and who spends efficiently, now it's mainly about the efficiency, with all teams basically having almost the same budgets. And also being closed group of team, with Andretti not being admitted to the sport, I see it as extremelly priviledged position for Red Bull to own 2 teams. With the trajectory F1 goes under Liberty media, I believe this is just a matter of time for this priviledge to cease and Red Bull will have to sell their second team. And I second that change, the sooner the better.
@@Adamos321 There are regulations around pricing of supplier parts.
F1 has broken them down into listed team components (LTC), transferrable components (TRC), standard supply components (SSC) and open source components (OSC).
Transferrable components are what Redbull is selling to VCARB.
" The supplier must also provide their customer with all relevant financial information, with the financial regulations dictating the parts must be ascribed a “fair value” for cost cap accounting purposes. "
There are also strictly enforced regulations about information sharing , windtunnel and cfd data sharing etc..The concerns if any are generally covered by regulations already in place
@@into_the_void Good to hear that, I did not have this knowledge. That makes it a fair bit fairer then. However I still view owning 2 teams in cap-budgeted and practically closed sport as a relic of the past which is overdue and unfair. And I would say the owner themselves may speed up the process of losing the second team adding to the controversy naming it so horribly/shamefully, so the change might not be that far enough.
4:51
Wasnt the dutch gp Liam lawson's debut f1 race?
Yep, small mistake in the video
That's where Daniel crashed to avoid hitting Piastri. He injured his hand.
Not sure Liam replaced him in time.
Certainly for the next few races though.
@@brian5030 He did, and finished 13th despite tricky conditions, ahead of Yuki in 15th.
Torro Rosso. The single acceptable name.
Minardi
Alpha Tauri is also fine. It's not as good as Toro Rosso, but at least it's an actual identity...
@@vasekkosar3931torro Rosso Rosso literally means red bull in English
@@Cruzblack781 Yes. So? What is your point?
I actually like "racing bulls". It's just sad that they decided to abbreviate it in the name.
So every other team can copy Red Bull, but the sister team can't?
In a nutshell, you are correct. Meanwhile, Red Bull goes zero sidepod.
They can copy, there is a difference in copying and giving the rb19 to AT
Difference is other teams gave to look to copy, RedBull is accused of giving blueprints to ToroRosso
So everyone shows up with a RB19 copycat but sister team can’t 😂 Meanwhile RB takes Mercedes design that didn’t do 💩 Lewis cried about was trash and engineers need to listen to him and going to mop the floor with that new car❤ Lewis really going to cry this year
@@chrismohler6621Aww look a crybaby here is your 🍼🍼🍼🍼
Toto also has stocks in both Mercedes and Williams. Williams uses the windtunnel of Mercedes and buys Mercedes parts. What is the difference?
He doesn't hold any stake in Williams anymore he sold his entire stake in 2016. Using wind tunnels is one thing and sharing the data from that wind tunnel run is another
@@ankithnair No, he only sold part of it. He still has about 5%
Yes but as a whole Williams and Mercedes are two different teams who want to win separately. Toto would prefer a Mercedes win over Williams and vice versa with Vowles. Red bull want only red bull to win
@@ruudkooijman819 10% of Ferrari shares are public, you can buy them if you like, do you think those 10% have any saying about the team? The 5 % are Susie's Wollf's shares, so his wife, not him... with 5% shares do you think Toto commands anything within Williams? No. Even if he wanted James Vowles would not allow it, not even Dorilton Capital. That 5% are irrelevant and gives more losses than gains for sure lool
Williams has a different owner who wants to win
It is practically Impossible for RB to share everything with VCARB, the same reason why Mercs and Williams and HAAS and Ferrari limited things they share, they don't want that slight chance of their lesser counterpart to be above themselves.
It's not about sharing, the problem is both teams are owned by Red Bull.
You are not an intelligent person.
Toto owns many drivers outside of the Mercedes team 😂@@davidbrown8517
@@davidbrown8517why is that a problem ?
@@davidbrown8517And whats the problem if they can't share almost anything? Pink mercedes proved that you can copy even when you have different owner. So whats that bad about Red Bull having two teams?
I find it interesting, Red Bull has owned this team for 18 years, and only now the RB is dominant beyond belief do they worry about this stuff. Makes you wonder if it's really a case of fairness....
They were thousands of km apart before. Now they SHARE A FREAKING BUILDING. Give your head a shake.
@@Mountain-Man-3000and? FIA allowed it, so whats the matter if Its within the rules?
@@WhiteG60 suspensions like engines can be sold because it's legal , and even if it's not and vcarb does without getting a penalty that means others can too which makes it fair
@@Mountain-Man-3000 did you cry about Haas having offices in maranello or do you cry about redbull only ??
Not only that but where was the outcry when longtime Mercedes and Ferrari employees went to Williams and Haas, with the likelihood they were going to stay on payroll with those teams?
They could easily shift ownership to someone within their sphere and it would not make a single difference.
Mateschitz Jr could take on Minardi as a personal pet project and it would ALSO run an Austrian license, and it would be all the same.
I wouldn't be surprised if the sale rumours become true. Personally I'd like to see a Honda works team back in F1 but that probably won't happen.
Yeah and no one was racing eyebrows when James was appointed as team principal of Williams... Even after they starting to scoring points.... And ended 7th in the constructors in 23
Yes comparing apples and oranges. You know that Fred Vassuer is former which team principle
It's about the bigger teams helping or bringing knowledge too "their" smaller teams.@@ind-tamilgangsters1956
What a senseless coment, James Vowles wasn't appointed was contracted by Dorilton Capital that are the owners of Williams. Team principles change seats a lot of times, lately even more... And would be appointed by who? Does not make sense ex Alpine TP was in Aston Martin, Vasseur was in Alfa Romeo, Gunther has been in other teams before Haas, the 2024 Haaas principal was an engineer in Renault, and you know what? Adrian Newey once was CTO at Williams, what about that hein? crazy isn't 😉
Too close? From the outside, yes; but not rules have been broken (or proven to have been broken), so the rules are the problem.
If the rules are changed then Haas are in some deep deep s**t. Because their technical cooperation with Ferrari is much tighter and irreplaceable compared to Visa RBs.
@@reinier123 best strategy: being shit, so no-one complains about what you do
There biggest upgrade was Daniel!
@wheel Knowledge Zak brown isn't the team principal. He's CEO, Andrea Stella is the team principal
I still miss Torro Rosso (Red Bull in Italian). That team name made sense
And if a team is beating you, get better
Why those concerns are misplaced, the team has yet to complete their move to UK so whatever it is we are seeing was already in the works. Plus the concerns assume that f1 doesn't have a robust system to monitor which it does and has been doing for a while. This is all F1 politics championed by Zak Brown who is trying to undermine his opponent. He is the same who tried to steal sponsors from RedBull let's not forget.
It’s quite funny how F1 doesn’t think Andretti would bring any benefit to the sport while having absolutely 0 problems with there being 2 Red Bull teams.
Red Bull stepped in and saved a team from dying all those years ago. Nobody had a problem until now bcs red bull are dominant. The fia is also being really difficult with new teams entering so its a problem for f1 by f1. I dont find it to be an issue imo
It's not the FIA that is doing difficult about new teams entering. That's all on the current F1 teams...
F1 spot are so expensive, companies should not be allowed to have two teams IMO
But they are and not just redbull , everyone
@@ramezehab662 RedBull is still the parent company, there are not enough teams to have one entity owning two of them. It’s even worse considering other names are trying to enter the sport but it’s just my opinion on the matter tho
@@ramezehab662 none of the other teams are owned by the same company other than redbull tho. They just have supplier-customer relationship which isn't Nearly the same as being owned by a single company. Are you dense or just talking out of your behind?
@@00aPPa00and what is the difference between two teams owned by the same company and two teams who have a supplier customer relationship ?
Cry harder 😂😂. Minardi is older than Mercedes and it was rescued by RB boss when nobody wanted that team. Fast forward 2024 everyone wants a piece of profit guaranteed but back in a day nobody put the money in. Typical American.
Good video as always. I love more content from you guys, but I'm still a little confused as to why two channels.
Lawson debut race wasn't singapore, it was Dutch I think
I think yes. Danny Ric entered until he got injured, and Lawson took over for the rest of the weekend.
It’s probably near impossible to unstick VCARB’s allegiances at this point. But when push comes to shove, boy does it become apparent that RB drivers have 3 teammates. 2021 was pretty absurd, with how the AT drivers drove like their seat was at risk when Ham was coming at them, and then seemed to forget their driving glasses when Max came through lol
I dont necessarily agree with that, I mean most of the times hamilton and Verstappen drove through the back of the field that season as if they dont exist, when they had to. I personally always looked for that, but never got the feeling people tryed that quite that hard. It was more often tha case that drivers like especially alonso, the for personal resons favored a driver, had an Impact
I dont mind if they get better it just make fights for the points more interesting and if you need a redbull to compet against a redbull for first place so be it. Because watching max win every race by 40+ seconds and piting on the last laps to get fastest lap in the race is insane to me.
It is not just the technical connection.
We saw last year in Singapur how you can even avoid penalties, when Max clearly blocked Yuki in Quali, but AT didnt complain about.
I feel like that was a lot more egregious than rb "pulling a haas" and using more listed parts, just that this time it's with a dominant team. Pink mercedes 2.0
This is what I'd like to see - teams should run THREE cars, 30 cars on the grid and points for the top 12.
nah, 1 car/driver per team, 24 teams/cars/drivers with points for top 12. it becomes a much more entertaining sport with SIGNIFICANTLY better racing when there's no in-fighting or team orders to get in the way, plus more teams = more liveries, assuming ofc that Red Bull don't try and buy up half the slots
You neglected to dig into how the AT improvements stacked up against other teams...was there a noticeable improvement which far outstripped other comparable teams?
I think a lot of people underestimate how much of a positive impact to the cars setup Ricciardo made.
Yeah Zak brown agrees.
@@kfkwAL7Zak is! Which is why he is complaining!
I remember when Gasly let Max pass in the 2021 championship, by opening the drs later.
George in Williams did the same for Hamilton
@@ramezehab662 so? should be punished too, no excuse for that
@@Maton8587 team orders are legal , nothing to be punished for
@@Maton8587no it shouldnt.
Anyone can let anyone pass at any tine.
I love this channel!! ❤
A lovely face of Matthew Gallagher on the thumbnail. Love it!
Matt, this is great, congratulations
Yeah what’s stopping RB from researching one part, and then selling it for dirt cheap to VCARB, and VCARB researching a different part and selling it for dirt cheap to RB? That would allow them to essentially pour full resources into each part, rather than having to compromise
But you just don't design a listed component. Note that the FIA does provide the teams with a template that the teams are allowed to change. This is how Haas designed many of the components because you do very little design yourself. It is also why they usually go backwards as the season progresses. It is usually a process of little changes. Kind of writing a important letter where you change the wording and sentencing until the letter is perfect. Versioning keeps tracks of these changes and the FIA wants see those changes. That is how they were able to caught Aston Martin copying the brake ducts from Mercedes a few years back. They can also interview key personal of teams. Each change has a name associated, so they know which employee made which change. For example when I interview for a job opening I always ask what the applicant biggest problem was that (s)he was able to solve and why other solutions didn't work. Here's the thing, if you are part of the team that fixed an issue, you can most likely answer the first part, however it it less likely part of the thought process how you came to that solution, why other solutions didn't pan out. There are more ways to have get an indication how truthful an applicant is during an interview...
Might also be genuinely figuring the same things that Red Bull managed to figure out with their f1 car. Sure if they find something that breaks the rules, then go ahead and punish the team, we already know what that will look like, otherwise either leave it be or tighten the rules up more.
I don’t understand how this is being questioned nearly 20 years since Toro Rosso began, it’s always been weird, one company shouldn’t own two teams. It’s nuts.
It’s seems like most of the teams are much more afraid of paint
I think most cars this year look like the rb19 👀
Information sharing for sure will be a thing, they are not walking around and recording every conversation so it can be policed afterwards! For me this is one of the biggest flaws of the cost cap era! And it's not just Redbull. Other teams have their automotive industries to do stuf for them and just questions and answers passed verbally can be of great value! Zack, Toto and Fred, know far too well how this functions for themselves!
i don’t think we’ll be able to answer that question until we see how it measures up on track
It's just like with the Pink Mercedes from a few years ago...
While I can see the issues with two teams under the same ownership, I'd be more worried about RB using VCARB for tactical purposes on track. In all those years I can't think of any situations where they did that though, even in some cases where they easily could have.
They've managed to keep it legal thus far, so no reason to think it'll change
I think the answer was given in the video. There is no evidence that they have done anything illegal. If Haas can use the same components from Ferrari, and Williams from Merc, I dont see why Vcarb cant do the same with RB. Sure, due to the parent company, I can understand the FIA maybe wanting to keep a closer eye on the situation, but I see nothing wrong with it. Dont like it? Change the rules
I believe Haas use a lot more Ferrari parts than RB uses Red Bull parts too. The difference is that I suspect Zak isn’t concerned about them catching up.
kind of depends on whats gonna happen next season, if they consistently fight the top teams, but not redbull, then theres a big problem
I love how everybody is talking about this now, but ignored “Pull out of the pits and stop the car on track” in 2022
I'd like to see them replaced by Andretti, as I find it hard to believe there isn't some advantage for Red Bull in fielding two teams. With others clamouring to get into the sport and Andretti being rejected, it would be better to introduce a rule that stops companies running multiple teams.
2:06 Zak brown is the CEO not team principal, that's Andrea Stella.....
Other teams worried because it could be an RB19 in another livery.
Can we maybe see their performance first ? I can't imagine redbull profiting to much from this.
And it's not like alpha was anywhere close so far....
The fact that Alpha team will not fight or interfere with RB cars on track is enough advantage
I think you got your timeline mixed up. Lawson's first F1 race was Zandvoort, then Monza, then Singapore.
I will say that I would much rather have a team like Andretti there over Vcarb however I think this is kind of what's gonna happen when you run F2 and F3 the way you do. It doesn't really allow teams to develop drivers long term like most other sports leagues do.
Minardi begged RB to buy the team for his employees to retain their jobs, if you love andretti to enter, tell gene Haas to sell his team, he can't even be bothered to finance it to at least make it to the middle.
This is what you call it "maximizing loophole in the rule"
Its not a loophole...
Its allowed
So I'm confused like I am hearing this but to me it doesn't seem like it shouldn't be a problem. Nascar does something similar. Having multiple cars and teams.
Funny how people forgot the “pink-mercedes” already. It wasnt a problem than, so why now?
Mrecedes have 3 customer teams and two of them use a lot of Mercedes parts and ex personell and that's all fine too!
The tsunoda incident at Zandvoort is enough to be concerned about having redbull in VCAB’s ear
Also didn't Adrian Newey saying during a race weekend last year, that the alpha tauri will be the RB19 for 2024
You mean just like the W15 of Mercedes of many components of the Aston Martin mid-season last year? IT was actually called the green Red Bull.
People will copy the winner. It the best path to improve your performance. But just copy the overall design is not enough. You still have to understand how the full car design works together. Sometimes a little change can have a massive negative impact, while a major design change provide little improvement on the track...
never thought credit card team would have a actual beauty of a livery and a good car
It should not be a worry amongst teams, it should be a realisation by every single entity with any type of cognitive skills.
Daniel doing shoeys is all I care about 😊
It's completely ridiculous that 2 teams can be owned by the same group. Huge conflict of interest. Even if they do investigate and they find nothing is going on, that doesn't mean nothing is going on. The potential conflict is the problem. Zac is right in that other sports do not have this happen (though football is a bit concerning with all the saudi + uae money) because of the potential conflict.
Another f1 fan with sour grapes.
Its been fine since 07/08.
Its fine now
Never realised Matt has a second channel. Will have to binge all his episodes now lol
The Canadian Football League (CFL) allows one person to own multiple teams. No issues have came about!
so Zak Brown is OK with the Merc + AMR partnership ?!?!?!?
Its REALYY NOT the same - they are spereate companies, separate facilities, separate owners
Why has it taken me nearly two weeks to discover this channel?? 😭
Is there rules stopping 1 team from just out right buying another teams previous car?
@Wheel Knowledge..well probably it's because their life circuit carreer..classic but it's normal..if they're worried about that..this's not about right or wrong so far..just casual habit👌
So for years, torro rosso is a junior team for rb. All those years, they managed to take from rb what they can take, and develop the parts they need for themself. So i dont understand the fuzz now just because of the name.. I'm sure torro rosso will take every part they are allowed to take from rb, but thats exactly what Haas is doing with Ferrari, and it is perfectly ok..
And yes, i still call them torro rosso and i will do so as long as they use those bizar names
Is this matt gallagher from wtf1?
its Gall Mattagher from AF69
Torro Rosso will always be their name
Technically this year there is a blue and silver RB19 Only after the Redbull's launch we will see
i dont see the problem as long they work as two different teams / companies and dont use the same parts, except those that is allowed by FiA regulations about sharing items in between teams.
wonder what they thing about DucatiGP, where the 2024Ducati is racing against the 2023Ducati for the world title
Can v-card assist RB with team strategy, making it 4 cars against the grid
the new name just rolls off the tung like a cube
So Zac and Fred are good with bringing in Andretti.
i think we should all just turn a blind eye and let Danny Ric win a few more races
I'm not complaining if it means 4(or 2?) competitive cars/drivers instead of just 1.
As long as there are all the checks & balances, I don't see an issue.
That first picture of a shooey is Lando isn't it?? From Danny Rics boot tho.
I mean it could end up being the same story as with racing point in 2020 and their "pink mercedes".
Yes it will be similar to RB19 and Red Bull will do it deliberately forcing FIA to change regulations.
Red Bul does not want two teams but they don't want to sell it just for commercial reasons but by regulation so that no other team could ever have that kind of advantage
People are just noticing now about Red Bull owning 2 teams? I’ve been talking about this for years and has been going on since 2006. Didn’t anyone at least notice this when Max Verstappen swapped with the Torpedo or when Liam Lawson was told he wouldn’t be driving for Alpha Tauri by Christian Horner? It’s Red Bull’s junior team yet they’re in F1, not a junior category. More than a little suspicious.
I hope vcarb fight for podiums this year..
Imagine the scenes
Wait y’all have two channels?
Don’t forget about Haas and Ferrari. Williams and Mercedes.
I would like to see vcarb sold to Andretti. If an owner won’t put its best people on a certain team then get rid of it.
Same for Haas, they can be sold too. Now that we have a low cost cap, hitting the cost cap should be a guarantee made by teams to ensure all 10 teams remain competitive. Wiggle room of a million or two is fine but coming up 10 million short shouldn’t be an option.
Toro Rosso, literally Red Bull in Italian for the past 20 years. Basically a junior team for Red Bull that has existed for the past 20 years. Not saying the complaints aren't based, but they may be a little late, like 20 years too late to say "oh no, Red Bull have 2 teams".
I've always thought it was an unfair practice to have two teams its just worse now than past years. I mean the divers of the teams are signed not to the team but to Red Bull as a whole so that on its own tells you most of what you need to know. If V-CARB don't even have a driver technically how are they a completely different entity than Red Bull?
Toto has also many signed drivers. Which would mean the same thing. If you want to be fair. They should also stop with the unfair treatment of non english drivers in the formula 1.
As @porchedriverful said, Bottas, George and Ocon all got on the grid signed by Toto Wolff, especially George and Bottas as Wolff himself placed them at Williams. Even Mick Schumacher and Charles Leclerc were both Ferrari drivers, who used their hold as pu suppliers to get them into haas and Sauber
Ferrari literally give a b-spec to Haas. I mean, both had issues with eating tyres so if that is not a red flag. Also the sudden stint of Haas cars blowing up engines halfway down the season was Ferrari using them to get a chance to make reliability -upgrades to the engine.
Red Bull is 100% spending more than the cost cap and putting it on the Vcarb books - just RB things.
nah because ever single team is literally copying the rb19 so if they do too wouldn't be suspicious cuz everyone is trying to be like redbull
How much Minardi is still going to be left in this team? :(
Granted, not sure how many Minardi were still with the team during Toro Rosso/Alpha Tauri era to begin with.
i mean the rules surrounding sister teams and parts sharing have been in F1 for a long time, why make a fuss about it now? if they don't comply then penalize them if they do then don't
I thought there was something about the team not being allowed to move from Faenza when Red Bull bought them at first place...
At the risk of sounding like an RB shill, I'll worry about this when it's a RB 1-4 every week next season. Their improvement was notable, but 8th in the championship is still far off being championship contenders.
Not sure if it would change much if it wasn't under rb ownership, as rb influence would still be strong, as I'm sure it is with other seller/customer team combos on the grid.
They are all copying eachother anyway.
Thing is.
If newey told vcard exactly everything the rb19 had but onky did it verbally.
There is zero trace.
Thus not illegal(innocent until proven guilty) in a sence.
Anything in anyines head is free game.
You just cant use documentation