Tesla Autopilot FSD Beta Finally Takes On The Hogback Driver Assistance Challenge!
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2023
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Thanks to @DirtyTesla for coming all the way to Colorado to make this video with us! We jump in a 2022 Tesla Model S with Autopilot 3.0 to run the famed Tesla FSD Beta system in the Hogback Challenge. We are on software version v11.4.4 for this test under the 2023.7.20 umbrella software.
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You can buy, just won’t be able to win anything.
I think that CA resident can win but they can't enter when in CA
Thanks for having me out for a great test!
Love your face when Kyle had you go to the back and check if break lights were on, Like DUDE you can see that on the screen inside.
Yay glad you collaborate with Kyle I’ve literally been waiting for years for this lol. My uncle from Ann Arbor loves watching your videos Chris.
Talking about disengagements, Kyle asked "Did it piss anyone off?" That's the dilemma. We want FSD to drive safer than a human, but people don't generally drive safely. If you drive "like a grandma", you are going to be safe and you are going to piss people off.
If I need to be hyper aware and ready to take over to prevent death at any moment, I may as well let my wife drive.
Good idea! Just it does not work that way. She drives to her job i drive to my customers. But i would love to sit back and sleep.
Not hyper aware. You sort of learn what it's capable of. Especially on trips you take regularly, it's pretty awesome.
@@MattCastersno, it’s not.
I thought so but on long road trips i actually prefer it.. stopping it from doing sth bad is much easier than always telling it to do the right thing
🤣🤣🤣😂
My Tesla has detected the wrong speed limit on the same stretch of road for 4 years now. I've reported it as a bug at least 20 times
looks like after the 65 speed limit sign it passes another sign that says "left lane MINIMUM speed 55" but the camera probably just recognizes the big "55" and thinks that's the speed limit and not speed floor
Looks super comfortable in the back seat 😂
lol nice and roomy
I just realized that Kyle Conner and Out Of Spec are the new Top Gear (the original one, not that new garbage). I can't believe I sat through a nearly 10 hour Vegas trip, just to see what would happen. I wish you much success in all of your current and future endeavors!!!!.
I thought Whistlindiesel is the new TopGear.
At 26:04 it does say the speed limit is 55 mph so the statement at 26:10 is wrong.
With the FSD master himself @dirtytesla this is gonna be an awesome video!
It was so great to have his input for this test! Tbh I don’t use FSD Beta enough so I was glad Chris came to fill in the knowledge gaps
@@KyleConner agreed! awesome collab and hope to see more like this in the future. You gotta try and catch up with Bjorn on of these days. That would be rad to see
I love both Kyle's and Chris' RUclips channels. FSD beta 11.4.4 wanders to the right when it doesn't see a curb or painted line on the right. Yours did drive onto the shoulder when the the line faded away and technically didn't cross a line. But, it did make a mistake for sure. The funny turn signals drive us crazy sometimes too. We're sure that cars behind us must wonder about us...if we leave it on at times like this....annoying, embarrassing, and a little laughable as well. Thanks!!! Lotsa love to all from Toronto ❤❤❤
@dirtytesla Chris! So nice to see you in this video!
46:07 Any time a car passes quickly, AP slows down because of the likelihood of the passing car overtaking into your lane. Plus 1!
Great collab with other EV youtubers. You should do more of these.
13:15 “Phone key sucks” make sure you have location set to always allow on the tesla app and phone key should work 100% of the time
He probably has an iPhone and manual closes the app all the time.
phone key is one of the best features of the newer cars
The one thing I do like better about the Mercedes system, which Kyle alluded to, is collaborative steering. If you want to gently nudge a Tesla on AP or FSD, you can't. You have to fully disengage it. Mercedes you can just gently nudge it over a bit, then let it go and it'll go back to business as usual. It's handy.
I own a MB EQE in the Los Angeles/Inland Empire area. To be able to turn the wheel a bit while driver assist stays engaged so motorcycles can pass (IYKYK) is great.
Yes! And if you pull on the steering wheel it disengages and the steering input is very sudden.
Even though it is not hands-free, HDA on my Hyundai IONIQ5 allow the same collaboration. Very nice to get around potholes, get space from questionable drivers, etc.
My Lexus let’s me nudge and steer slightly without disengaging, love it overall. Tesla is overrated and I say that as a former 2 time owner.
Really??? That sounds really stupid. With openpilot, you can do "collaborative steering". (Never thought anything special of it.)
@35mins the construction 55mph had just passed. This is why I hate it following speed limit on freeways as no one slows from 80mph to 55mph, you will get run off road
No one follows the speed limits because nobody gets caught. If people were caught, you'd better believe people would follow the speed limits very closely.
Why it's even this "game" doesn't make sense to me though. Have cars know the speed limits and refuse to go faster. It is never legal to speed, ever. (Not even in an emergency.)
If speed limits are mistaken (like the 45mph), this is a problem that the state needs to fix. They need to be communicating the speed to cars in a way that they can understand. Digitally, or more clearly through signage. This is 2023. 😆
That’s a lot of brains in one car. Great video.
I watched that section again and as best I could see, the 55 speed limit was actually one of those "towing anything, go 55" signs. so it doesn't differentiate a general speed limit for a conditional one.
Still need to see Comma 3 Openpilot in this challenge. Don’t much care which car. But my IONIQ 5 would be great.
I don't remember when, but I think at one point Kyle said they had an open pilot video in the works. I'm also looking forward to it!
Oh, he mentioned wanting to do openPilot at the end of this video and he's looking for someone to lend one to him.I guess I was wrong about him having one in the works.
At 56:05 you passed a 55mph sign but you missed it. You were looking in the mirror at the lady in the Subaru when you passed it. The car was correct for slowing down. I think it happened a couple times apart from that.
Same in 34:09 So it is better than humans in a way :) Similar thing happened before but the sign was saying "minimum speed limit for left lane 55"
I always drive FSD with "Minimal Lane Changes" turned on. Save with Navigate on Autopilot. Unless it's to follow route, I want to decide when to change lans.
Really great test methods! I was a test engineer for early self driving development (2006-2015ish) and we saw the same issues then as you saw today. The (sad) reality is that if our goal as a society is to save lives, we should spend the money on trains and mass transit and not overly complex technologies that have cost billions and still can't improve safety over human drivers. Now the game is all about profit margin.
Public transportation is not a replacement for cars except theoretically in dense urban areas (and there it has an completely different set of problems). The US is huge and people like freedom of movement. Even places like New York those who can overcome the cost often drive, or are driven.
EV soap operas. I’m hooked like a 60’s housewife.
I watched a 3 and half hour one the other day. It was a wild ride 😂
It has nothing to do with EV. it’s all about tech.
Would love for you to test the comma 3 open pilot and see how it compares to Tesla FSD, super cruise, etc.
"Phone key sucks" 😂.... Works pretty sweet for me.
“Robotaxis by then end of the year” 😂😂😂
By the end of 2017 if you’ve been paying attention for a long time….
They look really comfortable in the back of that TESLA!!!
Not a fan of fsd. I would never use it. But for the sake of fairness I do not think it is fair to deduct for over active lane changes when there is a option to reduce frequent lane changes that you considered, and decided not to use
Latest FSD beta still slams on the brakes on our secondary roads in southwestern New Hampshire. Screws up often. Adaptive cruise control does it too, so we wind up manually driving even when we’d like at least cruise control.
Elon will never allow it because he's an arrogant as hell, but we need the option of just a dumb cruise control for those times where the system can't cope. For safety when you select dumb cruise, it can display a similar little warning when you're depressing the go pedal during TACC/AP. And maybe a toggle in the menu to "unlock" the mode with a warning. You could just make it a long press of the stalk to enable dumb cruise. It could even beep at you when it would normally brake (phantom or legit) as an added precaution.
They took out radar and made the cars more dangerous
Thanks for this test. I've been very interested in how other systems work, so I'll do a search for those other tests you mentioned. Loving this channel, you're giving us good information.
I can’t use autopilot. Whenever I do put it on I can’t get use to not having control of the car. It makes me feel nervous
Gotta say I love collabs from 2 different RUclipsrs I follow
My two favorite channels all in one! Great job everyone!
-1 for changing landing 2 many times? I don’t think it was an unsafe lane change. Maybe I missed the safety issue.
And for me with FSD, I expect that it won’t drive like I do. I just want it to be safe and I’m good.
As a Colorado driver I wish you did more of the 70 mountain corridor for the test. That area has some weird spots but it's really not that bad compared to other sections just past the first tunnel (Veterans) up until the Eisenhower. I would also love to see FSD on Highway 40 from the 70 to Winter Park.
That trip would make for an interesting experience. Just going to Berthoud pass would make for a great video.
Thanks for this. Wish you would do a longer video on phantom breaking, which personally prevents me from using autopilot. I for one which Telsa would give divers the option to use 'old fashioned' cruise control versus adaptive, as adaptive which has issues. Forcing drivers to use autopilot is rather paternalistic.
I agree with everything Kyle has said about the Germans autopilot competition, however, my experience with BMW Driver Assist Pro in LA traffic (in the X7 specifically) to be more lurchy and overall less smooth than Tesla and Mercedes. In Eco Pro the hesitation for the gearbox and power is too latheargic compared to Mercedes. And Comfort is almost too eager to close every gap even though I can see traffic slowing ahead anyway. Staying dead-center in the lane and confidence at high speeds and the ability to nudge the car within the lane without disengaging is a huge plus. I drove from Denver to Vegas at night and the mile-munching ability is second to none.
I’ve driven FSD 11.4.4 a ton of miles…. Here are some thoughts about your excellent video!
1- The speed change issues is all about bad map data. Map data is updated twice a year, and especially if there’s a construction zone that was 55 mph when work was being done and the car will still go that speed if there’s no update what it should do is have the sign override what it has for map data.
2 - I noticed it’s been very good with “Truck speed” signs and rarely adjusts. I know it can’t read the text on them right now, but it seems to usually know not to change speed to them that they aren’t for cars.
3 - Just like regular autopilot there should be a toggle about staying in the left lane. Some might be fine being there until a car comes up behind but others may not want to be there. Also in states like Washington and New Jersey etc it’s illegal to drive in the left lane unless your passing. So there really needs to be either a toggle for the left lane or the car should know based on its location what the laws are in that particular state, and not stay in the left lane if it’s in a state that doesn’t allow it.
4 - As far as the right lane it doesn’t like you driving in there and takes you out of it because there is always merging going on every time an exit shows up about every mile or so. It would be nice if it knew the frequency of exits, based on the highway and was able to adjust if it’s OK to stay in the right lane or not because if there’s no frequent exits like long stretches, there’s not a problem. But nobody really wants to drive in the right lane especially on a three-lane highway. On a two-lane road however, staying in the right lane shouldn’t be a problem and isn’t. I get this behavior.
5 - Phantom braking is greatly reduced from what it used to be. It seems a lot of it now has to do with shadows and the way the sun may hit the asphalt and cause reflections. It’s inconsistent and just some thing that they need to work out.
One thing not showed is how FSD works with more traffic and getting over to exit. This used to be a nightmare and it would wait til the last minute. Now it’s so systematic about it and does such a great job moving to the right even better than a person. It knows when to speed up to or slow down if needed to do the merge. This used to be horrible and now is so refined.
Also it’s so good handling yellow lights. It’s done exactly what I would have at every one over many of them.
It’s not perfect at all like exiting a freeway then getting to the correct lane for s turn if it has to cross traffic lanes. But again a lot if this would also make a person think what should I do. .
I’m very bullish about FSD and can’t wait to hopefully get 11.4.7 this weekend. I truly love seeing the improvements.
Thanks Kyle and DirtyTesla. You guys are amazing and how “real” you are about everything has probably sold more cars than a lot of other things. Seeing Kyle laugh at bad EA chargers… or outofspec Dave get upset about CCS chargers is great to see because you know it’s real.
Thank you both.
Basically after so many driving hours and letting it do its thing, I’m very positive on what FSD provides. It makes king trips feel so much quicker and relaxing.
I think part of the problem is there needs to be more standardized signage across the states making it easier for the system to recognize speed
TBF, it would have been better using minimal lane changes.
Great video, can't wait to see Audi Q8 e Tron on Hogback and range test
The fact that you are all still alive means success.
Air bags didn't go off and Tesla's stock went up today. (Because promises of robotaxis were made.) It was a success! 😆
Hi Kyle,
Love your videos! Any chance you could do a video on spare tires for Tesla, particularly a Model Y? I would like to see Tesla come out with a collapsible spare tire. Thanks
MPH/miles is simple math, you don't need a race. It's not hours of difference. Possibly 15 minutes over a long distance... thats about it.
I'd give one point back to the Tesla on FSD Beta for the debris in the road. You didn't have it in all tests so it was an anomaly unless all systems were tested against it. The phantom brake... count it lol...
I’ve missed the Hogbacks… great video guys.
My theory is that the European phantom brake is different than the US one. In Norway, Autopilot will phantom break at specific locations on "new" highways (2-3 years old highways). Even though there are map updates, the phantom breaking is maintainted at these specific points and stretches. I tried an AP 1.0 Model S on these stretches and had almost no phantom breaking. In stark contrast to my AP 3.0 Model 3.
Just watched a super interesting video called “How to Build a Road” by Wendover Productions about the construction of the interstate highway in Denver. Gave me a new appreciation for your test, lol
~38:00 the mysterious lane change to center worked out pretty well when it, a few seconds later, encountered slow traffic in the middle lane and jumped to the left lane to pass.
At 56.39 you really passed a 45 sign
Another amazing video. Automatic lane change will get you over to the middle lane quicker if it’s in chill mode or in normal mode. You are 100% right that it will stay in the left lane until somebody else comes but I’ve noticed that it does it only when it is inassertive mode
Sweet ride. Love my model X.
Been waiting for this, THANK YOU! - I also don't think the shoulder maneuver should be -1 as it wasn't part of the traditional hogback, but the 'extreme version'. ;)
Hey Kyle, This was a awesome video. One question I had, are you wearing Vessi shoes. If so cudos to you. They are the best shoes out there imo
It's funny to me and maybe the team after watching it back, every comment on the speed changing for no reason was actually them missing a speed limit sign and the car was doing the correct thing. There are still so many negatives with FSD beta but the system is seriously impressive in it's current capabilities and yet I still have no idea how anyone justifies spending so much money on it. Until it's out of beta it should be free or much much cheaper
Yep, while I don't know the real take rate, forum and online content suggests the take rate is WAAAAAY higher than I'd expect. No fucking way I'd pay a single dollar for it in it's current state. But they've made millions off it as is, mind blowing.
What wheels are on that car? Looking sharp!
You can also push a button or the fly wheel on the steering will also disengage the warnings…
One of the routing issues comes from map source data from google and actually nothing to do with FSD. There is a contribute button in google maps to allow people to offer map road segment change suggestions... get on it. 😊
@18:50 this is the colab I think everyone needed
When Mercedes releases the automatic lane changing feature (similar to navigate on autopilot), could you test that?
Great seeing the two gurus together!
My 2020 Model 3 and 2022 Model Y, when getting locked out of Autopilot (for going over 85mph) required only going into Park to reset the disable. (Cycling the charging door is not required)
Kyle, what are the wheel and tires you have on that vehicle?
13:20 you don’t need to open charge port, just put in park and go back in drive. I do it all the time
One thing Chris does on his drives (pardon my speaking for you) is city streets with pedestrians and cars all wanting to get somewhere. It's in a college town so students are usually in a rush and maybe feel a bit of privilege so they just walk on out once it looks clear enough. Stanford campus is even more extreme that way and I've not tried to run Beta there.
Thanks for mentioning the phantom braking on highways when heat mirages are visible. My Model 3 (both AP and later FSD beta) goes nuts in CO and AZ when heat mirages are present; lots of slow downs, lots of braking, and sometimes full ABS braking down to 0! Sometimes I can’t even go 1 mile without an incident. Tesla investigated this behavior on my car and says that cars with TeslaVision and a physical radar, even though the radar SHOULD be disabled, that the radar is still influencing the camera based system due to a software issue that they have not been able to resolve yet!
Great content. Thank you.
Would you be interested in comparing the OpenPilot vs. FSD driving in the highway? OpenPilot would be as good as FSD in some non-tesla cars.
Better in some regards. I had no idea that Tesla disengages Autopilot when you touch the steering wheel. That would annoy the hell out of me. Also, having to touch the steering wheel all the time would get really old really fast on a road trip. I love my openpilot setup.
Could it be the car doesn’t apply brakes or parking brake to minimize the impact - if you’re hit by another vehicle?
It looks like one push of a button could have tied it for first place? (Minimise Lane Changes would ameliorate both the unnecessary lane changes and indicators)
@44:53 Pause it there and you can see the solid line on the right is suddenly so faded, it sure looks like an exit-only lane opened up to the upcoming exit that the car is expecting to take.
The phantom breaking also happens when you’re passing a truck when the sun is shining on the side of the truck and blocking the camera vision
Hi Kyle long time follower of your videos. I am taking my daughter, who will be starting university in Michigan later this month. We are leaving Friday from Valencia, CA and planning to drive her Toyota Forerunner for about 8 to 9 hours, hopefully reaching somewhere in Colorado that night . Where is a good place to stay for the night.? Hoping to reach Ann Arbor by late Monday morning. Thanks for any recommendations for hotels on route.
The lack of consistency of AI is why it’s not used in anything critical.
Or maybe the maturity? How old are AI's? How old are humans?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 funny thing is, the same inconsistency in *us* is exactly why AI is desired. I’m not sure maturity has much hope!
@@float32 Why not? Only maturity differentiates us mature ones from baby’s hitting on their toys. And yes, sometimes we elders are not very mature. True. I guess AI‘s will overtake us in a few years for repetitive tasks. Not for driving of course thats much too complex - but only as long as humans are involved.
Imagine all vehicles use a AI and all those AIs follow the same rules. Follow the shortest path to the destination (no hogback or 70MPH testing…), do not hit anything, follow the law, follow the rules - in that order.
You mention the first gen Model S's at about 5:10 into the video. I am a proud owner of one such - a 2013 Model S P85+. I don't have parking sensors at all, I have one camera at the very back, and my cruise control just holds speed, stupidly. Will drive right into a car in front if I'm not paying attention. And I love it (the car, not the potential accident). I'd like to have the new AP stuff, and FSD, but I've already paid off my car, don't feel like doing that dance again. Not for now.
I‘m curious to see VW Travel Assist on this challenge. At least in Germany I’m very pleased with its abilities. This includes reading komplex signs (valid for motorcycles only, only when it rains, only for trucks, time windows, etc.). Also it slows me down so that I‘m at the correct speed limit when it reaches the sign not slamming the breakers after (but this obviously relies on map data).
Thanks for the test and looking forward to the next one 😊👍
I've gone through Germany twice since getting a tesla and the "only when wet" and "time specific" signs have been no problem here either. Might be that they're using the same map data? Or maybe Germany is just a country where map data in general is very accurate compared to some other countries.
44:54 plus 1 for the correction! It looked like a dashed lane not a shoulder until it did.
No, it passed by a 55MPH sign so it dropped to 55 as ordered.
Thanks for the newest FSD Hogsback Kyle.
Question: which system is the best?
Mercedes eqs system or BMW's newest Highway Assistant?
Thanks!
Hello, i was wondering what’s the tint% on the car?
How well does FSD work in the dark, or rainy day traffic with motorcycles weaving in and out?
computer vision is powerful, but it's still got a long way to go. In the software / ML world, they call this "out of distribution" error. Meaning, the model hasn't ever been trained on that thing and it fails miserably. The hardware for FSD has to balance the needs of multiple models running at the same time. In theory you can train bigger models, but will it run efficiently on FSD hardware?
13:25 That's a tight little squeeze back there.
The "reading the signs" thing is both absolutely necessary, and a huge stumbling block. I've had three vehicles that used cameras to read speed limit signs. None were ever 100% accurate even on perfect condition signs. (There's one spot near me where _right before a sharp curve_ on a "rural state highway" the speed limit drops from 45 to 35. (Actual speed limit drop, not "suggested speed" yellow sign.) My Mach-E regularly reads that sign as *85*. Which means if I'm in TACC, it starts speeding up right before a curve I should slow down for.
The other difficult ones for machine systems are "school speed limits" - these are displayed in so many different ways - and "end speed zone," instead of just showing the speed limit again. Both of these require some amount of awareness outside the instant the sign is read. School speed limits may be "M-F 8A-4P on school days" which requires knowing if it's a school day (which can vary from one suburb to the next with district-specific holidays!) or it might be a simple "when lights flash", or a much more complex "when children are present." All require different techniques. And in some situations, getting it wrong in _either_ direction can be terrible. Obviously not slowing down when you should is bad; but there is a school zone near me that slows a 45 MPH zone down to 20 MPH on school days in the morning and afternoon. My Mach-E (in standard TACC) always slows down for it, because it sees a white "20" sign. Which when I'm driving it in mid-July at 8 PM, is a bit obnoxious and messes with traffic.
And the number of "end speed zone" or "end school zone" signs that don't have a number on them, so require the vehicle to know what the speed limit was before are obnoxious. Heck, even I have gotten messed up by these, as I turn on to a rural state highway in a town, where the speed limit is lower, and once I leave the town, all I see is "end speed zone". I have no idea what the speed limit is. It could be 45, 50, 55, or 60. This is one case where mapping data *should* win. "Oh, I see a sign that says a restriction is lifted, what does my map data say?"
The 4 ways came before the car came to a stop and began to inch forward. It will attract people to check on the car or call 911. Better that FSD not pull over onto an unfamiliar shoulder which is a hard to train for situation.
Thanks!
56:05 This is literally the third time on this drive when it tried to go down to 55mph to match the legal speed limit of the road, and you bumped it back up to 65mph, breaking the law. 😆
If you cover the camera. It disables and tells you the camera is covered. The system disables as well even when it's too dark in the car
in some states it is illegal to stay in the left lane unless passing... i was wondering what it dose in those situations or is there a way to tell it not to be in left lane unless passing
I know other states have other things unique to them.. will FSD understand the rules or....
also how does it handle it it passes a strange sign like 65/55truck or 65mph /105kph with one on top or the other on top... i have seen many weird signs out there.
Also how dose it handle construction zones.. and school zones (ones where the speed limit verries if students ther e or not)
Here in Canada FSD regular is stupid with setting max speed, we have cautionary signs for curves they are yellow and usually associated with a single or multiple curve lines and recommended speed (mainly for trucks and slower than max speed depending on the degree of the curve), Tesla FSD (standard) will change the speed to the recommended curve speed and as we do not have signs to show the normal speed limit after the curve speed, FSD continues at the slower speed until another speed limited sign is encountered. Really dumb! I wonder if Canada FSD Beta does this as well?
I hope they fix the bizarre slowdowns in construction on TACC/AP. If there's road cones "closing" the adjacent lane, even if the cones are clearly on the other side of the lines, AP will slow WAY below the posted limit. I don't know how slow it goes, I tried to test it and it was slowing down past 30MPH when the posted limit was 55, and it showed that on the screen. I had to manually take over as cars were coming up behind me. I'm guessing it was going to come to a complete stop.
And yes, mirages totally fake out my M3 TACC. It thinks the car that's a 1/2 mile ahead of me is coming into view and slows down as it thinks I'm suddenly coming up to a stopped car. Cresting hills is the other big phantom brake occurrence.
The "rolling stop" feature was forcibly taken from us by the NHTSA..... >=(
I think I-80 through Parley's Canyon between Salt Lake City and Park City, Ut. would be a similar challenge for FSD.
Lot to improve on FSD beta. Aggressive start stop is irritating and left turn are quite fast. Hope FSD 12 solves all of this
Yes it still needs much refinement.
Improvements seem to continue to happen at a pretty fast pace. It's fine to be critical, like in this video, as long as these improvements continue to take place. It really means that the limit is in passing feedback to the software training software.
“Hope FSD 12 solves all of this” 😂😂
The nag screens, combined with the flaky and not fully baked improper use detection.... Paying 15k and getting locked out is insane.
For $15k, I could buy a car that openpilot supports, and have enough left open to buy a Comma 3. 😆 (Yes it would be a cheap Honda or Toyota, but the point stands.)
I have 275,000 Tesla model S miles, over three vehicles. I can tell you that the phantom braking is very drastic now, in my 2023 model S plaid. However, it is much less frequently than in my earlier vehicles. Also, sometimes no particular reason, but sometimes there is a bridge, usually. Also heavy tar mystery lines in the road caused it once in this most recent vehicle.
I had a recent ding to my confidence in regular autopilot. Everyone knows Phoenix has clear weather most days of the year. I drove in stop and go traffic from a different direction the other day. The lane lines were very faint on the freeway entering Phoenix from the West. I normally think the system can see lane markings better than I can but that day the vehicle really struggled to find lane markings and it was really scary with surrounding vehicles. I have almost 100,000 miles on my 2018 Model 3. I’m most surprised that the stretch of road was such a problem because I would assume there are many commuters who take that road daily in all conditions.
26:04 "Interestingly it said the road is 55mph, when it's 65mph." (As you guys pass a 55mph speed limit sign. 😆)
I am 100% surprised nobody else in the car mentioned this.
Before FSD Beta was live in Canada, I drove my car from the USA to Canada and lost FSD beta at the border, so i'm not so sure that it would work in other countries like India or Mexico.
What about at night?