Why Does "The Voice" Keep FAILING?
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Hey everybody! Thanks for watching this video on "Why Does "The Voice" Keep FAILING?". I've been really interested in all the lore behind singing competition shows lately. The early nostalgia of American Idol, the fact that Simon Cowell created some of the biggest pop bands of the century on The X-Factor...multiple times, and the age old question -- why isn't anyone famous or successful from being on The Voice? They've had 20 seasons within the past decade or so, and very little to show for it. In today's video, I'm trying to figure out that question. Let me know what you think in the comments below!
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The voice isn’t failing - it’s doing exactly what it’s intending to do which is promote its judges
Wrote before watching - so we’re agreed
Exactly. How many damn Maroon 5 songs came out while Adam was on it, vs since he's been off it?
Judges on The Voice only book it to promo their next single or next adventure in Hollywood.
And making cool cash for the creators and Judges.
Yeah, I'm sure the producers already know these talent shows don't automatically produce stars like they used to, so they bring big names and make it all about the coaches to keep audiences entertained.
THIS!
As a former "The Voice" contestant I can confirm nobody knows me
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT hahaha u also have a special place on mine
Holy shit you right, only 240 subs and I saw you on national television. Wow
Wild
Congrats man that’s dope asf tho.
Who are you again?
I think it's also important to point out that, especially in its heyday, American Idol was a MASSIVE boot camp for the singers. Kelly will be the first to tell you this, it's such hard work. They did the live shows for many, many weeks on end, which was a proper stage production in the Nokia Theater in front of a live audience of thousands. That's invaluable experience. Not to mention the top 10 went touring the country.
So *all* the contestants were already presented to the public as true stars.
Meanwhile The Voice happens all on that strange stage, it all looks so amateur.
So true !!!
She said in many interviews even till now that she never worked hard as she worked on idol in her entire career
They also had to write their own stuff eventually too, iirc as soon as they were in Hollywood they had to do so.
The "it's all about the voice" gimmick is such bs because there were too many times (at the time I was watching the show) where no one pushed their button and the judges kept going on about how they wished they did after they saw who was singing... like umm bye
That "I wish I would have pushed my button" annoys the shit out of me 😣😣😣
Especially since half the time the contestants are better than the judges anyway with natural talent, and not auto tune.
Also the blind auditions are like the fifth round of auditions for the contestants to get through. They are judged on looks, by some anonymous casting agent.
Jordan Gray in a nutshell (Voice UK). She has amaaazing stage presence and a solid voice, but no one turned and they were all “omg I should have turned”. At least she was brought on as an alternate when a different contestant dropped out.
ruclips.net/video/JAg-Q2DV35o/видео.html. This is the PERFECT example. She should've been a 4 chair turn easily and the coaches were hesitant because they thought she was really old when she wasn't. Atleast Blake got it though
All you need to know to understand the difference is that people say Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Jordin Sparks, etc won Idol, but they say Blake Shelton, etc., won The Voice.
I never thought of it that way, because you never heard randy say I won idol but the voice coaches brag about his wins, take blake for example. That’s a solid point right there the show is for them and to promote their careers
That's the most shit I ever heard.. Boring
@@mumuniamida7815 idol judges dont act like coaches its a different model to the show, its up to the contestants to build their carrers, the show isnt going to do it for them, many of the voice contestants in portugal that have a musical minded background end up being sucessfull and good singers with a big audience, it's up to the person to work for his carrer not the show
@@vb8428 lol most people only tune in the beginning till some parts of the lives because they keep eliminating people that shouldn’t go and leave country singers
@@mumuniamida7815 And do they go and support those eliminated artists in large numbers?
Sounds like you're only speaking for your reactionary oversensitive self because not only country artists make it to the lives, every team is represented in finals.
Idol judges based on their ability to be stars. Voice judges only on the voice. There are millions of people who can sing very well. Very few of them have "star quality".
Excellent point...I think that, coupled with how little time there is between seasons of "The Voice", is why the "winners" find very little success outside of the show. "Idol" at least spent an entire year promoting their latest winner before the new season started, whereas "The Voice" is putting out 2-3 cycles a year. Genuinely hard to care about the previous season's contestants, or the debut album of the guy who won three back, when the new one is starting next week.
Good point. That's what goes through my head when I see those Tik-Tok compilations with "amazing voices". I keep thinking they have good voices but very few of them have that spark.
Agree. I can sing quite well but I'm a plank of wood lol.
Good point!!
Good point!
Because the contestant doesn’t matter the winner doesn’t matter. You’re a champion for a few months, and have zero promotion during your brief window. 6 months isn’t even enough time to make an album, by the time you get yours out they’ve already crowned 3 more people.
6 months isn’t enough but time to make an album? Since when? Plenty of albums have been made in six months or less. They’re not necessarily good albums, but they’re albums nonetheless.
@@Mrs.Magix58 …..yes, there are many albums put out quickly but keep in mind those are often either made by A) someone already established in the business who already have their connections and crew selected B) not complete full albums but mix tapes or EPs or C) of poor quality. It takes time to get an album right. The amount of remixing, layering, and revisions would make your head spin. Not to mention that if you’re trying to write it yourself, that adds a lot of time to the process. It’s true you can hire songwriters, but that’s expensive. You could put something together in a few months, but it most likely won’t be the quality that you would really want. Keep in mind these winners aren’t trying to be indie artists, but main stream stars.
@@Mrs.Magix58 Plenty of people spend a year or two perfecting an album. 6 months is actually pretty quick to write 10-12 great songs and then record all the elements. its too rushed honestly
Only exception is that the person already has music background and has an album ready just needs editing and mixing. Other than that 6month is quick but it’s possible
@@Mrs.Magix58 Well if you're talking about a crappy album, then you're not wrong
melanie martinez is the only moderately successful person the voice ever produced.
I had never heard of her until the assault accusations lol
this guy called melanie martinez a 'moderately' successful person
@@voyteq6412 she’s yet to pass 10 million sales ww, her recent album didn’t even hit gold, she hasn’t had a song chart in the top 80, her tours grossed so little the numbers aren’t reported and her streams aren’t all that impressive. yes, moderately successful. and i really do like her but let’s be realistic, she’s not really known unless you look.
@@ForestFire369 I still haven’t heard of her and not going to look her up.🤣
@@simmy1251 Her streams on spotify are pretty impressive plus her RUclips views
It’s very frustRting that they literally only do two genres of music. It’s either pop or country and never anything else.
I agree that being said I like country and pop music so I don’t mind but I can see how that would get old
Yeah! Get some rock singers on there! Some soul singers! R & B, Blues... I don’t care which genre, just have some variety in the singers!
Right. Even when they have R&B or soul singers come, they sort of lump them in with the pop people. I want to see a rapper go through the voice. But first they need a rapper as a coach
@@tenee8088 having three pop people on at once is exhausting and annoying. I need an actual rock coach and not Adam.
If the judges were picked by genra they sing, then you might see more. But all of them do pop with one doing county pop.
I followed a former Voice finalist who said what the show did for him was the expert vocal coaching (not the stars, the Voice staff). He already had a successful career as a singer songwriter but the show really helped him improve his vocal artistry. He didn’t get a lot more fans, he went back to his home fan base with an improved product.
Ya, that's the other secret. The real vocal coaches don't get recognized, only the celeb team coaches who don't really do the work.
Was it Adam Wakefield?
The Voice cuts everyone who isn't at least a 9/10 in tryouts. I've been there. I've seen who gets through and who doesn't.
"we turn our chairs around so we're not biased"
Yeah somehow I knew that was bullshit. Just once I wanted to see their reaction to somebody who can sing like Celine Dion but didn't have a supermodel build.
Yeah I notice that the voice always has the best people in tryouts when compared to American idol or x factor
Dude some of those people are awful and make it.
you know for some reason I thought you meant 9/10 like how good they were at singing instead of how attractive they are as is the usual use of that phrasing - I am a dummy
Like Alfo Media said it would be more interesting if the constants were not 9s and 10s
All they care about is a sob story and how much vibrato the singer has, they disregard anything that isn't that formula.
I thought that was only an AGT thing
The coaches, I don't really understand their criteria, it seems to differ from season to season but I will say they put to much emphasis on "I think I can win with this person" and not enough on "this person deserves to shine." When it gets to the audience vote, the audience seems to have an unusual penchant for voting through an attractive young heterosexual blonde girl. Not 100% of the time, but they seem to make it far at an abnormally high rate.
Ugh The sob stories are the worst!!!! American idol does it too, I cannot even watch audition clips on RUclips because of the click bait sob stories.
If a contestant on the voice doesn't have a sob story, are they a real contestant?
Don’t forget mediocre falsettos
Meanwhile now the washed up celebrities now have to move to the masked singer to get a bit more popular
so true, also afro media should do an video on The Masked Singer
It's so sad that Ariana Grande (one of the biggest popstar today) has to be judge, for what Ari? Being a judge in talent show is only for ''washed up celebrity'' , sorry but that's real.
@@thankuslay6766 I meant the people who sing on it but the judges, I know nothing about the judges
So are you calling Kermit the Frog a washed up celebrity?
@@evapalma9899 not hating on kermit... he has been less popular as of late but he is still king of the frogs.
I can save you the trouble- Glee answered this question in one line: “You’re not a star, you’re just a girl who can really sing.” The Voice focuses on the talent and they want the best singers and it’s a celebration of that talent. Which is fine, Problem is talent doesn’t equal success in the music industry. So they don’t produce stars, just people who can really sing.
Nice point
Carrie Underwood was just a hometown girl with a voice. She was pretty and could sing but she busted her ass to create an image and a good work ethic...that is why she became a superstar. She was smart enough to know it is not just about voice but the entire package and that is why her concerts are the best I have ever seen. She gives her all, giving a show of glamorous clothing changes and wonderful visuals. Not just a popularity contest but the package as a whole.
Just what I wanted to say...just having voice is not enough
I just read an article about why some kpop trainees don’t get to debut or pass auditions and one of the trainers said that it’s because having a good voice doesn’t equal stage presence, wow factor or the work ethic to be a star
I mean... it is called The Voice for a reason.
The whole “we don’t care what you look like” schtick of The Voice is a sham…Adam Lambert is weirder than anyone The Voice has ever had come close to winning
Ironically American Idol who gave clay Aiken a chance despite his looks.
Omg yess his audition was had me rolling and standing up for an ovation at the end
Adam was a “normal” guy up till the finals if I remember correctly. Then he did a complete 180 change after the show.
I don't like how the judges can block each other from turning the chair. I believe it's another way the show revolves around the judges because what if the contestant genuinely wanted to be coached by someone who is then blocked
What in the natural fudge... they actually do that now??? I stopped watching years ago and I remember when the steal was new. This act of blocking sounds goddamn ridiculous
Yes, I totally agree with you. It's especially sad when they do that on The Voice Kids. I'm glad the Blocked button doesn't exist in Germany (yet...).
@@thesella they mostly do it when a contestant is singing one of the judge’s song, fellow judges try to keep them from choosing
I think it's funny how the only successful contestant to ever be on the voice is Melanie Martinez, who didn't even win the competition.
That's exactly why she's successful. She didn't win, so she went ahead to a company that provided her better promotion and resources than the Voice's contract ever could
Also Christina Grimmie (RIP)
Yeah I no idea she was in a reality competition. I always thought she was a self promoted artist who got signed/popular. Which I guess is true lol yikes
@@escjacob541 Christina Grimmie was hugely famous and successful waaayyy before she got on the Voice tho. Like she had millions of followers on RUclips alone, BEFORE the Voice.
@@quizzlybear the voice made her nationally known
Did you just call Paula Abdul "kinda famous"? I guess you don't know how big Forever Your Girl truly was. It was the biggest debut album at the time, the first debut to have 4 singles go to number one and 7X platinum. 3rd best selling album of 1989,6th best selling album of 1990 ,53rd best selling album of the whole 90s and 10th best selling album by a female solo act. She was just as big as Janet and Madonna. In fact both Rhythm nation 1814 and Like A Prayer didn't chart higher than Forever Your Girl in some instances.
paula abdul was basically katy perry of 80s, have a really huge peak in like 5 years or something but then quickly washed off
Paula was basically unknown again in 2002 though.
@@FormerRuling yeah but he said kinda famous in 80s.
Should've been massively big in the 80s not much after 93.
Paula Abdul ain't shit. That girl sang offkey on the record. - Whitney Houston
I agree. Paula Abdul was a pretty big in the 80’s. Not just a pop star, but probably the most well known choreographer. Her videos are iconic and I still enjoy her music and choreography
Paula Abdul was more than “moderately famous” in the 80’s.
Lmfao...I was just checking that..she was a phenomenon. He probably wasn't born. Hahaha!!
Randy Jackson was a guitarist for Journey so not exactly an unknown.
Yeah…..
Christina Grimmie is the only contestant that could have been a “success story” Melanie Martinez is the most famous and she’s not that famous.
Correction was, may she rest in peace
Christina Grimmie was already famous with millions of views on youtube.. She pioneered being a youtube singing sensation.. And she was even friends with Slena Gomez even before she joined the voice.. I hope she never joined the voice, she would have been alive and making youtube videos for millions of her fans right now 😢
I auditioned for the voice, and they absolutely take your appearance into consideration for the first audition. If you're less attractive, you have to have something about you that sticks out like wearing a nose ring and other facial piercings. Also, I heard the producers say "I have 2 Janet Jackson background singers that need to catch a flight soon." Do with that information what you will.
That’s how it is for any audition, you have to stand out. Kelly clarkson said the same and she was the first, it’s the reason she made her Jean dress and till now people remember her for that outfit.
@@mumuniamida7815 yeah but I seriously doubt that was her first audition. I feel like that Jean dress was chosen by the network.
@@DannyDopamineTV that wasn’t the first stage, but she was specifically asked not to wear anything black or plain but she had just one t shirt and a Jean. So she cut the trousers into a dress
I think the most important point was timing-in the early 2000’s, American Idol was one of the ONLY places you could watch the talent of “regular” people. By the time The Voice aired, we were already very entertained by the bedroom-studio music RUclipsrs popping up from across the globe.
What might be interesting is to look at the roots of "the Voice". The show orignates from the Netherlands where in the first season the coaches were Angela Groothuizen, Jeroen van der Boom, Nick & Simon, and Roel van Velzen. picking one off these coaches felt more like picking a "hogwarts house" rather than picking just one off the celebrities. One off the problems America has with the show is that there are so many famous musicians. All the original coaches of "the voice" in the Netherlands were these kind of legends in their own genre. But the show never produced any famous people, but neither did Idols so thats probably another problem.
Melanie Martinez began her career on the voice and she has billions and billions of streams as well as millions and millions of sales. She has broken records and is considered the most successful artist from The Voice to date.
@@melaniesapple but the voice didn’t help her get that successful she had to do it on RUclips
TVOH has produced plenty of famous people on a national level. Internationally speaking, Duncan Laurence got his start there. Sadly, the talent has simply dried out by now, but plenty of people from the earlier seasons are still on TV regularly.
I honestly quit watching TVOH after one episode it was clear to me that ben saunders would win and in the end he did it felt soooo fake for some reason
Also dutch Idol was fun in auditions but the people that were there that got through to the finals they were boring as hell there was just nothing special about them
Christina Grimmie not being mentioned in the first The Voice lineup was criminal :/
But she was famous before The Voice and the video is talking about discovering new talent. So imo it’s almost insulting to attribute her success towards the show. She didn’t need that joke of a show.
When I saw her on The Voice I was like 'Why?!?' She definitely didn't need it. Anyway, RIEP beautiful queen. 👑
She was already RUclips famous.
Even the fact that she died right in the middle of her breakthrough is more painful when you think of it.
Correction: Paula Abdul was successful as hell in her time and Simon Cowell created so many successful artists. The voice is not just about the judges, but rather their drama. But American Idol took a shit too when they switched judges.
The Voice doesn't care about contestants, they are merely props to provide material necessary for the "coaches" inane, childish banter.
Thank you! Finally someone pointed that out.
I've always pointed this out to my mother and can sing better than 75% anyways
One of the main problems with singing competition shows today is that the judges/coaches do you not have a strong enough connection to A&R/production. Simon was willing to put everything he had into the winners of Idol so he looked successful. He name was on the line. There's no embarrassment/shame of the winner isn't successful anymore.
Yeah Simon, Randy and paula followed Kelly even years after she won
Melanie Martinez is basically the only famous and successful contestant and she didn't even win
Morgan Wallen is bigger than she is
He got caught screaming the N word in this climate and had a #1 album for seven weeks that broke records
Before that he had his SNL scandal and he got arrested at kid rocks bar
It’s not my type of music or person but that’s impressive
@@kjlandon9140 idk man, i don't think he's that famous outside the US, while melanie is
@@markly5460 he still sold more than she ever did.
Blake Shelton being a judge is probably the one thing I hate about it the most lol
It’s literally just the Blake Shelton promo show. He’s literally so unlikable, and his advice is always so dog shit.
I don’t mind Blake, but the show had sort of become about him. Which is somewhat understandable since he is one of the original coaches, but still
Shelton is the most supportive coach on the show.
Finally, my kind of people lmao!
@@kwadwothestan I dont hate him but he has to go
Ay melanie martinez scandal was proven false and she slaps. Went platinum too. But I agree the voice kinda sucks lmao
@@Rick-fn5qg nah i’m good lil bro
@@Rick-fn5qg ok lol
Ironically Dr.Phil's show created more "superstars" if you know what I mean, haha
That’s so crazy and you’re absolutely right 😅
Exactly lol
oh god the “cash me awsah how bow da” girl
Can't say i do know what you mean but dr phil is an odd name for a singing show
Melanie Martinez has 1 platinum album with all 16 tracks certified gold or higher (the most by a female artist) and made a whole feature film. I think you are underestimating her a little
He is. This channel is bias and trash, He doesn’t know yet he talks about artists with like little following
And I still never heard of her before
@@prettyastri are you really mad that they know your favorite flop artist?! #Tragic
@@wilfredoanunezpacheco5367 Melanie Martinez isn’t a flop artist 😂, And do you see how this channel talks about so so so underground artists? And not even an artist with 11 million monthly listeners on Spotify, 12.6 million subscribers on RUclips, and had the most searched album of 2019 along with few other artist’s albums, isn’t a flop artist.
@@prettyastri you have to make a difference between having a very good commercial album having an ACTUAL ver good commercial career/image. If you walk in the street and ask them if they know Melanie Martinez it will make a difference.
Not to mention that her album had his peak and popularity way after its release.
Used to always watch this with my family for the first few seasons and then it got boring. When Ariana grande is on I’ll probably watch it for a couple episodes but eh.
Also Melanie Martinez has well known songs with younger generations and the girl who accused her of rape came out and said she made it all up for attention”
Fr used to be a big fan up until around 2016, shit got boring and stale by then
Coming from a girl who was born in 2005, Melanie is definitely very popular among my demographic especially around the Crybaby era. Back in the day, she was associated with the “alternative pop” ring (twenty one pilots/halsey/troye sivan/panic at the disco/marina/etc). I have a friend who has little interest in pop culture (she doesn’t even know who Rihanna is) and she listens to Melanie pretty often.
Also, Christina Grimmie was a well-known contestant (who lost), but a lot of her fame came from her RUclips career, so I’m not sure if she counts.
@@Amy-wr7pf also born in 2005 lol! And yeah the crybaby tee shirts were seen on the daily in middle school, I remember watching her dollhouse music video RELIGIOUSLY. I think Christina Grimme counts, I didn’t know much of her but I can put the face with the name and a lot of people loved her.
It makes me really upset that that's the only thing he knows about her :(
Yea I was gonna say similar things to Melanie, I've listened to her for years and also know how her former friend made up that drama to get attention on herself for her music coming out
Just a reminder the accuser of the whole Melanie Martinez thing has since said it was fake and she lied
@@Rick-fn5qg dude, you find it everywhere that Melanie was innocent and Timothy is a shit liar. But here:
m.ruclips.net/video/kd8zr1lSzwo/видео.html
m.ruclips.net/video/6F2bgmoWKQE/видео.html
@@Rick-fn5qg Apparently the dates that the accuser has, consistently, given about the incident were days that Melanie was literally out of state and doing a show. I'm not a huge fan though, so I don't know much more.
Melanie Martinez is the most known person from the voice, even though she isn’t big big like others, she recognized and she still is pretty famous
I know right? The blatant disregard with her in this video is infuriating.
@@Edood frs
There’s also Christina Grimmie
Places places, get in your places.
@@escjacob541 She already had a pretty good RUclips singing career tho. Plus, her brutal shooting cristallized her as a musically talented victim, who was taken away from us far too soon. It's very different.
Christina said it best after leaving, that it'd stopped being a show about the voice and became a show about the sobbiest story. No one there cares enough to push the artists because the focus is always on the wrong things: sob stories, judges, guest judges etc, not artists and their music. You have to be extra stubborn to make it afterwards and get decent amount of recognition (Melanie Martinez).
Even Christina has said she doesn’t understand why they haven’t been able to really have someone make it big out of there.
Idol's downfall was the fact that all the pretty really talented women were voted off by week 7 and only the cute men remained, no matter what. It's why the had to invent the save. The
Voice goes through contestants so fast, you don't really get to know their talents or see their musical growth or just make any kind of bond with them.
YES! That’s one thing that always annoyed me about the Voice. I felt like I never really got to know most of the contestants. Everything loves so fast
I think it's because people dont look to tv shows to produce superstars now when the internet does that already people blow up off tiktok faster than they would ever blow up off a show like the Voice
The only thing about the voice I like is the judging is done by some actual vocalists (Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson, etc). American Idol hired one of the least vocally knowledgeable and talented singers in the game who stole hits from other artists (Jennifer Lopez)
Very interesting, because in the Netherlands this is completely different, people who win are really big afterwards and after a few seasons I can say that most of the winners are now well known/belong to the permanent core of "famous Dutch"
Only a few of them. Ben Saunders was big for a while, but is forgotten now.
Maan and Samantha Steenwijk are pretty much the only ones who really got a career out of it.
The funniest part is that Blake acknowledges that the show has never created a superstar ON the show.
Ironically, here in Brazil the exact opposite happened. Our licensed Idol show - and subsequent ripoff with the exact same cast of judges airing in another network - would significantly drop in ratings every season once the audition stage was over and no one really became a star out of it, while The Voice did make a few stars and people genuinely care about the competition aspects and watch it throughout the season.
Melanie is pretty big tho
True, but she is in the alternative group as far as music goes. I'm not surprised that he doesn't know her.
After American Idol's success all of the other singing shows hosted by Simon and other famous people became like The Voice, a cult for the judges. Every reality show has a plot, a story that we follow, and on these shows the plot actually revolves more around judge's drama than on the contestants, that's why the moment we get the most information on the contestants is when they're auditioning, after that they just replay the key points of the participants story
You are so right about The Voice. Even at their auditions, they sound accomplished and already has beens artists with albums and careers. Whereas in American Idol they seem raw and inexperienced and ready to blossom. American Idol also has atrocious singers among the good ones, whereas The Voice singers seem perfect from the start. But thank God, at least you hear no complaints that The Voice singers are made to sign impossibly abusive contracts like they almost always do for American Idol winners.
Well about that. After Cassadee won she got signed to a pretty decent label. Finally got a Platinum Album and award nominations and and still got jerked around by the label. Getting submissions rejected for the second album time after time. Forced writing sessions that she had little to no creative input. Especially after she was already an established writer. Her fans and herself included prayed that she’d get drop and go independent. That’s what she did. She deserves better but at least she’s happy now.
Melanie Martinez is quite well known I'd say. In her genre/niche she is massive. The accusations were proven false and no charges were filed so the way you presented her was biased and shows her in a bad light.
At least Kelly is trying to support the people from her after the show. She has collabed, invited them on her show, and toured with contestants of the voice from her team. So at least she’s trying but it’s not doing to much. Also Jordan smith did a song with Celine Dion and his song stand in the light did play on the radio some but that’s about it. The voice did bring him back once to congratulate him on being the most successful voice contestants (his Christmas albums also do relatively well) but I only know this because I’m a fan of him not because he’s a household name.
The audacity to say Paula Abdul wasn’t famous…unbelievable! Paula was insanely famous in the late 80s and was a famous choreographer for an nba team…the lakers I think. She wasn’t just some choreographer…she was a singer. She had a cartoon cat dancing with her and Keanu Reeves was in one of her music videos.
I mean you’re not wrong about the shows being different bc of the focus, but you’re totally wrong about Paula at least not being famous. She was the most famous of the three IMO.
She was also Janet Jackson's choreographer during rhythm nation and pleasure principal eras.
Judith Hill was already a legend when she was a contestant. She was Michael Jackson's last backup singer and she was one of the stars of 20 feet from stardom, which won a best doc Oscar. Seeing her there was baffling. She makes some of the baddest of badass funk now, she's awesome.
So there’s this guy I’m sure no one remembers. He was on Team Christina, and I think he came in 3rd?? This guys name is Chris Man. He’s not trying that hard to get album sales, but he was nominated for a Tony and even though he doesn’t rely on music sales I think he might have won a Grammy. Idk how well Jordan is doing but he is a Christian singer and it’s a lot harder to make it there
I bought Jordan's Christmas record and love it.
This is the voice
Read that shit like the jingle. Nice
The Voice focuses on vocals while American Idol looks at the whole package: appearance, charisma, and talent. Nowadays, it takes more than just vocals to be a commercially successful singer. Music companies are looking for unique performers and/or original songwriters.
I think one of the reasons the Voice has not been successful in creating stars is the 2 seasons a year thing. Just as last season's winner is about to put out an album, the next season starts and takes the air out of the balloon for anyone from the last season. The record company more often than not drops the winner before they can even get in the studio, or insists they record something totally contrary to their style.
Another thing that hurts the show is that the coaches in the early seasons often chose contestants who had wedding-singer talent. Those people often have pipes, but not artistry or uniqueness. Some extremely talented people got cut by the coaches in really dumb decisions. (I can think of one in particular, but every Voice viewer has their own "What The??" moment, I am sure.) Then by the time you get to the finals, the audience voting leans heavily on country singers, cute boys and whatever wedding singers are left -- basically votes from country fans, tweens and older people. (And I say that as an older person -- but an older person obsessed with punk.)
I stopped watching the Voice about 4 seasons ago, because the lack of support for the artists, and the focus on the coaches (and their dumb banter which is left in while some singers' auditions are cut for time!) was too dispiriting -- like what is the point if those artists are going to fade into oblivion again?
Adam Lambert was the first gay celebrity I ever heard of as a kid in the 2000s. He was big, but I bet he would've been even bigger without that stigma.
Still, I'm obviously glad he did come out. 'For Your Entertainment' was the first record I ever owned (the sexy songs went right over my head), and it kinda opened my eyes to possibility of even being LGBTQ. Even back in 2009, the culture was completely different; hearing Adam Lambert singing about putting eyeliner on and flirting with men blew my mind and felt totally revolutionary.
"This women I only know for the wrong reasons" well about that....
That situation has really confused me. Mind helping me find out what happened?
@@WHITEPERSUAS1ON Basically to make a whole long story short, Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller were friends. Melanie released her debut album in 2015 and received good praise for it while Timothy wasn't really popular or whatever. In December 2017 Timothy was like "Someone r*ped me." And then later went on to confirm it was Melanie Martinez And how she peered pressure her into it and she didn't even want to do it in the first place but Melanie just kept insisting. Timothy also went to explain that it happened like somewhere in June or July ish which was when Melanie was on tour. Timothy also shared pictures of Melanie but like she had a completely different hairstyle and like Melanie was in the cuffs and such. Along with that she just completely kept changing her story and like the week after she released about her story she also started promoting her new music so it kind of seemed like a marketing tactic. Melanie went ahead and was like "no that didn't happen You never said no" which also doesn't mean that she didn't say yes but you know. Melanie released a song which is now like unreleased which is about how Timothy just used her for clout and everything was fake. In retrospect like a couple things really just point to it that Timothy lied about the situation with the pictures of Melanie's different hairstyle at the time, The changing up of her story, the fact that in between the times of the incident and her coming out with it, she was acting all Buddy Buddy dressing up as Melanie and going to her house and spending time together and whatever. It just didn't make sense which was when people started realizing that Timothy was in the wrong and then she just made up the thing. There's also been some pictures released in 2020 that supposedly have her apologizing even though they're not really proven factual and such. Sorry for the essay but this is what happened lol.
Still don't understand how he doesn't know about Melanie Martinez' music and even though she was on a big singing contest he only heard of her because of some weird controversy that wasn't even confirmed. While I'm here often watching his videos and wondering who the fuck are most of the people he's talking about and I listened to almost every Melanie Martinez song without even knowing she was on the Voice or ever had controversies.
@@dmitryrodionov2386 to be fair tho, he did make the point of how the voice doesn't really promote their winners. Plus Melanie isn't really his genre area and she was a bit hidden before the scandal so it wouldn't be the most wild thing in the world. She was famous but mainly more now since K-12. Still kinda sad that he don't know the music tho
@@dmitryrodionov2386 this comment is so contradictory lol. we all operate in different scenes he just never came across her music.
The Voice is a show for promoting the careers of the judges - nothing else.
Paula Abdul was huge in the late 1980s. The difference is by the time she was on Idol, she was long gone as a pop icon. The people on Voice are huge now.
The voice actually goes out of thier way to specifically contact youtube celebrities, Broadway Actors, old time actors/performers, song writers: washed up or otherwise to audition. Some outlets and celebrities who have auditioned have said they would be promised media coverage and sometimes payment regardless of their outcome on the show. For example, Cupid (The cupid shuffle guy) who didnt make it past auditions still had a lot of footage on the episode as well as multimedia coverage after the airing of his episode.
*American Idol is the standard, I feel like The Voice focuses drastically on the judges as to American Idol is all about the contestants and Katy Perry, Lionel, and Luke are just a reason why we are attracted to the show* 👏🏻
I saw the 15 season of X Factor UK and Nile Rodgers from Chic was a judge alongside Simon, one of the guys from One Direction and an American actress?
Still, Mr Rodgers is a class act. I really enjoyed watching him on the show.
Carrie Underwood has 7 grammys, not 3. She's an american queen!!!!
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You nailed it perfectly. For the longest time voice was just the Blake and Adam show. And there’s always a backstory of hardship to bring you in. It’s the same failed formula.
You should also add the newest rendition of American Idol (on ABC) is failing,too. They picked contestants with a hardship story and a talent pool is weak.
Exactly! It’s all about the judges. And I can assure you the judges are not there mentoring their teams. Miley and Kelly were the most involved and that was just through notes. Adam was the least involved.
I think belittling Koryn Hawthorne, Cassadee Pope, and Melanie Martinez as semi successful people I’ve never heard of is a bit rude considering two of your more popular videos are about the genre of Outsider Music and Math Rock (the video I found your channel from). You don’t have to be Ariana Grande to be successful and be good.
Like I get that you had to make a bit of it when comparing them to American Idols success but just because “you in particular personally haven’t heard of them” is a lot when you talk about musicians like Brockhampton and Sufjan Stevens a lot on the channel.
Him calling Paula Abdul "kinda famous" made him look like an idiot. A glance at the forever your girl Wikipedia page was all the research he needed on her. That's like if somebody in 20 years has that Lady Gaga was slightly famous just because she was really big for two years.
@@Chelaxim if in 20 years the average 16 year old couldn't tell you who lady Gaga is, then maybe that's fitting? Abdul was a huge deal during her time, but very quickly got mostly forgotten. The main point they were making js the 3 judges weren't celebrities, and they weren't trying to be celebrities. Vs the voice, where every single judge isnt just a celebrity but a HUGE celebrity. It steals focus from the contestants in the way a pilled up 80s pop star never would.
@@Chelaxim Dude, Paula stopped being relevant when she stopped being a singer in the mid-1990s. She only got famous again when she was on American Idol, and then she left again and her fame once again sanked, so yeah she's "kinda famous". She's not a legend nor an icon really. She has some hit songs, but no one is talking about her like that as your average celebrity and singer.
Yall get so offended when people don't worship your favu celebrity as feverishly as you do yourselves.
@@devontehuntley6274 the statement in the video was “moderately successful in the 80s and 90s”. We are not talking about her legacy here, it’s just specific to that era based in that statement. At her peak in the 80s, Paula wasn’t some average starlet. She was HUGE. So yes, that statement is incorrect.
well, Paula was SUPER famous during her prime on the late '80s she was the face for American Idol during its first season, But... her main background for the show was that BEFORE she became super famous she worked backstage spotting talent and transforming that talent into superstars. Anyway Simon Cowell was asked about these type of shows now... and he said something that its true, the problem is basically "Singers judging Singers" which means that, unlike the original idol judges, the voice and the new judges from american idol just want to increase their fame, they don't want to find a new superstar who can at some poiny compete with them, they just want to become more famous.
That didn't happen when Simon, Paula and Randy judged idol..they did wanted to find someone talented to turn him or her into a superstar because their reputation depedended on that. Even Paula, she didn't use idol to promote her singing career or anything when she felt she wanted to focus on performing again she left the show.
On the topic of music related tv competitions they're making a new show about rock bands competing with their original music. Alice Cooper and Lzzy Hale are two of the judges. I'm curious on how the show is going to turn out tho I usually despise reality tv
Gear Gods is having a song contest and so far there were probably three decent songs out of the 100 or so so far presented. Thee are about 900 more entries to go. I have a strong feeling that those songs on the show will be written by other people just to have some quality.
In the Netherlands it's exactly the opposite. Nobody succeeds on Idols, but if you win on the voice, you'll get hella famous in most cases
Ngl, this the first time I've seen someone defend American Idol like that...😕
It isn't about the show, but the labels. When American Idol first came out, it was the extension of a British show created by a music label. That's where Simon came in because he was an A&R guy working for the label. In short, it was a start to finish process to find and then promote the next star for the label. When that label left the show, American went down hill for the same reason the Voice never started. The winner was given to a label that had a 360 contract if the winner signed. 360 contracts are very bad so the winner didn't sign and then didn't get anywhere. There was even some contestants on both shows purposely trying to prevent becoming the winner so they wouldn't have to get a label contract they didn't want.
There is also the question of money in the industry. Just look at a much older show called Star Search which easily produced more famous acts than American Idol, America Got Talent, The X factor and the Voice combined. In the singing categories, most of the people that became stars actually lost with only a couple of winners doing OK. One won a Tony for Wicked. The other is one of the top female blues singers of all time having as many number one blues albums as Eric Clapton a song she wrote then sang on the show in 1993 still being sung by TV singing contestants around the world and her music is used in high level skating contests such as the Olympics.
I also find it weird how some of the coaches aren’t great singers themselves. I like Pharrell, but like, is he even that great at singing? Not really.
This is specifically true with Gwen Stefani, her singing voice is atrocious, more than anyone else on the show
@@karpaslatka5734 You really going to sit here and say that Shakira is a better singer?
That can be said about the acts on the current Hot 100.
Were the judges on American Idol great singers?
@@vacuumblink2300 No, but two worked for A&R with one working for the label that would be working for the winner. They were not just looking for somebody that would sing well, but somebody that could perform on stage as well.
I’m from Australia. The Voice Australia, Guy Sebastian who’s a judge, his brother won the current season WTF lol
I remeber when Cupid went on the voice to show he's more than the cupid shuffle.... then performed the cupid shuffle lol
It's a real shame people only know Melanie for those accusations when they ended up not even being true. She's a very talented singer/songwriter and she deserves more than that imo
I also admire the fact she directs all her music videos and not only scripted and directed whole film but also released in for free on youtube the same day it was released in cinemas. She doesn't seem to write about her personal affairs as much as about societal issues which also isn't common in the industry.
2 seasons a year, focusing too much on the country genre, 0 post-competition support for singers ... too many factors for its burnout and failures
Don't forget Adam Lambert on idol. You are right. The voice is all about the coaches. Judith Hill sang with Prince and Billy Gilman sang with Michael Jackson. They were already professionals when they went on the voice.
It's that damn turning chairs
And the voice hooked up gwen and Blake 😂
I know this is not really all that relevant to the conversation but since I know the full context I want to share it.
The girl at 2:04 is Melanie Martinez, she became fairly big on the alternative scene since 2014 with her debut Single "Dollhouse" (No thanks to her time on The Voice tho) and was accused of r*pe in 2017.
The media coverage of the events was incredibly biased to one side, the headline shown in the video quotes her statement about the allegations with the "she never said no" implying she admitted the allegations when her full sentence was "she never said no to what we *decided* to do together" deliberately omiting the part which confirms there was consent just for crowd and clicks.
no solid evidence has been made public that 100% confirms either side is othe right but the person who accused her lost a lot of credibility when they started altering their story about the incident when contradictory evidence was brought up.
just wanted to clear things up.
I can tell you're on reddit alot
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The coverage is usually dishonest and biased when it comes to these types of controversies. Its like the media gets all their info about a allegations straight from twitter and no where else. They are only fair to a few big names
Trust me, American Idol is a mere shadow of it's former "glory". It is just a showcase for Katy's nonsense. The actual competition between the finalists is totally rushed, I never even have time to learn their names and I for SURE have no favorite.
The Voice coaches never coach except for the photo ops. I don't know who works with them, IF anyone. It's so fake. I also read that The Voice will not have two seasons per year now, only one. Perhaps they can make it better?
While I agree with the points being made I just have two notes:
- you did not just call Melanie Martinez “this woman” 💀
- season 13 of the Voice was PHENOMENAL
IKR Mel is like one of the most known people who blew up from the voice 💀
I wouldn't of mentioned melanie either lol there's a reason why these channels don't mention her like that
@@kissedbythevoid but why
@@kissedbythevoid A year later and you still haven't explained your "reason" that obviously doesn't exist
i always look forward to new alfo media, great video!
It seemed to me that the voice was trying to be more serious or “legit” than idol by omitting the wacky/bad audition dudes that idol would have in its prelims trying to give credence to its premise that it’s about the voice of its contestants although in reality it’s mostly about promoting the judges as you said it’s kinda of funny to think that the goofball would be contestants of idols auditions are more well known than the actual contestants of the voice I certainly have William hung burned into my memory
Christina Aguilera herself said The Voice is a "fake sh*t" and it not about music. She even released a song about it called "Sick of Sitting".
You missed what, for me, is the main thing. On The voice, every time the judges hit that button, the audio gets cut over entirely by this random jarring audio BOOM-swish. Performances are seriously artificially shortened already, more so, I think than on Idol, and there still the crowd noise. Do we even KNOW how these people sound? Is there any genuine caring for the experience of being transported by a song, rather that maybe a few well-sung virtuosic notes? The attention span just isn't respectful of any kind of real love of music.
great video, never really thought about this subject that way, but.. melanie martinez is actually pretty huge. also, they make it seem like if you go on The Voice, you’re getting judged solely by your vocals but by now, everyone knows it’s bullshit. you have to go to a casting beforehand, with different “judges” yes, but these people are seeing your appearance lmao.. and they definitely have it in mind in deciding if you pass or not. it’s just boring TV shenanigans
I mean, I don’t think anyone really cares about music shows anymore. Popularity is way down from the early season of Idol. Plus, The Voice is just that “a voice”. American Idol is about being a star, even if your voice is weaker. Having charisma and looking like a star is way more important now than having a good voice and looking like an average Joe.
I might be totally wrong about this, but didn’t Taylor Swift audition at American Idol too? I faintly remember the hosts being impressed by her songwriting and stage presence (which is one of the main reasons why she stood out in country music), but she never really returned to the show nor did she ever talk about it. Swifties were never able to find videos from her audition either.
wait what! im a huge t swift fan but i never knew that!
@@shi_. idk it is kind of a Mandela effect thing between older swifties. Like some of us remember her singing a song about red boots when she was 11-ish at the show. It could have been someone else ig 😂
no u could be mixing up things bc I watched all episodes in American Idol and she she never appeared
um i think she didn't. she just moved to nashvile and went from labels to labels to give them demo cds of her writing and singing songs. apart from that, she just played guitar and sang at fairs, festivals, bars, cafes or some small talent shows and then scott brochetta discovered her at blue bird cafe.
@@sabrinasadeghi9037 at around 11, Taylor wouldn't have been old enough for Idol, and the show never allowed original songs until well after Taylor Swift was already a megastar. Plus, if the show had footage of a young Taylor Swift performing, they would've milked the heck out of that in later seasons.
The voice doesn’t give the contestants enough time to develop a relationship with the public and there is no audience engagement to creat a sense of ownership. I think the Voice does end up with better singers but they are definitely not the point.
The Voice to me is a really entertaining show that showcases some impressive singing talent. However, it should be treated just as such and nothing more.
Its simple. The winners have great voice but not everybody is a STAR.
You make excellent points. I’m not much of a music aficionado but even I can see how much support Idol contestants get from the judges right from the moment they audition and how different that is from the Voice. I especially appreciate Katy Perry’s advice as it’s not just focused on contestants singing but just as often on where their head is at.
3:06 Paula Abdul at her peak was more than just “eh” famous. She was huge in the late 80s and early 90s. She just didn’t stay in the spot light as long as some of her contemporaries, so by the time American Idol rolled around she seemed more dated vs someone like Madonna who was still churning out hits at that point. But Paula’s debut album was huge, and “Straight Up” was one of those songs you couldn’t get away from even if you tried.
I 10000000% cannot agree more! I have always felt this way and I always tell people why I hate the Voice! Thank U for finally saying it!
Also on "The Voice" on every season, at least two judges says "l have never heard a voice like yours." It is such a cliché
I could be wrong, but isn’t Kelly Clarkson’s show on the same tv network as the voice? Wouldn’t be surprised if being on the Voice helped make the way for her show.
They rely on the star the other show made lol
@@standardofexcellence actually if you watch her talk show, she's way better than Ellen, Drew, Wendy. and I'm sorry to say Steve Harvey. I don't think it would have mattered which network she's on
Well said. Also, it would be cooler if nobody ever sees the contestant until the finale. Then it would always be about the voice.
Also pop country is textbook pandering. Blake Shelton makes garbage music.
Let’s be honest, Jessica Sanchez’s Idol loss was the reason a looot of people stopped watching American Idol
Joshua ledet shouldve won
@@Official.tadiwa idgaf who should’ve won, as long as it wasn’t Philip philips 🤠
And yet Gabby Barrett became a huge star after so many years of American idol in the air.
@@amaraokeke419 when they said Phillip I was like crt + alt + delete
@@Official.tadiwa right like I couldn’t take it
Fan fact: Melanie Martinez would be bigger if her "friend" Timothy heller didn't put fake rape allegations...but she is still popular and a very famous artist in the alternative/pop genre
The voice is more like a reality tv show
Let's get real. Idol failed too. There are only three people that where in the show that have become superstars. There are maybe two others that I sort of remember. You are right about the Voice in the US though. However, in the rest of the world it actually has made several people successful. People from the original Voice in the Netherlands are now international artists. Same with the people from the Voice of Australia and the Voice of Germany as well as some of the acts from Asian countries.
I think you really hit the nail on the head... a lot of choices make more sense when you understand that starting point fact. Idol was about the contestants and Voice is about the judges.