I think the difference between this and things like the Elytra or other things is that it's a building block, it will never make other woods obselete because Other woods work better for certain builds. Most builders don't just make a build and say, "I need some wood", they say "I need some _____ wood" because each of the wood types works better for different builds.
Yes, but delegating a whole type of block with core mechanics like that to "hey, you look nice" and nothing much else makes the game more shallow. We can see things like this with copper. You only need it for two or three lightning rods for wool builds high in the sky (if you build that stuff) or a singular spy glass (if you don't have Optifine or don't care about the fact you can use both Optifine zoom and spyglass at the same time). Other wise you only need it for builds. it would be a shame if such a lackluster position in the game was applied to more types of blocks, and minecraft is already suffering for its surprising shallowness with a lot of features being trump cards in all but time making other features obsolete.
@@_ERR_404_ Minecraft at its core is a sandbox building game. If you want it not to be shallow in any other regard than building - where it truly shines - you're probably better off switching to another game, like e.g. Terraria. And I'm not saying this with any satisfaction, on the contrary, I *wish* it wasn't like this too. But it is.
@@_ERR_404_ Half of wood's mechanic has been "hey, you look nice" for a while now. 10 wood types and they all do almost exactly the same thing, just with a different flair for each wood type.
@@JoannaFalkowska I do agree. Minecraft needs more in depth mechanics and decisions, it doesn't have to be the most complicated decision in the world, but it needs it. Especially for decisions other than building. I do think what makes this issue shine more though is the fact that it is a sandbox game that is designed around general play, so having the definitively best wood being bamboo does not help that goal. And the fact that most woods were already mostly equal before hand, before bamboo planks. Maybe to alleviate this issue, while adding more depth, is by adding new recipes for each wood what isn't interchangeable. nothing game breaking, but something that adds to the game like scaffolding.
@@EmeraldMan25 yes and no. In the early game, wood's mechanics is "what do I need to progress" and little more. But in the late game, the question is now "how does the player interact with each wood type and what are the pros and cons for each?" With the way the player interacts with wood mainly being crafting, farming and building, and the pros and cons being how they grow and looks, the main questions that a player answers is "which one is the easiest to farm" and "which one looks the best". Now it's "which one looks the best" only, as bamboo is the definitively easiest and best way to get wood.
For players who don't build tree farms (which is most of them), the only difference is that they won't have to waste time chopping down trees so they can focus on the parts of the game that interest them more.
To be honest, Id still only build with normal oak wood mostly because of its esthetic and how nice it looks. Theres something off about how bamboo planks look that make it a bit unappealing. Not saying they need to change the color or how it looks, its good as is, but the normal wood just looks nicer
@@Dr_mafario The biggest convenience is for crafting, I think. If you want to build something, you can go get other wood types, but bamboo farms will mean that you never run out of wood when you just are trying to make ladders or tools or something.
@@harley2938 True. This is also an easier to automate alternative to actual wood, something that can be easily farmed and will always have access to. Very convenient!
Other woods are needed for construction. The way I see it, the bamboo wood farm simply covers all you needs for crafting, allowing you to horde the other wood types for building. This will be especially important when certain mods like 'Scape and Run: Parasites' update to the newest version. Bamboo is the perfect apocalypse material.
Oh if we're talking about mods here there's a thousand mods that add tree farming so literally any wood is plentiful. Or you can just Plant a lot of trees
I don’t mind having an easy filler wood type for chests and sticks and the like. Less grind when you need to make a large amount of chests for a storage system. But I’m still going to want variety in my wood types and to build my stuff out of some of the better looking wood, like spruce. (because those doors and trapdoors are just 👌)
I like the idea of an easy to produce wood type. The other types look better, so you would want to use those in fancy looking builds. While, if you just need wood or filler material, you'd just auto farm bamboo. They both serve a purpose.
I fully agree with this, not everyone wants to put in the time and effort required for the current wood farms. With bamboo adding a simpler option for less technical players, everyone can be happy
I probably say maybe give bamboo lesser blast resistance against explosions. Since it seems like the way that they're doing it is that bamboo blocks are just bundles tied together.
I'm a builder and redstoner in one, and yes, this will be much more convenient for some recipes, but I also need massive amounts of specific wood types for mega builds, so tree farms are always gonna be useful
for over 90% of the playerbase a tree farm is as simple as planting a sapling either bonemaling it or letting it grow then cut it down not to mention that builds will always use the different types of wood
@@NippyNep So I guess Mumbo Jumbo is a speedrunner now? I agree that the majority of players play in a way where a tree farm is as much as planting saplings on the ground, but very few Minecraft RUclipsrs reflect this.
@@jarrod752 Yeah, quantity over quality. Now, i don't want to get murdered by builders which find so many ways to use blocks, but, the bamboo block for me isn't even that good looking to behind with, most i'll do with it is making walls or used as fuel.
I like how Redstone tree farms is one of the most complicated farms you could ever build just to get a resources that are probably be easier to get by doing it manually.
I don't think you ever built a mega build in survival, some of them require hundreds of thousands of logs, also you can't instamine most wood types (you can with the nether ones tho)
@@ryu_lidu Good thing I play modded. Breaking one log breaks the whole tree. Makes the game more fun and reduces the tedious nature of looking up 100+ times when gathering wood.
@@RemedieX Part of the fun is building and designing those farms, mods often have one block solutions that are super boring (some mods are super good tho). I like the insta chop mods and fast leaf decay but only the ones that make you take as long to mine one wood as mining the whole tree. It makes the mod not OP while still being SUPER convenient and less boring than jumping around trying to get the one wood that remained behind leaves
@@ryu_lidu To each their own. There's nothing fun about chopping down trees to me. I like some challenge with building things in survival as if feels better, but chopping trees doesn't take skill, expression, talent, or much effort other than time. And I'd rather not pay with my time just standing there looking at a log when I could use it to do something else that focuses on the afformentioned. I also use mods to rebark trees if I accidentally debark, can also crack bricks to add detail, have elevators I can craft to tp from a floor base to a skybase or mine (I don't like using map or waypoint tp though, bc even though it takes time to get places, I do find it relaxing to explore and traverse, and it's also where I draw my line for mods enabling easier gameplay bc it takes away the challenge of making it home with all my new loot/items). Anyways, I use over 200 mods sometimes so the game has a lot more to it than vanilla. This means the balance changes and more time is spent doing other things, so it's ok to "cheat" out on faster tree farming a bit.
This is really only an issue if you don’t care about aesthetics at all. I would say even most players who aren‘t directly builders build some houses and try to make their farms look somewhat nice. I think it‘s cool that they added a type of wood that is easier to obtain for crafting but I will always use most wood for building which bamboo can‘t replace.
The worst that could happen is that bamboo is used slightly more often then other wood types. But its not like players ever have to deal with a wood scarcity unless they're building, in which case this is a non issue
Even then people don't like how ugly bamboo looks in builds and very limited so they gonna stay with other woods like oak and acacia(which oak to me is best plant since we get apples for Gapples or food too)
Nope, it doesn't invalidate the other wood types. Sure you can get a hut built out of bamboo if you only care about survival, but with Minecraft being all about creativity, you will want to use other types of wood sooner or later for the look of it alone.
Yeah I'm not even usually a big Aesthetic Player™ in a lot of games with crafting and I'm out here tracking down specific wood for the look of it. And I'm way less creatively inclined than a lot of people who play Minecraft it seems like.
He already addressed that in the video, something along the lines of you might want to use other woods for your build but you're better off manually grinding it than setting up an automatic tree farm as you wouldn't need that much wood anyway for the trouble it takes
@@Nekosity Still not sure why that's a problem. I feel like I'm too stupid to get it at this point. Like why do people have to have farms? Why is it bad that someone would go and explore to get it instead of farm. (I don't think it would be bad to set up farms either if that's how someone wants to play.) I don't think I'm ever going to understand more options being bad. People don't have to use bamboo. If they're more focused on efficiency and it doesn't matter, I don't see how that affects anyone else. Just don't play in a multiplayer world with them? This just feels like a huge nothing burger to me, like he's making a huge deal out of something that people can choose to do or not. And can choose to do so or not without affecting anyone else. Heck, not everyone even sets up farms to begin with. And both those who do and those who do not are equally valid. People who slap things together and people who do massive builds are equally valid. Minecraft has a lot of play it your way. Why is it so bad that a video needed to be made because there's something that can make things easier, and it's something that is absolutely a choice whether or not to utilize it?
@@Nekosity Maybe, that's fair enough. Still a nothing burger lol I've seen people pull off making something out of nothing better though too imo. He buried the ledge, which made it impossible for me to take anything said seriously. I don't see myself watching more videos because this is the impression I now have of his videos. But I'm far from the only person on the internet.
okay but 99% of minecraft players arent building tree farms, so why would Mojang cater to those players instead of the larger percentage of people who just want a different wood to build with.
@@firstnamelastname6327 like it would be useful if I want to make a lot of chests or something, or specifically wanted to make something out of bamboo logs
No one will be mad about it except for the people that have spent hours making a (mostly) useless farm. Tbh i don't see a problem as you may still need wood for your builds. It doesn't even break the existing farms as some changes have done in the past
This is not a problem in the slightest in my opinion. If anything, cheap wood will make cheap buildings easier to build in large sizes if you're not aiming for looks. But other wood types are better aesthetically. You also can't invalidate the Crimson and Warped stems because they're fireproof and belong in another dimension.
Since azalea and nether tree farms can run without any player interaction and don't require crafting bamboo into logs I'm fine with bamboo's balance. Bamboo is now the perfect early game or quick-to-build tree farm for those that don't mind crafting
I'm so picky about wood types I'd still go for other wood farms. Bamboo is great as an all wood replacement (Spruce was the previous because it was so easy to get a lot of in comparison) and helps you save the woods you like to build with.
@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow I sorta do see his point, I'd like wood farms to be a bit nicer, maybe less reliant on a bug, like say, a wood chopping mob so all you need is a bunch of pistons and a few dispensers, (say a golem), and then the golem could operate on fuel so it's not flat out a replacement, just some qol and an easier alternate farm
The thing is that for most people you wouldn't ever be building enough to need a wood farm just for the look, and wood's other uses (chests, pistons, note blocks, etc) are much easier to fuel with bamboo.
@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow exactly! He is just overreacting lol. I guess he is one of the people who think only about efficiency and not aesthetics at all. Bamboo is very limiting in design. It fits only tropical settings and not others things. However redstone players don't care. They literally build eyesores because hey automatic farm. I was never fond of automatic farms. I think it makes playing even more boring. If I really want a massive amount of something to build I can just play creative mode lol
just chop the trees then, or play creative. Many people have fun overcoming difficulties and challenges, but bamboo planks is another step towards simplicity among many another they keep gradually adding over several of years.
@@The14Some1 Ok. 1. that was a joke which you clearly can't take. 2. I don't want your sass about "making the game simpler." I don't see you figuring out how to build a fucking contraption to mine trees. Also, I wasn't really gonna use Bamboo blocks anyway because right now, they look like shit.
@@The14Some1 Bad take. If you really wanted a challenge, build one anyway! If you want the game to be like the old days, play previous versions. Just because the old guard wants a “The Forest” esque survival game doesn’t mean everyone does. Some people just wanna mess around with their friends, or, challenge themselves to their ability. Just because MumboJumbo exists doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have added observers. Most players cannot even fathom how tree farms work, so why not make it accessible to (not new or noob, but) average players. I can, however, empathize with you position. Just please think more about the majority before catering to the sweaty minority.
@@The14Some1 do you have eyes? Look at bamboo planks. If you think that it is good replacement for wood in buildings just because it is easier to obtain and farm then you completely lack sense of aesthetics.
I really liked the bamboo planks. Besides the aesthetics, a cheaper wood type makes bamboo valuable and thus worth looking for despite being harder to find. I always had trouble with wood farms since tnt duping feels cheaty to me (and wither cages cant be used wherever I want) so manual farming is my only option. So bamboo planks are a blessing to me
@@jamo8154 If you would rather fly to a desert and manually dig up sand for tnt :(. I am yet to calculate if an efficient blast chamber could reasonably offset the time spent gathering sand
Same except I don't make farms because I like just choppin down trees, it's very relaxing sometimes and I don't like how annoying building farms gets, and having a new type of wood makes me excited for more builds :)
Wood has never been anything more than starter material and decor. Even in survival, you get to a point when the properties no longer matter and you just going for what looks nice. So bamboo is not invalidating anything. You still need wood for basic materials and it looks cool for log cabins or rustic houses. I think its cool to add bamboo. Plus, no one is making wood farms these days.
Until seeing this video, I didn't even think about how useful bamboo will be in crafting storage and Redstone components. That's gonna be a huge time saver. And personally I like the look of it. My main base is modeled after a mall with that early 90's aesthetic. Not VAPORWAVE, but the real 90's. Having the raw bamboo to decorate the main entrance with will be amazing!
Funny enough, I still use wood mostly just to block off cave passages with planks (after collecting everything in them, of course), so that's definitely an area that bamboo just can't replace!
How is wood early game? You don't craft chests, hoppers, ladders, etc.? Wood farms are significantly easier than they ever were before due to new designs and innovation. Seriously, it's not even more difficult than getting the bone meal to actually power it now.
Honestly even if bamboo is now a really convenient wood source it still has the major issue of needing A LOT more crafting and is a lot harder to store since you need 18 times more bamboo for the same quantity of wood than you would need with a tree farm. I think Mojang did a great job at balancing bamboo because bamboo farm can be really good for a casual use of wood but tree farms are still superior for big projects.
I think power creep is a thing to watch out for, but sometimes adding a new thing that seems OP might be a sign that alternatives are too bad. Minecarts for example are essentially useless for player transport unless you make a piston bolt. I think Mojang should focus on adding/changing things so that building infrastructure is beneficial such as dedicated player transport.
@@Ferrichrome possibly they could just remove the speed cap entirely but slightly to moderately increase deceleration speed and possibly make the redstone rail boost you less, meaning that you could go considerably faster than the elytra if you were willing to go through the effort of building a giant track made of redstone rails
@@MadJack1 I would like that, never thought to do it that way but it would be really cool. They should also add linking carts so that furnace minecarts are not useless
9 bamboo = 2 planks So 1 chest= 8 planks= 36 bamboo. And 64 chests = 32 double chests = 36 stacks of bamboo. So it's not that op either, and you can still make other tree farms for a better output.
The thing is that the only times you really need mass quantites of wood is when you're building, and then the wood type matters, so the older wood farms are still just as useful as before in my opinion at least In other words I highly doubt it will be another elyta situation
For the average player, yes. But if you're a technical player building an item sorter with just 2 double chests and hoppers for say 1000 different stackable items, you need 48000 wood. Besides, this video isn't about the average player since the problem is mainly related to one of the more complex farms players can build: tree farms.
@@bossminotaur4379 I wasn't talking about the average player in the first place, I was talking about people who build stupidly giant things, but yeah you have a point, I still think though that it isn't as bad as the video makes it seem and more of a case where half of the time old farms are still viable even though they are still way to annoyingly nerfed
@@bossminotaur4379 if you're a technical player wood farms aren't fun because you need to actually be there for an effective one. Unless it's azalea tree farms which were honestly pretty cool and not very hard
In order to get bamboo in the first place you’d need to find a jungle biome, and those can be thousands of blocks away, depending on where the player’s spawn point. I guess that helps bamboo wood not be *too* overbearing. Either way new wood types are never a bad thing (at least for me)
You forgot about 2 very important things: 1 - Bamboo isn't very dense. 9 bamboo = 1 bamboo block = 2 planks. 1 log = 4 planks. Do a bit of basic maths and you realise that logs are literally 18 times more dense than bamboo! Imagine transporting and especially storing 18 times as much stuff in case you needed to craft a bunch of chests or literally anything else. 2 - Bamboo is way more crafting intensive. You need 2 crafting operations, one of which requires a crafting table. So if you want to craft 50k planks, you need to first convert a billion bamboo from a billion shulker boxes into bamboo blocks, and then you still have to convert them into bamboo planks! Compare that to logs where you just.... craft the planks dirently in your inventory. I feel like everyone is overreacting it "Oh bamboo is so easy to farm" - Your bamboo farm has to be 18 times faster to match your wood farm (my argument #1) "But bamboo can be farmed automatically" - You still need a player that randomticks the area "But the player doesn't have to do anything, he just stands there" - Same for tree farms, but in a tree farm the player holds the right click "But bamboo farms are easier to make" - Easy? yes, but just look at the size! It's several football stadiums in area! "Tree farms are only for TMC players" - Please google "ilmango simple tree farm" and tell me that it's too complicated and a good bamboo farm isn't. This is not a personal attack, it's just that my frustration that has been building over the snapshot period that finally needed to be vented. Thank you for listening to my TED talk
The simplest tree farm design from ilmango or otherwise is still far more complex than a good bamboo farm. Tree farms are more resource intensive and time-consuming to make than a farm that just requires pistons, hoppers and observers. They all require a bone meal farm, slime, and significant technical knowledge. The simplest bamboo farm requires you to know how an observer works, and is automated. I agree he skimmed over the amount of tedious crafting and storage needed, but it is still a vastly superior farm to make than tree farming. In the end you'll spend less time crafting than you would have spent holding right click at a tree farm.
9 bamboo = 2 planks So 1 chest= 8 planks= 36 bamboo. And 64 chests = 32 double chests = 36 stacks of bamboo. So it's not that op either, and you can still make other tree farms for a better output.
@@Oddigan yes however the simplest bamboo farm as you mentioned is not OP fast it would struggle to match any wood farm without mega scale. And the better bamboo farms require just as much either just as much bonemeal or just as much complicated slime as the tree farms.
Yeah I think a lot of more casual players seem to also be forgetting most technical and large scale builders tend to go though with all the effort of building tree farms and I'd rather build a tree farm than a large enough scale bamboo farm to keep up as the build effort involved in bamboo farms can climb rather quickly as you have to scale them up not to mention the lag issues they can cause which becomes very important as soon as you have more than one or two automatic farms running in places like your spawn chunks.
When the elytra was first added in 1.9 it was actually pretty balanced as you couldn't fly with it, only glide. But then in 1.11.1/2 they added firework-boosting to try to stop people from hitting themselves with punch bows. Ironically it was the same update cycle where they removed infinity+mending bows to try to balance them to be less OP.
@@HACSSuperbMiner "Also Elytras are locked behind the ender dragon" you mean the thing an average player can kill in 2 hours with 4 beds? "and aren’t that great for nether travel" tell me a better alternative? and theyre great if your render distance settings are done well.
You mean it's finally possible to automate wood without having to build an insane redstone contraption, tnt dupers, wither cages that 99% of players would never be able to build without a tutorial? I Think that's great!
@@dudeofdudovia ?? I know how they work but in bedrock you can’t 1 tick sticky pistons to spit out their block, so if you build it with two sticky pistons it will go back and forth a few blocks and are just confusing. A flying machine would use one side piston and on side sticky piston, going in the direction the piston is facing. A two way flying a home in bedrock would be super big and is very easy to accidentally break it without knowing what broke. Tree farms are consistent
It's really not a problem. Bamboo is useful for 3 things: Bamboo Planks, Scaffolding, and Sticks. The Planks and Sticks are the only comparable things here. For the most part, Bamboo Planks are only decoration in comparison to other planks. Sticks are the final comparison here... and let's be honest, they're sticks. Sticks are used, but are also incredibly easy to get. Tools, rails, bows, torches, it's true that you do use sticks all the time. But when you remember that 1 log = 8 sticks you realize that you have all the sticks you need. Need sticks? 2 minutes and 4 oak trees later, that's about 2 stacks of sticks right there. Bamboo will likely be of no consequence.
This time I think it won't be as bad. Servers that needed a complicated tree farm before probably still need huge quantities of specific wood types now, for decorative purposes. I know mine will at least
couple issues i have. first, most people dont make tree farms to begin with. also, i think it's mainly up to convenience of finding it. bamboo is harder to find than most other woods unless you get really lucky i guess. same thing with elytra, it's only available after "beating" the game and finding a super hard to find end city with a chance of it not even being there.
I've build a tree farm in survival and it was specifically for spruce wood. I don't see bamboo wood being a problem because the only time someone would be willing to build automatic wood production is if they're building a large base in which the type of wood matters and no matter what not all bases will be build out of bamboo wood.
I am okay with this addition, as most of the time when I use wood for crafting stuff where wood type makes no difference, it's primarily hoppers or chests that are somewhat expensive without a tree farm. Otherwise, I still use wood and its crafting products as building blocks. Bamboo removes the hassle of having to stop being creative to either manually deforest an area or spend several hours AFK at a tree farm. It cuts down on the grind and gives the player more time to create.
I'd also like to add, to make the elytra useful, you need a mending villager (not that hard), a sugar cane farm and a gunpowder farm for rockets. Not to mention you need to kill the ender dragon first (unless you bridge out 1000 blocks without being knocked into the void by the dragon)
All of these are easy ngl, Creeper farms don't need much really, you just need an ocean and you can get to it. Mending is only a bit tedious, as long as you re-roll you can get mending. Sugar cane farms are also really easy to make, as easy as watermelon or pumpkin farms. at most it'll take you 2-3 hours to beat the game if you're an average casual player, if you're an advanced plauer you get to it about 45min-1hr, if you're a speedrunner you can get to it in less than 30 minutes. Meaning, beating the game is pretty easy and therefore getting an elytra is also easy (getting multiple is definitely a problem though, but getting just one is the easy part)
@@poikoi1530 if you play minecraft like some speedrun game, then go on. But most players play it C A S U A L L Y. Or at least don't speedrun it. They build farms, buildings, big projects etc. And elytra as a late game item makes doing all this stuff much easier. Also, i really doubt that you can get elytra if you completed the game like speedrunners do cuz you don't have blocks to build in end nor stuff to fight shulkers
@@sicker889 If you're in the end, you can do it. You don't need to bridge over to an Island, all you need is to defeat the dragon and you have an Elytra.
A few things: yes tree farms require player interaction but carpet bots exist. Also, bamboo requires more crafting which is cringe. For early game or non technical players, maybe bamboo will be better. But for someone like me, a 2x2 spruce tree farm will always be the way to go
In real life, you need to put bamboo under pressure and add resins to make bamboo wood. I think Mojang should do something similar. Require a blast oven, and have there be a consumable like slime be included in the crafting. That would add some balance back to it.
This seems like an issue only to your niche. Probably less than 1% of players are making tree farms. Most people probably don't know about them, and if you show them they'd probably think "wow that looks awful" I think bamboo wood is gonna be a good addition for the majority of players
I personally think a elytars are pretty balanced, because you do have to beat the game to get them, plus you're going to need to make a gunpowder Farm and you're also going to need to make a sugar cane Farm just For the rockets.
@@pallavparmar9818 Who cares? They are fun, thaty aren't harming anyone and you can just put a challegne to yourself to not use them until you achieve x.
@@anyoldthing A ridable flying mob would be amazing, still though, wings make building and moving around your base so much easier, plus you are more willing to explore ong-distance intea of short distance. I personally love exploring and elytras make it a lot more fun.
jungle biomes are kinda rare, and you often find them more late game, when there is actually a greater need for mass producing wood. Other wood types are great, but as you progress in the game, it gets harder and harder to keep wood production up with your increasing demand for wood, especially with how tedious tree farms can be (the reason why many people just kinda don’t use them). I think that bamboo being easy to farm is a good thing, due to the applications of late game farming this could have, and the fact that you usually don’t find jungles until late game.
I agree that this isn't a problem but saying that jungles are only late game is very shortsighted. Any biome is possible to spawn in or around, and I often search for thousands of blocks before I decide where to settle. A jungle isn't even a rare biome and even if it was, I've spawned in or right next to multiple mesas, so again, it's no guarantee. Plus, you can find bamboo in shipwrecks and considering how useful scaffolding is early game, many people will go out of their way to get it. At the end of the day, this new wood isn't unbalanced, but claiming that the reason it's balanced is because jungles are rare is like claiming elytras are balanced because you need gunpowder and sugar cane farms to utilize it. A mechanic can't just be balanced in specific conditions, it has to be balanced no matter what, or else it isn't balanced, and this mechanic is balanced
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Yeah I spawned in between a mesa and jungle in my latest world, with an acacia wood (idk what the biome is called) village only about a minute of walking from spawn. The village had two iron pickaxes in the blacksmith chest, alongside iron boots. Day one gold, near infinite wood, and a large mountain near spawn that I carved my base into. Also. I'm pretty sure traders can give bamboo, because one of my worlds is an island with no jungle. I haven't left the island, yet I have bamboo.
@@tapgames3465 Oh my bad. I just checked and it was mangroves that I got from a trader. The bamboo was found in a sunken ship. Thanks for correcting my mistake.
In defense of the Elytra, it **is** an end-game item that can't be crafted and only found in end cities which are already fairly challenging to find depending on how lucky you are to find one that's close. Not to mention the risk of accidentally dying like running into a wall at high speeds while using one and losing it lol. Personally I love being able to travel incredibly long distances without worrying about killing my horse or having to mine like a million ice blocks and spend forever and a half making a highway. I think it's a nice reward for end-game play.
Purpler, this is the most appropriate, well timed, and humorous application of this quote, that I have ever seen! 5:12 Props to you for using that (somewhat complicated) concept here!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the only 3 things in Minecraft that don't look like the wood type they were made with are sticks, chests and crafting tables. If you want to make a nice looking build, you need the different types of wood. Besides, once you're at the stage of building either farm, wood should be more or less a building block
Ok, wrote this comment before he showed the other blocks, looks like I'm stuck in the past. But even then, those blocks, you only need a few of other than chests. And if you can save your desired wood type and make chests out of bamboo, I see that as a win
4:17 to answer your question, the major population of minecraft players. People dont look for a wood type because it's simple to get most of the time, they look for it because it looks pretty or it fits their build. And the ~1% of players who will go search for a bamboo forest or try and get lucky and spawn near one, well they can do things their way.
I feel like the only time you need a extremely large quantity of wood is building where wood type does matter because of personal preference or smelting which there is a ton of more efficient fuel sources so i feel like its not as much of a problem
I think it actually re-balances the game, at least in regards to hoppers. Before you have a golem farm hoppers are expensive because they require 5 iron ingots, after you have a golem farm hoppers are expensive because they require a chest, which requires 8 planks, which require 2 logs, which have to be gathered by hand until you go through the effort to get an AFK tree farm, and by that time AFKing at a farm is almost as bad as gathering by hand. A bamboo farm is as easy as a golem farm, so you build them next to each other and hoppers are just a block you have unlimited access to very early in your progression.
@@synckronix I think you're missing the neuances. My point is that, without automatization, wood is easier to get than iron and, with automatization, iron is so much easier that it's ridiculous and I don't think that is a feature of a "balanced" meta
@@synckronix yes but then it's 5 times however many you need, If you have 200 iron you'll only be able to make 40 hoppers and that doesn't include what else you need that iron for
I must say the main reason for farming the other woods is for building so you probably won't start farming them that much especially considering the more specific theming that bamboo has.
To be fair, there are a couple of big drawbacks. 1) You need to craft blocks of bamboo before crafting them into planks. And many spigot and paper servers have spam protection that breaks mass crafters. 2) You can't make charcoal out of them, and that's what wood is often used for (from my experience as a more casual player). One simple (simpler?) solution to nerf them further is to change the crafting recipe from blocks of bamboo to stripped blocks of bamboo. In that case, you'll need at least 2 players and an xp farm to mass produce planks. But then everyone will complain that bamboo became useless.
i feel like the rarity of bamboo and elytras helps to balance them. they may have better usage, but if you can't find them in the first place then you're better off using the more common materials.
You go find 1 bamboo stick and you now have millions of it. Elytras, on the other hands, are used by very skilled players only. I've been playing since 1.6 here and there, once per year, and it's only around 1.17 when I started mining and using diamonds
@@art-of-the-art I'm a bit stuck in the past when i was at the peak of my Minecraft play time, 1.6... I used horses all the time (I mean that's when horses were introduced) and loved em so much, that to this day, i only use elytras when I think that it's too dangerous to bring my horse to that area or they may get lost. That's it, any other time, I use horses, i even still use horses for PvP as a horse archer **mongol noises intensifies**
@@poikoi1530 eh, my playstyle mostly revolves around finding a cool place in nature, building a cool base there (So building it is, yeah) and doing some stuff until i get bored. I also play like 30 hours every half a year and wait for some time to pass and come back. Recently i started a new world in 1.19, and somehow got a shit ton of progress out of nowhere. Used a lot of diamond tools, got 3 netherite items at the moment, killed enderdragon with my friend and got elytras. The whole point of the world was to build something inspired by dragonstone in game of thrones, so i am currently stopped playing to not get tired of building 20m walls around like 200m space (not even mentioning a cool castle within)
Personally I think Bamboo is fine overall it doesnt really break anything or make things worse for minecraft but lets say we want to balance out bamboo. Since bamboo is a fuel source and is used for scaffolding being a huge part to minecraft we can nerf it by getting it a percentage drop. Same way with melons it gives you a percentage of the crop instead of all of bamboo. So every bamboo has a 70 percent drop rate and having fortune or looting on a sword ups it at max to 100 so farms that are automatic arent as overpowered. Now another way is making it like cactus where it can be placed near blocks and will break if not placed next to another bamboo. Last solution is bamboo can be corrupted if not maintained properly or put in proper environments or slows down the rates of production because of such things occuring. Personally Idm it how it is but if they change it I would like these options so it doesnt ruin much of anything overall and can balance it out
You can also grow bamboo in the spawn chunks with bonemeal from a moss farm. That would make it so that you don't even have to be near the farm, it would run in the background. I think the easiest nerf would be to make bamboo wood purely cosmetic and you can't use it to craft things.
@@captcalvin2293 There's a difference between random ticks which happen around a player, and entity processing/Redstone processing that happens around loaded chunks regardless of player. These require random ticks which require a player
I suggest, building a bridge and getting over it. Tree farms are still gonna be built by those who want a certain kind of wood, plus you have to go out and find bamboo, meaning not everyone will have access to it early on. The average player probably won't ever build a tree farm, only those who want to get more deep into the game will, same with bamboo.
There is no problem here, because the wood is still gonna be used for making based, its just gonna make wood based items easier to craft, which is always nice
Here's the argument I have for 'bamboo is too good or too strong' The solution to this issue is incredibly simple. Don't use it. This is an open world sandbox game where redstoners due absolutely off the wall things with blocks they really shouldn't. It's okay for something to be good. It's okay for something to be great. It's okay to use something that is good or great. It's okay to choose not to do something that is too good or too great.
Dude, I had this video in "Watch later" and it perfectly transitioned from a memes video without ads or loading. So I sat here for 3 minutes, waiting for a joke. And then I laughed my butt off when I found out. XD
Well, bamboo jungles are already rare. Maybe they don't have to do anything about it. The same can be said for elytra. You can only get them after you defeated the ender dragon.
I use minecarts and horses and potions because they are fun. However rails should be cheaper, that would make them more relevant. Potions should also be 16 stackable or at least 8 stackable to keep the horse at high speed on long rides
I think this is what Mojang wanted with bamboo, making an insanely complicated, easy to break and dangerous farm isn’t really appealing to a casual player. And I assume it was a little too op like the video said and that’s why they made the crafting a little less profitable (4->2) but I don’t think bamboo wood is changing much
Here an idea Maybe those block like crafting table, chest (most block that are crafted with woods) Should only be craft with only “Tree” woods and not bamboo woods Because bamboo is so different from the other
I don't think the elytra are a fair comparison here, since you still have to find a stronghold, go to the end, kill the ender dragon, venture into the outer islands, find an end city, pray that city has a ship, and then pray harder that that ship hasn't already been looted (assuming you're on a multiplayer server). So the elytra are still gatekept within the game enough to make them balanced, I feel. As for the issue of other wood types not being worth it, I personally disagree. When I'm playing Minecraft, I like to have a supply of all wood types in my storage system just in case one of my builder friends needs it for something (we play as a community, so my resources are their resources and their resources are my resources)
i swear this guy's biggest dream is for literally everything in MC to be obtained exclusively through the most obnoxious tedious time-consuming ways possible and for nothing to be easy to gather
man said rails took ages to build as if it was a good thing. nobody likes tedious building. or grinding. also game is easy. a normal person could probably kill the dragon in an hour after spawning without needing to try very hard
@@weegie3343 Same, never got to End in survival. Enderman are extremely rare and rarely drop pearls and I never cared enough to go actively hunt them every night, so my stash of ender pearls always had way too little to open a portal or even find a fortress.
I kinda like it, I do not will use bamboo really much (because it's ugly) so for things like sticks, other crafts that's require wood it's really great
I don’t understand what the issue with this is? What’s so important about wood besides smelting or building? Building requires all the other types, and smelting is a lot easier nowadays with lava farms. Even then you can just directly smelt bamboo before this update was talked about. There’s nothing else about bamboo or wood that is so essential late or mid game that would require massive farms besides building. I would totally agree with this videos message, but the simple truth is that it won’t affect the way we play the game in any way.
So you are saying that having to spend less time not actively engaging with the fun parts of the game for the same reward is bad. Did i get that wright?
@@samsungpower6490 well kind of, i mean yes its not exiting but that is one of the main thing in minecraft and there can be people that dont mine for wood in their entire play through
We’ll just get used to it. And it may end up becoming something that the game feels terrible without. Like pre 1.13 swimming now feels unbearable to me.
Just fly in creative or add something like stargate or /warp, it shouldn't come at the expense of everyone who wants transportation infrastructure to actually be part of their world rather than a sugarcane and creeper farm tucked away somewhere
@@Bombastian1230 That's true but it being there makes it harder, you have to resist using it. It's not that it's never a better idea, just once you have it you have no reason to use anything else. There's a meta to the game and elytra ruins it. It allows you to accomplish more at the expense of having fun with transport. If I don't use elytra, I can't build as fast or as well as other players, I'll have a harder time finding a good location. A good transport solution would erase that "tradeoff".
To be fair, I hate Elytra because it's kill more creative and fun way to add travel options in minecraft like jetpack, bamboo copter, and airship, but bamboo wood isn't, getting large amount of wood stuff especially chest on server is super grindy, if I make a complicate tree farm for a specific purpose it's tedious, and it's has pretty high chance to be broke and I hate maintainance. Bamboo will help early need of chest, composter, piston quite a lot.
I think your only looking at things from a redstone perspective, as a builder I would never just abandon the other woods because bamboo is easy to get, sure it will take priority when it comes to things like crafting or smelting but is that really a bad thing?
Regarding the tree farms, something like the Timber mod where chopping a single block drops the entire tree would be great for the tree farms. That, along with allowing dispensers to use axes like they can use shears would be good enough.
@@nnnik3595 Once you automate something, it will work on its own. Then you can just build more trees with the same farm design and it will be very efficient due to the economics of scale.
@@UltimatePerfection no that's not how it works. 1st is material and time constraints aka if you need a farm that's 10 times as fast to build but yields only a thousandth of the result the overall effort to build a farm of similar size will go up. The second is space constraints - you can only load so much before the internal server is done for or you are simply constraint by render distance in single player. The third is laggyness. Building many many of those smaller farms is probably laggier than running one big farm. This might not be so important for single player but is absolutely crucial for multiplayer. As such your solution does not scale up to a useful degree and is not a solution - though it could be fun to play around with this.
There's also an issue of the resources needed to make the farms. With each additional layer of bamboo farming you want, you need to spend a linear addition of resources. For tree farms, it becomes multiplicatively more expensive.
The problem with bamboo though is the fact that it's only located in some parts of the jungle, making it a kind of hard to get resource (specially when you are creating a new world and your spawnpoint isn't even near to a jungle). Perhaps it could be useful if what you want is, for some reason, an immense amount of wood that takes no effort to farm, but if that isn't the case then I still think that wood is better than bamboo.
Yes the elytra is OP when compared to the other forms or transport but only if you use it. Personally I hate the elytra and never use it because it makes me motion sick. I freely admit it's more convenient but I'd rather not vomit on my keyboard. And bamboo may be easier to farm but to me it'll mostly likely mean that the block will be used as an easy to obtain filler block as much as a decorative block or fuel source. While I like the look of the block I doubt I'll use it for more than the occasional flooring or other visible decorative use
Yea, like guys like Ilmango really need a reason to make vastly overcomplicated farms, lol. Also, you're ignoring the fact there's no auto-crafting in the game, so both still need human interaction to actually get wood blocks.
beautiful video essay. nice structure and good points, I don't really care about the topic that much unlike most people watching this and I'm just interested in appreciating the effort put in.
To keep the logic, they could make it so that one block of bamboo gives one bamboo plank, but rename the bamboo plank. After all, bamboo plank texture is just six sided bamboo wood right ? (And all bamboo varients would be considered as planks)
I think it's a great addition, as you can easily auto farm nearly everything (Iron, Gold, Sand, Emerald, XP, ...) but not wood. So currently wood is underpowered and the biggest pain for all builds.
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I dare you guys to count how many times I said "bamboo", "wood" or "tree farm"
lmaoooo
Only 1 time for now
lol
Nah
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As a builder, the other woods will *never* be useless!
Same except for maybe Mangrove because those trees are a Royal Pain to chop
@@sfisher923 the mangrove wood still looks nice so it isn't useless for building
@@sfisher923 with a good axe and shears, mangrove isn't too bad to harvest. Just have jump boost or something, too
Exactly
Agreed!
I think the difference between this and things like the Elytra or other things is that it's a building block, it will never make other woods obselete because Other woods work better for certain builds. Most builders don't just make a build and say, "I need some wood", they say "I need some _____ wood" because each of the wood types works better for different builds.
Yes, but delegating a whole type of block with core mechanics like that to "hey, you look nice" and nothing much else makes the game more shallow. We can see things like this with copper. You only need it for two or three lightning rods for wool builds high in the sky (if you build that stuff) or a singular spy glass (if you don't have Optifine or don't care about the fact you can use both Optifine zoom and spyglass at the same time). Other wise you only need it for builds. it would be a shame if such a lackluster position in the game was applied to more types of blocks, and minecraft is already suffering for its surprising shallowness with a lot of features being trump cards in all but time making other features obsolete.
@@_ERR_404_ Minecraft at its core is a sandbox building game. If you want it not to be shallow in any other regard than building - where it truly shines - you're probably better off switching to another game, like e.g. Terraria. And I'm not saying this with any satisfaction, on the contrary, I *wish* it wasn't like this too. But it is.
@@_ERR_404_ Half of wood's mechanic has been "hey, you look nice" for a while now. 10 wood types and they all do almost exactly the same thing, just with a different flair for each wood type.
@@JoannaFalkowska I do agree. Minecraft needs more in depth mechanics and decisions, it doesn't have to be the most complicated decision in the world, but it needs it. Especially for decisions other than building. I do think what makes this issue shine more though is the fact that it is a sandbox game that is designed around general play, so having the definitively best wood being bamboo does not help that goal. And the fact that most woods were already mostly equal before hand, before bamboo planks. Maybe to alleviate this issue, while adding more depth, is by adding new recipes for each wood what isn't interchangeable. nothing game breaking, but something that adds to the game like scaffolding.
@@EmeraldMan25 yes and no. In the early game, wood's mechanics is "what do I need to progress" and little more. But in the late game, the question is now "how does the player interact with each wood type and what are the pros and cons for each?" With the way the player interacts with wood mainly being crafting, farming and building, and the pros and cons being how they grow and looks, the main questions that a player answers is "which one is the easiest to farm" and "which one looks the best". Now it's "which one looks the best" only, as bamboo is the definitively easiest and best way to get wood.
For players who don't build tree farms (which is most of them), the only difference is that they won't have to waste time chopping down trees so they can focus on the parts of the game that interest them more.
"most of them" is an understatement, this is an issue that affects a fraction of a percentage of players
To be honest, Id still only build with normal oak wood mostly because of its esthetic and how nice it looks. Theres something off about how bamboo planks look that make it a bit unappealing. Not saying they need to change the color or how it looks, its good as is, but the normal wood just looks nicer
@@Dr_mafario The biggest convenience is for crafting, I think. If you want to build something, you can go get other wood types, but bamboo farms will mean that you never run out of wood when you just are trying to make ladders or tools or something.
@@harley2938
True. This is also an easier to automate alternative to actual wood, something that can be easily farmed and will always have access to. Very convenient!
Nah this is a problem for the whole game, even if you don't build farms, it's still too easy to farm Bamboo
Other woods are needed for construction. The way I see it, the bamboo wood farm simply covers all you needs for crafting, allowing you to horde the other wood types for building. This will be especially important when certain mods like 'Scape and Run: Parasites' update to the newest version. Bamboo is the perfect apocalypse material.
Oh if we're talking about mods here there's a thousand mods that add tree farming so literally any wood is plentiful.
Or you can just
Plant a lot of trees
@@stickmouse5002 there are tons of mods that aims to increase difficulty instead of quality of life.
@@krisjolt ah god dammit you're right
But it's still a block...
I don’t mind having an easy filler wood type for chests and sticks and the like. Less grind when you need to make a large amount of chests for a storage system. But I’m still going to want variety in my wood types and to build my stuff out of some of the better looking wood, like spruce. (because those doors and trapdoors are just 👌)
Spruce trapdoors are so sexy
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I like the idea of an easy to produce wood type. The other types look better, so you would want to use those in fancy looking builds. While, if you just need wood or filler material, you'd just auto farm bamboo. They both serve a purpose.
yes yES YES *YES* YOU UNDERSTAND IT!
@@taxcollector9543 they indeed do
yeeeesss. i can save up the wood i’ve chopped down for builds while using bamboo wood for like. sticks for torches and weapons n stuff
I fully agree with this, not everyone wants to put in the time and effort required for the current wood farms. With bamboo adding a simpler option for less technical players, everyone can be happy
I probably say maybe give bamboo lesser blast resistance against explosions. Since it seems like the way that they're doing it is that bamboo blocks are just bundles tied together.
I'm a builder and redstoner in one, and yes, this will be much more convenient for some recipes, but I also need massive amounts of specific wood types for mega builds, so tree farms are always gonna be useful
for over 90% of the playerbase a tree farm is as simple as planting a sapling either bonemaling it or letting it grow then cut it down not to mention that builds will always use the different types of wood
Minecraft RUclipsrs tend to be sweaty on this casual style game for no reason.
@@reallymentalpig1173 How are they sweaty it's literally a sandbox
@@NippyNep So I guess Mumbo Jumbo is a speedrunner now?
I agree that the majority of players play in a way where a tree farm is as much as planting saplings on the ground, but very few Minecraft RUclipsrs reflect this.
I think his point is that block breaking and item collection are much easier to automate with bamboo. It just makes the other woods better IMO.
@@jarrod752 Yeah, quantity over quality. Now, i don't want to get murdered by builders which find so many ways to use blocks, but, the bamboo block for me isn't even that good looking to behind with, most i'll do with it is making walls or used as fuel.
I like how Redstone tree farms is one of the most complicated farms you could ever build just to get a resources that are probably be easier to get by doing it manually.
I don't think you ever built a mega build in survival, some of them require hundreds of thousands of logs, also you can't instamine most wood types (you can with the nether ones tho)
@@ryu_lidu Good thing I play modded. Breaking one log breaks the whole tree. Makes the game more fun and reduces the tedious nature of looking up 100+ times when gathering wood.
@@RemedieX Part of the fun is building and designing those farms, mods often have one block solutions that are super boring (some mods are super good tho).
I like the insta chop mods and fast leaf decay but only the ones that make you take as long to mine one wood as mining the whole tree. It makes the mod not OP while still being SUPER convenient and less boring than jumping around trying to get the one wood that remained behind leaves
@@ryu_lidu To each their own. There's nothing fun about chopping down trees to me. I like some challenge with building things in survival as if feels better, but chopping trees doesn't take skill, expression, talent, or much effort other than time. And I'd rather not pay with my time just standing there looking at a log when I could use it to do something else that focuses on the afformentioned. I also use mods to rebark trees if I accidentally debark, can also crack bricks to add detail, have elevators I can craft to tp from a floor base to a skybase or mine (I don't like using map or waypoint tp though, bc even though it takes time to get places, I do find it relaxing to explore and traverse, and it's also where I draw my line for mods enabling easier gameplay bc it takes away the challenge of making it home with all my new loot/items).
Anyways, I use over 200 mods sometimes so the game has a lot more to it than vanilla. This means the balance changes and more time is spent doing other things, so it's ok to "cheat" out on faster tree farming a bit.
@@RemedieX As long as you're having fun, that's the good part of this game, each player plays the way they want to
This is really only an issue if you don’t care about aesthetics at all. I would say even most players who aren‘t directly builders build some houses and try to make their farms look somewhat nice. I think it‘s cool that they added a type of wood that is easier to obtain for crafting but I will always use most wood for building which bamboo can‘t replace.
The worst that could happen is that bamboo is used slightly more often then other wood types. But its not like players ever have to deal with a wood scarcity unless they're building, in which case this is a non issue
I always deal with wood scarcity while crafting
@@beaner1014 I did forget about the sheer amount of chests often needed, but other than those what do you need that much wood for?
Even then people don't like how ugly bamboo looks in builds and very limited so they gonna stay with other woods like oak and acacia(which oak to me is best plant since we get apples for Gapples or food too)
@Ben Basically every crafting recipe uses wood.
Nope, it doesn't invalidate the other wood types. Sure you can get a hut built out of bamboo if you only care about survival, but with Minecraft being all about creativity, you will want to use other types of wood sooner or later for the look of it alone.
Yeah I'm not even usually a big Aesthetic Player™ in a lot of games with crafting and I'm out here tracking down specific wood for the look of it.
And I'm way less creatively inclined than a lot of people who play Minecraft it seems like.
He already addressed that in the video, something along the lines of you might want to use other woods for your build but you're better off manually grinding it than setting up an automatic tree farm as you wouldn't need that much wood anyway for the trouble it takes
@@Nekosity Still not sure why that's a problem. I feel like I'm too stupid to get it at this point. Like why do people have to have farms? Why is it bad that someone would go and explore to get it instead of farm. (I don't think it would be bad to set up farms either if that's how someone wants to play.)
I don't think I'm ever going to understand more options being bad. People don't have to use bamboo. If they're more focused on efficiency and it doesn't matter, I don't see how that affects anyone else. Just don't play in a multiplayer world with them?
This just feels like a huge nothing burger to me, like he's making a huge deal out of something that people can choose to do or not. And can choose to do so or not without affecting anyone else.
Heck, not everyone even sets up farms to begin with. And both those who do and those who do not are equally valid. People who slap things together and people who do massive builds are equally valid.
Minecraft has a lot of play it your way. Why is it so bad that a video needed to be made because there's something that can make things easier, and it's something that is absolutely a choice whether or not to utilize it?
@@chaossmith3864 He's a youtuber, controversy = views
@@Nekosity Maybe, that's fair enough.
Still a nothing burger lol
I've seen people pull off making something out of nothing better though too imo. He buried the ledge, which made it impossible for me to take anything said seriously. I don't see myself watching more videos because this is the impression I now have of his videos.
But I'm far from the only person on the internet.
okay but 99% of minecraft players arent building tree farms, so why would Mojang cater to those players instead of the larger percentage of people who just want a different wood to build with.
yea, it looks like a lot of effort for something so simple, most people won't need that much wood
And even the ones who do make tree farms, many times they do it for builds and need a certain wood, it's not just for wood in general.
People just want something to complain about
@@firstnamelastname6327 like it would be useful if I want to make a lot of chests or something, or specifically wanted to make something out of bamboo logs
i have a tree farm so i have an easily accessible source of wood
not for building but for crafting sticks and much more
i feel like this isn't as big of a problem as hes making it out to be-
It 100% won't
No one will be mad about it except for the people that have spent hours making a (mostly) useless farm. Tbh i don't see a problem as you may still need wood for your builds. It doesn't even break the existing farms as some changes have done in the past
He’s gotta be hamming it up for the content
This is not a problem in the slightest in my opinion. If anything, cheap wood will make cheap buildings easier to build in large sizes if you're not aiming for looks. But other wood types are better aesthetically. You also can't invalidate the Crimson and Warped stems because they're fireproof and belong in another dimension.
especially since mass production of wood is purely for aesthetic builds since it's a bad building material in terms of practicality
Since azalea and nether tree farms can run without any player interaction and don't require crafting bamboo into logs I'm fine with bamboo's balance.
Bamboo is now the perfect early game or quick-to-build tree farm for those that don't mind crafting
I'm so picky about wood types I'd still go for other wood farms. Bamboo is great as an all wood replacement (Spruce was the previous because it was so easy to get a lot of in comparison) and helps you save the woods you like to build with.
@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow I sorta do see his point, I'd like wood farms to be a bit nicer, maybe less reliant on a bug, like say, a wood chopping mob so all you need is a bunch of pistons and a few dispensers, (say a golem), and then the golem could operate on fuel so it's not flat out a replacement, just some qol and an easier alternate farm
The thing is that for most people you wouldn't ever be building enough to need a wood farm just for the look, and wood's other uses (chests, pistons, note blocks, etc) are much easier to fuel with bamboo.
@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow exactly! He is just overreacting lol. I guess he is one of the people who think only about efficiency and not aesthetics at all. Bamboo is very limiting in design. It fits only tropical settings and not others things. However redstone players don't care. They literally build eyesores because hey automatic farm. I was never fond of automatic farms. I think it makes playing even more boring. If I really want a massive amount of something to build I can just play creative mode lol
@@someoneonlyweknow1His last video flopped so he needs some to make some controversy
@@thefixitman321 the only noteworthy one there is fuel. and lava is better
Me who doesn't wanna waste a couple hours trying to build a tree farm:
*"I see this as an absolute win!"*
just chop the trees then, or play creative. Many people have fun overcoming difficulties and challenges, but bamboo planks is another step towards simplicity among many another they keep gradually adding over several of years.
@@The14Some1 Ok. 1. that was a joke which you clearly can't take. 2. I don't want your sass about "making the game simpler." I don't see you figuring out how to build a fucking contraption to mine trees. Also, I wasn't really gonna use Bamboo blocks anyway because right now, they look like shit.
@@The14Some1 Bad take. If you really wanted a challenge, build one anyway! If you want the game to be like the old days, play previous versions. Just because the old guard wants a “The Forest” esque survival game doesn’t mean everyone does. Some people just wanna mess around with their friends, or, challenge themselves to their ability. Just because MumboJumbo exists doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have added observers. Most players cannot even fathom how tree farms work, so why not make it accessible to (not new or noob, but) average players.
I can, however, empathize with you position. Just please think more about the majority before catering to the sweaty minority.
@@The14Some1 do you have eyes? Look at bamboo planks. If you think that it is good replacement for wood in buildings just because it is easier to obtain and farm then you completely lack sense of aesthetics.
@@velvet3784 What makes you think that I want them to replace the regular wood?
I really liked the bamboo planks. Besides the aesthetics, a cheaper wood type makes bamboo valuable and thus worth looking for despite being harder to find.
I always had trouble with wood farms since tnt duping feels cheaty to me (and wither cages cant be used wherever I want) so manual farming is my only option. So bamboo planks are a blessing to me
Bamboo is common loot in ship wrecks.
you can make a tree farm with a dispenser too though
@@jamo8154 If you would rather fly to a desert and manually dig up sand for tnt :(.
I am yet to calculate if an efficient blast chamber could reasonably offset the time spent gathering sand
Same except I don't make farms because I like just choppin down trees, it's very relaxing sometimes and I don't like how annoying building farms gets, and having a new type of wood makes me excited for more builds :)
You’ve successfully made me more excited about bamboo honestly
Wood has never been anything more than starter material and decor. Even in survival, you get to a point when the properties no longer matter and you just going for what looks nice. So bamboo is not invalidating anything. You still need wood for basic materials and it looks cool for log cabins or rustic houses. I think its cool to add bamboo. Plus, no one is making wood farms these days.
Until seeing this video, I didn't even think about how useful bamboo will be in crafting storage and Redstone components. That's gonna be a huge time saver.
And personally I like the look of it. My main base is modeled after a mall with that early 90's aesthetic. Not VAPORWAVE, but the real 90's. Having the raw bamboo to decorate the main entrance with will be amazing!
Funny enough, I still use wood mostly just to block off cave passages with planks (after collecting everything in them, of course), so that's definitely an area that bamboo just can't replace!
Crimson and Warped lau- *no* *you* *can* *build* *a* *starter* *base* *with* *these*
@@damienearl8302
Bamboo planks
How is wood early game? You don't craft chests, hoppers, ladders, etc.? Wood farms are significantly easier than they ever were before due to new designs and innovation. Seriously, it's not even more difficult than getting the bone meal to actually power it now.
Honestly even if bamboo is now a really convenient wood source it still has the major issue of needing A LOT more crafting and is a lot harder to store since you need 18 times more bamboo for the same quantity of wood than you would need with a tree farm.
I think Mojang did a great job at balancing bamboo because bamboo farm can be really good for a casual use of wood but tree farms are still superior for big projects.
I think power creep is a thing to watch out for, but sometimes adding a new thing that seems OP might be a sign that alternatives are too bad. Minecarts for example are essentially useless for player transport unless you make a piston bolt. I think Mojang should focus on adding/changing things so that building infrastructure is beneficial such as dedicated player transport.
Yeah, like minecarts should be buffed so that they go at least as fast as the fastest horse in the game otherwise it’s not worth it
@@Ferrichrome possibly they could just remove the speed cap entirely but slightly to moderately increase deceleration speed and possibly make the redstone rail boost you less, meaning that you could go considerably faster than the elytra if you were willing to go through the effort of building a giant track made of redstone rails
@@MadJack1 I would like that, never thought to do it that way but it would be really cool. They should also add linking carts so that furnace minecarts are not useless
9 bamboo = 2 planks
So 1 chest= 8 planks= 36 bamboo. And 64 chests = 32 double chests = 36 stacks of bamboo. So it's not that op either, and you can still make other tree farms for a better output.
@@leadharsh0616 that wasn't the issue. The issue was that bamboo is so simple, why would you spend hours building a farm for slightly better output?
The thing is that the only times you really need mass quantites of wood is when you're building, and then the wood type matters, so the older wood farms are still just as useful as before in my opinion at least
In other words I highly doubt it will be another elyta situation
For the average player, yes. But if you're a technical player building an item sorter with just 2 double chests and hoppers for say 1000 different stackable items, you need 48000 wood. Besides, this video isn't about the average player since the problem is mainly related to one of the more complex farms players can build: tree farms.
@@bossminotaur4379 I wasn't talking about the average player in the first place, I was talking about people who build stupidly giant things, but yeah you have a point, I still think though that it isn't as bad as the video makes it seem and more of a case where half of the time old farms are still viable even though they are still way to annoyingly nerfed
@@bossminotaur4379 Mojang just made the item sorter easier, be glad
@@bossminotaur4379 if you're a technical player wood farms aren't fun because you need to actually be there for an effective one. Unless it's azalea tree farms which were honestly pretty cool and not very hard
@@bossminotaur4379 So those players should be happy that they finally have an easy source of wood for those mega projects, right?
In order to get bamboo in the first place you’d need to find a jungle biome, and those can be thousands of blocks away, depending on where the player’s spawn point. I guess that helps bamboo wood not be *too* overbearing.
Either way new wood types are never a bad thing (at least for me)
1:22 I guess someone forgot azalea tree farms. No player required and not even player presence required, which is actually required with bamboo farm.
You forgot about 2 very important things:
1 - Bamboo isn't very dense. 9 bamboo = 1 bamboo block = 2 planks. 1 log = 4 planks. Do a bit of basic maths and you realise that logs are literally 18 times more dense than bamboo! Imagine transporting and especially storing 18 times as much stuff in case you needed to craft a bunch of chests or literally anything else.
2 - Bamboo is way more crafting intensive. You need 2 crafting operations, one of which requires a crafting table. So if you want to craft 50k planks, you need to first convert a billion bamboo from a billion shulker boxes into bamboo blocks, and then you still have to convert them into bamboo planks! Compare that to logs where you just.... craft the planks dirently in your inventory.
I feel like everyone is overreacting it
"Oh bamboo is so easy to farm" - Your bamboo farm has to be 18 times faster to match your wood farm (my argument #1)
"But bamboo can be farmed automatically" - You still need a player that randomticks the area
"But the player doesn't have to do anything, he just stands there" - Same for tree farms, but in a tree farm the player holds the right click
"But bamboo farms are easier to make" - Easy? yes, but just look at the size! It's several football stadiums in area!
"Tree farms are only for TMC players" - Please google "ilmango simple tree farm" and tell me that it's too complicated and a good bamboo farm isn't.
This is not a personal attack, it's just that my frustration that has been building over the snapshot period that finally needed to be vented. Thank you for listening to my TED talk
I totally agree.
The simplest tree farm design from ilmango or otherwise is still far more complex than a good bamboo farm. Tree farms are more resource intensive and time-consuming to make than a farm that just requires pistons, hoppers and observers. They all require a bone meal farm, slime, and significant technical knowledge. The simplest bamboo farm requires you to know how an observer works, and is automated.
I agree he skimmed over the amount of tedious crafting and storage needed, but it is still a vastly superior farm to make than tree farming. In the end you'll spend less time crafting than you would have spent holding right click at a tree farm.
9 bamboo = 2 planks
So 1 chest= 8 planks= 36 bamboo. And 64 chests = 32 double chests = 36 stacks of bamboo. So it's not that op either, and you can still make other tree farms for a better output.
@@Oddigan yes however the simplest bamboo farm as you mentioned is not OP fast it would struggle to match any wood farm without mega scale. And the better bamboo farms require just as much either just as much bonemeal or just as much complicated slime as the tree farms.
Yeah I think a lot of more casual players seem to also be forgetting most technical and large scale builders tend to go though with all the effort of building tree farms and I'd rather build a tree farm than a large enough scale bamboo farm to keep up as the build effort involved in bamboo farms can climb rather quickly as you have to scale them up not to mention the lag issues they can cause which becomes very important as soon as you have more than one or two automatic farms running in places like your spawn chunks.
When the elytra was first added in 1.9 it was actually pretty balanced as you couldn't fly with it, only glide. But then in 1.11.1/2 they added firework-boosting to try to stop people from hitting themselves with punch bows. Ironically it was the same update cycle where they removed infinity+mending bows to try to balance them to be less OP.
Also Elytras are locked behind the ender dragon and aren’t that great for nether travel unless you’re on the bedrock roof
@@HACSSuperbMiner What method of getting around the nether is easier than using an elytra
@@HACSSuperbMiner what a delusional thought process
@@HACSSuperbMiner "Also Elytras are locked behind the ender dragon" you mean the thing an average player can kill in 2 hours with 4 beds? "and aren’t that great for nether travel" tell me a better alternative? and theyre great if your render distance settings are done well.
Seems like Mojang has a running theme of being absolutely awful at integrating new stuff with older content and keeping it balanced
You mean it's finally possible to automate wood without having to build an insane redstone contraption, tnt dupers, wither cages that 99% of players would never be able to build without a tutorial? I Think that's great!
Schematics, I guess.
Until you play bedrock and the two way flying machines take almost as much as tree farms
@@Flamme-Sanabi thats sorta like a tutorial too
@@holyelephantmg8838 just use observers and pistons lol
@@dudeofdudovia ?? I know how they work but in bedrock you can’t 1 tick sticky pistons to spit out their block, so if you build it with two sticky pistons it will go back and forth a few blocks and are just confusing. A flying machine would use one side piston and on side sticky piston, going in the direction the piston is facing.
A two way flying a home in bedrock would be super big and is very easy to accidentally break it without knowing what broke.
Tree farms are consistent
"This is a problem!"
"Why?"
"Because it's too beneficial..."
It's really not a problem. Bamboo is useful for 3 things: Bamboo Planks, Scaffolding, and Sticks. The Planks and Sticks are the only comparable things here. For the most part, Bamboo Planks are only decoration in comparison to other planks. Sticks are the final comparison here... and let's be honest, they're sticks. Sticks are used, but are also incredibly easy to get. Tools, rails, bows, torches, it's true that you do use sticks all the time. But when you remember that 1 log = 8 sticks you realize that you have all the sticks you need.
Need sticks? 2 minutes and 4 oak trees later, that's about 2 stacks of sticks right there. Bamboo will likely be of no consequence.
This time I think it won't be as bad. Servers that needed a complicated tree farm before probably still need huge quantities of specific wood types now, for decorative purposes. I know mine will at least
couple issues i have. first, most people dont make tree farms to begin with. also, i think it's mainly up to convenience of finding it. bamboo is harder to find than most other woods unless you get really lucky i guess. same thing with elytra, it's only available after "beating" the game and finding a super hard to find end city with a chance of it not even being there.
I've build a tree farm in survival and it was specifically for spruce wood. I don't see bamboo wood being a problem because the only time someone would be willing to build automatic wood production is if they're building a large base in which the type of wood matters and no matter what not all bases will be build out of bamboo wood.
I am okay with this addition, as most of the time when I use wood for crafting stuff where wood type makes no difference, it's primarily hoppers or chests that are somewhat expensive without a tree farm. Otherwise, I still use wood and its crafting products as building blocks. Bamboo removes the hassle of having to stop being creative to either manually deforest an area or spend several hours AFK at a tree farm. It cuts down on the grind and gives the player more time to create.
I'd also like to add, to make the elytra useful, you need a mending villager (not that hard), a sugar cane farm and a gunpowder farm for rockets. Not to mention you need to kill the ender dragon first (unless you bridge out 1000 blocks without being knocked into the void by the dragon)
All of these are easy ngl, Creeper farms don't need much really, you just need an ocean and you can get to it. Mending is only a bit tedious, as long as you re-roll you can get mending. Sugar cane farms are also really easy to make, as easy as watermelon or pumpkin farms. at most it'll take you 2-3 hours to beat the game if you're an average casual player, if you're an advanced plauer you get to it about 45min-1hr, if you're a speedrunner you can get to it in less than 30 minutes. Meaning, beating the game is pretty easy and therefore getting an elytra is also easy (getting multiple is definitely a problem though, but getting just one is the easy part)
any mediocre mc player can do all of those things relatively easily. just cuz its "late game" doesnt mean its hard.
@@poikoi1530 who kills the dragon after 3 hours
@@poikoi1530 if you play minecraft like some speedrun game, then go on. But most players play it C A S U A L L Y. Or at least don't speedrun it. They build farms, buildings, big projects etc. And elytra as a late game item makes doing all this stuff much easier. Also, i really doubt that you can get elytra if you completed the game like speedrunners do cuz you don't have blocks to build in end nor stuff to fight shulkers
@@sicker889 If you're in the end, you can do it. You don't need to bridge over to an Island, all you need is to defeat the dragon and you have an Elytra.
A few things: yes tree farms require player interaction but carpet bots exist. Also, bamboo requires more crafting which is cringe. For early game or non technical players, maybe bamboo will be better. But for someone like me, a 2x2 spruce tree farm will always be the way to go
Spruce Superiority
In real life, you need to put bamboo under pressure and add resins to make bamboo wood. I think Mojang should do something similar. Require a blast oven, and have there be a consumable like slime be included in the crafting. That would add some balance back to it.
Yeah I genuinely like that, especially with how slime is impossible to get in decent quantities without a farm
That's actually really smart
That's a good idea
or honey comb ?
Honestly good idea, but slime feels too hard to get IMO. Maybe make 1 bamboo block with 8 bamboo shoots and 1 slime ball ?
3:11
Him: The elytra has no downsides
Me: (My Minecraft username) has been died by kinetic energy...
This seems like an issue only to your niche. Probably less than 1% of players are making tree farms. Most people probably don't know about them, and if you show them they'd probably think "wow that looks awful" I think bamboo wood is gonna be a good addition for the majority of players
I personally think a elytars are pretty balanced, because you do have to beat the game to get them, plus you're going to need to make a gunpowder Farm and you're also going to need to make a sugar cane Farm just For the rockets.
And get mending and unbreaking, or they last for 7 minutes and require killing phantoms
all 3 are cap lol
A few hours of work at most doesn’t balance putting yourself in god mode. I personally like elytra’s but in no way are they balanced.
@@pallavparmar9818 Who cares? They are fun, thaty aren't harming anyone and you can just put a challegne to yourself to not use them until you achieve x.
@@anyoldthing A ridable flying mob would be amazing, still though, wings make building and moving around your base so much easier, plus you are more willing to explore ong-distance intea of short distance. I personally love exploring and elytras make it a lot more fun.
jungle biomes are kinda rare, and you often find them more late game, when there is actually a greater need for mass producing wood. Other wood types are great, but as you progress in the game, it gets harder and harder to keep wood production up with your increasing demand for wood, especially with how tedious tree farms can be (the reason why many people just kinda don’t use them). I think that bamboo being easy to farm is a good thing, due to the applications of late game farming this could have, and the fact that you usually don’t find jungles until late game.
I agree that this isn't a problem but saying that jungles are only late game is very shortsighted. Any biome is possible to spawn in or around, and I often search for thousands of blocks before I decide where to settle. A jungle isn't even a rare biome and even if it was, I've spawned in or right next to multiple mesas, so again, it's no guarantee. Plus, you can find bamboo in shipwrecks and considering how useful scaffolding is early game, many people will go out of their way to get it.
At the end of the day, this new wood isn't unbalanced, but claiming that the reason it's balanced is because jungles are rare is like claiming elytras are balanced because you need gunpowder and sugar cane farms to utilize it. A mechanic can't just be balanced in specific conditions, it has to be balanced no matter what, or else it isn't balanced, and this mechanic is balanced
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 yea thats fair
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Yeah I spawned in between a mesa and jungle in my latest world, with an acacia wood (idk what the biome is called) village only about a minute of walking from spawn. The village had two iron pickaxes in the blacksmith chest, alongside iron boots. Day one gold, near infinite wood, and a large mountain near spawn that I carved my base into.
Also. I'm pretty sure traders can give bamboo, because one of my worlds is an island with no jungle. I haven't left the island, yet I have bamboo.
@@wickedwilfre8348wandering traders can't sell bamboo
@@tapgames3465 Oh my bad. I just checked and it was mangroves that I got from a trader. The bamboo was found in a sunken ship. Thanks for correcting my mistake.
I'm excited for cheaper wood for things like chests! Regular wood will still have a use if you want a specific type of something
That sentiment will be the eventual end of the technical playstyle.
In defense of the Elytra, it **is** an end-game item that can't be crafted and only found in end cities which are already fairly challenging to find depending on how lucky you are to find one that's close. Not to mention the risk of accidentally dying like running into a wall at high speeds while using one and losing it lol. Personally I love being able to travel incredibly long distances without worrying about killing my horse or having to mine like a million ice blocks and spend forever and a half making a highway. I think it's a nice reward for end-game play.
Why are you talking about elytras?
@@monmagog at the 3 minute mark in the video, he talks about Elytras being overpowered. I'm speaking on that point.
Purpler, this is the most appropriate, well timed, and humorous application of this quote, that I have ever seen! 5:12 Props to you for using that (somewhat complicated) concept here!
It makes getting a lot of wood easier, but I think that's a good thing. I believe every resource should at some point become farmable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the only 3 things in Minecraft that don't look like the wood type they were made with are sticks, chests and crafting tables. If you want to make a nice looking build, you need the different types of wood. Besides, once you're at the stage of building either farm, wood should be more or less a building block
Ok, wrote this comment before he showed the other blocks, looks like I'm stuck in the past. But even then, those blocks, you only need a few of other than chests. And if you can save your desired wood type and make chests out of bamboo, I see that as a win
4:17 to answer your question, the major population of minecraft players. People dont look for a wood type because it's simple to get most of the time, they look for it because it looks pretty or it fits their build. And the ~1% of players who will go search for a bamboo forest or try and get lucky and spawn near one, well they can do things their way.
I feel like the only time you need a extremely large quantity of wood is building where wood type does matter because of personal preference or smelting which there is a ton of more efficient fuel sources so i feel like its not as much of a problem
I think it actually re-balances the game, at least in regards to hoppers. Before you have a golem farm hoppers are expensive because they require 5 iron ingots, after you have a golem farm hoppers are expensive because they require a chest, which requires 8 planks, which require 2 logs, which have to be gathered by hand until you go through the effort to get an AFK tree farm, and by that time AFKing at a farm is almost as bad as gathering by hand. A bamboo farm is as easy as a golem farm, so you build them next to each other and hoppers are just a block you have unlimited access to very early in your progression.
@@synckronix is 5 iron ingots expensive? Depends on the context. If you have 64 iron ingots then no, if you have 3 iron ingots then yes
@@synckronix I think you're missing the neuances. My point is that, without automatization, wood is easier to get than iron and, with automatization, iron is so much easier that it's ridiculous and I don't think that is a feature of a "balanced" meta
@@synckronix yes but then it's 5 times however many you need, If you have 200 iron you'll only be able to make 40 hoppers and that doesn't include what else you need that iron for
I must say the main reason for farming the other woods is for building so you probably won't start farming them that much especially considering the more specific theming that bamboo has.
is there even any indication that the bamboo block will be interchangeable with wood recipes?? didn’t get that impression when it was revealed
All wood recipes can be done with bamboo wood in the current snapshots
To be fair, there are a couple of big drawbacks. 1) You need to craft blocks of bamboo before crafting them into planks. And many spigot and paper servers have spam protection that breaks mass crafters. 2) You can't make charcoal out of them, and that's what wood is often used for (from my experience as a more casual player).
One simple (simpler?) solution to nerf them further is to change the crafting recipe from blocks of bamboo to stripped blocks of bamboo. In that case, you'll need at least 2 players and an xp farm to mass produce planks. But then everyone will complain that bamboo became useless.
i feel like the rarity of bamboo and elytras helps to balance them. they may have better usage, but if you can't find them in the first place then you're better off using the more common materials.
You go find 1 bamboo stick and you now have millions of it. Elytras, on the other hands, are used by very skilled players only.
I've been playing since 1.6 here and there, once per year, and it's only around 1.17 when I started mining and using diamonds
@@art-of-the-art I started in 1.6 too, bit dang only in 1.17? that's taking casual to a whole new level
@@art-of-the-art I'm a bit stuck in the past when i was at the peak of my Minecraft play time, 1.6... I used horses all the time (I mean that's when horses were introduced) and loved em so much, that to this day, i only use elytras when I think that it's too dangerous to bring my horse to that area or they may get lost. That's it, any other time, I use horses, i even still use horses for PvP as a horse archer **mongol noises intensifies**
@@poikoi1530 eh, my playstyle mostly revolves around finding a cool place in nature, building a cool base there (So building it is, yeah) and doing some stuff until i get bored. I also play like 30 hours every half a year and wait for some time to pass and come back.
Recently i started a new world in 1.19, and somehow got a shit ton of progress out of nowhere. Used a lot of diamond tools, got 3 netherite items at the moment, killed enderdragon with my friend and got elytras. The whole point of the world was to build something inspired by dragonstone in game of thrones, so i am currently stopped playing to not get tired of building 20m walls around like 200m space (not even mentioning a cool castle within)
so yeah, iron was an ok tool to me. Durability was a bit problematic, but the rarity of iron ore balances it
Personally I think Bamboo is fine overall it doesnt really break anything or make things worse for minecraft but lets say we want to balance out bamboo. Since bamboo is a fuel source and is used for scaffolding being a huge part to minecraft we can nerf it by getting it a percentage drop. Same way with melons it gives you a percentage of the crop instead of all of bamboo. So every bamboo has a 70 percent drop rate and having fortune or looting on a sword ups it at max to 100 so farms that are automatic arent as overpowered. Now another way is making it like cactus where it can be placed near blocks and will break if not placed next to another bamboo. Last solution is bamboo can be corrupted if not maintained properly or put in proper environments or slows down the rates of production because of such things occuring. Personally Idm it how it is but if they change it I would like these options so it doesnt ruin much of anything overall and can balance it out
You can also grow bamboo in the spawn chunks with bonemeal from a moss farm. That would make it so that you don't even have to be near the farm, it would run in the background.
I think the easiest nerf would be to make bamboo wood purely cosmetic and you can't use it to craft things.
You'd still need to be near it.
@@celestialowl8865 Not if its in spawn chunks or near a chunk loader
@@captcalvin2293 There's a difference between random ticks which happen around a player, and entity processing/Redstone processing that happens around loaded chunks regardless of player. These require random ticks which require a player
@@captcalvin2293 crops require player ticks to grow.
@@YounesLayachi no. If bonemeal is used on a plant it will grow regardless of the player's existence
Activation is malding
This just means tree wood is for aesthetics, not crafting. Which seems good to me.
Wow i've never seen a redstone youtuber use the modern RUclips editing Meta, this is kinda fun to watch
0:29 " you may rest now, there is a bamboo farm nearby" 🗿
I suggest, building a bridge and getting over it. Tree farms are still gonna be built by those who want a certain kind of wood, plus you have to go out and find bamboo, meaning not everyone will have access to it early on. The average player probably won't ever build a tree farm, only those who want to get more deep into the game will, same with bamboo.
Wait till you find out about the dirt block! It will horrify you with its cheapness and eradicates the use of others I assure!
mojang pls nerf cobblestone it invalidates other types of stone :cry:
There is no problem here, because the wood is still gonna be used for making based, its just gonna make wood based items easier to craft, which is always nice
Here's the argument I have for 'bamboo is too good or too strong'
The solution to this issue is incredibly simple. Don't use it. This is an open world sandbox game where redstoners due absolutely off the wall things with blocks they really shouldn't. It's okay for something to be good. It's okay for something to be great. It's okay to use something that is good or great. It's okay to choose not to do something that is too good or too great.
Dude, I had this video in "Watch later" and it perfectly transitioned from a memes video without ads or loading. So I sat here for 3 minutes, waiting for a joke. And then I laughed my butt off when I found out. XD
Well, bamboo jungles are already rare. Maybe they don't have to do anything about it. The same can be said for elytra. You can only get them after you defeated the ender dragon.
I use minecarts and horses and potions because they are fun. However rails should be cheaper, that would make them more relevant. Potions should also be 16 stackable or at least 8 stackable to keep the horse at high speed on long rides
I think this is what Mojang wanted with bamboo, making an insanely complicated, easy to break and dangerous farm isn’t really appealing to a casual player. And I assume it was a little too op like the video said and that’s why they made the crafting a little less profitable (4->2) but I don’t think bamboo wood is changing much
Here an idea
Maybe those block like crafting table, chest (most block that are crafted with woods)
Should only be craft with only “Tree” woods and not bamboo woods
Because bamboo is so different from the other
I don't think the elytra are a fair comparison here, since you still have to find a stronghold, go to the end, kill the ender dragon, venture into the outer islands, find an end city, pray that city has a ship, and then pray harder that that ship hasn't already been looted (assuming you're on a multiplayer server). So the elytra are still gatekept within the game enough to make them balanced, I feel.
As for the issue of other wood types not being worth it, I personally disagree. When I'm playing Minecraft, I like to have a supply of all wood types in my storage system just in case one of my builder friends needs it for something (we play as a community, so my resources are their resources and their resources are my resources)
i swear this guy's biggest dream is for literally everything in MC to be obtained exclusively through the most obnoxious tedious time-consuming ways possible and for nothing to be easy to gather
man said rails took ages to build as if it was a good thing.
nobody likes tedious building. or grinding.
also game is easy. a normal person could probably kill the dragon in an hour after spawning without needing to try very hard
Literally. Like fine it's good to grind it out in some ways but you gotta sometimes just let it go lol
@@comet.x It might be just that i’m the biggest noob in the existence of minecraft but in my *5 YEARS OF PLAYING* I never killed the dragon ONCE
@@weegie3343 Same, never got to End in survival. Enderman are extremely rare and rarely drop pearls and I never cared enough to go actively hunt them every night, so my stash of ender pearls always had way too little to open a portal or even find a fortress.
@@weegie3343 Well, were you trying to?
I kinda like it, I do not will use bamboo really much (because it's ugly) so for things like sticks, other crafts that's require wood it's really great
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How did nobody reply in 1 year 💀💀💀
I think they should make it so bamboo needs to be crafted with 9 to make a bamboo strip then 9 of those to make a full block or adjusted accordingly
I don’t understand what the issue with this is? What’s so important about wood besides smelting or building? Building requires all the other types, and smelting is a lot easier nowadays with lava farms. Even then you can just directly smelt bamboo before this update was talked about. There’s nothing else about bamboo or wood that is so essential late or mid game that would require massive farms besides building.
I would totally agree with this videos message, but the simple truth is that it won’t affect the way we play the game in any way.
Exactly its pretty sad that most of the stuff you need is now super easy to grind
So you are saying that having to spend less time not actively engaging with the fun parts of the game for the same reward is bad. Did i get that wright?
@@samsungpower6490 well kind of, i mean yes its not exiting but that is one of the main thing in minecraft and there can be people that dont mine for wood in their entire play through
@@samsungpower6490 i think that the change of (balance) *edit: input* and payoff is just something that feels unsatisfying especially for redstoners
We’ll just get used to it. And it may end up becoming something that the game feels terrible without. Like pre 1.13 swimming now feels unbearable to me.
Fr, people made so much drama when netherite was added, but now, everyone uses it.
I dont think the game is as fun when its super grindy, so i love elytra and im happy for the change.
Just fly in creative or add something like stargate or /warp, it shouldn't come at the expense of everyone who wants transportation infrastructure to actually be part of their world rather than a sugarcane and creeper farm tucked away somewhere
@@eliad6543 but the thing is that nobody is forcing you to use elytra
@@Bombastian1230 That's true but it being there makes it harder, you have to resist using it. It's not that it's never a better idea, just once you have it you have no reason to use anything else. There's a meta to the game and elytra ruins it. It allows you to accomplish more at the expense of having fun with transport. If I don't use elytra, I can't build as fast or as well as other players, I'll have a harder time finding a good location. A good transport solution would erase that "tradeoff".
@@eliad6543 I agree but it's hard to make a transportsystem to rival the elytra without making the other systems even more redundant.
To be fair, I hate Elytra because it's kill more creative and fun way to add travel options in minecraft like jetpack, bamboo copter, and airship, but bamboo wood isn't, getting large amount of wood stuff especially chest on server is super grindy, if I make a complicate tree farm for a specific purpose it's tedious, and it's has pretty high chance to be broke and I hate maintainance. Bamboo will help early need of chest, composter, piston quite a lot.
I loved the “and when everyone’s super! No one will be”
I think your only looking at things from a redstone perspective, as a builder I would never just abandon the other woods because bamboo is easy to get, sure it will take priority when it comes to things like crafting or smelting but is that really a bad thing?
This guy: complaining about bamboo being OP
Modded players using Forestry and Bonsai Pots:
Regarding the tree farms, something like the Timber mod where chopping a single block drops the entire tree would be great for the tree farms. That, along with allowing dispensers to use axes like they can use shears would be good enough.
It would make tree farms easier to build but orders of magnitude slower.
@@nnnik3595 Once you automate something, it will work on its own. Then you can just build more trees with the same farm design and it will be very efficient due to the economics of scale.
@@UltimatePerfection no that's not how it works. 1st is material and time constraints aka if you need a farm that's 10 times as fast to build but yields only a thousandth of the result the overall effort to build a farm of similar size will go up.
The second is space constraints - you can only load so much before the internal server is done for or you are simply constraint by render distance in single player.
The third is laggyness. Building many many of those smaller farms is probably laggier than running one big farm. This might not be so important for single player but is absolutely crucial for multiplayer. As such your solution does not scale up to a useful degree and is not a solution - though it could be fun to play around with this.
I'm surely not the only one to see the observer eyebrows at 0:19, surely, surely not.
There's also an issue of the resources needed to make the farms.
With each additional layer of bamboo farming you want, you need to spend a linear addition of resources. For tree farms, it becomes multiplicatively more expensive.
They should make it so it’s 9 bamboo for a bamboo board, then 9 bamboo boards for a bamboo plank, then 9 bamboo planks for a bamboo planks block…
This is the type of editing I like.
Turned a normal concept that doesn't seem too interesting into fun.
Nooo not the wood bamboo needs to be removed ,🙁🥺😳😭
The problem with bamboo though is the fact that it's only located in some parts of the jungle, making it a kind of hard to get resource (specially when you are creating a new world and your spawnpoint isn't even near to a jungle). Perhaps it could be useful if what you want is, for some reason, an immense amount of wood that takes no effort to farm, but if that isn't the case then I still think that wood is better than bamboo.
you can find bamboo in shipwrecks just take one and place one and when it grows break it and put more
A jungle biome is hard to find and an elytra is end game reward for killing the dragon.
DID YOU KNOW??????? bamboo is actually a grass type plant, not a tree
also it has a stronger tensile strength than titanium
The whole wood farm thing is such a weird and specific issue that its hilarious to see someone talk about
"wa wa wa"
maybe make it so bamboo wood can't be used to craft pistons, chests etc so it can only be used aesthetically in bamboo planks slabs doors and so on
Just disable chest crafting, it's the main wood sink
@@Yorick257 u gotta make it somewhat intuitive tho, like what's the reason for just disabling chests?
You are in a video
Right here ----> 4:07
Yes the elytra is OP when compared to the other forms or transport but only if you use it. Personally I hate the elytra and never use it because it makes me motion sick. I freely admit it's more convenient but I'd rather not vomit on my keyboard.
And bamboo may be easier to farm but to me it'll mostly likely mean that the block will be used as an easy to obtain filler block as much as a decorative block or fuel source. While I like the look of the block I doubt I'll use it for more than the occasional flooring or other visible decorative use
Yea, like guys like Ilmango really need a reason to make vastly overcomplicated farms, lol.
Also, you're ignoring the fact there's no auto-crafting in the game, so both still need human interaction to actually get wood blocks.
beautiful video essay. nice structure and good points, I don't really care about the topic that much unlike most people watching this and I'm just interested in appreciating the effort put in.
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@@IAmTheTruCanadian uh what
To keep the logic, they could make it so that one block of bamboo gives one bamboo plank, but rename the bamboo plank. After all, bamboo plank texture is just six sided bamboo wood right ? (And all bamboo varients would be considered as planks)
I think it's a great addition, as you can easily auto farm nearly everything (Iron, Gold, Sand, Emerald, XP, ...) but not wood. So currently wood is underpowered and the biggest pain for all builds.
Bamboo is op like real life. They should also make bamboo shoot edible.
I can only imagine mad scientists inventing this red stone machines