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the fact that he just clicked yes to the field spell, he's becoming more and more like real master duel players
Monkey klick button...
Lol the guy who made salamangreat really made it imune to noobs
And it really does show why he'll never get into Yu-Gi-Oh as well. Bro making moves like that on top of the game already being difficult as it is, explains a lot about his previous videos trying to play
I hope this video will make people stop recommending Salamangreat to new players. This deck has so many pitfalls it's crazy. New players will more often lose to themselves than to their opponents.
If you want to start off with a combo deck, take Crusadia: easy, linear lines and "spamming" in one deck. You also learn the basics of the game. I would recommend Crusadia as a 2nd deck after a control deck
Speaking of, I would always take a control deck with some active engine plays as an introduction to the game, e.g. Altergeist, as Control decks put more emphasis on learning things like resource management or the right mindset for YGO - and less on knowing lines.
@@StriderYGOI agree my friend tried Crusadia and got it immediately Salads have alot of small combos that a new player could miss and having to keep track of if you already used the field spell effect for a link summon and wolfs arrow effect can be Abit of a headache
Marincess isn't too bad, Their combo are mostly specific
If someone want an easy to learn combo deck, I think Speedroid is a good one
Salamagreat is still pretty simple compared to most decks, and in MD it can climb pretty high in the ladder compared to the other structure decks.
@@user-ms5mt7xs1i i would tell new players not to touch Cyberse with a pole as a new player (as a deck)
Synopsis:
When an incredibly tired force meets an immovable object.
All I've learned from Bagooska is that the incredibly tired force IS the immovable object
@@beefnoodlegaming Not if you're using a link deck xD
That shouldn't be the take away from this video. It should be: Yugioh is oing to die because new players don't exist beause they need to read novels.
Everything Raran learned from Farfa : It will make sense later.
I mean to be fair, majority of Yu-Gi-Oh requires patience, so...
Have you seen the lines of some combos, it can't make sence until later.
At least he didn't start going to the phDDD course. You don't know how many years it takes to successfully graduate just to pass an opponent by making baronne, sigfried, high king Ceasar, machinex, and Gilgamesh.
And not just seeking clout?
@@KuribohTwinAs someone who has tried both of the following decks: D/D/D and Dragunity, I want to say that dragunity seems more complicated in terms of lines to me.
Seeing this live was painful. Nothing against either of our boys. But Rarran is clearly done with yugioh (tbh he never really was on board to begin with) and Farfa seemed to be clearly aware of it. I do respect that they stuck with it for as long as they did.
I'll be honest this is 1,000,000% facts and this is what I've been trying to tell people this entire situation, Coder and Farfa realized it but MBT and Stevie want to be ignorant to these facts.
@@emiliovgc507 I don't think MBT particularly cares whether Rarran is being hard headed or not. The issues the game has that were emphasized by this whole thing is probably all he was interested in, otherwise, he probably would have tried to get in contact with the man himself. I think it's less about Joseph being oblivious to it, and more about it being irrelevant to him.
Stevie is just stupid, tho
@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. Real shame Stevie was the YGO ambassador on Rarran's channel though
Dude is actively hurting the YGO community for no good reason
Pretty sure in one of Rarran livestream (reacting to MBT/Farfa reaction) he said that he will not play YGO anymore, so I kinda surprised here.
@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. yeah idk wtf Stevie is doing, man never has a good take. I'm pretty sure MBT was ragging on Farfa tho, like there was a stream where Farfa was pointing out how dumb this situation is and the innate bias of Rarran and just started shitty on Farfa and trying invalidate his arguments
Rarran selling his soul cuz a Yu-Gi-Oh card asked for yes or no to an activation effect (it was a Canon event)
I actually had a non-player spectate my duel today. I was using a beginner deck against another beginner deck against someone who could play but was still a beginner.
They're both my decks, and so I could help the other player as they went through, explaining why certain cards are important.
And the person watching this, who has only ever played Pokémon years ago, was absolutely mind blown that I had every single cards in both these decks memorised, despite neither of them being my actual deck.
My opponent said "finally a trap card", I said "oh did you draw (X) card". Which he did and the spectator was dumbfounded.
So it really helped me personally see the viewpoint of Rarran, being overwhelmed by being expected to have every card memorised.
On the other hand, I would never ever play a card game with rotating lists. From the sounds of what I heard from the Farfa's last Rarran video, if I got into hearthstone, the second I got to grips with the game, I would go to and exclusively play on "wild" format.
Thing with rotating formats is that they often kill the "wild" formats because cards are designed for "standard" with little care of what they do to wild. So wild will often just be stuck in a horrid state until powercreep provides solutions in maybe a year or 2.
Yugioh's biggest advantage over other card games is the lack of mana as that removes a lot of powercreep from the game. Yugioh still hasn't reached the powerceiling but manabased cardgames regularly reach it and thats when rotation comes in.
Wild is where we can observe how badly powercreep screws over manabased cardgames.
@@luminous3558this is just egregiously wrong. It's precisely because YGO has neither rotation nor a mana system that it's the most power creeped TCG of all of them.
Legcy in mtg. No rotation in legecy. And commander. Just ban lists
If you are an established player in any card game at some point you realize how deep you are when you just know every single card in multiple decks which people outside might think is wild. If you are a fan of non-rotating formats figure I should mention magic the gathering has like 5 of those. Might be worth looking into.
Everyone knows the best deck to learn as a beginner is Blue Eye's Chaos Max. Opening hand. 2 ritual monsters, and 2 level 8's you have no chance to summon. Set White stone. Pass. As god intended.
I mean that s a good idea. The problem with salads is like Rarran said he doesnt even know the win condition. In Blue eyes even if he only knows the og vanilla almost every card looks strong and makes instantly sense. In salads all the monsters are material for Access or walling up. To even know that access is your real boss you have to know his effect because he looks small with 2300atks. Salads is like farfa said not a good first deck choice.
@@Pkey995 agreed. A grindy link deck is far from a deck I would recommend to beginners.
I think if you're trying to introduce someone to Yugioh, a deck like sword soul, synchrony, or maybe speedroids. Synchro monsters are fairly easy to understand.
"Upon the 7th summon, God rested for the turn..."
It's a simple, big, fun dragon deck that doesn't take more than 5 minutes to explain. Clearly it's the better start for new players.
@@Pkey995 the win condition is the long game, but he's looking for a blowout win condition.
"Salamangreat doesn't really search, it sends things to the graveyard and then retrieves it with its link monster"
"So why are you sending the trap?"
"Salamangreat doesn't really search, it sends things to the graveyard and then retrieves it with its link monster"
This was the most tilting. I hate that he literally asks why he did something immediately after being explained in a succinct manner why he was made to do it.
THANK YOU, this dude is just either really disrespectful or just ignorant
@@monkeylemur Not sure. I got the feeling he was asking what was the point of sending that card there, as more of "Ok, but why should I want to search this trap card."
When overwhelmed you don't always notice everything people tell you. I actually found Rarran to be a surprisingly fast learner, given the amount of stuff at hand. It also might just be that Rarran didn't understand farfa the first time around, and needed time to process. Besides, I think farfa kinda screwed up some teaching moments as well.
@@lowfianimal8605 Rarran plays enough card games to be able to understand what Farfa said. He is just fully checked out of Yugioh and couldn't even show basic courtesy to even try and learn anything Farfa showed him.
I think the premise of Modern Yugioh being so combo centric is what's doing in Rarran's focus. In a resource-managed game like MtG or Hearthstone, every card has individual meaning and importance, which is why Rarran keeps reading each card fully. But with YGO's resource system basically being your number of cards, it's a very high hurdle to move your thinking toward "no single card defines your gameplay loop" where Farfa is decribing cards with text as "blank" for the purposes of looping activations. Devoting less focus to each card as just a component of a larger engine is so counter to the baseline that other games set, it's no wonder that it's so difficult for players to migrate toward YGO.
Nearly every important play is a multi card synergy, which is why Rarran cant get a direct answer when he asks for the win condition. Because even if Gazelle is the most "important" card in the hand, its importance is simply because of the other cards it references, is used to summon, and so on. Then this folds in on itself when he goes on to bring out Miragestallio, which references even more cards that its merely a vessel to enable later down the line.
A solid opening in MTG/Hearthstone/Lorcana is meeting the resource curve and maintaining momentum, whereas Yugioh has your first turn using most of your hand and a number of cards that were not in your hand to set up steps 1-5 of a 7-step plan that ends in a number going from 8000 to 0.
The only similarities this game shares with most others on the market is that you use small bits of cardboard. It's not a measure of liking the game or a matter of quality. It's that jumping to this system in particular is the card game equivalent of judging a fish on its ability to climb a tree.
can you all imagine if they got n3sh to coach him.
N3sh 3 cigarettes deep after 2 minutes yelling my brother in Christ can you fucking read
N3sh is one of the few people who would call rarran out for phoning it in like he did in this video
@@mattgibson9337And it would make sense
desperate times require desperate measures
"You illiterate monkey read your cards. NO, WHY DO YOU NOT **READ**. I just TOLD you this!"
i still believing that whoever suggested salads to a new player gotta be trolling lol
I would agree, but Rarran is also a highly skilled tcg player.
Skill between tcgs is generally transferable in some way.
This man could understand Salads if he gave a shit. He just doesn't.
I always forget how much of a learning curve this game has it's like learning a language. Although I question why Rarran insists he needs an exact card that is the deck's wincon. There are multiple ways to win a game for any tcg.
Even in hearthstone, there is no deck that has one card that is just "the wincon" except combo.
He was being purposely anal-retentive in my opinion. Personally I became kind of obvious that he had no intention of really learning the game after his initial video
@@ich3730 Yeah but that’s the thing. For a non-yugioh player, this is a combo deck, so it’s reasonable to expect to combo into a specific wincon. That’s how most combo decks work in other card games.
It wasn't that he needs exact 1 card to be a win condition, he wanted to know what the win condition was (which could be explained as easily as "we will end up making a huge monster and attacking twice in 1 turn")
I feel bad that Rarran hasn't gotten a hang of things but damn he really seems like he doesn't really want to learn.
I don't blame him. Let's say he did learn this deck.
He'd then have to learn all the equally/more complex lines of every other deck and learn the choke points just for those decks lines to change completely with the next set/future sets/new ban lists/whatever.
The lines in other card games aren't as complex, even in magic.
And all of this for a card game that gives the worst prize support compared to the others except for like maybe vanguard.
@@Joolenplus That is very true. But my retort would be that once he gets the intricacies of the deck and sees how his opponents play, his mind will get used to the flow of the game and will allow him to take that mindset and try newer decks.
It is a complex ass game especially in the current meta so I totally understand why he doesn't want to get swallowed up by the YGO mind rot.
A magic player does not have the lung capacity to play yugioh
@@Awsomeisimo imagine going from playing Mono Red to playing an Adamancipator deck? I would lose my mind
@@Awsomeisimoidk about that , I think yugioh is like path of exile while magic is like diablo 2 , when you tell a new player about the skill tree of each game of course everyone will say path of exile is complicated(because it is).
The only difference is that path of exile players admit their game is unfriendly to new players while in yugioh people cope hard by just saying read the cards and the game is not that hard
I'm a relatively new player who got back into the game. What really helped me was learning how to read the cards. There's not many keywords, but there are hard, soft OPT, quick effects/trigger/continuous effects. And then learning what effects are beneficial and their costs. After that it becomes easier to decipher what decks want to do.
I've been trying to get into magic recently, and what has surprised me is even with me not even reading a deck (just goin in with a pre built deck) it' pretty easy to see what the game plan is. And not just for yourself, but about your opponents too.. Not to say that's a good way to go rack up wins... I lose more often than not, but I never actually feel 'lost' in terms of understanding what's happening in the game during said game. Only time it comes up is when a new keyword pops up and wrecks my shit.
I admit there are some rulings that do confuse me even after trying to google the card name. But understanding the keywords and seeing it interact in a few matches with other cards serves as a stopgap measure.
@@YouboremenowThe biggest problem I had when starting Magic was that I absolutely despise the entire concept of lands.
I hate opening too many or too few lands and having to go "whoops, guess i'm losing" because of it.
Sure you can mulligan, but that just puts you in a worse position so now you can play a little before losing instead of not playing at all before losing.
@@skeletonwar4445 I hear that, Especially when it comes to using instants and what not in your opponents turn. Going from easy access to trap cards and quickplay spells to having to make sure you have mana up is annoying af.
It’s rly hard to teach combo decks to someone because there are so many intricacies that can trip you over. You notice because farfa always mentions three other options when there was a mistake made which is probably more confusing for the guy learning the deck. But yes Farfa is absolutely right. Before you try to learn a deck, you kinda have to read card by card and think about what happens with another card. Just interactions on top of interactions. That’s the difficulty most new players have to deal with
Nothing wrong with reading imo, what the heck
Every game requires to learn the basics
@@elvenatheart982 will a newbie know what he should discard, and what should he add on a different hand and different game state by just reading lady debug?
i don't think so. You see he add gazelle after normal summoning because all he know is "Lady debug add gazelle" from a youtube combo
@@jps_user20 yeah you dont know, you olay the deck test it.
@elvenatheart982 In context, I think it's more like, "Welcome to English. Now read Macbeth." or "Wanna learn math? Let's start with trigonometry."
While card text is rudimentary to YGO, the complexity behind the context of the texts varies from archetype to archetype. In a format where hard once per turns and one turn end boards are very common, Salamangreats revolve themselves around recycling a single monster, using its effect for resources rather than ending with a protected boss monster.
@@jps_user20but isnt that the point of learning? Getting the basics so you can start making decisions? And if your decision was wrong, boom you just learned
"I will never play Yu-Gi-Oh again"
Plays YGO every week since
As someone who was high legend in hearthstone and won a yugioh regional i can say this with absolute certainty. Its fine that he got recommended salamangreat. Considering he was rank 1 legend at one point he does have the ability to learn a yugioh deck in aprox half an hour to and hour if he actually tried. I can say this because i was high legend before playing yugioh ever. Hearthstone has had some very complicated combo decks so this is purely a thing were he does not want to learn the game for comedic affect.
yeah, it's a bit obvious he just doesn't want to learn. Farfa had to carry this hard to make it entertaining.
make sense, it's like he already hating the game it's self or the community behind it so make a bit bias imo
I think he probably not comfortable about how fast the game is, he obviously capable of playing, but most of the time he just drift and click everything that glowed...
@@darkira2129 Again let me repeat i would agree with you if he was just a random person. But the problem is he was at one point THE HIGHEST RANKED HEARTHSTONE PLAYER in USA.
@@AcacontrolsI think this says more about Hearthstone than it does about him
I know that Rarran just absolutely refuses to learn yugioh and that no progress is going to be made in this video whatsoever and yet, I still clicked instantly. It's almost mesmerizing seeing different creators attempting to teach him in their own different ways.
He made progress on Cimo's video, is not like he doesn't want to play YGO, but feels overwhelmed by current format
@@Jyxero That's what I initially thought too, but after watching this vid, I no longer think so. Idk, maybe you're right and I'm just hard to convince.
@@lolhuman25 he was already done with yugioh by the time he uploaded that controversial video of his. Everything afterward was just content farming and humoring other yugitubers.
Guy's made up his mind a long while ago and all we can rrally do is just cope and move on.
That's why everyone should try to be successful and good at what they do. People will go a long way to appeal to you if you are.
@@Jyxero he doesn't want to play is what he keeps saying
But you know he will be involved considering the views YGO makes for him
I'm glad I'm not the only one who is getting the impression that Rarran was trying to not to learn. I can't shake that feeling. With the amount of Yugioh he's played, I don’t believe that he's retained NOTHING between games like this. I'm glad he tried but watching these videos are very frustrating.
Because you are correct. He didn't want to learn a new game but he wanted the video. You can tell he doesn't want to be here for anymore than his OG video but I guess he wants the collab so he's here.
He's already made up his mind that he hates the game, why bother learning the game if you are going to hate it, even if your rationale for hating it is you being bad. You can't teach an old dog new tricks
Imagine someone guides you through every step of the first turn, and when they ask you how you can apply what you've just seen, you answer: "idk, I was clicking buttons pepega"
You’re not wrong on that impression, many will agree that he just wanted to play the game to hate on it. If you want to try a new game you have to start with an open mind; what Rarran did was: “I don’t like the game, therefore I won’t enjoy it, and thus the game is bad” and with farfa teaching him was exactly the same: “I don’t like the game, therefore if someone tries to explain to me how to play it properly it’s not fun, and thus I don’t give a bs about it.” Farfa explained it detailed but baby games brain is like: “OH! A WINDOW POPPED ASKING SOMETHING, YES IS THE ANSWER!”
Sure, Yugioh is a complex game, but not to the point where you can’t learn Rarran just didn’t want to do it regardless of who was teaching him.
See more than this, as someone who knew how to play yugioh up to synchros and then came back into it with master duel and having no idea how xyz link or pendulum worked. I came back to play blackwings, and before I even played one single game I read all of my cards on the deck builder. Yes it took a little while and I still made misplays, but at least I fucking knew in some way shape or form why I was doing things. This is why his yugioh take pisses me off, he's not wrong about the new player experience but it doesn't even feel like he's trying to help himself. Man should just go back to hearthstone, it's a good game that I also enjoy and I like his content of it.
Not only, he didn't want to learn the game, he was actively sabotaging Farfa's efforts, trying to be "funny" so he wouldn't come out as obviously toxic. Good thing his new favorite game is appropriate to his mental age.
rarran trying desperately to be like BUT WHATS MY WIN CONDITION. WHAT AM I DOING. WHAT AM I WORKING TOWARDS WITH THE DECK while farfa keeps explaining step by step what you want to be doing with the deck WHILE REPEATEDLY NOT EXPLAINING WHY was painful
"why you gotta do this and by doing so will lead you to say to your opponent you aint gonna get to play this round" SIMPLE LOL
thats why salads is hard lol, the win condition is to keep cycling monsters lmao
I never played Salamangreat. From what Farfa is saying the way this deck is winning is through getting more value/outresourcing the opponent?
I played a lot and playing salad is just trying to stop opponent from doing their stuff with all kinds of hand traps, traps and bagooska and if you see that you can finish game with access code you do that and end game. This deck can do a lot of stuff from grave so it can be hard to stop from coming back in some capacity but if you can otk or negate you can stop salads easily. Can be complicated at the beginnning but sooner or later all combos feel super similar and i grow bored with doing same stuff. Also going second with salad can be a painful experience if enemies have good board but it is for most decks i think especially rouge ones@@shyshek_shyshkovic
You can lead a horse to water but...
Yeah
jesus christ, Farfa was patient here. Rarran seemed so unwilling to learn throughout the whole video
That’s pretty much been the story of this entire drama.
yeah, he's so focused on his own thoughs about yugioh that he's never going to enjoy nor learn anything.
Even if you bring Coder, Joshua, MBT or whatever other content creator that has knowledge of the game he would never learn a thing.
@@LynnLynsyeah, he heard somewhere that yugioh is difficult and just refuses to ever learn the game properly to confirm his idea that the game is bad. I mean, its a difficult game, but if you want to learn and put as much time as he has while ACTUALLY trying, its not that hard.
@@jvictorfettI still think it would've been better to change decks to crusadia
@@jvictorfettfrom what i see he WASNT trying, the entire time his face just show i want this to end, and IDK face
Ngl people were absolutely right when they said Rarran simply doesn't like even mild combo; and that's not even a YuGiOh issue
The countless number of random VTubers who decided to pick up Master Duel out of nowhere and end up getting good because they decided learning is fun is such a good contrast when compared against this supposed "vetaran TCG player" who just ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to learn. Really makes you think.
Bro refuses to read and just clicks yes whenever anything pops up on screen and he's a veteran card game player c'mon
I started playing this game because of one of those Vtubers. I'm glad Rosemi introduced me to this game
I don't even know how he got so popular. The guy is an idiot.
It's probably BECAUSE he's a veteran TCG player since Yugioh is so different from every other card game out there which clashes how he expects card games work. And that's ignoring how insane of a learning curve this game has.
@@armedweiss5531 i'm thinking the same thing here. what if those random VTubers startet to pick up Magic or Hearthstone or whatever instead and after that tried to get into yugioh.
Real talk but Rarran is playing other card games and is still "I don't know what I am doing"
I don't know why we keep trying to drag those people into the game. Like, Coder have such a good point, a player who don't read their card in advance (before the match) can never know what the deck do and how to do it. Such player does not have the intention nor the ability to comprehend a game like Yugioh, because again, as Coder said, the game punishes you hard for using the wrong card.
The Point is absolut valid, but some times even if not reading the Cards in adventage, its realy easy to crasp how the Deck works. I copied a Kashtear Deck i looked up online for Masterduel, didnt played the Paper Format the last Years, and only Knew Fenris Search, XYZ Does Funny Field Disabling stuff. It only took me around 2 Min to get how the deck Realy works, what other Win Cons could come up with it, and got up to an 12 Winstreak. But if you just dont Want to try it in the first place, like Rarran did, its an impossible task.
This was painful to read. A beginner won't know what their cards do even if they read it beforehand. This is just the generic gatekeeping bullshit.
Reading cards is good if you are already familiar with the game. For a beginner, it doesn't help much. If it does anything, it's just more confusing.
@@whyler1 “For a beginner, it doesn’t help much. If it does anything, it’s just more confusing”
What you just said is also completely bullshit. The guy clearly did not read Accesscode AND then he ask about the deck’s win condition. If you see a monster that can have 5300 ATK, you should know that it’s your win condition. Clearly reading the card alone is not enough, but not reading it beforehand and then spend a minute reading it, or click random button and shit aren’t so much better. If anything, it’s the worst way to approach it.
@@khiemvu8510 well, you clearly missed the point of the comment I was replying to. So I guess you should read more as well. It's about reading cards before the match, not during the match.
@@whyler1 I was talking about reading the card BEFORE the match.
Guy clearly didn't want to learn to begin with. He has purely done this whole hate on YGO schtick for content and attention. It's worked as a fair few Yugioh streamers have tried to interact with him and teach him.
I have a friend that I taught YGO to over the last year who had prior TCG experience (In his case Magic) and have got him to be fairly competent in the current meta on Master Duel. It can be done, if you are willing to try and learn. I got absolutely none of that vibe from Rarran at all as he didnt want to learn, he just complained that everything sounded complicated.
He doesn't read/comprehend his cards and clicks yes to every pop up
@@LordSteeleCastleClashPsteele68playing like a bot
@@LordSteeleCastleClashPsteele68 I mean yeah imagine playing a new cardgame trying out a combo deck and not getting why you even play x y z cards. Salads is rly just a bad choice I mean 100% of your main deck monsters are materials and 90% of your extradeck are also material and protection. You cant understand the purpose of those cards by reading them. We get them quickly because we know synchro or links combos. It is not new to have a deck full of little extenders no beaters no walls all materials for your extradeck. In HS everything is in your deck. So the first deck should be not that extradeck dependend imo. Something like Monarchs Blue-eyes even DM or maybe even dinos. At least in those decks he can see those big beafy monsters he can summon to beat the oponent. In salads the finisher is 2300atk big. He didnt even know what his win condition was because he saw no real big monster. Ofc we know access is big after his effect but as a new player give me pls a deck where I instantly know what to summon to win. In dinos he would imediatly notice UCT.
@@Pkey995 but he says he's a veteran card gamer so he should understand all this that's why he doesn't read his cards and fully take his time to understand what they do that's my biggest complaint he says he needs to entertain his viewers fine then read and look up the combos on your own time I taught my nephew appliancers and gouki both link decks and coder says he taught his ex salads and she had no prior experience and there's tons of v tubers that play Yu-Gi-Oh now so I don't buy that yugioh is so majorly complicated he's just not trying and being a troll in my opinion for views since that's all he cares about
Edit: even fuslie and sykuno 2 big streamers got into master duel and sykuno was initially scared to play modern decks and I saw him playing punk recently and Leslie won that tournament with her blue eyes deck
@@LordSteeleCastleClashPsteele68 yeah you taught your nephew right? You didnt give him a combo deck and say read the cards you introduced him to the concept of the deck the reason why card a b c are played the goal of the deck right? Thats how it is always done in yugioh and that is my point. Now the deckchoice is important aswell because you dont learn games with complicated strats. You learn all games with simple strats. Even in chess. In hs people always say play mage or hunter not smthing like warlock or priest because the 2 classes are not beginner friendly (at least back then).
Btw make the same video with an absolute chad genius like magnus carlsen he wont get wtf is going on with salads when reading the cards.
I got the impression aswell that he does it bad faith but still I think the deck choice is a big factor. Salads theme is ass the deck is boring to play and the cards looks like shit. Give new players something like blue eyes dm or dinos.
I dont know why you bring those 2 streamers who played like a year? So what?
Rarran gave the same due diligence as a mattress. Dude can't think more than 1 step ahead and he's supposed to be a good card player?
So true... He didn't come in with the intention to want to learn the game... He may be a good player but if you don't want to play the game and try to actually put some thought into it it's really not going to work...
He's a hearthstone player so.
There's no way he's supposed to intuit at least half the stuff he didn't understand though. It's difficult to remember what doesn't come naturally when you learn the game but it's honestly most of it. But yeah his attitude was definitely also a factor.
@@Caleb-zl4wk I agree but once the combo has been explained to him if he had been receptive he should have learned. Or at least been able to spot his mistakes. He wants nothing to do with it he just wants farfa to play for him. At least that's the vibe I got.
I mean in the intro of the vid he looked pretty bored yeah.
Bruh just give up. This guy simply refuses to give Yu-Gi-Oh a chance, it's that simple. I taught some of my friends how to play, all having zero knowledge, and they didn't give me nearly as much trouble as this dude. It's because they were interested and wanted to learn. When you're refusing to learn no amount of coaches can help you. He hears what you say, but doesn't listen nor care. All in all, I wouldn't even consider this as "giving Yu-Gi-Oh a chance".
One thing i find funny about this interaction is the difference between a "two card combo" in the context of YGO and in the context of every other card game, which showcases the "new player unfriendliness" of the game.
In normal cases, a two card combo would be "i play card A, which then allows me to play card B". A basic exanple of it in magic is playing soul warden (whenever a creature enters battlefield, gain a life) and then playing Hallowed Priest (whenever you gain a life, this card gets +1/+1). These card synergize and one boost the other.
In YGO, a two card combo is like "summon card A, then special summon card B with card A, then use both as materials for card C, but then use card C to summon another copy of card C to get card B back which then can be resummoned, allowing you to get card C from the graveyard back, and now youve regained all the resources and have 2 cards on the field". You can see it with how rarran was so confused why he would use a card to summon another copy, since thats not usually something a card game does, and it becomes complicated wheb each card has like 5 abilities that all interact in significantly different ways.
The best explanation of YGO “combos” I’ve seen.
"2 cards combo" means you start with 2 cards in hand and end up with 2 cards in hands, 5 monsters on the field and 3 set cards.
Yes, and that's why yugioh has one card combos. A single card can get you access to 6 other cards that all synergize and have effects when they're sent or summoned. We're talking about a single card that can go lead to a 6 step combo.
he still refuses to learn
A few points i noticed during this video.
1: salamangreat is awful for new players. there are a lot of moving pieces to the deck that don't make for a easy new player experience.
2: if i were a new player id consider playing something like swordsoul. it has very easy combo lines to understand and is strong out of the gate. plus there is a pack for them now and the tenyis are easy to get your hands on. it does require learning 2 mechanics but making a link 1 is relatively easy then synchro summoning is just addition with a extra step.
3: To me, Rarran does show how many new players coming from previous card games struggle getting into yugioh and even someone who isn't familiar with the game. However; having the attitude he did of feeling like its to complicated and not willing to focus on his gameplay did not help his case. yugioh is very complicated game and no where near perfect but it does take time to learn. this isn't a argument saying yugioh is fine by any means but having a good attitude toward the game helps a lot. I hope that this video does go to show that as a community we need to continue pushing for both a positive learning environment and making information for new players more accessible in order to help them become invested in the game. having decks that are simple enough for new players to learn while having success will help a lot. just food for thought.
Great video guys!
It sad that he doesn't have spirit to learn the basic thing in this game
Because it isn't rewarding and "teachers" suck at teaching.
@@rogaldorn4759its because hes farming views and wasnt in it with good faith since his first vid*
At this point i think its best to just leave him, he doesn't even want to learn the game and doesn't even listen to the things farfa said 10 seconds ago
Looking at this vid, makes me realize that as a pretty casual MD player, I guess me getting introduced to Yugioh through early Duel Links was crucial. Where everything I had to worry about was just Wall of D, Equip Cards, Sphere Kuriboh etc, but then I stopped playing.
But still, if not for DL...I don't think I would even play MD at all (or at least not as frequent). With that being said, it FELT like a big jump from DL to MD, but at least I could endure and enjoy it (sometimes) 😂
I think the main problem with both the players and the game its not the text length (which is long, no doubt about it), or the current strong focus on negates and controlling the field. The player's problem is their inability to differentiate between important effects and fluff text, or in other cases, to synthesize the card text into more common terms (using your own words). On the other hand, the problem with the game is that, in order to work with more complex combos, you need to have played a certain amount of duels that, in the end, it's more about understanding keywords rather than "playing".
sorry if there are errors, english it's not my first language.
very lil text in ygo is fluff outside of normal monsters.
the issue is often that text needs ot be like that to remove ambiguity and potential loopholes as some of thegame's most broke ncards became so thru lack of problem solving card text.
Just got into MD. I have been running a shark deck. Obviously requires dust, or luck to get the secret pack. But I found it really easy to play. Haven't played in 19 odd years...
Yeah, the most important thing for a new player in my opinion is to try and find a deck you like for any reason, even if its just style or theme or whatever, and then try to learn that one deck.
Cause once you can play a deck, any deck, no matter which, the rest will slowly come naturally by playing against others.
20:59
Rarran asked "how do you win the game?"
I think Farfa should've just straight be honest here. Rarran, as the first turn player, you win the game by preventing your opponent to play the game by put as much interuption as possible like salamangreat roar & rage
As the 2nd turn player, how do you win the game? Play through your opponent's interruption that they set up on turn 1 and kill them in 1 blow.
Except decks that don’t do that.
He should have just said, "One of the trap cards destroys your opponents cards and the other negates their cards. You recycle those traps until you outgrind them."
Yeah he should've said turn one you're aiming for at least two disruptions to your opponent, every turn after you are trying to outresource them since when they don't have interaction you can very easily clear 2 cards + do enough damage for game.
That's not even close what Salad Is trying to do on the First turn.
The First turn Is literally SURVIVE so you can out grind your opponent in your next turns or kill him
farfa teaching rarraran is great, man
I was laughing so hard when shiny button got clicked just after farfa felt so proud.
"I don't want to give it a genuine chance=the game is bad". If you go into it thinking the game sucks and are unwilling to try, why bother? Farfa, Cimo, and MBT gave Ranch way more time than he deserved.
Has MBT interacted with him?
@@MiyaoMeow588 not directly... I wonder why lol
I would assume MBT just doesn't want anything to do with him, and that's a good mentality. If someone actively wastes somebody else's time, he isn't worth effort or nerves.
they are not stupid, they know this but the attention rarran's video got means everyone gets ot profit off making content on "proving him wrong"
@@Teixas666 I mean, he's wrong about plenty
It truly was yes
Honestly it feels like Rarran is just refusing to learn. He made his video that got him attention, and now he's trying to continue riding that wave for some reason. He's allowed to not like Yugioh, but his whole video was all about "erm I'm not instantly good at this game, therefore it's a horrible mess of a card game," so if he actually learns anything about it, his video kind collapses. He acts so confused about everything even though it's explained to him in very simple sentences even though everything is being broken down in a simpler way than Hearthstone
Im starting to believe that rarran is pretending to not understand. And he also has no notion of trying to learn the game
I love Rarran, been a fan of him for awhile, but god it genuinely feels like he was unwilling to learn the moment the video started. It just seems like he agreed to the video because it's content and it's so obvious how much he doesn't want to be here.
To be fair, he did learn a combo, and retain the information on why we're doing it, but I don't see him ever coming back to the game.
And its not like he has to, he has every right not to like the game. But the longer this goes on and the more he sabotoges actually learning the game just cause its content makes his original (truthful) points about yu gi oh being a hard game to pick up carry less weight over time.
Total newbies have picked up the nuances of yu gi oh faster than him, so its just frustrating watching him click buttons as soon as a pop up comes up as if *any* card game works that way.
i think teaching new players yugi oh should always start with :" did you watch the anime? did you have any favorite cards?"
a big part of tolerating the complexity, is trying to play the cards you liked in your childhood
Yeah, the first thing a new player needs to do is look for a deck that they think is cool. Even if its just the aesthetics or the theme or whatever.
As long as you understand to play *a* deck, *any* deck at all, whichever one, the rest will come naturally.
as a judge best way to return or new players are demon on locals, demos are free, use speed duel pack on general are doesnt have complex combos its like set a card special summon 1 or 2 and thats all, some demos use deck of the anime character plus if u want to buy the pack its easy, one of the best for me is the gx dark ruler with 8 deck for 30 bucks enought for enjoy with friends, its not meta yugi but u can cath the basic easy with demos
It was indeed "yes", one of the moments of a time.
Now the "obvious" thing: Rarran decided to "learn" this time and he learned to read the essential parts, which is currently highlighted yellow. Although, quickly pushing buttons while ignoring some of the highlighted effects "because it has too much text other than the yellowed part" and constantly complaining about not having a Win Condition while in the first turn is truly depressing because of the bad experience people gave to him. He doesn't care, it's either "going first and hoping for the opposing side to surrender" or "going second, barely surrendering with the obnoxious amount of disruptions and establishing a winning board, hoping for either reducing their LP to 0 or the opposing side to surrender".
Rarran's not going back to Yu-Gi-Oh! and that might be good for him. Sad because the game lost another player with potential but for the best, because it seems better to experience something before badmouthing it for the rest of your life and judging anyone that plays or consumes it.
I play a going second icejade deck and I've beaten many meta decks before (purely came out) and I've played through maxx c ash and a barrone its about learning what your deck does and playing to it
if the badmouthing is completely factual and correct does it really matter?
"Sad because the game lost another player with potential but for the best"
If what all the new and upcoming players are gonna do is to be closed minded when claiming to "try and learn" a new experience, then that experience would be better off without them.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz its not though.
i think what Rarran needed was to simplify the effects, something like Debug is key to start cuz it searches for gazelle , he seemed to be overwhelmed by the broadness of what each effect can actually do
Can we all agree that this guy just doesn’t want to learn. I mean that’s cool the game isn’t for everyone.
I mean if he doesn't want to learn then nothing can be done. It's like Distantcoder said he doesn't read his cards before the duel and just clicks yes on everything. There's no need for him to learn the game if he doesn't like it but that's not the games fault just his personal choice not to learn and that's completely fine.
I unironically think Rarran would be best off with an Eldlich deck. It's pretty much Click Yes To Win.
it's just like teaching to children that don't want to learn, you can try to trick them into it, you can try to be patient and shit ( re reading it i realize it can come off as super rude but it's not the goal lol)
but my man was determined to not learn, and nothing you can do about it
it can be fair enough, you don't want to do what you consider "wasting" your time, but he never made a genuine attempt at learning at all, not even in the first video, and at this point the deck he chose didn't even matter
he's on that grind tho (and so is farfa) because it seems like his yugioh content works really well for him, and i respect that lol
What did we learn?
That Yugioh is not for Rarran.
The end.
I honestly think he should've started Master Duel playing Blue Eyes. Its not very good sure but it is VERY simple to get a grasp of some of the basics of yugioh.
Dark Magician is even better, because there is a structure deck for it.
A deck full of beaters is also way more satisfying for beginners :D
I don't think it's a good idea for a beginner to start with decks as bad as Blue Eyes or DM, at least not for beginners that actually want to learn and understand the game. They will just start losing to better decks piloted by people with a simmilar skill level and it will just be a frustrating experience making them think they are bad when the deck is actually the problem.
Something like SwoSwo would be optimal imo. Good enough to still be considered a viable deck, but also braindead enough that the skill floor isn't too high. Kashtira once it has the missing cards might also be a good beginner deck, especially if they don't need to know how to optimally lock zones because Mindhacker is hopefully banned by then.
@@zaifir8119 but then again, you give Rarran a decent at best deck, and he can't even use it with the intention to actually learn and pay attention, because of his refusal to read and set aside his biases, LET ALONE actual good decks with more lines of play and intricacies depending on your opening hands.
Having a deck that loses to itself 80% of the time is a horrible learning experience. You won't understand which losses are your fault and which aren't so you either overly blame yourself or become a league of legends player and deflect blame onto outside factors at all times.
Also again Blue eyes just teaches you 2012 powerlevel yugioh.
Farfa did what he could but Rarran is not even listening like with sending the trap. Farfa explained why and than he asked why he would do that. Rarran he just told you why.
Farfa out here trying his best to teach yugioh to a wall lmao
Been waiting on these guys to do more content together
Same, pleasantly surprised it happened!
This is why I think swordsoul although boring is a great archetype to start yugioh if you are a new player. It's easy competitive and you will learn more about the game as you play along but not get frustrated with the complexity of the game.
Agreed. Fairly powerful with very easy basic plays. If you see Mo Ye or Taiya, you're gucci. And with room to grow if you include the Tenyis and Yang Zings.
MBT had a very good point when he made his reaction to Ranranch's video. You eventually need to get to the point where you intuit what your cards do. When you play the deck enough, you don't even read the whole effect in your head before going, you just know what it does and how to proceed from there. It hurts seeing Rarrrran struggle with the beginning part of yugioh, there are so many easier decks out there to play. I personally think the person who recommended this deck to him sabotaged his understanding of the game, intentional or no. Yugioh is very fun because it's both like a fighting game, and a puzzle all in one. Breaking boards is one of the most satisfying thing in ANY card game. But it's like a fighting game where you just know all of the characters moves, and how they string together in a combo. I know he probably won't play yugioh again after this, he already made up his mind. But His hearthstone content is still top notch, and if that's what it takes for him to enjoy himself, we're just gunna have to let it go. Thanks for trying again ol' Rarry! :)
nah it's pretty clear he never really had any interest, Farfa was more patient than anyone reasonably should've been and Rarran did nothing to try and reciprocate
He's still gonna go "YEP CLICK" and say the game is bad, its so Joever
In my opinion, how I would begin to introduce a new player to yugioh is ask him: "How do you want to win?" or "What kind of aesthetics do you like?"
People naturally settle into a deck if it fits their style of play, because they're already in the mindset for it. If they want to go big body unga bunga, there are several archetypes whose main condition is big bodies beatdown. All they have to choose now is a deck with simpler plays and minimal combos.
Alternatively, some may not know how they want to win, but there are card designs they just click with. If they love dragons, there's a plethora of dragon archetypes fit for most if not all playstyles. Do they like robots? Ancient Gear, Super Quants, Superheavy Samurais, etc.
For Rarran's case, find a similar deck to the ones he likes to play in other games.
Truly a yes moment. Why not teach him U-Link cyberse next?
fuck it just teach him @ignister
Better, make him play Adamancipator or DDD
Even if it's not what you'd call a combo deck I don't think any deck that is entirely reliant on comboing off, especially in a specific manner like Salamangreat, is something that a new player will pick up in any card game even if it's fairly simple. Something that's specifically tailored such that each card can just do its play in a vacuum and specifically restricts your options like Swordsoul and end with a comparable end board even if it's suboptimal is probably easier.
But really instead of just giving a one size fits all deck it's probably better to choose a deck that someone might personally enjoy more. Something with a visual or gameplay idea that the person actually WANTS to learn. One of the unique advantages that Yugioh has over most other card games is the sheer versatility of the gameplay/lore concepts that it has - it's not all just pauldroncore fantasy or anime waifus like a lot of other card games offer although it does offer both of those.
Like if someone barely understands what Vendreads do but find the idea of Resident Evil Spawn cool and can at least understand, "Slayer is the central card and he gets powered up in different ways depending on his ritual materials" they'll be more inclined to stick with it and actually try it out. If someone says "I want to make a giant monster and punch the hell out of my opponent" you can say, "How do you feel about rusted ancient technology? How about big trains? White dragons? Dinosaurs? JRPGs? Demon dragons? Five Nights at Freddy's? Space dragons? Goofy skeletons? Dancing catgirls?" the list could go on just from that single specific deck type.
Yeah, starting someone on a combo deck is rough. My buddy returned to Yu-Gi-Oh after leaving in the gx era. He wanted dragons with a red-eyes specifically. So I helped him build dragon links. Took weeks of friends duels for him to learn it well enough to beat a fairly old blue eyes deck consistently.
Dragon Link isn't a link deck, various builds of it use pretty much every summoning type and it's a quintessential oppressive combo deck. It's hard even for experienced players.
You should've introduced your friend to Red-Eyes ftk at least (assuming he wanted to play casually) or just combo Red-Eyes (Flare Metal turbo/rank 7 toolbox) with some generic tools.
@@kindlingking yeah, it is primarily a link deck though, generally with just a couple synchros in the mix.. Pure Tears (before the recent slap) would still generally be considered a fusion deck even though most run less than half their extra deck as fusions.
He did want a deck that would be meta viable though for once he got it down.
@@captianfail1406 well, if he was willing to dig in regardless of difficulty I can only praise his patience. I was speaking more generally, cause people for some reason like to recommend all these complex combo decks to new players when much simpler although often less powerful decks are available - it's not like the person is attending world championship in a week, we don't have to overcomplicate thing and can start slowly.
Tears were a fusion deck because their best and most important cards were fusions, everything else was up for change. While initially Dragon Link actually involved around Guardragons by this point the deck is a good stuff pile that run pretty much everything that's good. Rokket build getting Borrelend is the closest the deck has to being a link deck, but again, if a new Fusion Borreled but better came out, the deck would ditch the original one and play this new fusion, like when Bystials came out and became an integral part of the strategy. Honestly, Bystial Dragon Link is probably my platonic ideal of the combo deck.
Stop trying to somehow align mechanic and complexity.
Every mechanic has simple decks and decks that jump through a million hoops while halfway ignoring the basic concept of their mechanics.
Dragon Link does some very unorthodox stuff in its combo line and it has a ton of variations depending on your draws including having to think on the fly if you draw into extenders (or garnets) mid combo.
I get the same feeling from Rarran as I do from one of the people I went to Basic with. Absolutely doesn't want to be here, and isn't really trying their best to learn.
The guy in Basic literally failed to climb up a rope against a wall with the entire platoon underneath him pushing him up. He was actively trying to be dead weight. I wasn't exactly fit myself at the time, and it wasn't a super difficult obstacle since you basically get to just walk up the wall, which was demonstrated to everyone beforehand, and the lower half even has some planks sticking out to help you get a starting foothold.
Similarly, there are tons of people trying to help Rarran understand, but he doesn't want to understand at all. He's told a deck is focused on a resource loop, something control decks in other games can use to win by outlasting the opponent (even in Hearthstone), and he still asks what the win condition is. He's told to not just click buttons, and that the effect he's about to activate will be highlighted on the side, yet he refuses to spend a few seconds reading and throws a very simple game because of it.
Farfa didnt tell him the wincon though, he didnt say "outvalue your opponent" he said "cycle your guys" he never said WHY you re cycling guys
As a yugiboomer, Salamangreat was my first modern deck in my life. It was easy to learn. I just kept clicking yes until I figured out what all the cards do.
This is honestly the only way to learn decks. Just sitting down for an hour and reading cards doesnt help. You learn by making the dumbest of mistakes until you stop making them lol. Took me a few failed matches with ancient gear to learn what missing the timing was a few years ago in duel links.
Yeah but Rarran doesn't want to learn it.
He's not incompetent (when he isn't currently raging or tilted) so if he gave a shred of a fuck, he would be able to play yugioh normally by now.
He's already written it off after his very first video and is just kinda going along with people because it gets views.
I learned this game during pendulums format so i know this game is difficult but you learn by playing 1 deck i choose chaos dragons and reading your cards. You dont learn by pressing buttons and not understanding what you did. I could do the same at MTG and claim the game is bad.
I have to say, Farfa is a really good teacher, specially considering how unwilling to learn Raranch is. Well done.
Fr man. He seems so against learning the game. I understand not having coaches, makes perfect sense, but he just doesn't CARE to learn the deck or the game and then blames the game itself. Yugioh is not newplayer friendly but he just shits on the game itself instead of trying to learn.
To be fair he's just pretty fucking stupid that's all there is to it lol. Farfa did all he could.
@@lordgrub12345 Kinda reminds of all those people who called FFXIV a weeb game and it's not for me. LOL
@@ArmageddonEvil I don't think those two are comparable at all.
@@ArmageddonEviltbf, ff14 is the hearthstone of MMO's. Ygo would be Star wars galaxies or smth xD
Yeah we all agree that this game is difficult to get in, but we can also agree on the fact that it is especially if you get in with the exact mindset of "bruh this game's hard". Obviously I'm not saying that it isn't hard to get in, but you should definitely help yourself if you really want to learn. Also, i wanted to comment on something MBT said in his video on this topic. No, it's not absurd to say that this game is not for everyone. There are people like us willing to read pages of card texts and rulings as well as other who are not. For example I had quite an easy time learning yu gi oh last year, while at the same time i still haven't learned how to play Pokémon despite trying for the last 10 years. The game is just not for me as yu gi oh isn't for every other person on this planet. It's clear that ram ranch is probably not a yu gi oh player, for a hundred different reasons, and that's fine. Just because a creator can't get into a game it doesn't mean it's ass.
except that’s his take on it, he doesn’t want or learn the game but still believes he has a valid opinion despite actively sabotaging his time with the game
yes but raran just refuse to learn, i play yugi magic, pokemon and still dont get it on pokemon XD, but i cant blame pokemon for that, raran blame yugi for be well yugi XD, but hi try eddison and was more appeeling to him, maybe he just have short atention rate, for me personal i stop play yugi on 2011 and i was a judge on 2011 and back like a month ago retake the test score 85 on both, and the first weak was hard to learn but latter its was just oohh its easy its complex yes but the combos are like a flowchart but u need to learn when use handtraps for disrupt the deck, still i dont play with unknown deck on locals cause i dont know the breakpoints but people on locals are cool and teach me the breakpoints of their decks well no all are some guys who are toxic XD but mostly are good people
I'm sorry for being negative but raran just doesnt care or give a fck about ygo anymore, just look at his entire reaction like he just wanna this to end quickly, i know from the start he doesnt enjoy ygo from his first impression and after debate and everything he still doesnt like it, so why bother make him like it anymore?
But nice try tho i appreciate it
Oof. It's clear that Rarran has made up his mind on this game. Once someone gets into the mindset that something is not for them and is too difficult it just becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I will say that I don't think link decks are a good starter deck. I personally find that mechanic can lead to a bunch of "I clicked a bunch of buttons but I don't think my board got better" situations.
What decks do you think are good starters then?
i think sky strikers a good starting deck honestly im kinda sad they didnt say maybe it was combo wasnt his playstyle or something maybe a more controlled playstyle might have geld better
@@caellanmurphy4751I don’t think sky striker is a good starter honestly, control decks typically need to know what to destroy or negate to counter the opponents like where or what is the opponent’s choke point for example to be able to effectively do their thing and newer players probably won’t be able to grasp some unintuitive plays like sending a spell to grave with hayate to add it back with kagari
if I were to pick a good starter it’d be soemthing with simple straight forward plays/combos and wincon is just a generic beat down strat
@@israeldelarosa5461 In my experience XYZs deck are the absolute best, give someone a simple deck that focuses on special summoning level 4s and a rank 4 tool box with a variety of monsters you can make depending on the situation and board state. After a couple games they will figure out on their own on what to make like "oh my opponent set a monster facedown and didnt set any spells or traps at 2000 LP if I make malevolent sin I can banish and hit for game" for example.
honestly i think Live Twins can be a nice starter deck as the combo line is very linear and very hard to mess up truly due to their effects that for the most part mitigate such mistakes while also having room in the deck for handtraps,spells and traps to stop your opponent from getting as out of control and kinda learning how those work as well.
Why did he gave his opinion on the game seriously... He is obviously unwilling to learn anything.
everyone trys teaching him all the combo decks im betting he would have alot more fun with a simple stun deck set 5 pass LETS GO!
Hot take: New players are better off using floodgate based decks. I'd recommend True Draco Stun. Simple tribute summon mechanics, removal and lockdowns accompanied by beatsticks. No extra deck required. Remember it's a starting point.
Agreed, after a 4 years break I mained Eldlich so I could focus on understanding what the other decks were doing. Still with everything crunched into the first 3 turns the game has become completely abstract to new players who haven't memorized all the mechanics of a turn or chain (and how some cards abuse them for advantage) or even how to parse PSCT.
Honestly at this point after that 'first taste' of Yu-Gi-Oh i doubt Rarran will ever learn this game. The man has already developed a "it's bad"/'i don't or can't like it" mentality.
Something that at least made me really want to play the game was the animes and seeing them in chronological order made understanding a lot of the basic mechanics of the game easier, stuff like Fusion summon (Orginal+GX), Synchro Summon (5d's), XYZ (Zexal), Pendulum (Arc-V) and link summon (vrains) are explained to death on the shows with visual aids.
I think people forget that the tranding card game was born because of the anime and how it made people want to play this crazy combo heavy card game. Really while writing this commend i was remembering stuff like 5d's last duel where Yusei just summons all of the synchro ace monsters and Arc-V two last fights (Arc vs EVERYONE and Yuya vs Akaba) that plus the explanation of the game basic mechanics make getting into Yu-Gi-Oh way easier.
Now for those that maybe are thinking: "oh so i need to watch 6 entire shows to learn how to play this game?!" and the answer is no, you can absolutelly learn without seeing all of the animes but that will require you to sit and search how to play the game because most official tutorials sucks ( which is a very fair point ) and Rarran has already made explicitlly clear that he doesn't want to sit and learn how to play a game, he wants to go and play and expects the game to just teach it self something that is a bit harder in Yu-Gi-Oh because of how it works nowadays with archtype decks being made to work with 'engines'.
Well unfortunately lil' Rarran has already tasted being trashed by Rikka (the real villain of this story XD) and will most likely never recover. R.I.P
Straight up, he just does not want to learn. Nothing about this is that hard. I started playing competitively with salamangreat.
nah cause he fr just is not listening
@@dudezrandom7544he's just not reading
Yeah he absolutely was phoning it in, Salad honestly is a great deck for beginners since the skill floor dropped a ton after the access/update jammer combo was added.
@@LordSteeleCastleClashPsteele68 so he's your average YGO player.
You can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn
idk why Rarran keeps agreeing to this when he clearly doesn't care for this game outside of the 1 vid he makes, which I totally agree with cause the new player experience of this game is just batshit insane
I thought his vid with Cimo would be the last one and would be a nice send off for "see, the game used to be this simple over 10 years ago"
Especially cause at this point he just seems tuned out from actually learning. Like he clearly tried his best by himself and yu gi oh's nee player experience *is* absolute dogshit, but when yoy have people holding your hand through it and you're still not bothering to stop the impulse of "just click on everything" it's obvious he's just sabotaging his own learning at this point.
Like its not that he can't learn the game at all, at this point its obvious he doesn't want to, which is perfectly valid, but going through the motions like this for content isn't making anyone look good lmfao
Of course it would be batshit insane when you admit to not reading your cards and learning what they do or learnining the rules. Which Raran did do in that video. It’s less the game is batshit and more the fact that he did not bother to learn.
The game teaches you fine. Could it be better? Yes.
Probably the best thing they could do is split the solo modes into complexity levels so it’s clear which decks are easy to learn
I love this game and i really like we are trying to teach this guy the game we love but... man, he already tried, he does not like it and it just hurts to see him, just leave him alone. It's unlucky we lost a player but no much we can do.
Better video title: farfa teaching a stone how to walk
Rarran is kinda proof that yes, Good reading comprehension skills and a modicom of patience and positive reinforcement when being taught are somewhat required to play yugioh >_
Why we even trying. Raran made his yugioh video on the idea to hate on it and say its a bad game. You cant help someone who is not willing to learn and thinks the game is bad before he even played it
Yea, its very clear despite playing for many hours and being coached by at least 2 other veterans he still has learned nothing. The "idk I just hit buttons" is so frustrating because people keep telling him to learn what his cards actually say and do but he still doesn't. So either he isn't making a real effort to learn or he is actually too braindead to learn yugioh.
you'll be surprised at how brainded some people can be and is still blaming yugioh itself for this
At this point I don't even know if he still wants to learn the game. He's like how many videos and hours in on trying to learn it, you'd expect him to somehow be able to get the hint that majority of the game requires patience, but no.
I'm not trying to shit on him, but he's fully aware that he HAS to read them cards considering how much rambling he's made about how long they are, yet he still doesn't (want to) do it.
25:33 Dude still found a way to screw up the Accesscode OTK
Also learning with Salamangreat and Farfa isn't this best option
Rarran has just got a shit eating grin, every time when Farfa tries to explain something. It’s just off putting. I give props to Farfa for being patient and not losing his shit.
"Maybe I'm just stupid" Thank you for saying it.
This dudes biggest problem is just hitting Yes on things without even knowing what they do. That is THE quickest way to screw yourself over in YGO
He should've been given an Eldlich deck. Click Yes To Win.
@@MansMan42069 you're correct but I'm still booing you
@@novaausakura5898 By all means, bro. I'd boo myself for even suggesting Eldlich.
To be honest if Rarran had actually wanted to learn Yu-Gi-Oh and not gone into that first stream basically expecting to hate it he would have learned almost all of the game and combo lines for Salamangreat by now. If you are familiar with card games in general it doesn't take that long to learn, 10 hours is enough to have a working understanding.
I know, I came to modern ygo when amster duel came out, I didn't want to learn long combos and asked the community about it, they tricked me into playing sky striker (no, i dont have to learn long combos for my deck, but I have to learn the long combos for every other deck to find and interrupt the choke points) , and I was plat after 2 weeks of playing, so if I could do it someone who reached legend in HS could learn as well, but no the win condition part of exhausting your opponent's reosurces, a common strategy in hearthstone went over his head because tilted and salty
Exactly
I started Master Duel after years of no yugioh content. Went through the beginner duels picked up the fusion deck did some research and built a blue eyes deck. I took me two weeks to get to Plat 3.
My point being If I can do it without ever touching a card game then he can do it having pre knowledge how card games work
Never did I ever think it was possible to watch someone actively fight the idea of learning a game. I also never thought it was possible to witness the absence of thinking, yet here we are. Rarran should just be left out of YGO. He clearly will never like or even bother learning the game, so as a community we should move on.
Well isn’t that inviting. Just get rid of him because he’s struggling. He’s being taught with a complicated deck, when he needs to learn the basica
@@ericmay560no it’s pretty obvious he doesn’t want to learn. Like Farfa actually does a pretty good job at explaining but the dude straight up acts like he doesn’t understand the words he’s using.
This is for content nothing else
@@ericmay560 you can't be inviting to someone who clearly doesn't want to be involved.
@@ericmay560He straight up doesn't read his cards, clicks yes to everything, doesn't have any good end board, sabotauges himself, and then complains that his opponent is destroying him.
If hearthstone just had a button to discard your whole hand, and I press that button and complain that the game is too complicated, then I'm rightfully an idiot.
Mans asked a trillion times and is told we’ll get to it later. Expecting a new player to be given a novel for a “simple combo line” is ridiculous and I don’t blame him for being so out of it. He’s just the average player trying to learn while the dwindling player base laughs as their game dies.
This rarran guy didn't even try the other solo gates, no wonder he doesn't know what he's doing
I don't know if Rarran has ADHD or not, but it genuinly looked like he tried his hardest to tilt Farfa off the face of the earth and get on nerves of people watching to prove a point that Yugioh is a bad game. Seeing the coaching session being scheduled, I was hyped, because I thought he would give Yugioh another chance and try to understand the game instead of learning one deck and then hitting ranked with another. Sadly, it was hard to watch and I'm really impressed that Farfa didn't just politely turn him out. I get it, it's a hard game compared to "summon 1/1 minion, pass", but with so much effort put into his "education" by both Cimo and Farfa, he still couldn't rememeber half the things he was told. Like, I've never hit any high rank in any card game and play Yugioh for fun, because it's the only card game that is enjoyable and understandable to me (shocking, I know), but when I get a new deck I've never piloted before, it takes me maybe 3-4 tries to learn a starting combo. Salamangreat isn't the easiest of decks, chat should probably suggest him Swordsouls or even Dragonmaids with a Bystial engine, but after 5 hours of gameplay alone and coaching session, he should learn the basics. Of course, unless he wanted to dump all effort put into learning into the bin the second he goes offline. Is my opinion "toxic and offensive" as Rarran summarized Yugioh community after getting, like 5-6 negative comments out of 150+ under Cimo collab? I dunno, but it's sad that this guy became the image of a "new Yugioh player".
Coder I think said it best this guy went into it knowing he wasn't gonna like it and wasn't actively trying to learn what his cards did.
Couldn’t have said it better. This video was rough it actually annoyed me listening to him. Shut up and absorb the information given to you instead of asking “How do I end this game I just started” the entire time
@@basica645if rarran was hiding his toxic attitude in any way then this video is the 1 where he took off the mask, i reckoned the game design diploma he keeps mentioning to shove off claims about him not understanding tcg is actually fake
I don’t know anything about him. This wasn’t a great first impression tho. Definitely gonna avoid content with him tho
@@basica645 oh yeah, im referring to another video where iirc he mentioned something about having a game design it was it game developer diploma and used that as evident that his issue with yugioh being too hard wasnt on him but an issue with the game itself
overall this is like his 4th time trying yugioh, first attempt was with MD several months ago where he did a lot better, 2nd attempt was a couple weeks ago that started all this controversy with the video titled I played yugioh to prove how ridiculous it is where he did shit like spend 40m on tutorial and solo mode (doesnt even finish tutorial either) only to drop his entire hand for 2 kitchen dragonmaid and proclaim he did a very good first turn against his first live opponent (also uses this very play of his as evident of yugioh being ridiculous) only to proceed to get 1 of his 2 kitchen’s effect negated and atk changed to 0 on the opponents turn but then on BP he activated the negated kitchen…
in same video he watches the first listed world’s match with the adamancipator player and uses it as evident of yugioh being a bad game because the opponent couldnt play the game against an adam negate board despite having dropped 3 disruption onto the adam player with the 3rd actually choking him until he insanely drew into block dragon
then spends 40m building salad, going over the cards and even watching a 55s short on salad just to fumble all his plays because he couldnt be bother to remember even the tiniest synergy the deck has and he did all this while refusing any sort of help because he wants a genuine new player experience (yet was perfectly fine letting his chat guide him)
even in his 3rd attempt with cimo playing edison on duelingbook he doesnt bother to read his cards 80% of the time, forgets even rudimentary mechanics like normal summon and early into the video he asked cimo what “set” was because he read snowman eater but then proceeds to click the button to special summon it in defense and then proceeded to only press the special summmon atk/def button for the entire video
4th and hopefully final attempt was this video
guy’s a clown
Recommending Salamangreat to a new player in Yugioh is like recommending Qiyana to new League of Legend players.
Either you are dumb, trolling your friend, or trying to give the person a bad time out of spite.
Yes, yugioh is hard to get into these days But Ranran doesn’t care to learn the game in the first place so… 🤷🏾♂️
He spent 5 hours straight caring to learn the game, it was literally impossible to progress. At this point he's more than earned his dislike of the game.
@@pakman184He doesn't need to earn the right to dislike it.
He can just dislike it for no reason, that's allowed.
But let's not pretend he actually tried to learn it.
Even in his first video, he clearly went in with the expectation of it being too complicated so why learn it in the first place.
His ass was clicking random buttons for hours with not a single comprehensive thought behind any action.
@skeletonwar4445 Clearly you did not watch any of his first video or the stream it was taken from. He actively followed the tutorials, learned the core mechanics, and then found out that they're 90% irrelevant. Nobody was normal summoning, games lasted a couple turns at most, and even the "bad" decks he was facing were filled with combos that he had no clue how they functioned. He event spent half an hour watching tutorials on how to play a deck the Chat recommended, which barely increased his odds more than 50/50 because the game didn't give any information to play reactively.
@@pakman184 Oh I don't blame him for not learning shit from the ingame tutorials, those are atrocious and any yugioh player that isn't being willfully ignorant will agree on how absolutely ass they are.
Konami needs to get off their fucking ass and implement comprehensive tutorials and *especially* rework the starter decks.
They don't need to be perfect meta contenders or anything, but they should at least be playable out the gate without embarassing yourself, which sadly isn't the case right now.
The current starter decks are some of the worst shit you could possibly be playing outside of literally trolling with a non-functional deck, it's insane that this shit went past quality control.
What I *do* blame him for is not learning shit after getting word for word, step by step guides on it.
The man isn't a baby, he's a competent TCG player when he isn't refusing to learn, that's how I know he's not trying.
If he can be the highest ranked HS player in america, he can understand a basic ass resource loop.
Yes, he didn't know what his opponents' decks did.
That's a reality of every single tcg at the start ever.
I don't see how that's even a point anyone sane would ever make.
"Nobody was normal summoning" is just *objectively* incorrect.
Sure, not every single deck relies on its normal summon as the entire lynchpin of the deck (although a lot still do) but even decks that don't rely on it entirely still _massively_ benefit from their normal summon, so that's always a good point for interaction to start even if you have no idea what they're doing.
There are maybe like 3 or 4 viable decks that realistically forgo their normal summon entirely in favor of something else, and one of those wasn't even implemented in Master Duel at the time of his video.
@@pakman184 And clearly Rarran was not bothering to learn. He already set out to prove a point. That coloured his experience and came off as dishonest.
Recently had two friends that wanted to play yu gi oh again so i recommended them duel master. One of the friends wasn't that hard to teach cause they used to play yu gi oh and had a deck in mind they wanted to play. The other one was alot harder to teach cause imo i can only teach him the basics, they gotta find a deck and learn it themselves. In the end the friend that was harder to teach found a deck he liked and now understands how the game works more now. Imo if you're new to yugioh, i recommend that you find a deck that peaks your interest first before learning the game. By learning the deck you'll eventually learn the game.
Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet but you're supposed build your deck around a boss card (usually a monster or several). I feel as though to get a new player to understand the game better is to explain the utility of the deck's boss monster (or monsters) first and THEN review the main combo line to get to that boss monster. That way the new player knows the point of the deck and tries their hardest to bring that boss monster out. Obviously there will be a lot of reading but it will be a lot easier for the player to understand what they're reading once they know the point of the deck. Once they get comfortable with the base combos of a deck then they can add an engine or two to help with extra variety.
you're not supposed to build your deck around a boss card, you're supposed to build your deck around a wincon which just so happens to be a boss card in like 70% of decks. and that's the problem, not only does this mean that a lot of decks you could be playing can't be built like you said, but also, you can't get a read of your opponent's wincon until you see them achieve it at least once (if not several times, depending on how many lines their deck has.) this makes things frustrating for new players because even if they can build a deck with a clear wincon, they can't always deal with opponents' decks if they're not familiar with those decks' wincons and how their engines work to achieve that.
like, here are examples that you will run into on MD right now that don't have boss monsters. labrynth's wincon isn't lovely or lady, though, it's flipping floodgates and/or popping/bouncing the opponent's field and then swinging for game with whatever you happen to have on board. traptrix is similar but replace bouncing with banishing or flipping face down. spright's wincon isn't gigantic, nor is it avramaxx or white woman or the live twin stuff or melffy stuff or anything like that, spright's wincon changes depending on the MU and its strength is its ability to put up multiple forms of disruption, preventing the opponent from breaking their board, and eventually attack for game with _maybe_ one of those aforementioned monsters but mostly with smaller monsters. runick's wincon isn't any of their monsters, it's deckout; the spright and naturia variants do have more conventional boss monster wincons, but the pure runick and kashtira variants are deckout focused, with the kash variant having attacking for game only as a backup wincon. floo's wincon is attacking for game, but its "boss monsters" are extenders, disruption, or board breakers that just happen to have high atk. (and its wincon used to just be barrier statue. also, this is nothing to say nothing of their stupid continuous and field spells. "your turn, no, our turn.")
and these are just three decks that are meta or rogue right now. there's all sorts of stun decks like anything running inspecter boarder and pachy, true draco or any other tribute strat running that one annoying monarch trap i forget the name of, etc. there are all sorts of solitaire/ftk decks. hell you might even run into some weird control strat like pacifis where their "boss monster" is a f'n token.
it's really daunting for new players to have to understand what the opponent is going for when it's not simply a big boss monsster. i actually think tier 0 formats are way better for learning the game because you can learn how game mechanics work and how to not play into your opponent's disruptions/overextend, while also knowing that anywhere from 60 to 90% of the time you're gonna be fighting the mirror match. getting ramranch to play edison was a bad idea because that format is super diverse. he'd be better off learning how to play yugioh in, like, dragon ruler format. or maybe even tear 0 format. well not that he cares to, but maybe new players who actually want to learn should consider it.
this is not entirely right.
you only build your deck around a " boss" if the deck's win condition require it.
what you do is build your deck toward a gameplan and the desired boardstate to see that gameplan come ot fruition
ie: for salamangreat your main goal is establishing the resource loop of the archtype so that whe nyou are finally ready to go for the kill you can get the cards on board to end it. Accesscode Talker is the simplest means of achieving this but its not their only "boss" that leads to a viable win condition.
@@Teixas666 its still better to explain it that way, a wincon is abstract, someone new will understand the concept but saying "we have "X" boss monsters that we want out on the field" is easier to explain, and going from "this is what we want and what this does" to "this is how we achieve this" backwards is also easier
@@weberman173Yeah that's why we should direct beginners to decks that are simple to understand and don't have long combos.
Salamangreat is neither of those things.
long combos are fine, as long sa they are simple, it just needs a clear and simple end board.
Salamangreats endboard isn't simple or really "clear"(yes it has cards it wants, but it more to get the loop going which is "vague" again)@@skeletonwar4445
Yu-Gi-Oh definitely isn't for everyone. It is complicated, convoluted, and fast. I however love that about Yu-Gi-Oh, I mean most of the other games copy each other to varying degrees, while Yu-Gi-Oh shamelessly embraces it's unique form of nonsense. I'd say it's the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure of card games... but it's an anime too...
just so we are all on the same page. Rarran is not really a "new players experience" right?
Someone whos actually new, and is interested in getting into the game is already 10x more motivated than this dude.
If the barrier to entry is comprehension what can you do. Its a complicated game not rocket science
This dudes apparently a good card game player also. If he was completely new to card games I'd understand. But when all card games typically have similar features it shouldn't take so long to learn 1 combo.
a new player wouldnt spend 40min in a tutorial and solo mode only to drop his entire hand for 2 kitchen dragonmaids, this clown is only emulating a "new player's experience" and too many people is giving him the benefit of the doubt
These videos has clearly proven that Raran is in fact the problem. He never wanted to learn to begin with. He was already in the mindset of "The game is bad" when he made that first video. He made it for content and that was it. Everyone has honestly been more than generous trying to give him the time of day to help him and he's just not even trying to retain the information. Is the game hard to learn? Yes. But for someone of his skill level a HIGH RANKING Hearthstone player it shouldnt be as difficult as he's making it to learn. We've seen countless vtubers pick up master duel and learn in 2-3 sessions or even one if the game clicked with them. It just really grinds my gears that hes making it much more difficult than it ever had to be simply because he jumped in with the mindset "I dont want to learn so the game is bad."
Admittedly the chat did fuck him over with Salads but still, he could have asked an actual Yugioh player what a good deck for beginners is but "muh no coaching unless it's chat doing it" prevented all that.
I agree though on that part with Vtubers, if people are willing to stick by and learn, you get the hang of things rather quickly especially with the right decks like Swordsoul and Flunder which any beginner could pilot effectively since they basically autoplay themselves.
Genuinely though, this guy should just shut up about Yugioh and not do videos about it if he hates it so much, literally no point in fueling a fire you yourself made.
Yeah. To be honest I wouldn't mind him just being "this game suuuucks lulll" and I'd just not engage with his content ever again. THE ISSUE for me is seeing two pretty competent and kind yugitubers (Farfa and Cimo) try and teach him. Either they had to get to his level of the bit and teach him the most complicated decks ever for the funny content or Raran had to actually put in the effort and try to learn. Because what we're left with is the equivalent of a nice, kind instructor teaching a music instrument to a kid with his arms crossed and pouting because "It's too hard I wanna be a rockstar immediately". It's just a bit too awkward to watch through
I agree. Watched his entire unedited 6 hour livestream of yugioh and can say that he went into the game fully expecting to not like it based on things he heard about the game which he never even experienced for himself
It's obvious that rarran has a bias against the game and keeps finding excuses to dislike it when in reality he just refuses to sit down and properly learn the game, the fact that he's so much against the idea of people teaching him the basics is INSANE, most people who start any card game will have an easier time learning by playing with someone who actually knows the game, but rarran thinks that bashing his head against the wall will somehow teach him how to play in the first 10 minutes of starting
@@MrGshinobi rarran: cardgames are pvp, playing solo is dumb. Also rarran: i wanna learn every cardgame alone. As someone who teached MTG to literal crackheads, this man is just insane...
I feel like Rarran is either clearly done with yugioh and doesn't want to even try or he's just a little slow.
Rarran had no idea what he was doing or why
all he did was memorize a sequence of cards
i think this was a good example of what not to do when teaching a player Yu-Gi-Oh